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Skateboarding => Skate Questions => Topic started by: Spicy boi. on September 02, 2017, 12:35:28 AM
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Frontside 50-50's just piss me the fuck off. My front shoulder just won't stop turning so i always end up in a shitty front feeble on a ledge. Anyone else have basic tricks that just piss them off to no end?
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pop shuvits, had em real good when i was just starting, then a broke my ankle and have never been able to do a decent one since
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kickflip.
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kickflip.
Yes, regular kickflips on flat are the worst! I can do them pretty well off bumps and in banks and I can do them well fakie. When I do them on flat they are always real shitty or don't work at all.
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frontside shove-its and nollie heels aren't my friends
backside grinds too, but they magically work with a flip in
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kickflip.
same, mine all always front foot caught and shitty
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Most ledge/rail tricks. I've had some weird nerve pain in my knee which makes it a lot more work to pop tricks, and that translate to feeling less in control so I just get freaked out. It's real frustrating.
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Frontside 50-50's just piss me the fuck off. My front shoulder just won't stop turning so i always end up in a shitty front feeble on a ledge. Anyone else have basic tricks that just piss them off to no end?
when I first learned em the trick for me was to focus on locking in that front truck first, and then shifting the back truck on after. that being said, the front truck slipping out of 5050s is a known troublemaker.
same, mine all always front foot caught and shitty
I'm convinced regular kickflips are the hardest flip trick. I bail em in pretty much every game of skate, but have no problem doing "harder" flip tricks first try - tre flips, nollie flips, switch heels, you name it. drives me crazy.
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I keep thinking I can feeble ledges.
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Pop shoves, heelflips and bs feeble grinds will forever baffle me.
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backside and frontside axle stalls/grinds on any kind of real transition. Think its cause when I was a kid I just learned bs feeble stalls and fs five-0 grinds and skipped learning axle stalls/grinds. So now they feel awkward trying to get up on them and not think about overshooting onto the deck. I'll frontside disaster or tailside some bowl before axle grinding it and its so dumb
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Back D on transition. I mean, they're more like 2nd level basic but I can't even bail one the right way.
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Fakie is fine, but anything switch or nollie, phew.
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Kickflips and I have an everlasting troublesome relationship. I'll have points where I can do them into grinds, over relatively high objects, and incredibly consistent. To one day not being able to do them well for months on end.
Fucking hate kickflips.
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Almost 15 years of skating clocked in and I'm still trying to do nose manuals
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I don't think I'll ever do a switch or nollie heel flip.
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I could never figure out flip tricks, but that doesn't really bother me. I love transition and going fast, long grinds, manuals and bombing hills. I just wish I could get over my fear of frontside grinds. Even on the smallest quarter pipe all I can do is a frontside slash. I can't hold onto a 5-0 and keep it going or else it freaks me out. A nice long frontside grind is one of the coolest tricks in skateboarding, especially on pool coping. Only in dreams...
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kickflips are hit or miss, same for nollie flips
3flips are driving me nuts lately and I used to do them fine.
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fs shuv...
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Nollie flip, switch flip.
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Ollieing up curbs backside. Last time I tried while cruising down the street I hung up and my board got ran over by a car.
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nollie flip
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fakie heelflip.
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fakie heelflip.
Oh fucking god just stop!
The absolute ultimate assknife trick in existence! I used to have these on lock until "the incident". I was just the right height at the time where I got stabbed a solid inch deep in the taint, and no doubt I was left bloody and violated.
Nowadays when I try them I just automatically turn backside (no pun intended).
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It's a switch nollie heel.....
Back 50-50's on street are hard for me....and actually on ramp too....I'm a fakie rock/tail stall guy.....
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fs shuv...
This! Never done one I've been happy with.
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frontside flips used to work just fine till the very day i eventually learned switch frontside flips. for one day i thought i was cool throwing both back to back on flat mid line, then as soon as the next day after that the regular ones were completely gone for no legitimate reason. to this day i can still do both, but regular f/s flip remains a pain in the ass whereas the switch counterpart is a walk in the park.
many basic b/s ledge tricks still feel awkward to this day due to never really giving a shit about them - or not even having a proper ledge to learn them on - growing up. been working on that because now i think they look the best, but it's hard to shed off 15+ years of bad habits
also kickflip nosewheelie is a fairly basic one i've always seen people do like they're nothing, and as a kid i remember thinking it was one of the coolest tricks, but i couldn't learn it back then because i had chicken foot mobbed kickflips which just wouldn't function. nowadays i feel like i could finally learn it, but i'm missing a good manny pad for that. or maybe i just need to get off my ass, find a random curb and nerd out on them for a solid two hours...
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kickflips and fs shove its
since i fucked up my flick foot's ankle (1998) i have not landed a single kickflip that was not kebab/rocket so no chance to learn flip crooks or flip nosewheelies or flip noseslides.
with fs shuvs its different. I can pop them pretty-pretty-high (for my level) but they are always uncontrolled and a hazard for my board and I have never been able to do one into a 5-o or a nosegrind. No control whatsoever, just pop and pray. I think I cannot do that thing when the board goes kind of in front of you like it would for a fs shove it fs five oh but working on it.
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with fs shuvs its different. I can pop them pretty-pretty-high (for my level) but they are always uncontrolled and a hazard for my board and I have never been able to do one into a 5-o or a nosegrind. No control whatsoever, just pop and pray. I think I cannot do that thing when the board goes kind of in front of you like it would for a fs shove it fs five oh but working on it.
i can do my f/s shoves like that, sort of ; just popping straight down really hard on the tail (sheer brute force) with barely any shove-it type of motion instantly results, for me, in a two-feet high flatground f/s pop shove that just meets the front foot at the peak (if not before the peak) of the jump (it's one of the tricks i can pop the best, and i really only do them on flatground or out of manuals). now that sounds (and feels) really nice except the consistency comes and goes with every new deck i set up, depending on the shape ; on certain decks (we're talking a good 50% ratio) my toes will catch the board first and accidentally start late flipping it, which i never seem able to foresee (turning the whole adventure into a pop and pray thing too) and consequently regularly results in hitting the worst, most violent flatground primos. for that reason alone i swear i dread the first f/s shove(s) that come(s) with every time i need to touch my set-up.
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with fs shuvs its different. I can pop them pretty-pretty-high (for my level) but they are always uncontrolled and a hazard for my board and I have never been able to do one into a 5-o or a nosegrind. No control whatsoever, just pop and pray. I think I cannot do that thing when the board goes kind of in front of you like it would for a fs shove it fs five oh but working on it.
i can do my f/s shoves like that, sort of ; just popping straight down really hard on the tail (sheer brute force) with barely any shove-it type of motion instantly results, for me, in a two-feet high flatground f/s pop shove that just meets the front foot at the peak (if not before the peak) of the jump (it's one of the tricks i can pop the best, and i really only do them on flatground or out of manuals). now that sounds (and feels) really nice except the consistency comes and goes with every new deck i set up, depending on the shape ; on certain decks (we're talking a good 50% ratio) my toes will catch the board first and accidentally start late flipping it, which i never seem able to foresee (turning the whole adventure into a pop and pray thing too) and consequently regularly results in hitting the worst, most violent flatground primos. for that reason alone i swear i dread the first f/s shove(s) that come(s) with every time i need to touch my set-up.
a friend i regularly skate with does them perfect, even into fs tailslides! he tried to teach me numerous times but to no avail. I guess its my back foot that out of habit pops crooked and in a direction that favors bs shove its. I could work on it more but the tax on boards is crazy- I break or at least crack one deck every time i session fs shove its on flat.
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kickflips and fs shove its
since i fucked up my flick foot's ankle (1998) i have not landed a single kickflip that was not kebab/rocket so no chance to learn flip crooks or flip nosewheelies or flip noseslides.
with fs shuvs its different. I can pop them pretty-pretty-high (for my level) but they are always uncontrolled and a hazard for my board and I have never been able to do one into a 5-o or a nosegrind. No control whatsoever, just pop and pray. I think I cannot do that thing when the board goes kind of in front of you like it would for a fs shove it fs five oh but working on it.
I know every ankle and injury is different so what worked for me might not work for you, but I royally fucked my flick foot up in the 90s as well and had total dog shit kickflips for the next like 13 years. I had to not do them for a long time and then start over with them and totally rethink what my body was doing. For all those years I kept kickflipping off of muscle memory like I always did and it would get so frustrating. My flat ground ones are still hit or miss but I can get them into nose and tail slides, and 5050s and 50s and I'm old so I'm sure you can too.
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kickflips and fs shove its
since i fucked up my flick foot's ankle (1998) i have not landed a single kickflip that was not kebab/rocket so no chance to learn flip crooks or flip nosewheelies or flip noseslides.
with fs shuvs its different. I can pop them pretty-pretty-high (for my level) but they are always uncontrolled and a hazard for my board and I have never been able to do one into a 5-o or a nosegrind. No control whatsoever, just pop and pray. I think I cannot do that thing when the board goes kind of in front of you like it would for a fs shove it fs five oh but working on it.
I know every ankle and injury is different so what worked for me might not work for you, but I royally fucked my flick foot up in the 90s as well and had total dog shit kickflips for the next like 13 years. I had to not do them for a long time and then start over with them and totally rethink what my body was doing. For all those years I kept kickflipping off of muscle memory like I always did and it would get so frustrating. My flat ground ones are still hit or miss but I can get them into nose and tail slides, and 5050s and 50s and I'm old so I'm sure you can too.
I keep blaming my ankle but deep inside i know i nust have to man up and re learn them. It will be my goal before i reach 40. Then film flip crooks for a birthday clip, 40 of them :)
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BS 180s :'(
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Almost 15 years of skating clocked in and I'm still trying to do nose manuals
Fucking bane of my existence.
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keeping with the ankle injuries, for me it's fs flips...rolled mine doing one on flat and been freaked out by that trick ever since..it's such an easy trick but i don't fuck with it
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anything with a flip hates me but im trying to change that
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BS 180s :'(
Go outside right now and try one keeping your eyes on your back foot.
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dont wanna be that guy who tells people how to do tricks BUUUUTTTTT...
an older dude told me as a grom that if you imagine you are skating within a square you can figure out where you board is gonna land-
front shuv/ Variel heel, fs bigspin ect - start in the bottom right corner (if your regs, left if your goofy) as you pop jump to the diaginal opposite corner youll be on the board every time.
pop shuv/ varial kickflip etc - start at bottom left (right for goofy) and jump to the opposite corner (top right)
this totally worked for me and unlocked a bunch of tricks.
the other tip i picked up was for straight kickflip you wanna drag your flicking toe through the truck bolt on the heel side of your deck and off the nose pocket, they ping up to your back foot every time.
now if anyone wants to shed some light on nollie tres id appreciate it, those fuckers have eluded me for a good ten years
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^put your front foot in the pocket of the nose, scoop and jump forward ! try to visualize it as a fakie treflip, but in a mirror lol
...and find the good amount of flip to put in, of course
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BS 180s :'(
switch ones for me. my body doesnt move that way.
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now if anyone wants to shed some light on nollie tres id appreciate it, those fuckers have eluded me for a good ten years
it's all in the big toe on your front foot, you have to find that sweet spot for it, so you get the right pop. back foot really barely moves... i put mine inside the board in the middle of the concave at an angle. then both feet have to work together as your pop, back foot flick is merely an extension of the pop. it's not unlike the way 360 flips work, just mirrored. and different from fakie 360 flips in that you face the direction you're going, enabling you to have a more comfortable, open stance
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now if anyone wants to shed some light on nollie tres id appreciate it, those fuckers have eluded me for a good ten years
it's all in the big toe on your front foot, you have to find that sweet spot for it, so you get the right pop. back foot really barely moves... i put mine inside the board in the middle of the concave at an angle. then both feet have to work together as your pop, back foot flick is merely an extension of the pop. it's not unlike the way 360 flips work, just mirrored. and different from fakie 360 flips in that you face the direction you're going, enabling you to have a more comfortable, open stance
Nollie tres are my favorite trick. One piece of advice I can give that might help you is to think of it as being more vertical than horizontal. What I mean by this is obviously the trick goes horizontally since it has to spin, but in order to get the flip going it helps to think of it as moving vertically. Like how sometimes when you see a still photo of a normal 360 flip just before the catch it looks like it's rotating at maybe a 45 degree angle with the ground. Think of the initial pop as trying to mirror that trajectory rather than doing it such that it will rotate parallel with the ground, and the flip might come easier.
As far as basic tricks that I can't wrap my head around, I think I can do basically every flatground trick besides a regular inward heelflip. To add insult to injury, when I try them I almost always end up getting stabbed by my board or rolling an ankle.
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switch ones for me. my body doesnt move that way.
It all has to do with shoulder placement/rotation. What Suit Up said for regular ones means that you need your shoulders rotated in order to look at your back foot thus providing enough body twist for the 180 to occur. You just need to practice turning your shoulders and ollieing at the same time. It will feel awkward and blind in the beginning but will become natural with time.
Carlos Ribeiro's sw 360 is a good example. It might be a 360 rotation but it is the same principle.
(https://s26.postimg.org/jer65gzx1/Carlos-_Ribeiro2.png) (https://postimg.org/image/jer65gzx1/)
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now if anyone wants to shed some light on nollie tres id appreciate it, those fuckers have eluded me for a good ten years
it's all in the big toe on your front foot, you have to find that sweet spot for it, so you get the right pop. back foot really barely moves... i put mine inside the board in the middle of the concave at an angle. then both feet have to work together as your pop, back foot flick is merely an extension of the pop. it's not unlike the way 360 flips work, just mirrored. and different from fakie 360 flips in that you face the direction you're going, enabling you to have a more comfortable, open stance
As far as basic tricks that I can't wrap my head around, I think I can do basically every flatground trick besides a regular inward heelflip. To add insult to injury, when I try them I almost always end up getting stabbed by my board or rolling an ankle.
that vertical approach sounds good, could help to land them as consistently than fakie tre
for inward heels i watched a sequence of sean sheffey in the 90's that helped me a lot, you gotta flick on the edge of your board till the nose with a massive ninja kick lol
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nollie fs anything (exept 360's)
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Not a cool trick or even one I'd do outside of SKATE, but I have never been able to pressure flip.
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Not a cool trick or even one I'd do outside of SKATE, but I have never been able to pressure flip.
This! What the fucks with it?
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Kickflips: I learned them skating solo and basically did ollie late front foot flips. Undoing that default setting is weird. I can rocket them now but they're sporadic, unnatural, and ugly at best.
Bigspins: I learned the old 180 shuv bs 180 nose pivot Jason Lee style ones and it ended there. I can't pop and scoop a big spin without it flipping and giving me a shinner. I can't slide it on the ground without it going primo.
Back lipslides: any advice welcome.
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Not a cool trick or even one I'd do outside of SKATE, but I have never been able to pressure flip.
This! What the fucks with it?
imagine how hard it was in 93 when you had nothing but shitty video grab sequences to look at.
pro tip: your front foot does absolutely nothing, learn them standing still with your back foot only and you'll be able to pull them. scoop harder than any other trick there is. also works better once you've got a little pressure flip mark on your nose/ tail. beware though because it's a fine line and said mark will soon become a weapon that you can use to cut things with
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I agree with the others that said kickflip. Once I learned them, I was just so satisfied I could land it and I moved on to other tricks without perfecting them. I've got 3 shuvs pretty good but ever since I learned them regular pop shuvs have been giving me grief
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Kickflips: I learned them skating solo and basically did ollie late front foot flips. Undoing that default setting is weird. I can rocket them now but they're sporadic, unnatural, and ugly at best.
Bigspins: I learned the old 180 shuv bs 180 nose pivot Jason Lee style ones and it ended there. I can't pop and scoop a big spin without it flipping and giving me a shinner. I can't slide it on the ground without it going primo.
Back lipslides: any advice welcome.
The ONLY thing that matters in lipslides is getting your back truck over the rail. Keep your upper body static, don't twist it, and that way if you mess up it'll slip out in front of you pretty naturally and you won't stick and get tossed. Turn your lower half a lot. It'll feel like too much but that's waaaaay better than not enough.
Backside ollie over the rail first. If you can do that, you can back lip it. Do it on a parking curb first and get the motion down, then it's literally the exact same on every obstacle. Back lips are one of those tricks that you do the same every time no matter what you're doing them on so if you have it on one thing you have it on everything.
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Kickflips! I haven't been able to have them consistently ever. Some days I can do like 5 in a row flawless and some days I can't land one for shit. Same thing with 50-50s
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Not a cool trick or even one I'd do outside of SKATE, but I have never been able to pressure flip.
back foot with the big toe over the back wheel on the toe side - ie. picture imaginary perpendicular lines extending from each one of your back truck bolts (like a grid of sorts), have your big toe nested in the lowest corner of said lines, on the toe side of the concave. then just press down vertically on that exact spot with all your weight as you jump straight upward. front foot gets out of the way straight upward too like you're doing an impossible, no flick or anything, you really just lift your leg. all the sudden downward pressure over the wheel will cause the board to spring up and start flipping around that axis. then you just suck your feet up so as not to interfere with the motion and you (hopefully) catch it as the griptape side comes back around. it's really like an impossible let go of instead of wrapping, or a very off-axis pop shove-it (the type of which you'd primo on, just deliberately extended and exaggerated)
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There are too many ass tricks that piss me off to list here.
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I can heelflip with nearly 99% success rate, but they always look fucking terrible. I would love to figure out how to do them like I used to in my better skate years.
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I have a love/hate relationship with tre flips. There are are days where I figure out the scoop and land them super consistently for the whole session, then I lose them and don't land a single one for months. There's no rhyme or reason to it, it just happens out of the blue.
I've just given up on heelflips due to landing primo one too many times.
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I have a love/hate relationship with tre flips. There are are days where I figure out the scoop and land them super consistently for the whole session, then I lose them and don't land a single one for months. There's no rhyme or reason to it, it just happens out of the blue.
Tre flips are bitter sweet, peer pressure from friends help after everyone lands theirs in the game of skate. Just gotta jump with it.
B/S 50-50s on quarter pipes. My front truck loves to slip out of the coping and onto the top of the deck.
B/S Smiths on ledges, the heel on my backfoot loves to act as a brake pad.
F/S Flips, probably have done 3-5 in my life but never can figure it out. My body is "f/s challenged".
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I have a love/hate relationship with tre flips. There are are days where I figure out the scoop and land them super consistently for the whole session, then I lose them and don't land a single one for months. There's no rhyme or reason to it, it just happens out of the blue.
B/S 50-50s on quarter pipes. My front truck loves to slip out of the coping and onto the top of the deck.
B/S Smiths on ledges, the heel on my backfoot loves to act as a brake pad.
F/S Flips, probably have done 3-5 in my life but never can figure it out. My body is "f/s challenged".
I used to do them Ellington style, a kickflp then a quick 180, but my success rate was way low and it was a crap shoot every time. THEN I saw a clip of Carroll doing one in I believe that Wet Dream video they did however long ago, he just does a FS flip on flat in a line, and watching him do that one made them click for me and I can do them way better and way more frequently now. The way he has his feet and shoulders is really obvious and if you can copy that you'll be gold. I tried to find the montage online but I can only find the CK in the pool parts so happy hunting.
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frontside noseslides. It took me ten years to learn frontside boardslides, I'm afraid it will take another ten years to learn frontside noseslides. They are so nice though!
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don't feel like making a new thread but: how bout tricks you can't do because you think they're stupid and don't ever try them but look like you suck when you can't land it in a game of skate ...
for me it's - fakie frontside bigspins
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I'll play...
Halfcab Heel. I think they look kinda silly, and I have no desire to learn them, but it's a guaranteed letter for me in skate.
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i cant fuck with any kind of late flips. that shit unnecessary n hard.
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i cant fuck with any kind of late flips. that shit unnecessary n hard.
generally good policy not to bother with anything that looks like absolute shit anyways
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ill take a letter for a fakie frontside bigspin too. horrible trick.
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theres a line in mosaic where dill does a fakie front shuv and i always thought he made it look really cool, so ive always been a fan of doing that trick. my frontside halfcabs ( :P) have always been better than backside, so the fakie front big just came natural i think. its almost as simple as just turning my shoulders and going back to regular. they don't look great and ive never done it on anything other than a hip and flat ground, but yeah, its an easy letter on almost anyone in skate. sorry.
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theres a line in mosaic where dill does a fakie front shuv and i always thought he made it look really cool, so ive always been a fan of doing that trick. my frontside halfcabs ( :P) have always been better than backside, so the fakie front big just came natural i think. its almost as simple as just turning my shoulders and going back to regular. they don't look great and ive never done it on anything other than a hip and flat ground, but yeah, its an easy letter on almost anyone in skate. sorry.
That's my experience too. Along with switch bs 180s
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well just know that when you look back and im frowning..im calling you a douche in my head
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well just know that when you look back and im frowning..im calling you a douche in my head
A boot doesn't care what an ant thinks.
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Nollie front shoves and pop shoves. Both simple tricks that I can in fact do, but don't do regularly because they're not fun. Then I screw them up and look like a moron and not someone who's been skating for seventeen years. Nollie front shoves are the go-to for any simple game of SKATE, it seems like.
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frontside noseslides. It took me ten years to learn frontside boardslides, I'm afraid it will take another ten years to learn frontside noseslides. They are so nice though!
I learned them by overwaxing a curb and then ollieing into the noseslide but with my shoulders posed as if i was doing a fs boardslide. The one with turned shoulders, that would look rad for a photo. The posing will help you not die because of the excess wax and the excess wax will help you slide while in that awkward pose. Once you have the ollieing/sliding part down you can start not waxing the ledge/rail. Also, it helps if the curb is not super low. I feel comfy at a bit lower than knee height.
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tricks your ashamed to have in your bag: double flips
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? don't have them anymore, except 360 doubleflips sometimes, they mess with my original flip...even made tripleflips down high curbz back in ze dayz
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tricks your ashamed to have in your bag: double flips
No-comply pressure flips
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I have a love/hate relationship with tre flips. There are are days where I figure out the scoop and land them super consistently for the whole session, then I lose them and don't land a single one for months. There's no rhyme or reason to it, it just happens out of the blue.
B/S 50-50s on quarter pipes. My front truck loves to slip out of the coping and onto the top of the deck.
B/S Smiths on ledges, the heel on my backfoot loves to act as a brake pad.
F/S Flips, probably have done 3-5 in my life but never can figure it out. My body is "f/s challenged".
I used to do them Ellington style, a kickflp then a quick 180, but my success rate was way low and it was a crap shoot every time. THEN I saw a clip of Carroll doing one in I believe that Wet Dream video they did however long ago, he just does a FS flip on flat in a line, and watching him do that one made them click for me and I can do them way better and way more frequently now. The way he has his feet and shoulders is really obvious and if you can copy that you'll be gold. I tried to find the montage online but I can only find the CK in the pool parts so happy hunting.
Thanks I'll try to peep it.
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frontside noseslides. It took me ten years to learn frontside boardslides, I'm afraid it will take another ten years to learn frontside noseslides. They are so nice though!
I learned them by overwaxing a curb and then ollieing into the noseslide but with my shoulders posed as if i was doing a fs boardslide. The one with turned shoulders, that would look rad for a photo. The posing will help you not die because of the excess wax and the excess wax will help you slide while in that awkward pose. Once you have the ollieing/sliding part down you can start not waxing the ledge/rail. Also, it helps if the curb is not super low. I feel comfy at a bit lower than knee height.
Thank you for the advice! What I am struggeling to do is exactly that what you have described. Even when doing frontside boardslides I still have trouble keeping my body turned in the right way even though I can do them pretty consistently my body gets pretty weirdly contorted at times. I will keep working at it and I will try doing them on taller ledges.
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i cant do a regular heel flip. i got them switch, nollie and fakie. I've literally landed like 10 regular heel flips in 10 years of skating.
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tricks your ashamed to have in your bag: double flips
Boardslides on ledges :-\
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Bs grinds :-\
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tricks your ashamed to have in your bag: double flips
Boardslides on ledges :-\
A lot of willy grind stuff.
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Crooks, I just can't do them anymore.
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Fs tailslides, fs flips, and v.heels. Ive always felt good with sw fs tail, sw fs flip, and sw v. heel, but I've never been able do any of those thangs regular with any consistency.
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Fs tailslides, fs flips, and v.heels. Ive always felt good with sw fs tail, sw fs flip, and sw v. heel, but I've never been able do any of those thangs regular with any consistency.
I feel that! v heels and fs flips are just easier switch! cant switch tailslide to save my life.. but im with you on the other two
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most frontside tricks...
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most frontside tricks...
backside for me. it took me years and years just to be able to back 5050. i can do noseslides and boardslides and maybe a bluntslide if im feeling daring, but backside grinds have always been a struggle. if i try a feeble, its going to take me a million tries which i never understood because i can get into them fine but i just stick, but front smiths have always come easy.
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tricks your ashamed to have in your bag: double flips
Varial flips for me. Not ashamed though; I love them
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i can't fakie front shuv or switch pop shuv pretty much at all, when i land them in a game of skate it's a blessing
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Is switch tre a basic trick?
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Bs flips. They just wrap around my foot and I hit myself in the shins.
Kickflipping into anything. I have really good kickflips on flat but I can't do them into anything for the life of me.
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Almost 15 years of skating clocked in and I'm still trying to do nose manuals
I can't do them worth shit after 31 years.
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back 180s and front shuvs lol
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3flips are driving me nuts. Also nosemanuals are hit or miss now used to do them everywhere. I think the problem is in the shoulders placement when going for both.
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Stand up frontside 50-50s on transition and front shuvs on flat. Fakie and switch are no problem, but regular ones are always on/off for me. I also have landing a switch heelflip on my bucket list, but I don't think I'll ever get there.
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I'm trying to relearn heelflips and I'm not even fucking close. I was pretty decent at them before I broke my ankle and the fact that I can't even pop them enrages me
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I can't half cab nose slide worth anything but can fakie nosegrind 180 out everytime, just don't get it...
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front shuvs on flat. Fakie and switch are no problem, but regular ones are always on/off for me.
Preach! I got better at them after I realized you don't have to scoop with your back foot, but rather just push straight down and the board will do the work for you. They still feel really awkward though and I want to do them better and land them more consistently.
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front shuvs on flat. Fakie and switch are no problem, but regular ones are always on/off for me.
Glad I'm not the only one hahaha I'll have to try this front shuvs are my arch nemisis
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...even when doing frontside boardslides I still have trouble keeping my body turned in the right way even though I can do them pretty consistently my body gets pretty weirdly contorted at times. I will keep working at it and I will try doing them on taller ledges.
I think that front boards are a lot easier when you ollie into it on something higher than a curb, like a foot or foot and a half tall flatbar. I can do them pretty consistently on those but I can't remember the last time I did one on a curb.
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Alright I've been skateboarding for half my stupid life I think it's time I learned to 5050 on a round bar. Any tips would be greatly appreciated. The last time I tried one was 10 years ago and I ended up with a swellbow but knee-version.
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Alright I've been skateboarding for half my stupid life I think it's time I learned to 5050 on a round bar. Any tips would be greatly appreciated. The last time I tried one was 10 years ago and I ended up with a swellbow but knee-version.
I don't fuck with rails but I have a friend who can 50-50 anything and he swears the safest way to grind a rail is to grind it at an uneven angle (so it almost looks like a smith or feeble). So like if you're regular, your back truck is contacting the rail close to the left wheel and the front truck is touching the rail close to the right wheel. I've seen him grind some very scary things and the ones he lands do always look like that.
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Alright I've been skateboarding for half my stupid life I think it's time I learned to 5050 on a round bar. Any tips would be greatly appreciated. The last time I tried one was 10 years ago and I ended up with a swellbow but knee-version.
That pops up in every video now multiple times.
Looks stupid imo but that must be fun riding out a huge curved rail or kinker
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Staggering your trucks ala Riley Hawk is the way to sit on round rails. I don't sit on them for any distance, but that's how. Backside is "safer" feeling to me because I can hop off the other side of the rail if I get scurred.
I think the younger generation is infinitely more comfortable on round rails than older folk because of the turn of the century suburban proliferation of the round CCS flat rail.
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Staggering your trucks ala Riley Hawk is the way to sit on round rails. I don't sit on them for any distance, but that's how. Backside is "safer" feeling to me because I can hop off the other side of the rail if I get scurred.
I think the younger generation is infinitely more comfortable on round rails than older folk because of the turn of the century suburban proliferation of the round CCS flat rail.
So... Jamie Thomas fucked us all with the Zero flatbar?
Trying one today. Thanks for the tips dudes. I'll report back later. Or not. Who gives a shit.
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Staggering your trucks ala Riley Hawk is the way to sit on round rails. I don't sit on them for any distance, but that's how. Backside is "safer" feeling to me because I can hop off the other side of the rail if I get scurred.
I think the younger generation is infinitely more comfortable on round rails than older folk because of the turn of the century suburban proliferation of the round CCS flat rail.
So... Jamie Thomas fucked us all with the Zero flatbar?
Trying one today. Thanks for the tips dudes. I'll report back later. Or not. Who gives a shit.
I didn't have any of that shit I had the pole from a street sign delicately balanced in a crack
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/019/304/old.jpg)
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I literally cannot pop shove. Pretty sure the last time I did one was in 2010/11. The whole pop and scoop thing just feels completely unnatural to me.
I'll have to try to learn 50-50s on rails though, tried it once before and I never got close.
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Nollies up things, over things is fine, parallel into grind/slide is fine, straight up something I have a brain glitch.
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Heelflips, kickflips, and pop shovs. Can never seem to get my back foot down, frustrating but oh well.
Anyone got tips for nollies over things, I can get them on flat, but there is like a mental block when I try it over a curb or a street cone.
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Heelflips, kickflips, and pop shovs. Can never seem to get my back foot down, frustrating but oh well.
Anyone got tips for nollies over things, I can get them on flat, but there is like a mental block when I try it over a curb or a street cone.
pop earlier than you'd think, learn them down small sets of stairs to get the right idea about the timing
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Go outside right now and try one keeping your eyes on your back foot.
Dude thank you, always had a hard time rolling out switch and not pivoting.
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tailslides, both fs and bs, and i've got good fs lipslides so fs tails shouldn't be too hard but for some reason i can't get them to slide, every time i try i do a tail stall. as for bs tailslides, i can't do them at all, i'm just too scared to try
frontside noseslides as well, another scary trick (for me at least)
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tailslides, both fs and bs, and i've got good fs lipslides so fs tails shouldn't be too hard but for some reason i can't get them to slide, every time i try i do a tail stall. as for bs tailslides, i can't do them at all, i'm just too scared to try
frontside noseslides as well, another scary trick (for me at least)
For tailslides I usually lean out away from the ledge and push down but forward with the foot thats sliding to really make the ledge slide. But thats on the ledges at the skatepark which are never really too waxed and don't slide well. I feel like the ledge would have to be insanely slick to be able to like stand straight and be chilling on a tailslide. I'd always stick on back tails till my friend pointed out you gotta push your back foot the same as front tails.
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Go outside right now and try one keeping your eyes on your back foot.
Dude thank you, always had a hard time rolling out switch and not pivoting.
Does that actually work? I can't back one to save my life
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tailslides, both fs and bs, and i've got good fs lipslides so fs tails shouldn't be too hard but for some reason i can't get them to slide, every time i try i do a tail stall. as for bs tailslides, i can't do them at all, i'm just too scared to try
frontside noseslides as well, another scary trick (for me at least)
All of this is good. Put every ounce of your weight on your sliding foot and lean a little bit back and you can coast those fuckers for miles.
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tailslides, both fs and bs, and i've got good fs lipslides so fs tails shouldn't be too hard but for some reason i can't get them to slide, every time i try i do a tail stall. as for bs tailslides, i can't do them at all, i'm just too scared to try
frontside noseslides as well, another scary trick (for me at least)
All of this is good. Put every ounce of your weight on your sliding foot and lean a little bit back and you can coast those fuckers for miles.
This just clicked for me a few days ago as well for back tails. The front foot just does the guiding, the back foot does all the work.
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K grinds. I learn them like once a year and lose them just as fast.
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Used to be able to 360 flip really consistently, I remember one day trying a line and being able to land them well every try. But now I can hardly even flip the fucking things. Somehow I can rotate them switch every try and fakie is really comfortable but regular just fucks with my head now. I just overthink them every try
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tailslides, both fs and bs, and i've got good fs lipslides so fs tails shouldn't be too hard but for some reason i can't get them to slide, every time i try i do a tail stall. as for bs tailslides, i can't do them at all, i'm just too scared to try
frontside noseslides as well, another scary trick (for me at least)
All of this is good. Put every ounce of your weight on your sliding foot and lean a little bit back and you can coast those fuckers for miles.
I can´t seem to get out of bs tailslides. I have been trying for really long now and I guess it might be in my shoulders. When I land one which rarely happens, I fall out to fakie awkwardly. I can slide them but I cant get out of them. Any tips on that? thanks
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tailslides, both fs and bs, and i've got good fs lipslides so fs tails shouldn't be too hard but for some reason i can't get them to slide, every time i try i do a tail stall. as for bs tailslides, i can't do them at all, i'm just too scared to try
frontside noseslides as well, another scary trick (for me at least)
All of this is good. Put every ounce of your weight on your sliding foot and lean a little bit back and you can coast those fuckers for miles.
I can´t seem to get out of bs tailslides. I have been trying for really long now and I guess it might be in my shoulders. When I land one which rarely happens, I fall out to fakie awkwardly. I can slide them but I cant get out of them. Any tips on that? thanks
It's probably your hips. I don't move my upper body much if I'm doing bs tails to regular, so if your shoulders are getting in the mix try keeping your upper body mostly facing the direction it was when you hit your tail. Then you can just rotate your hips out of it.
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Go outside right now and try one keeping your eyes on your back foot.
Dude thank you, always had a hard time rolling out switch and not pivoting.
Did for me, I guess it tricked my shoulders to turn all the way around, try it out, I was getting them the cleanest I ever have pretty quickly that way.
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tailslides, both fs and bs, and i've got good fs lipslides so fs tails shouldn't be too hard but for some reason i can't get them to slide, every time i try i do a tail stall. as for bs tailslides, i can't do them at all, i'm just too scared to try
frontside noseslides as well, another scary trick (for me at least)
All of this is good. Put every ounce of your weight on your sliding foot and lean a little bit back and you can coast those fuckers for miles.
I can´t seem to get out of bs tailslides. I have been trying for really long now and I guess it might be in my shoulders. When I land one which rarely happens, I fall out to fakie awkwardly. I can slide them but I cant get out of them. Any tips on that? thanks
It's probably your hips. I don't move my upper body much if I'm doing bs tails to regular, so if your shoulders are getting in the mix try keeping your upper body mostly facing the direction it was when you hit your tail. Then you can just rotate your hips out of it.
Thank you, I ll focus on my hips and report back when I find a dry place to skate again which will probably be next weekend 8)
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maybe it's been said and i wasn't paying attention, but also on the back tail to regs it helps a lot to look over your shoulder. getting out of it is really natural that way since your body will follow your head.
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maybe it's been said and i wasn't paying attention, but also on the back tail to regs it helps a lot to look over your shoulder. getting out of it is really natural that way since your body will follow your head.
Thank you Baron Samedi, I have already tried looking over my shoulder but I cant really keep looking there while sliding. I always end up looking straight down. No skating this weekend since its cold as fuck here, but I will work on the bs tailslide in the near future. It´s such a good looking trick and I really want to have it on lock as good as possible.
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Go outside right now and try one keeping your eyes on your back foot.
Dude thank you, always had a hard time rolling out switch and not pivoting.
Did for me, I guess it tricked my shoulders to turn all the way around, try it out, I was getting them the cleanest I ever have pretty quickly that way.
Gonna try it tomorrow, I suppose
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Go outside right now and try one keeping your eyes on your back foot.
Dude thank you, always had a hard time rolling out switch and not pivoting.
Did for me, I guess it tricked my shoulders to turn all the way around, try it out, I was getting them the cleanest I ever have pretty quickly that way.
Any luck on the back 180's?
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31 years of skating... Granted on and off. But it's still fucking kickflips! 99% of the time I look like Gonz mobbing, bounce them off the ground or just one foot the fuck out of them, with no flip. Like once a year I get the floating front foot flick and back foot catch and it's glorious! 😂
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Im on board i cant kickflip or backtail worth a shit
its embarrassing
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31 years of skating... Granted on and off. But it's still fucking kickflips! 99% of the time I look like Gonz mobbing, bounce them off the ground or just one foot the fuck out of them, with no flip. Like once a year I get the floating front foot flick and back foot catch and it's glorious! 😂
best tip i ever got for kickflips was drag your front toe right over the truck bolt and out of the pocket of the nose. clicked for me and ten years later its the only trick i have on lock down no matter what.
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31 years of skating... Granted on and off. But it's still fucking kickflips! 99% of the time I look like Gonz mobbing, bounce them off the ground or just one foot the fuck out of them, with no flip. Like once a year I get the floating front foot flick and back foot catch and it's glorious! 😂
best tip i ever got for kickflips was drag your front toe right over the truck bolt and out of the pocket of the nose. clicked for me and ten years later its the only trick i have on lock down no matter what.
That's the simplest break down of a trick I've heard and makes complete sense in a way to repeat consistently. Gonna give it a shot, thanks man!
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31 years of skating... Granted on and off. But it's still fucking kickflips! 99% of the time I look like Gonz mobbing, bounce them off the ground or just one foot the fuck out of them, with no flip. Like once a year I get the floating front foot flick and back foot catch and it's glorious! 😂
best tip i ever got for kickflips was drag your front toe right over the truck bolt and out of the pocket of the nose. clicked for me and ten years later its the only trick i have on lock down no matter what.
no worries bro, let us know if it works for you!
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Go outside right now and try one keeping your eyes on your back foot.
Dude thank you, always had a hard time rolling out switch and not pivoting.
Did for me, I guess it tricked my shoulders to turn all the way around, try it out, I was getting them the cleanest I ever have pretty quickly that way.
Any luck on the back 180's?
I tried some last night, actually. I need to get it down into a fluid motion, but that tip definitely works. Hopefully I'll eventually be able to get them as a good as my front 180s, which is the flatground trick I do the best
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31 years of skating... Granted on and off. But it's still fucking kickflips! 99% of the time I look like Gonz mobbing, bounce them off the ground or just one foot the fuck out of them, with no flip. Like once a year I get the floating front foot flick and back foot catch and it's glorious! 😂
best tip i ever got for kickflips was drag your front toe right over the truck bolt and out of the pocket of the nose. clicked for me and ten years later its the only trick i have on lock down no matter what.
no worries bro, let us know if it works for you!
Been -10 to 15*F with 2' of snow here. But I cleaned off the garage floor tonight and gave it a shot. My flips were more consistent, leveled and popped. After trying to break some really old/bad habits, I caught and landed more than usual. It's been a long time since I was stoked on kickflips. I can't wait to get more than one push in with a hurried set up and try with some speed. Thanks again for the advice homie!
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31 years of skating... Granted on and off. But it's still fucking kickflips! 99% of the time I look like Gonz mobbing, bounce them off the ground or just one foot the fuck out of them, with no flip. Like once a year I get the floating front foot flick and back foot catch and it's glorious! 😂
To not mob your kickflips, drag your back heel up the board as pop the flip. same as you would an ollie.
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31 years of skating... Granted on and off. But it's still fucking kickflips! 99% of the time I look like Gonz mobbing, bounce them off the ground or just one foot the fuck out of them, with no flip. Like once a year I get the floating front foot flick and back foot catch and it's glorious! 😂
best tip i ever got for kickflips was drag your front toe right over the truck bolt and out of the pocket of the nose. clicked for me and ten years later its the only trick i have on lock down no matter what.
no worries bro, let us know if it works for you!
Sick! glad it worked for you dude
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I just can't figure out how the hell people ollie more than a couple inches out of manuals.
Also, I have front shuvs on lock, but I always end up about 2 feet behind where I started
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I just can't figure out how the hell people ollie more than a couple inches out of manuals.
Also, I have front shuvs on lock, but I always end up about 2 feet behind where I started
You're doing the work with your front foot instead of your back foot.
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I just can't figure out how the hell people ollie more than a couple inches out of manuals.
The trick to this unfortunately is to just do more manuals. There's no secret other than to do a ton of manuals to get good at manuals. There is also no secret to balance, which is the key to doing a good ollie or nollie out of a manual, other than the slow grind of improving it over years.
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I just can't figure out how the hell people ollie more than a couple inches out of manuals.
Also, I have front shuvs on lock, but I always end up about 2 feet behind where I started
You're doing the work with your front foot instead of your back foot.
I'm almost sure this isn't it. I scoop during the pop to get the rotation so it rotates on the axis of the back wheels, but I don't use my front foot at all. I can't figure out how to pop down and then scoop out. I can do it standing like everyone else, but jumping and doing it has always eluded me. I put a decent amount of time into figuring this out with no progress. I have a lifetime of other shit to learn so it'll be alright.
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maybe it's been said and i wasn't paying attention, but also on the back tail to regs it helps a lot to look over your shoulder. getting out of it is really natural that way since your body will follow your head.
Thank you Baron Samedi, I have already tried looking over my shoulder but I cant really keep looking there while sliding. I always end up looking straight down. No skating this weekend since its cold as fuck here, but I will work on the bs tailslide in the near future. It´s such a good looking trick and I really want to have it on lock as good as possible.
I ve had 3 or 4 sessions meanwhile, still no luck on a controlled bs ts. When I focus on looking forward or my hips, I tend to not get 100% straight in the slide which results in sticking. When I don´t I mostly slide out. I am currently trying to find that sweet spot between the two. I still have the feeling that I will break through and get them more consistent soon (even tough its been more than 5 years of trying so far haha).
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I was always god awful at just normal ollies until I realized you can help "pull" the board up with your back foot too -_-
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maybe it's been said and i wasn't paying attention, but also on the back tail to regs it helps a lot to look over your shoulder. getting out of it is really natural that way since your body will follow your head.
Thank you Baron Samedi, I have already tried looking over my shoulder but I cant really keep looking there while sliding. I always end up looking straight down. No skating this weekend since its cold as fuck here, but I will work on the bs tailslide in the near future. It´s such a good looking trick and I really want to have it on lock as good as possible.
I ve had 3 or 4 sessions meanwhile, still no luck on a controlled bs ts. When I focus on looking forward or my hips, I tend to not get 100% straight in the slide which results in sticking. When I don´t I mostly slide out. I am currently trying to find that sweet spot between the two. I still have the feeling that I will break through and get them more consistent soon (even tough its been more than 5 years of trying so far haha).
push your board slightly further out in the direction your sliding, so it feels like its gonna go past where you think is the right spot, it almost always works for me whereas aiming to be exactly the same angle as the ledge i always stick
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I was always god awful at just normal ollies until I realized you can help "pull" the board up with your back foot too -_-
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I was always god awful at just normal ollies until I realized you can help "pull" the board up with your back foot too -_-
for a while I could only tweak switch ollies, but not normal ones either. I could do some high ones, but they were always stiff-legged although I could bring those knees up to my ears sometimes, trying to make it over the tallest obstacles I would try. then I learned proper nosebonks where you just kind of kick off the nose to bonk the front wheels against the obstacle (as opposed to going for a very quick nosewheelie with your weight over the nose) and somehow something clicked after that and now I can 'float' (ahem) ollies over high shit with a lot less effort, by pretty much faking a nosebonk where you overestimate the height on purpose and end up going over the obstacle, it's hard to explain but basically that allows you to level the board out with just the right timing to clear heftier shit. feels a lot better too because it's a really light-footed way to ollie.
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I just can't figure out how the hell people ollie more than a couple inches out of manuals.
Also, I have front shuvs on lock, but I always end up about 2 feet behind where I started
You're doing the work with your front foot instead of your back foot.
I'm almost sure this isn't it. I scoop during the pop to get the rotation so it rotates on the axis of the back wheels, but I don't use my front foot at all. I can't figure out how to pop down and then scoop out. I can do it standing like everyone else, but jumping and doing it has always eluded me. I put a decent amount of time into figuring this out with no progress. I have a lifetime of other shit to learn so it'll be alright.
something else to keep in mind is that the board doesn't need to stay parallel to the ground the whole time - mine often end up rotating slightly like a varial heel and the nose (i.e. the tail when you popped the trick) is lower than the tail which makes it easier to catch with the front foot
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Also, how the fuck do I pop shuv? I legitimately have not done one in probably six years; the whole motion of the trick seem entirely unnatural to me (but of course I can rotate a 360 shuv perfectly).
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Also, how the fuck do I pop shuv? I legitimately have not done one in probably six years; the whole motion of the trick seem entirely unnatural to me (but of course I can rotate a 360 shuv perfectly).
I can't do regular ones at all. They always at least half flip. The first flip trick I ever learned was a 360 flip and I think it contaminated all my others.
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maybe it's been said and i wasn't paying attention, but also on the back tail to regs it helps a lot to look over your shoulder. getting out of it is really natural that way since your body will follow your head.
Thank you Baron Samedi, I have already tried looking over my shoulder but I cant really keep looking there while sliding. I always end up looking straight down. No skating this weekend since its cold as fuck here, but I will work on the bs tailslide in the near future. It´s such a good looking trick and I really want to have it on lock as good as possible.
I ve had 3 or 4 sessions meanwhile, still no luck on a controlled bs ts. When I focus on looking forward or my hips, I tend to not get 100% straight in the slide which results in sticking. When I don´t I mostly slide out. I am currently trying to find that sweet spot between the two. I still have the feeling that I will break through and get them more consistent soon (even tough its been more than 5 years of trying so far haha).
this is also a trick that eludes me. I have periods of trying to get it but no breakthroughs so far. when people say to look over your shoulder, do they mean before or during the slide? most pictures I see of this trick, the person is looking down but their shoulders are usually parallel to the ledge or rail. I don’t understand how you could lock into this trick and slide while looking forward.
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Also, how the fuck do I pop shuv? I legitimately have not done one in probably six years; the whole motion of the trick seem entirely unnatural to me (but of course I can rotate a 360 shuv perfectly).
Put the toes of your back foot more in the middle of the tail rather then the edge, that will help the board from flipping. Then pop without much spin at all.
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maybe it's been said and i wasn't paying attention, but also on the back tail to regs it helps a lot to look over your shoulder. getting out of it is really natural that way since your body will follow your head.
Thank you Baron Samedi, I have already tried looking over my shoulder but I cant really keep looking there while sliding. I always end up looking straight down. No skating this weekend since its cold as fuck here, but I will work on the bs tailslide in the near future. It´s such a good looking trick and I really want to have it on lock as good as possible.
I ve had 3 or 4 sessions meanwhile, still no luck on a controlled bs ts. When I focus on looking forward or my hips, I tend to not get 100% straight in the slide which results in sticking. When I don´t I mostly slide out. I am currently trying to find that sweet spot between the two. I still have the feeling that I will break through and get them more consistent soon (even tough its been more than 5 years of trying so far haha).
this is also a trick that eludes me. I have periods of trying to get it but no breakthroughs so far. when people say to look over your shoulder, do they mean before or during the slide? most pictures I see of this trick, the person is looking down but their shoulders are usually parallel to the ledge or rail. I don’t understand how you could lock into this trick and slide while looking forward.
i battled for consistant back tails for years, what worked for me is pushing the tail out further than you feel like it should go.. like when i was aiming for exactly 90' on the ledge i would always either come up short or stick.. pushing it out to whatt feels like more than parallel gets the glide going.. at first youll always fall out to fakie but once you get used to it and control the slide coming out regs comes pretty quick
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It’s not even a god damn trick. I can’t powerslide either way and thus will never look as cool as yall.
As soon as I turn it’s over. There is no slide, my board just stops and I’m off.
I remember doing them through slippery piles of leaves in the fall as a kid but that’s it.
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I've noticed a lot of people who are just learning new tricks hunch over the board before popping instead of keeping their back straight and bending their knees. it helped me a lot with learning tricks to pretend that im sitting in a chair..
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I was always god awful at just normal ollies until I realized you can help "pull" the board up with your back foot too -_-
pop, slide front foot like normal, but also imagine your back foot constantly in contact with the board, using the contact to pull it up and slightly forward
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I was always god awful at just normal ollies until I realized you can help "pull" the board up with your back foot too -_-
pop, slide front foot like normal, but also imagine your back foot constantly in contact with the board, using the contact to pull it up and slightly forward
Ah, working on it
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ollieing into nose manuals on low things like up a sidewalk. how do you do that? I do better trying them on something higher. manuals in general are tough for me but I’ve always wanted to do nose manuals on low manual pads.
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ollieing into nose manuals on low things like up a sidewalk. how do you do that? I do better trying them on something higher. manuals in general are tough for me but I’ve always wanted to do nose manuals on low manual pads.
I held off for years on learning nose manuals so 2 years ago i started learning them on small pads because i was scared to go any higher. i've gotten them finally but after eating a lot of shit. they are for sure easier on high stuff. just go light at first like don't totally nosedive into the curb
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ollieing into nose manuals on low things like up a sidewalk. how do you do that? I do better trying them on something higher. manuals in general are tough for me but I’ve always wanted to do nose manuals on low manual pads.
avoid stomping on your nose, being light footed and perfectly perpendicular to the board is the key
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ollieing into nose manuals on low things like up a sidewalk. how do you do that? I do better trying them on something higher. manuals in general are tough for me but I’ve always wanted to do nose manuals on low manual pads.
avoid stomping on your nose, being light footed and perfectly perpendicular to the board is the key
Also, besides this, put your front put a lot higher so you barely have to drag into it. Experiment with possibly keeping your front foot even more over the trucks in the curve of the nose when you land in the manny. Keeping your arms parallel to the board is huge. I had the same problem until I started practicing this more.
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tips on frontide flips? the ones where you spin it out
and do not revert/pivot it on flat after > 90 degrees?
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tips on frontide flips? the ones where you spin it out
and do not revert/pivot it on flat after > 90 degrees?
practice hardflips a lot and then think of it like a hardflip 180
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I haven't done a fs flip since before I broke my ankle but when I did do them they were Muska flips. Not sure what I can say other than literally think about it as a front 180 and a kickflip (disclaimer: front 180s are the one trick I'm REALLY good at). That's how I learned them.
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Switch flips are harder for me than switch 360 flips. I can’t get switch varial kickflips when I try, but get them when I fuck up switch 360 flips.
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tips on frontide flips? the ones where you spin it out
and do not revert/pivot it on flat after > 90 degrees?
this is going to sound weird but I started getting those a lot more after I started setting up for them the way I normally set up for 360 flips, big toe on the pocket, face where you're going then open your shoulders as you pop.
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Switch flips and ollie north. Haven't been able to do them in years. Rolled my ankle pretty bad some years back and haven't been able to get them back.
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Smacking your tail down after an ollie. Primarily over a bump to bump or a hip. Seems like it should be pretty straight forward but every time I've tried it I feel like I'm going to break my board or I just do a really lame ollie.
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Fucking regular pop shuv its!! I can pop switch ones easily and pretty high. The second I try regular ones it spins like a varial. Is hard for me to level it. And if I do it it’s like 50/50 chance I’m going to land it. Primos are very common for me if I over think it. I always admired garret hills pop shuv.
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Fucking regular pop shuv its!! I can pop switch ones easily and pretty high. The second I try regular ones it spins like a varial. Is hard for me to level it. And if I do it it’s like 50/50 chance I’m going to land it. Primos are very common for me if I over think it. I always admired garret hills pop shuv.
Me too so I just decided fuck that trick. We always want what we can't have but I will not stress over that stupid trick.
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Fucking regular pop shuv its!! I can pop switch ones easily and pretty high. The second I try regular ones it spins like a varial. Is hard for me to level it. And if I do it it’s like 50/50 chance I’m going to land it. Primos are very common for me if I over think it. I always admired garret hills pop shuv.
Me too so I just decided fuck that trick. We always want what we can't have but I will not stress over that stupid trick.
These dudes will cure what ails ya'...
http://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PLj05sUrypM2wsUBYCqOik7YPZ1y_l8pYN&v=cS6AJ_rPzHM
Seriously, best how to series.
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nose manny. Can't do them at all.
Lost pop shuv's too...they do the same as mentioned above. Switch is fine, fs fine as well, but reg shuv's are asking for primo landings.
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for pop shove its, put your front foot more like for an ollie than a kickflip and you shouldn’t primo.
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tips on frontide flips? the ones where you spin it out
and do not revert/pivot it on flat after > 90 degrees?
this is going to sound weird but I started getting those a lot more after I started setting up for them the way I normally set up for 360 flips, big toe on the pocket, face where you're going then open your shoulders as you pop.
If it works for you great, but that is definitely a weird FS flip setup
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i'm having trouble getting f/s and b/s 360s to fully rotate, any advice?
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i'm having trouble getting f/s and b/s 360s to fully rotate, any advice?
Seconded for front 3s, really wanna learn them
Uhh how the fuck are you supposed to back 50-50?
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FrenchFriedClownFingers for backside 360 ollies just have your big toe hang off the tail before you pop (as much as, maybe more than you would for a 360 flip). then you throw your shoulders into the spin, pop with the right timing and your back foot should do all the work, guiding the board around with you not too unlike it would control an impossible. the technique has nothing to do with normal backside 180's where you actually ollie then turn, here you just spin and scoop. the shoulder part is a bitch to learn and you may end up landing short of 90 degrees, slipping out and eating shit before you figure it out. maybe if you do enough backside 360 no-complies that will help.
I suck at frontside ones (except switch - classic) but the few satisfying ones I've done, I remember I was mentally breaking it down into two parts, like scooped frontside 180 late frontside 180 (if that makes sense), in order to force myself to get the shoulders part right. it's a beautiful trick, I should put some time into really trying to learn it properly. watch Donny Barley, Donger, Sheffey, Wray.
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tips on frontide flips? the ones where you spin it out
and do not revert/pivot it on flat after > 90 degrees?
this is going to sound weird but I started getting those a lot more after I started setting up for them the way I normally set up for 360 flips, big toe on the pocket, face where you're going then open your shoulders as you pop.
If it works for you great, but that is definitely a weird FS flip setup
there's no denying that. my whole life is set up weird. every frontside flip I pop I try really hard to pretend I'm PJ Ladd in WHL mid-line on the road amid the traffic, but of course that never works and eventually I just witness myself flop around and occasionally pivot on the nose.
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Smacking your tail down after an ollie. Primarily over a bump to bump or a hip. Seems like it should be pretty straight forward but every time I've tried it I feel like I'm going to break my board or I just do a really lame ollie.
^This please. Any time I try ollie anything on bumps, hips, skateparks, etc., I'm looking more limp and flaccid than what Stormy Daniels witnesses every time she visits a Trump Tower exec suite.
Are you supposed to pump up the start of the incline like you would on a quarter/park transition? Should you be crouching at the beginning of the incline and quickly popping up at the top? Or "scooping" the tail out? Or should you be completely straight-legged while riding up the incline then popping up and sucking up your knees?
This shit torments me to no end.
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Smacking your tail down after an ollie. Primarily over a bump to bump or a hip. Seems like it should be pretty straight forward but every time I've tried it I feel like I'm going to break my board or I just do a really lame ollie.
practice one footers where you dont just ollie and then lift, but really kick them out from the start (like a kickflip/heelflip without a flip) and then when you fuck up and dont 'one foot' but just kinda bone it by accident the smacking almost always happens, then just refine that motion.
oh and dont stomp, but i think the one footer tactic kind of requires finesse or lightfootedness so that might be why it worked for me
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Nosebluntslides from the side of the ledge, can do em rollin straight at it but whenever I try em from the side I either miss it completely or if I actually get into it I'm leaning too far forward and jump off...
Weirdly enough I'm really good at FS nosegrinds but it pisses me off that I can't tweak it just that little bit more to get it on a noseblunt.
Can't even comprehend how to pop outta that shit in the middle of the ledge too. Templeton makes it look so easy.
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Some hooker tried to lure me into a strip club in North Beach and she didn’t know who Evan Smith was...why was she wearing those shoes and who gave them to her?
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popping out of boardslides in the middle of a double sided-ledge. (think tall curb)
I've tried to slam the tail and throw my shoulders but I hang up every time or the tail hits the ground and stops immediately...
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Some hooker tried to lure me into a strip club in North Beach and she didn’t know who Evan Smith was...why was she wearing those shoes and who gave them to her?
+1
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popping out of boardslides in the middle of a double sided-ledge. (think tall curb)
I've tried to slam the tail and throw my shoulders but I hang up every time or the tail hits the ground and stops immediately...
pop off and come back to the side you came from to land, or transfer over ? I find that those motions are more in the hips than they are in the shoulders (although your line of thinking isn't wrong seeing as a lot of skateboarding actually has to do with the shoulders)
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popping out of boardslides in the middle of a double sided-ledge. (think tall curb)
I've tried to slam the tail and throw my shoulders but I hang up every time or the tail hits the ground and stops immediately...
pop off and come back to the side you came from to land, or transfer over ? I find that those motions are more in the hips than they are in the shoulders (although your line of thinking isn't wrong seeing as a lot of skateboarding actually has to do with the shoulders)
Same Side, and are you saying like thrust your hips (lol) to the side you wanna come out of?
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360flips forever
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popping out of boardslides in the middle of a double sided-ledge. (think tall curb)
I've tried to slam the tail and throw my shoulders but I hang up every time or the tail hits the ground and stops immediately...
pop off and come back to the side you came from to land, or transfer over ? I find that those motions are more in the hips than they are in the shoulders (although your line of thinking isn't wrong seeing as a lot of skateboarding actually has to do with the shoulders)
Same Side, and are you saying like thrust your hips (lol) to the side you wanna come out of?
more like, never really move your upper body / shoulders if you're going to try to pop out early, even as you're ollieing into the boardslide, keep having them facing the direction you're going (more than usual at least) and do the boardslide motion with your lower body / hips only, if that makes sense. keep looking towards where you're heading, pretty much. that should eliminate unnecessary motions when the time comes to pop out because your upper body is ready to roll away already, basically. and yeah the dismount is in your hips, you have to turn them back around similarly to how you would to come out of rock and roll on tranny just with an extra snap, you have to be quick- and light-footed and pop a sort of small ollie out of it. the longer the slide the harder to control the dismount is, because you lose the momentum and reactivity. love doing those frontside.
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360 flips. I'll have to do 150 to land a decent one, then I only have it for a day. Then repeat. So I basically don't do them any more. I could do them decently before boards were popsicles. H-street days no problem. Also add that my ankles have been destroyed since then. But love the trick, can't do em
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popping out of boardslides in the middle of a double sided-ledge. (think tall curb)
I've tried to slam the tail and throw my shoulders but I hang up every time or the tail hits the ground and stops immediately...
pop off and come back to the side you came from to land, or transfer over ? I find that those motions are more in the hips than they are in the shoulders (although your line of thinking isn't wrong seeing as a lot of skateboarding actually has to do with the shoulders)
Same Side, and are you saying like thrust your hips (lol) to the side you wanna come out of?
more like, never really move your upper body / shoulders if you're going to try to pop out early, even as you're ollieing into the boardslide, keep having them facing the direction you're going (more than usual at least) and do the boardslide motion with your lower body / hips only, if that makes sense. keep looking towards where you're heading, pretty much. that should eliminate unnecessary motions when the time comes to pop out because your upper body is ready to roll away already, basically. and yeah the dismount is in your hips, you have to turn them back around similarly to how you would to come out of rock and roll on tranny just with an extra snap, you have to be quick- and light-footed and pop a sort of small ollie out of it. the longer the slide the harder to control the dismount is, because you lose the momentum and reactivity. love doing those frontside.
I think of doing a really exagerated rock n roll on tranny, it seems to help
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360 flips. I'll have to do 150 to land a decent one, then I only have it for a day. Then repeat. So I basically don't do them any more. I could do them decently before boards were popsicles. H-street days no problem. Also add that my ankles have been destroyed since then. But love the trick, can't do em
Go buy a 10 inch board and 3 flip to your heart's content.
I know it hasn't been mentioned in a while, but for those having trouble with heelflips, don't try kicking out. Hang your toes off the board about an inch and then pop an ollie. Your board will do the rest for you.
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Back tails. Have to do them like every session to keep them.
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Noseslides. Can't even do them the cheater way, just doesn't make sense.
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Again not quite basic but I've never landed a blunt fakie or pivot fakie in 30 years of skating. I think the problem might be being too poosey.
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Noseslides. Can't even do them the cheater way, just doesn't make sense.
I never really tried to do a regular nose slides for my first twenties years of skating. I'd seen one too many shitty slappy nose slides in the early nineties and just wrote them off as not worth the effort. About a year ago I started trying them again. My advice is to think of them as a middle ground between a crooked and a 180 nose grind.
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Noseslides. Can't even do them the cheater way, just doesn't make sense.
I never really tried to do a regular nose slides for my first twenties years of skating. I'd seen one too many shitty slappy nose slides in the early nineties and just wrote them off as not worth the effort. About a year ago I started trying them again. My advice is to think of them as a middle ground between a crooked and a 180 nose grind.
Nice, two other tricks I can't do. Never learned crooks because I always heard you had to learn noseslides first. Never tried a front 180 nosegrind before though, maybe I'll give those a whirl?
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Not that it makes you a bad skateboarder or anything, but I'm baffled that there's something someone can't figure out about a noseslide. To be fair, this is coming from someone who was skating for 10 years before I learned how to axle stall on transition so I get that some tricks just don't click for certain people.
Sounds stupid, but can you just ride straight at a ledge and do a nosestall? I'd start with that and then do the same thing but start from a very slight angle, and then more of an angle, and so on and so forth until you can do the 90 degree ollie onto the nosestall starting parallel to the ledge. Once you can do that, you shouldn't have any problem sliding them.
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Noseslides. Can't even do them the cheater way, just doesn't make sense.
I never really tried to do a regular nose slides for my first twenties years of skating. I'd seen one too many shitty slappy nose slides in the early nineties and just wrote them off as not worth the effort. About a year ago I started trying them again. My advice is to think of them as a middle ground between a crooked and a 180 nose grind.
This is still true. This trick is unsatisfying and not even cool. Not worth it haha.
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I do like seeing them on freakishly large hubbas though where any other trick wouldn't be feasible.
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Not that it makes you a bad skateboarder or anything, but I'm baffled that there's something someone can't figure out about a noseslide. To be fair, this is coming from someone who was skating for 10 years before I learned how to axle stall on transition so I get that some tricks just don't click for certain people.
Sounds stupid, but can you just ride straight at a ledge and do a nosestall? I'd start with that and then do the same thing but start from a very slight angle, and then more of an angle, and so on and so forth until you can do the 90 degree ollie onto the nosestall starting parallel to the ledge. Once you can do that, you shouldn't have any problem sliding them.
slappy/ sloppy ones are easy but I actually struggle with them (backside) on medium sized ledges for some reason. funny that they seem easy on ledges you could probably never normally skate
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frontside rock and rolls. that is a fucked up feeling trick.
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how do i stop my body and shoulders form opening up doing kickflips?? feels like i'd have to look backwards or something for it to ever work
Focus on where you look. After popping look straight down on your board (literally the middle of your board). If you look where you flick (which should be diagonally off the nose and up) your shoulders naturally turn frontside following your head and eye movement.
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frontside rock and rolls. that is a fucked up feeling trick.
Easier to learn on small tight stuff. Feels terrible on mellow transition.
Your shoulders should be finished with the trick before the board starts it.
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Again not quite basic but I've never landed a blunt fakie or pivot fakie in 30 years of skating. I think the problem might be being too poosey.
This self-diagnosis is 100% correct. Don't be poosey.
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switch and nollie flips. Don't think ill ever train my body to figure these outs. My switch flick is fucked.
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Noseslides. Can't even do them the cheater way, just doesn't make sense.
I never really tried to do a regular nose slides for my first twenties years of skating. I'd seen one too many shitty slappy nose slides in the early nineties and just wrote them off as not worth the effort. About a year ago I started trying them again. My advice is to think of them as a middle ground between a crooked and a 180 nose grind.
I came in here to say almost the exact thing, haha. Noseslides have always felt super awkward to me, and I just sorta skipped 'em. I accept that I suck at ledge/skating in general, but this one always gets me flustered and embarrassed. But just tonight I tried them over and over and eventually got a few bullshit ones which is a huge step for me.
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I have accepted that I will never do a nice looking heelflip. my leg just doesnt go that way.
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I have been working hard on backside tailslides lately. I’m back to where I was a long time ago when I tried learning this trick: I do an accidental suski grind before coming to a stop on the ledge. Today I did a suski grind to tail stall and rolled away which made me laugh self-pityingly while feeling kind of stoked at the same time. What do I need to do to get this trick? For starters I think I need to come more parallel to the ledge and at less of an angle. Any other tips would be greatly appreciated.
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I have been working hard on backside tailslides lately. I’m back to where I was a long time ago when I tried learning this trick: I do an accidental suski grind before coming to a stop on the ledge. Today I did a suski grind to tail stall and rolled away which made me laugh self-pityingly while feeling kind of stoked at the same time. What do I need to do to get this trick? For starters I think I need to come more parallel to the ledge and at less of an angle. Any other tips would be greatly appreciated.
You aren't turning your hips enough. You can get into a bs tail from any angle you're comfortable with if you turn enough. When you start slipping out is when you know you're real close to the ones you can sit on and it makes the noise and everything. It feels like it, but you aren't going to overturn and end up in a switch fs crook position. Swing them hips.
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I have been working hard on backside tailslides lately. I’m back to where I was a long time ago when I tried learning this trick: I do an accidental suski grind before coming to a stop on the ledge. Today I did a suski grind to tail stall and rolled away which made me laugh self-pityingly while feeling kind of stoked at the same time. What do I need to do to get this trick? For starters I think I need to come more parallel to the ledge and at less of an angle. Any other tips would be greatly appreciated.
You aren't turning your hips enough. You can get into a bs tail from any angle you're comfortable with if you turn enough. When you start slipping out is when you know you're real close to the ones you can sit on and it makes the noise and everything. It feels like it, but you aren't going to overturn and end up in a switch fs crook position. Swing them hips.
thanks. will try this next time.
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switch and nollie flips. Don't think ill ever train my body to figure these outs. My switch flick is fucked.
switch and nollie flips are tough to learn by definition - everybody seems to really struggle with the switch flick at first, but once it finally clicks, you just got yourself two new great tricks. I know what it's like to postpone learning a trick that doesn't naturally come to you, and you just can't form to the point where just the mere thought of trying it feels like a waste of skate time already (I'm the same with many, including the aforementioned backside tailslide). but I'd say those two are worth it.
just try them on and off. start with the switch flip (the easiest of the two if you're just trying to figure your switch flick out), and basically trick your brain into thinking it's a normal stance kickflip. blank the switch part out on purpose and just try mimicking your regular stance motion. since you can already kickflip, from then on it should be dead easy to figure out what you're doing wrong and work on that. think of it as learning how to do a basic kickflip again, just from an uncomfortable stance. the dreaded myth of the almighty switch kickflip is just a mental construction, it's just a kickflip. just grip the board as usual and use your ankle. try maybe 5 a day or every other day, see how close you can get. keep it fun and you'll get in on lock eventually, try it at the end of your lines once it starts coming together, casual stuff like that. then the nollie flip will come by itself.
it took me years to finally learn nollie and switch flips and by then I could already do a bunch of nollie flip and heel flip variations, just not the straight, normal nollie / sw flips. I know the struggle, just saying. but once you get it down it becomes a simple and very fun trick you just can't help but do all the time, pretending you're Keenan or PJ when you really aren't.
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I have been working hard on backside tailslides lately. I’m back to where I was a long time ago when I tried learning this trick: I do an accidental suski grind before coming to a stop on the ledge. Today I did a suski grind to tail stall and rolled away which made me laugh self-pityingly while feeling kind of stoked at the same time. What do I need to do to get this trick? For starters I think I need to come more parallel to the ledge and at less of an angle. Any other tips would be greatly appreciated.
You aren't turning your hips enough. You can get into a bs tail from any angle you're comfortable with if you turn enough. When you start slipping out is when you know you're real close to the ones you can sit on and it makes the noise and everything. It feels like it, but you aren't going to overturn and end up in a switch fs crook position. Swing them hips.
When I learned them I just went to fakie and slide 6in or so, which is easier at first now I can't really go fakie. Super frustrating to learn but once you learn them theyre not bad.
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^ any tips on getting back tails to regular? Finally figured them out to fakie, needs more work, but can't do them to regs to save my life, I don't seem to physically be able to whip my lower body around enough to prevent my wheel from jamming whilst still looking forwards.
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i can pop a really nice nollie heel .. but every 1/5 tries of them, it won’t pop and the nose will stay grounded and ill jump in the air two feet .. it’s the most demoralizing feeling . then i have to look around to make sure nobody saw
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^ any tips on getting back tails to regular? Finally figured them out to fakie, needs more work, but can't do them to regs to save my life, I don't seem to physically be able to whip my lower body around enough to prevent my wheel from jamming whilst still looking forwards.
Your brain and nerves will tell you you're turning out enough, but you aren't. Over swing like you're in a cartoon. You won't over turn I promise.
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Will someone please properly explain to this regular pile of meat how to properly get into a backside smith-grind?
I can only do those ones that don't dip and grind no longer than a cunt-hair.
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^ any tips on getting back tails to regular? Finally figured them out to fakie, needs more work, but can't do them to regs to save my life, I don't seem to physically be able to whip my lower body around enough to prevent my wheel from jamming whilst still looking forwards.
Your brain and nerves will tell you you're turning out enough, but you aren't. Over swing like you're in a cartoon. You won't over turn I promise.
I find its the front shoulder/arm, keep it turned out almost looking over your shoulder type position. If that doesn't work just shuv out some days I find that easier.
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This is kind of embarrassing but i can't land heelflips for shit. i started skating a couple of years ago but spent more time on ledge and trying the weirder tricks like wallies, polejams, slappies.
I've landed a few but now that im trying to get them properly down i always land with my front foot in front of the nose and i cant fix it. I can flip them every try but my front foot just won't land it.
I really fell for skating even though i discovered it kind of late (when i was 16), so its really getting me down that i dont have a flip trick yet. Thanks for any advice you might have. x
Never had this problem, but like I've said before in this thread, don't think of it like a heel. Do an ollie except hang the toes on your front foot off the board a little. It should work itself out.
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Will someone please properly explain to this regular pile of meat how to properly get into a backside smith-grind?
I can only do those ones that don't dip and grind no longer than a cunt-hair.
I used to be good at both back side lip slides and back side smiths on ledges. Never learned front side of either very well--always more of a back side guy. When you do a back smith pretend you are going to do a back lip, but instead of turning 90 degrees just stop at whatever you need to get your back trucks on and front trucks on the side of the ledge. Also, do the ollie like a back-side shifty and land on the ledge with your front leg straight in mid shifty. The higher you ollie the less you will grind this trick when you land. If you land in the shifty pose you will grind well. If your question is for ramp I have no idea as I don't do the Monty grind. Hope this helps. I got excited cause I really liked this trick once upon a time. Maybe I will try it next time I skate the box at my local skate-lite park. Oh the horror...
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nollie flips damn it and it makes me sad
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nollie flips damn it and it makes me sad
All the dudes in my crew can nollie flip but me :-\
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nollie flips damn it and it makes me sad
All the dudes in my crew can nollie flip but me :-\
^Same haha. I swear its literally impossible.
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Switch pop shuvs.
Halfcab flips.
any switch or nollie flip.
Forever 3flips.
mydicks.
bs heels.
180 sw manuals.
Front feebles and crooks.
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Switch pop shuvs.
Halfcab flips.
any switch or nollie flip.
Forever 3flips.
mydicks.
bs heels.
180 sw manuals.
Front feebles and crooks.
Kick down not out
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nollie flips damn it and it makes me sad
There's still hope. Always had a good nollie bs flip forever but couldn't do a regular nollie flip for my life until recently. Was always envious of homies or littles kids who had em on lock. Learned em finally at age 34/35 pretty good. Could do em at the end of lines but not doin em over a gap or down stairs or anything. As far as basic ass tricks that piss me off? Always wanted to but never landed or even locked into a frontside half cab noseslide on anything, always wanted to do a really good one...
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sounds weird but think of it as a switch nollie back tail
Confession: I can only do them on tiny curbs
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Still 3flips.. at this point I can land them nollie but not regular. I can't make my front foot do the scoop-drag motion. I land with only the back foot on or both feet on the nose haha it's so frustrating.
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Ollie north, never been able to do them. At 30 years old and on the board for 16, I can say I've landed probably like 5. My friends do them with ease, while I'm over here sweating bullets trying.
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Ollie north, never been able to do them. At 30 years old and on the board for 16, I can say I've landed probably like 5. My friends do them with ease, while I'm over here sweating bullets trying.
think of it as a kickflip without the ankle flick. you ollie then kick straight off the nose, really like you would for a good kickflip but you don't use your ankle, you keep your foot stiff and solid. back foot on the board controls it by keeping it flat, to prevent flippage but really like it would for a normal ollie so you don't think about it.
Mark Renton's problem on 360 flips has to be upper body-related. if you land in front of the board, you're leaning forwards too much. upper body should be straight, perpendicular to the ground - don't bend like you're looking over your nose, sit on that back leg instead. you pop and scoop with the big toe on your back foot, over the edge. shoulders facing where you're going and you never move them or the board will fly out of control. really try using the pop too so they don't look too flat or varial kickflippish. then don't turn your hips either and aim for the bolts (sounds dumb but for this trick it really works). if you keep landing in front of the nose, try leaning back more. if (like me) you're not a natural at that trick then yes it can get frustrating, but it's really worth it when you get it down. I know I've always refused to learn it without the pop, like most kids do them (which seems to enable them to do them super easily, but personally I've never liked that look, I kind of like the struggle on those).
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I landed a few yesterday. I think I was messing up:
- back foot placement, toes needed to be more on the tail
- shoulders needed to be parallel
It might have been the slippery ground and/or the new bushings (realized I was skating with exploded ones) but I'm stoked. First 3flips in years!
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that's funny you just got them back after you changed your bushings because coincidentally I just changed mine too and got flatground switch 360 flips back yesterday too (hadn't done a good one in maybe 14 years not counting flatbanks, on which they are easier), also on slippery ground but that's a start. back foot placement is key. I also just very recently understood how crucial guiding your tail around with your big toe throughout the whole pop was, in a way that feels almost like an impossible rather than a pop shove-it if that makes sense. makes the concave stick to the front foot so you can get the flip a lot better.
Kalis just posted a clip of a dude doing one with super exaggerated back foot action on IG, it starts off looking silly then he gets mad pop and good form out of it, it's crazy:
https://instagram.com/p/Bi3Lp-NlikF/
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how close to the ledge are you supposed to be for backside tailslides on the approach? I keep landing on top of the ledge with either half my truck or both wheels. I don’t know if I need to approach from further away or turn it differently in the air. some people look really close as they approach.
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how close to the ledge are you supposed to be for backside tailslides on the approach? I keep landing on top of the ledge with either half my truck or both wheels. I don’t know if I need to approach from further away or turn it differently in the air. some people look really close as they approach.
Depends on how you approach it. If you come at an angle and swing into it you're going to want to be farther away. Your problem sounds like you're riding pretty parallel with it and you do your turning in the air, so you want to be close but not close enough to land like you are. Getting your wheels on top also comes from combining the two approaches where you ride parallel and swing, or come at an angle and ollie straight. You have to pick one. I'd say keep doing what you're doing but play around with how far from the ledge you should be. It's a matter of like halves of inches.
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Backside flip, I neverd rolled away, I can Bs 180 all day but not with the flip.
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man i suck at feeble grinds
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that's funny you just got them back after you changed your bushings because coincidentally I just changed mine too and got flatground switch 360 flips back yesterday too (hadn't done a good one in maybe 14 years not counting flatbanks, on which they are easier), also on slippery ground but that's a start. back foot placement is key. I also just very recently understood how crucial guiding your tail around with your big toe throughout the whole pop was, in a way that feels almost like an impossible rather than a pop shove-it if that makes sense. makes the concave stick to the front foot so you can get the flip a lot better.
Kalis just posted a clip of a dude doing one with super exaggerated back foot action on IG, it starts off looking silly then he gets mad pop and good form out of it, it's crazy:
https://instagram.com/p/Bi3Lp-NlikF/
really appreciate this kind of super in depth discussion about the actual act of skating, great tip on the switch tre
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Front shove-it. I used to do them where I had to jump backward towards my heels like 4 feet, which just looks so nauseatingly atrocious that I refuse to ever do one like that ever again.
I’ve been trying to land a nice one that stays under me for about a year and have not landed a single one. I can do a fair amount of flip tricks but something about the back foot motion is so mysterious and baffling. The whole pop-straight-toe-push thing is so simple, yet I struggle with it.
Recently I’ve got the motion dialed-in and I keep the board under me but my back foot simply refuses to get back on the board. So now I have to somehow confront the reality that at a very deep, subconscious level I am too big of a pussy to land a front shuvit on flat. It’s humiliating and enraging beyond belief, haha.
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Front shove-it. I used to do them where I had to jump backward towards my heels like 4 feet, which just looks so nauseatingly atrocious that I refuse to ever do one like that ever again.
I’ve been trying to land a nice one that stays under me for about a year and have not landed a single one. I can do a fair amount of flip tricks but something about the back foot motion is so mysterious and baffling. The whole pop-straight-toe-push thing is so simple, yet I struggle with it.
Recently I’ve got the motion dialed-in and I keep the board under me but my back foot simply refuses to get back on the board. So now I have to somehow confront the reality that at a very deep, subconscious level I am too big of a pussy to land a front shuvit on flat. It’s humiliating and enraging beyond belief, haha.
don't scoop for front shoves, although the way the trick works on paper makes it sound like you should, the scoop on those is a waste of energy and balance. just pop straight down, super hard and the board will spring right up till it meets your front foot for the catch. that's how I've fine-tuned mine over time at least and honestly I think that's how I can make them look the most proper; plus it's practical too because then you can occasionally get some stupid high ones with that technique. it's really just brute force then front foot catch. the board will be more prone to try and flip though, so you might land primo occasionally at first when you're figuring it out.
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If you pop straight down, how does it start rotating frontside?
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I guess due to the initial foot positioning? back foot in the pocket should be enough to throw the axis off. just have your big toe in the right spot. front foot doesn't move, you just suck your leg up and the board will come around and meet it. also kind of sit back like you would for a heelflip and make sure to keep your upper body straight and centered the whole time so you stay in control.
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Going to put some time in today on them. Hopefully your method works. Can’t wait to finally figure these things out.
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I just learned FS shuvits. I find that it is a trick you don't need to pop. I like to shuffle this trick. Try to pop off the nose as the tail. That seems to be easier than off the tail. Set up with your front foot in heel flip position. Back foot toe should be in the middle of the tail (nose in tail position). When you pop don't jump high. Instead, push you back foot sideways and slightly forward on the pop and grab the tail of the board as quickly as possible with your back foot. Your front foot should already be on your board if shuffled properly. Watch old Rick Howard videos as he has a nonchalant front side shuvit. It's the ultimate steezy trick. Recently I moved my deck size from 8" to 8.5" and it made FS shuvits easier to perform. Makes the board less likely to flip.
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Not sure if it helps but I find front shuvs to be easier when you don't think or care about it, and just kinda do it
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Not sure if it helps but I find front shuvs skateboarding to be easier when you don't think or care about it, and just kinda do it
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Ollie. Yup, I said it! Just got back on the board after almost a decade off. I can get up curbs and ledges, and even ollie manual some little pads, but if I'm just rolling around ollieing for fun, it looks like shit right now. Can't wait to clean it up.
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Ollie. Yup, I said it! Just got back on the board after almost a decade off. I can get up curbs and ledges, and even ollie manual some little pads, but if I'm just rolling around ollieing for fun, it looks like shit right now. Can't wait to clean it up.
I went through the exact same thing. Was off the board for about 10 years also, something that I regret everyday. It was embarrassing at first (and sometimes still is) but it’s been equally fun and frustrating getting all my tricks back.
It’s interesting now that I’m older and have more patience so I am cleaning up lots of old bad habits with tricks and learning brand new ones.
I remember being shocked that 7.75 is now considered really small and 7.5s are almost nonexistent
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regular front shuv
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bs 180's I want mine to look sick but they look hurting when filmed
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regular front shuv
Same here. I stopped trying a long time ago on these. but backside is my bread and butter regs/switch.
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Same here. I stopped trying a long time ago on these. but backside is my bread and butter regs/switch.
It’s so nice not being the only one. We should start a front shove support group. I have sunk so many hours upon hours upon hours upon hours, ad infinititum trying to land that stupid fucking trick.
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Not the most basic but someone please tell me how the fuck a smith grind works. I would like to do one before i die and I’m already 30.
I can occasionally get into them but then my body weight just pushes the nose down to the ground and then it’s over
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Ollie. Yup, I said it! Just got back on the board after almost a decade off. I can get up curbs and ledges, and even ollie manual some little pads, but if I'm just rolling around ollieing for fun, it looks like shit right now. Can't wait to clean it up.
I went through the exact same thing. Was off the board for about 10 years also, something that I regret everyday. It was embarrassing at first (and sometimes still is) but it’s been equally fun and frustrating getting all my tricks back.
It’s interesting now that I’m older and have more patience so I am cleaning up lots of old bad habits with tricks and learning brand new ones.
I remember being shocked that 7.75 is now considered really small and 7.5s are almost nonexistent
Lol I quit for 6 years and learning all that has changed was a trip
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Not the most basic but someone please tell me how the fuck a smith grind works. I would like to do one before i die and I’m already 30.
I can occasionally get into them but then my body weight just pushes the nose down to the ground and then it’s over
Can you do 5-0s? They are similar in that all the weight lies on the backfoot. Having your weight evenly distributed will make you push the nose down. Ollieing too high into the grind will also make you stick and push the nose down. For smithgrinds you also have to lean back and push the grind.
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^ this guy has it. Lean back enough to where if you goof it you'll go into lipslide and push it in front of you, rather than dumping it below you and sticking forward.
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water fire air and earth fuckin layback grinds how do they work
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bs pop shove. i can do bs shuvs with no pop and front shoves no problem, but bs shove with pop makes no sense to me. i guess i don't really understand how to get a clean pop that will send the board upwards but spin it at the same time. someone please help
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I’m the exact opposite. I just startes being able to land nice front shoves that stay under me. The only way I can think to describe the motion for bs shoves is to combine the non-popped motion with the pop you’d give an Ollie. Sort of a 45 degree pop towards your heel side.
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heelflips, so hard. switch or nollie no problem though.
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bs pop shove. i can do bs shuvs with no pop and front shoves no problem, but bs shove with pop makes no sense to me. i guess i don't really understand how to get a clean pop that will send the board upwards but spin it at the same time. someone please help
I suspect you learned them not too long ago and are almost clawing the toeside of the tail? I also suspect that the board flips when you try to do a popped one? If that is the case I think your backfoot is in the wrong position. You have to put it in the center of the tail.
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bs pop shove. i can do bs shuvs with no pop and front shoves no problem, but bs shove with pop makes no sense to me. i guess i don't really understand how to get a clean pop that will send the board upwards but spin it at the same time. someone please help
I suspect you learned them not too long ago and are almost clawing the toeside of the tail? I also suspect that the board flips when you try to do a popped one? If that is the case I think your backfoot is in the wrong position. You have to put it in the center of the tail.
bingo
going to try this next time i skate, you're a hero
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heelflips, so hard. switch or nollie no problem though.
I was trying both last night and felt completely lost :'(
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I cannot switch or nollie heelflip to save my life. I've never really come close and I've been trying frequently for a long time. I'm a natural regular heelflipper with god awful kickflips, and I can do switch (and nollie I'm sorry) varial heels and nollie bs heels but not straight ones at all. Everyone else seems to be able to do them.
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Primos, too many near death experiences.
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I cannot switch or nollie heelflip to save my life. I've never really come close and I've been trying frequently for a long time. I'm a natural regular heelflipper with god awful kickflips, and I can do switch (and nollie I'm sorry) varial heels and nollie bs heels but not straight ones at all. Everyone else seems to be able to do them.
probably has to do with your posture before you pop. open posture with shoulders and toes facing the direction you're going (if nollie; facing backwards if switch) equals switch (or nollie) varial heel. for a straight nollie heel, your shoulders should be parallel to the board and your feet perpendicular to its length, with more of them inside the concave than if you were trying it with the extra rotation. although uncommon looking, Mike Carroll's flatground nollie heel in the Chaos section of 411VM Best-Of 5 will give you the right idea (would post a link if my Internet wasn't being dumb right now). if anything, the straight ones have more similarities to frontside nollie heelflips than to backside ones if that makes sense; it's not uncommon to shifty them frontside at first (not unlike nollies with no flip). make sure you actually level that nollie out before you flick, too; nollie varial and backside heels you kick out almost as soon as you pop, nollie heels you don't (otherwise that's when they spring up your ass).
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^I'm not good at nollie heel too, but switch heel works if I really bend my knees down, it gives the pop/time needed for it to flip
edit : maybe I should try the same approach for nollie heels, holy fuck ^^
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Been doing nollie/sw heels for years now, they're still awful, usually bounce off the ground. Nollie/sw inwards are so much easier. I have to skate with a brace so I don't think I can get the proper flick for a straight flip, but the inward version is more of a straight kick out so it works a bit better. Sucks though, would trade those any day for straight nollie/sw heels. Nollie bs/sw fs heels and sw v heels don't work either, cannot create the motion of that type of flip at all no matter how hard I try, you'd think those are easier than the inward motion(sw bs heel, nollie fs heel etc) too :/
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I feel like I can sympathize with people with MS whenever I try a Millie or switch heel. My body just literally will. Not. Do. It.
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allemande left, an allemande right, come on you fuckin dummy get your right step right,
get off stage goddamn dude ya know! piss me off, fuckin jerk get on my nerves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX6ggRByE8g
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I cannot switch or nollie heelflip to save my life. I've never really come close and I've been trying frequently for a long time. I'm a natural regular heelflipper with god awful kickflips, and I can do switch (and nollie I'm sorry) varial heels and nollie bs heels but not straight ones at all. Everyone else seems to be able to do them.
probably has to do with your posture before you pop. open posture with shoulders and toes facing the direction you're going (if nollie; facing backwards if switch) equals switch (or nollie) varial heel. for a straight nollie heel, your shoulders should be parallel to the board and your feet perpendicular to its length, with more of them inside the concave than if you were trying it with the extra rotation. although uncommon looking, Mike Carroll's flatground nollie heel in the Chaos section of 411VM Best-Of 5 will give you the right idea (would post a link if my Internet wasn't being dumb right now). if anything, the straight ones have more similarities to frontside nollie heelflips than to backside ones if that makes sense; it's not uncommon to shifty them frontside at first (not unlike nollies with no flip). make sure you actually level that nollie out before you flick, too; nollie varial and backside heels you kick out almost as soon as you pop, nollie heels you don't (otherwise that's when they spring up your ass).
The more I try to wait on the pop I always end up air balling, and if I do it before it's the most rocketed up-your-ass shit I've ever seen
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Just learned sw heel decently in the past couple years, what finally did it for me was kicking my back foot out, it keeps the board straight and prevents it from going rocket. when i pop, my back foot leaves the tail and instead of coming straight up, i kick it out to the side, like on a front shov but without the scoop. It's basically a form if mental compensation that keeps my shoulders square to the board.
Anything big flip is my kryptonite.
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Backside Tailslides in Transition. Whenever I try one of them my body overrotates and does a backtail revert. Can't keep em straight
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for heelflips what helped me was hanging my foot off more for regular and hardly hanging it off at all for nollie
also i find it you angle your back foot kinda like a switchflip when you pop regular heelflip they suck up for your feet better
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Nollie flip/heel, switch heel (I know they're not too basic, but I feel like I should have them by now haha)
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When I was skating today I thought to myself:try some half cab flips...there was no way for me to land one!
the board lands behind me,every time I got
the rotation perfect!
When I tried to stay over the board I did some weird forward flip thing,or the board just flipped half way.
It’s weird,because I’m pretty good at backside flips.
Can someone help me with this problem?
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wind up more than you would with a backside flip and focus on the fakie flip
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Bs krooked..
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tips on regs heelflips would be nice. ankles kinda fucked so can't kickflip, need an alternative.
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i think heelflips can be done in so many different ways. my way is front foot perfectly perpendicular, just behind bolts, with toes hanging off so that my heel is flush with the backside edge of the board. back foot slightly towards the backside pocket of the tail. most weight distributed over front foot is the key part that prevents the classic rocket heelflip action. then it's all fucking with the timing and direction of the kick.
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I can do front half cabs but not regular ones.
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I can do front half cabs but not regular ones.
pivot when you're popping
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I can do front half cabs but not regular ones.
Thanks! I'll give it a try.
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I can do front half cabs but not regular ones.
Thanks! I'll give it a try.
Have your shoulders and head at 90 when you pop, and fully rotated 180 when your board is at 90
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Back 360s plz. I tried the scoop suggestion like an impossible but my body doesnt come all the way around with it and it ends up like a bigspin and my board hits me in the ankles.
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i do not know if that still is considered a basic ass trick,
but how can you do switch fs tailslides? it's beyond me
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i do not know if that still is considered a basic ass trick,
but how can you do switch fs tailslides? it's beyond me
You’re going to want to do a frontside tailslide but stand in the opposite stance than what you would normally ride in. So if you are left foot forward (we call that Regz) you would ride with your right foot forward (known as goofy). From there you want to pop, rotate 90 degrees like a frontside 180, but put your tail down and slide on the obstacle.
From there, just pop out and ride away clean. Hope that helps. Don’t get frustrated and just have fun learning new tricks!
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i do not know if that still is considered a basic ass trick,
but how can you do switch fs tailslides? it's beyond me
Start learning them coming at the ledge at a pretty big angle and swing a big ol switch frontside 180 at it. Once you get comfortable landing in them you can start adjusting your angle of approach to get better slides.
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any tips on big ol' popped sw fs 180, sfb? much appreciated.
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any tips on big ol' popped sw fs 180, sfb? much appreciated.
Treat your shoulders and weight distribution like you're doing a halfcab, and don't focus entirely on your business foot because you have to keep your popping foot on the tail and get it nice and leveled out when you're learning to get your tail on the ledge.
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Love reading all those tips! Any pointers on backside Smiths?
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Love reading all those tips! Any pointers on backside Smiths?
I wrote about this trick on page 8. Have not done one in years but I don’t think the mechanics have changed. It’s hard to explain how you have had success but it’s fun to try to. Have fun.
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I can do front half cabs but not regular ones.
Thanks! I'll give it a try.
Have your shoulders and head at 90 when you pop, and fully rotated 180 when your board is at 90
Tried this with my front 180s which and they were much better rotated. I really have a bad habit of not paying attention to my shoulders enough.
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i do not know if that still is considered a basic ass trick,
but how can you do switch fs tailslides? it's beyond me
As soon as I pop I like to think of it like getting into a noseslide, which makes it less intimidating in my mind. Also I try to bring my sliding foot up as far as I can to over exaggerate the leveling out motion and make sure I get my nose high enough to get on the ledge. I'd suggest practicing switch 180's and really try to throw your weight around to level them out good. Hope this helps.
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switch frontside boardslides !! i went skating this morning and landed one first try!such a great feeling! 8)
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Nollie flips!!! :'( I've got nollie tres, nollie varial flips and a good straight nollie but for some reason over the 17 years I've been skating, I've never been able to get a clean nollie flip, whenever I do one they are pure worm burners and just bounce off the ground..
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Nollie flips!!! :'( I've got nollie tres, nollie varial flips and a good straight nollie but for some reason over the 17 years I've been skating, I've never been able to get a clean nollie flip, whenever I do one they are pure worm burners and just bounce off the ground..
Random question but can you do nollie backside flips at all? Or do you have the same problem with those? The way I position myself then pop and flick for a nollie flip (thinking front foot position, specifically) has more to do with how I'd pop a nollie backside flip than a nollie varial or 360 flip. Something with how nollie backside flips force you to pop straight and actually flick out behind you, when for nollie varial flip or 360 flip you actually just kind of kick the board and barely move your flicking foot. Maybe you just need to practice the flick. Try forcing yourself to do one of your good nollies with less of your back foot on the board, then flicking at the peak of the jump. Remember that just like you do on nollies, for nollie flips you also have to pop using the forwards direction momentum and jump towards the tail if that makes sense. I hope you eventually figure them out (they also took me forever to get right), they're a fun trick.
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whenever I do one they are pure worm burners and just bounce off the ground..
these are my shit
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Nollie flips!!! :'( I've got nollie tres, nollie varial flips and a good straight nollie but for some reason over the 17 years I've been skating, I've never been able to get a clean nollie flip, whenever I do one they are pure worm burners and just bounce off the ground..
Random question but can you do nollie backside flips at all? Or do you have the same problem with those? The way I position myself then pop and flick for a nollie flip (thinking front foot position, specifically) has more to do with how I'd pop a nollie backside flip than a nollie varial or 360 flip. Something with how nollie backside flips force you to pop straight and actually flick out behind you, when for nollie varial flip or 360 flip you actually just kind of kick the board and barely move your flicking foot. Maybe you just need to practice the flick. Try forcing yourself to do one of your good nollies with less of your back foot on the board, then flicking at the peak of the jump. Remember that just like you do on nollies, for nollie flips you also have to pop using the forwards direction momentum and jump towards the tail if that makes sense. I hope you eventually figure them out (they also took me forever to get right), they're a fun trick.
I can do nollie frontside flips now and again but I don't think I've ever actually landed a nollie backside flip.. But yeah you're right, its definitely something to do with my weak back foot flick as like you say, when doing nollie tre or varial flip it doesn't actually require much flick from the back foot. I'll work with those pointers and get back to you on it. One of my favourite tricks to watch people do clean.
Thanks for taking the time to give your thoughts. :)
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whenever I do one they are pure worm burners and just bounce off the ground..
these are my shit
Hilarious in a game of skate I must say, everyone gets a laugh when I actually roll away from it. ;D
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My nollie flips still aren't great but once I started paying more attention to lifting my front foot straight up I started landing more and they started looking better.
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pretty close to getting front bigspins, the only problem I'm having is that I consistently catch them one-footed as the board is going behind me. "behind" meaning it sort of stays in place when I pop while my body moves forward (naturally, because of forward momentum), i don't mean behind in the sense people usually do where tricks shoot out in the direction of their ass.
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front shuv. literally no clue how to get that thing to spin frontside. also tips on how i can stop rotating my shoulders open during kickflips would be much appreciated
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front shuv. literally no clue how to get that thing to spin frontside. also tips on how i can stop rotating my shoulders open during kickflips would be much appreciated
I do/did the same. Start with your front hand in front of you, but land with it behind you but keep your shoulder aligned with your hip. It makes you kind of swing your shoulder in front of you but stay straight. It took a minute to not feel super weird but it works for me so far.
I'm old so I scoop my front shoves.
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front shuv.
same here, although i have no problem with making the board rotate, the only issue is that i can't keep the board under me and i usually land either in a nose manual and the board shoots out or with my heels on the board and my toes on the ground. shit, i can varial heel better than i can front shove. i can do them in fakie and nollie well but regular and switch is beyond me.
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front shuv. literally no clue how to get that thing to spin frontside. also tips on how i can stop rotating my shoulders open during kickflips would be much appreciated
Just to learn what the motions will feel like, do them on a deck on some carpet. Extrapolate from there.
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i learned shovits trying in the grass :P
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front shuv. literally no clue how to get that thing to spin frontside. also tips on how i can stop rotating my shoulders open during kickflips would be much appreciated
I do/did the same. Start with your front hand in front of you, but land with it behind you but keep your shoulder aligned with your hip. It makes you kind of swing your shoulder in front of you but stay straight. It took a minute to not feel super weird but it works for me so far.
I'm old so I scoop my front shoves.
so like if i'm regular, i put my left hand pointing forwards, at whatever i'm skating towards, flip, and i land with my left arm behind my back, hand pointing at whatever is behind me? is that what you're saying?
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front shuv. literally no clue how to get that thing to spin frontside. also tips on how i can stop rotating my shoulders open during kickflips would be much appreciated
I do/did the same. Start with your front hand in front of you, but land with it behind you but keep your shoulder aligned with your hip. It makes you kind of swing your shoulder in front of you but stay straight. It took a minute to not feel super weird but it works for me so far.
I'm old so I scoop my front shoves.
so like if i'm regular, i put my left hand pointing forwards, at whatever i'm skating towards, flip, and i land with my left arm behind my back, hand pointing at whatever is behind me? is that what you're saying?
It doesn't have to be these big grand gestures of pointing at stuff, it more just compensates for how we naturally open our shoulders up and turn. It forces you to stay more straight by countering that natural open turn. If you look at natural kickflippers like Reynolds or Herman or whoever you'll see that dudes like them have their arm at their side/more behind them when they land vs. guys like us who have our arms in front of us in an almost defensive posture when we land.
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I always land kickflips with my left hand behind me, just sayin' 8)
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TRE FLIPS. I just can’t get em good! I’ve been skating since 09 and I rarely get a clean one.
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Almost 15 years of skating clocked in and I'm still trying to do nose manuals
8 years for me and I still can’t do em either
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Heel flips and front smiths
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Sw back 180s?
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Sw back 180s?
I scoop and pivot (in the air I have dignity) around my front foot while looking at my board the whole time
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Sw back 180s?
i learned them in the air first but learning the powerslide version made the ollies more consistent. just to get used to your body doing that motion, push fast on flat [or find a little hill] and commit to whipping around sw bs.
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I can't do ninja ollie or whatever it's called. And I don't want some eccentric instagram one but I just to clear some long and high stuff
Heelflip is my favorite thing, sometimes I can do really good one and sometimes It's just awful rocket heel. The lack of consistency is annoying. Also I tend to think too much about it, like every position possible and I think it's not really good, mess with my head.
Can't do varial heel. Everytime I try I just end up with a rocket one and I don't even land on it. To me this is the most beautiful trick ever so it pisses me off.
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water fire air and earth fucking bs powerslides how do they work and i dont wanna talk to no gx1000 shit yall muthafuckas lying and gettin me pissed
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for the varial heel problem it sounds like you're thinking about the front foot too much. that trick is all in the back foot, pop straight down and hard. front foot barely moves, you just kind of kick it out of the way but you mostly just extend your leg. stay over that back leg and jump.
for backside powerslides just go fast, maybe start turning slightly frontside at first then just lean into them pushing on your legs to break the momentum
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Basic ass tricks that piss you off
...a straight clean ollie in flat without obstacles. I`m way over the basics, but 6 of 10 ollies are shit.
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Basic ass tricks that piss you off
...a straight clean ollie in flat without obstacles. I`m way over the basics, but 6 of 10 ollies are shit.
That has to be the same for everyone...I think we all need something to get over to make them clean
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Might not be the most basic, but I didnt want to start a new thread. Anybody has tips on bs 360s? I can spin them, but my feet always land next to each other and one is off the board. Am I just too scared to commit or is there a trick to the landing? Landed some 270s on hips before, but I cant seem to get this shit on flat. Any help would be appreciated.
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Might not be the most basic, but I didnt want to start a new thread. Anybody has tips on bs 360s? I can spin them, but my feet always land next to each other and one is off the board. Am I just too scared to commit or is there a trick to the landing? Landed some 270s on hips before, but I cant seem to get this shit on flat. Any help would be appreciated.
They're all in the big toe on your back foot. Have it hanging off the corner of the tail with your foot at a slight angle, as much as, if not more than you would do for a 360 flip. Your big toe controls the whole rotation and is pretty much the only part of your body that has to remain attached to the board (hence why so many one-footers on backside 360 ollies). You have to jump into the spin upper body first, watching footage frame by frame (not that I'd ever do that post 2004) it's not usual to see the upper body of the skater just about to complete the first 180 before they've even popped; in that pose their body appears twisted before the hips and legs get to catch up. If you've got the full rotation down the landing should be no problem, your back foot should keep the board flat and under you as you spin. If the board flies away you're either not committed enough to the spin, trying to turn your shoulders too late, or are short on the rotation. The most painful problem with that trick is when you start landing on your first few and eat shit with the board shooting out because you still have to figure out the feel of it. It's a lot going on at first. Learning it step hop (no comply) also helps tremendously.
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Might not be the most basic, but I didnt want to start a new thread. Anybody has tips on bs 360s? I can spin them, but my feet always land next to each other and one is off the board. Am I just too scared to commit or is there a trick to the landing? Landed some 270s on hips before, but I cant seem to get this shit on flat. Any help would be appreciated.
They're all in the big toe on your back foot. Have it hanging off the corner of the tail with your foot at a slight angle, as much as, if not more than you would do for a 360 flip. Your big toe controls the whole rotation and is pretty much the only part of your body that has to remain attached to the board (hence why so many one-footers on backside 360 ollies). You have to jump into the spin upper body first, watching footage frame by frame (not that I'd ever do that post 2004) it's not usual to see the upper body of the skater just about to complete the first 180 before they've even popped; in that pose their body appears twisted before the hips and legs get to catch up. If you've got the full rotation down the landing should be no problem, your back foot should keep the board flat and under you as you spin. If the board flies away you're either not committed enough to the spin, trying to turn your shoulders too late, or are short on the rotation. The most painful problem with that trick is when you start landing on your first few and eat shit with the board shooting out because you still have to figure out the feel of it. It's a lot going on at first. Learning it step hop (no comply) also helps tremendously.
Thank you, I got the no comply down and I thought I have the rotation pretty much as well. Going to focus more on my back foot. As with the bs tailslide I have been trying this one for years ;)
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Might not be the most basic, but I didnt want to start a new thread. Anybody has tips on bs 360s? I can spin them, but my feet always land next to each other and one is off the board. Am I just too scared to commit or is there a trick to the landing? Landed some 270s on hips before, but I cant seem to get this shit on flat. Any help would be appreciated.
They're all in the big toe on your back foot. Have it hanging off the corner of the tail with your foot at a slight angle, as much as, if not more than you would do for a 360 flip. Your big toe controls the whole rotation and is pretty much the only part of your body that has to remain attached to the board (hence why so many one-footers on backside 360 ollies). You have to jump into the spin upper body first, watching footage frame by frame (not that I'd ever do that post 2004) it's not usual to see the upper body of the skater just about to complete the first 180 before they've even popped; in that pose their body appears twisted before the hips and legs get to catch up. If you've got the full rotation down the landing should be no problem, your back foot should keep the board flat and under you as you spin. If the board flies away you're either not committed enough to the spin, trying to turn your shoulders too late, or are short on the rotation. The most painful problem with that trick is when you start landing on your first few and eat shit with the board shooting out because you still have to figure out the feel of it. It's a lot going on at first. Learning it step hop (no comply) also helps tremendously.
Thank you, I got the no comply down and I thought I have the rotation pretty much as well. Going to focus more on my back foot. As with the bs tailslide I have been trying this one for years ;)
Back 3's are my favourite trick! theyre so rad when you figure them out. the advice above is spot on.
if you have them good on hips you shouldnt be too far off getting them straight. just fuckin Jump with it! none of that back 180 to 180 pivot nonsense
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if back 3s are a basic trick then they all piss me off
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I can't do ninja ollie or whatever it's called. And I don't want some eccentric instagram one but I just to clear some long and high stuff
Heelflip is my favorite thing, sometimes I can do really good one and sometimes It's just awful rocket heel. The lack of consistency is annoying. Also I tend to think too much about it, like every position possible and I think it's not really good, mess with my head.
Can't do varial heel. Everytime I try I just end up with a rocket one and I don't even land on it. To me this is the most beautiful trick ever so it pisses me off.
For varial heel your front foot should be around the middle of the board, maybe slightly closer to the front bolts than the back, your back foot should have your toes on the "corner" of your tail, kind of where you'd have 'em for a front shuv but a little further behind you, when you pop, back foot does a front shuv motion while the front foot kicks out diagonally
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I can do rock to fakie s but I detest them and never do them.
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Heelflips, fuck heelflips.
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i learned to skate tranny in some super steep 5 foot mini and i was always too scared to axle stall it.. rock fakie was way easier for me. now i can't back fifty for shit on any type of mini ramp or bowl. i get a few here and there but it's a huge block for me. i'd trade rock fakies for the axle stalls if i could
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Heelflips, fuck heelflips.
front foot just behind the bolts, toes over the side a lil, ball of your back foot in the heel side of the pocket, pop it like a normal ollie
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I can do rock to fakie s but I detest them and never do them.
im super comfortable doing rock to fakie and coming in fakie in general. fakie rock to regular on the other hand is a nightmare for me these days which is a problem since it makes disasters and lip slides practically undoable for me too.
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Frontside slappies - I do backside ones all the time and they’re super easy, but I can’t figure out how to get on and lock in frontside. I managed to do it one night while skating on mushrooms and thought I had it figured out, but when I came back the day after it was completely gone.
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Regular manuals with the tail. I'm coming back to skating after a big break. I used to skate regularly in the 80s but I never actually tried manuals back then. I'm trying them now for the first time and I'm not having much success. I'm doing what tutorial videos suggest and using marks on the ground etc to cue when it's time to lift my front wheels. I noticed a few times later on in the session where I could sometimes keep the front wheels lifted for longer but don't know if that's just luck.
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Boardslides on rails. Frontside or backside, doesn't matter. I always do a little kiss-the-rail to fakie, so it's essentially just a front 180 with my deck tapping the rail for back boardslides, or a back 180 for front boards. I can do front lips back to regular and fakie lips back to fakie, but I can't get that shifty motion back to regular when approaching it that way. I'm also afraid to commit to a longer slide because I slip out every time I go for it and cannot get my weight right. Forget about a handrail or even a kinked flatbar. I generally skip the rails and go for ledges
I also lost kickflips this year for some reason. Can tre, hardflip, and frontside flip fine (backside flips kinda fuck with me too), but haven't landed a normal kickflip in months. Never been able to heelflip either, despite varial heels being one of my go-to flat tricks.
Use your leading arm to guide you
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never had back crooks very good, then blew out my knee on one and refuse to try them since.
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Anyone have some insight on nollie flips? I’ve struggled with them for years.
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Anyone have some insight on nollie flips? I’ve struggled with them for years.
i struggle with em too but ill land one now and then. it helps me to practice my switch flick even when im not skating. just flicking the carpet with my weak foot under my desk at work.
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Anyone have some insight on nollie flips? I’ve struggled with them for years.
Do them like a switch fakie flip, if that is not too stoopid an answer (it works for me, keeps my shoulders straight).
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Not a basic trick by any means but what's the deal with sw 360flips? I surprisingly have no problem with the flick it's just that I tend to go bodyvarial when I try them. Silhouette? haha
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Anyone have some insight on nollie flips? I’ve struggled with them for years.
i struggle with em too but ill land one now and then. it helps me to practice my switch flick even when im not skating. just flicking the carpet with my weak foot under my desk at work.
someone tld me long ago you gotta push your nose out in front of you. totally worked for me. Aim to make your nose connect with the pavement a good 6-8 inches ahead og where you are, not just straight down. makes the other foots flick a shit tonne less effortful and they seem to pop up higher too
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Not a basic trick by any means but what's the deal with sw 360flips? I surprisingly have no problem with the flick it's just that I tend to go bodyvarial when I try them. Silhouette? haha
yeah that's the most common problem, how good are you at straight sw flip tricks already? if you do a lot of them you'll start learning how to naturally keep your shoulders parallel to the board on switch tricks, as opposed to spontaneously try to revert back to your 'safer' regular stance (which I think is what you brain tries to get you to do in such instances). if you can nollie 360 flip on flat, try doing switch 360 flips on banks first maybe, they're pretty much the exact same thing and will help you get the feel of staying over the board so you can build confidence. that's what I did trying to relearn them this summer and after a while I could just do them on flat easily. I've been doing switch impossibles for 18 years too; occasionally I'll trick my brain into thinking I'm about to do one although I'm set up and then flick for a sw 360 flip, and that seems to make me stay over the board on the worst skate days when I normally wouldn't. also pop with the big toe, keep your upper body parallel and don't lean forwards. hope that helps
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Anyone have some insight on nollie flips? I’ve struggled with them for years.
i struggle with em too but ill land one now and then. it helps me to practice my switch flick even when im not skating. just flicking the carpet with my weak foot under my desk at work.
someone tld me long ago you gotta push your nose out in front of you. totally worked for me. Aim to make your nose connect with the pavement a good 6-8 inches ahead og where you are, not just straight down. makes the other foots flick a shit tonne less effortful and they seem to pop up higher too
that's a good tip... will try and keep that in mind
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What's the secret to pop shuvs?
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What's the secret to pop shuvs?
all in the back foot, middle of your tail (stay away from the pocket). your front foot chills
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Seems like I can no longer do board slides. Back in the 80s, this was an easy trick. Worked perfectly the first time I tried it (with plastic rib bones on my Powell Peralta.) A few decades later (today) I tried the very same trick on a brand new board with no rib bones and could not slide at all. Now obviously, bare wood is not going to slide as well as plastic but I was expecting some slide at least but I didn't even get a millimeter. I can swivel the board on the curb while stationary so that shows that it's slideable at least. But when I approach at medium speed and mount the curb, I come to a complete stop.
Annoying because I remember this was a really fun trick.
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Seems like I can no longer do board slides. Back in the 80s, this was an easy trick. Worked perfectly the first time I tried it (with plastic rib bones on my Powell Peralta.) A few decades later (today) I tried the very same trick on a brand new board with no rib bones and could not slide at all. Now obviously, bare wood is not going to slide as well as plastic but I was expecting some slide at least but I didn't even get a millimeter. I can swivel the board on the curb while stationary so that shows that it's slideable at least. But when I approach at medium speed and mount the curb, I come to a complete stop.
Annoying because I remember this was a really fun trick.
More speed and/or a bit of wax.
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does anyone have tips for switch front bigspins? started trying to get em around last night and once i got the foot positioning down i could whip it around fairly quick and get the front foot on but when i actually try to commit and jump for it then it fucks up and or flips
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does anyone have tips for switch front bigspins? started trying to get em around last night and once i got the foot positioning down i could whip it around fairly quick and get the front foot on but when i actually try to commit and jump for it then it fucks up and or flips
all in the back foot. front foot does nothing but getting out of the way. body centered, weight distributed over the back foot in sw front pop position in the corner of the tail, pop the meanest sw front pop you can all the while turning your shoulders and try kicking in front of you with your back foot to help guide the board around. pop even harder than you normally would because you want the board to over-rotate after all, you can use that momentum to go even higher than on sw f/s shuvs. if done proper you should catch the board under your front foot at the peak of the trick then late 180 but you'll probably revert of your first few ones on the ground. focus on popping then catching that sw f/s shove as hard as you can then your upper body rotation will bring your hips back around. stomp that shit
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I got problems with the board flipping when trying 360 shuvs, big spins etc.
Tips?
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Switch front shuv
FS 50-50 on tranny or ledges
FS 5-0, BS 5-0 on ledges
Fakie 50-50 any way on anything
Reg Heelflip / Fakie Heelflip
Reg FS flip
Reg FS 180 pisses me off to no end cause i dont think I ever rolled away from one and felt even remotely satisfied.
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Fuck kickflips I hate them. Heelflips all day
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I got problems with the board flipping when trying 360 shuvs, big spins etc.
Tips?
I have this problem a lot because I learned 360 flips before anything else. I still struggle with not flipping stuff but I had to completely take my toes out of the equation. I set up more like a heelflip and make sure my front leg just comes straight up instead of out. I started doing that thing the kids do with bigspins where they kind of keep their front foot angled like they're ollieing and it helps a bit. Keeps it more stuck to my foot and prevents it from flipping.
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also a tip on 360 shoves, don't do them
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No matter what I do, every time I lock into a backtail I slip out onto my face.Somebody please help.
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I got problems with the board flipping when trying 360 shuvs, big spins etc.
Tips?
keep that front foot hovering as close to board as possible, i.e. you're doing all the jump w/ the backfoot, don't lift your front foot independently of your back.
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No matter what I do, every time I lock into a backtail I slip out onto my face.Somebody please help.
You're turning your body/shoulders too much. Turn that less and your hips more.
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I've only been able to land 270 when trying 360s bs or fs. Sure curbs and shit help but not consistently. I think i just need to better strength in my pop, or spin harder, fuck if I know. I just wish I had them clean.
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I got problems with the board flipping when trying 360 shuvs, big spins etc.
Tips?
Learned 360s, big spins, n impossibles in my late 20's/early 30's... Whenever I'm doin any scoopin moves like those I try not to pop but instead focus more on my back foot pushing the tail directly into the ground while doin whatever trick u want to do. Like any trick though u gotta have your weight centered pretty good while doin it.
Backside flips piss me off a lot, over the years I've done em over decent sized gaps, down stuff, over fire hydrants, an into tailslides on knee high ledges but it's not a trick thats ever been totally consistant, usually in the middle of a line I'll do one n 9 times outta 10 I'm landing n rolling away but my boards pretty much cuttin grass n mowin the lawn with how high it 'pops'.
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I got problems with the board flipping when trying 360 shuvs, big spins etc.
Tips?
Backside flips piss me off a lot, over the years I've done em over decent sized gaps, down stuff, over fire hydrants, an into tailslides on knee high ledges but it's not a trick thats ever been totally consistant, usually in the middle of a line I'll do one n 9 times outta 10 I'm landing n rolling away but my boards pretty much cuttin grass n mowin the lawn with how high it 'pops'.
Mine always looked like varial flip body varials until I stopped trying to 180 a kickflip and started trying to kickflip a 180
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Back 5050??
I feel like I’m always crooked and at risk of the board flipping forward/down and me falling back. That ollie up is awkward. Help
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Back 5050??
I feel like I’m always crooked and at risk of the board flipping forward/down and me falling back. That ollie up is awkward. Help
You're putting your weight on the wrong side of the edge. I have my shoulders open enough to where I'm always looking at the ledge while I'm grinding and if I fuck up, I either go sort of feeble or I'm up on top of the ledge. I bet you have your back totally turned to it. You're grinding on the edge of it when you want to grind on top of the edge of it.
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No matter what I do, every time I lock into a backtail I slip out onto my face.Somebody please help.
I think it's all about having your back knee bent. If your knee is straight you can do absolutely nothing when the board slips from under you. If your knee is bent you can hop off as you feel your board starting to slip away, and not fall on your face.
Also, the more speed you have the more time you have to feel the board slip away. It's easier to balance.
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Back 5050??
I feel like I’m always crooked and at risk of the board flipping forward/down and me falling back. That ollie up is awkward. Help
You're putting your weight on the wrong side of the edge. I have my shoulders open enough to where I'm always looking at the ledge while I'm grinding and if I fuck up, I either go sort of feeble or I'm up on top of the ledge. I bet you have your back totally turned to it. You're grinding on the edge of it when you want to grind on top of the edge of it.
I’ve learned this lesson on other grinds before but always good to be reminded
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Back 5050??
I feel like I’m always crooked and at risk of the board flipping forward/down and me falling back. That ollie up is awkward. Help
You're putting your weight on the wrong side of the edge. I have my shoulders open enough to where I'm always looking at the ledge while I'm grinding and if I fuck up, I either go sort of feeble or I'm up on top of the ledge. I bet you have your back totally turned to it. You're grinding on the edge of it when you want to grind on top of the edge of it.
I’ve learned this lesson on other grinds before but always good to be reminded
Might be just me but I find it to be an especially important one for nosegrinds in particular (frontside and backside), if that can help anybody with their nosegrinds
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Back 5050??
I feel like I’m always crooked and at risk of the board flipping forward/down and me falling back. That ollie up is awkward. Help
What made them click for me was locking in with my back truck first, and thinking about the ollie on to the ledge as a very subtle back 180. Foot positioning is the same, just barely wind up and aim with the back truck. Learn them as stalls first coming at a steep angle to get comfortable with the motion, then increase speed and decrease angle of approach.
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Back 5050??
I feel like I’m always crooked and at risk of the board flipping forward/down and me falling back. That ollie up is awkward. Help
What made them click for me was locking in with my back truck first, and thinking about the ollie on to the ledge as a very subtle back 180. Foot positioning is the same, just barely wind up and aim with the back truck. Learn them as stalls first coming at a steep angle to get comfortable with the motion, then increase speed and decrease angle of approach.
This is what made them click for me. They’re one of those tricks that get easier the faster you go.
They definitely feel weird at first.
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They feel weird because you shouldn't treat them like back 180s that's how you get your shoulders all twisted up and you'll never feel comfortable. You aren't half disastering you're just ollieing up to ride the edge.
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They feel weird because you shouldn't treat them like back 180s that's how you get your shoulders all twisted up and you'll never feel comfortable. You aren't half disastering you're just ollieing up to ride the edge.
agreed. just look a little ahead of where you want to lock in. i always focus more on locking my front truck in on 50-50s this way i know my back truck will kind of follow - if you lock in back truck only you go into a feeble/boardslide. i find putting my front foot a little lower than my regular ollie helps a lot too for some reason. just ollie onto the ledge and don't over think it
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bs 50-50s
regular fs 180 is always ugly, sw one is proper
any kind of bigspin going forward. any flip that goes 360 degrees horizontally and going forwards basically impossible for me.
nose manuals
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Frontside half-Cabs. Every time I do one it feels like the first time.
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Frontside half-Cabs. Every time I do one it feels like the first time.
Look forward when you land
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nollie fs anything
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sw back 180 .. rather do sw bs flip and not look like a kook with no pop
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Frontside half-Cabs. Every time I do one it feels like the first time.
OMG, that actually worked. Thanks! :D
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Regular bs... I guess im all screwed up from the fact that I snowboard regular and skate goofy
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Heelflips always seem to go up into my scrotum for some reason.
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Heelflips always seem to go up into my scrotum for some reason.
Kick a little more straight out and less off the nose. If they go up like that you're going too much off the nose. It's a very small difference. Heelflips aren't kickflips on the other side.
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Finally figured out the actual technique of ollie one foots. I've always been able to bullshit them on and off, but whenever I would actually try one it would just look like a really bad kickflip attempt.
And that is one of the many basic tricks that piss me off. :)
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Finally figured out the actual technique of ollie one foots. I've always been able to bullshit them on and off, but whenever I would actually try one it would just look like a really bad kickflip attempt.
And that is one of the many basic tricks that piss me off. :)
Would you like to share your epiphany with the class?
I basically treat them like a heelflip that goes straight off the nose instead of at an angle. Do you do something different?
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raise back foot enough, its like a boned ollie but your board needs to bone more so that your foot overshoots off the nose
also kick more aggressively
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I learned one foots by trying to kickflip like Jeremy Wray
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I learned them by putting my front foot completely over the front bolts and trying to ollie how I normally would
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Finally figured out the actual technique of ollie one foots. I've always been able to bullshit them on and off, but whenever I would actually try one it would just look like a really bad kickflip attempt.
And that is one of the many basic tricks that piss me off. :)
Would you like to share your epiphany with the class?
I basically treat them like a heelflip that goes straight off the nose instead of at an angle. Do you do something different?
that's funny, I've been doing those and teaching them to people for 20 years and always broke it down as a kickflip that went straight off the nose (and you kick out instead of flicking). it never once occured to me it could also be seen as a heelflip and now my mind is blown.
mine has always looked pretty timid, I kick down on the nose hard enough for the board to go nearly vertical on them (with a downwards dive) with my back foot catching the tail but I can't seem to get that full leg extension most people get on them (except on switch ones), I suck my knee up instead. I always catch my kickflips in that pose too which makes me wonder how the two can interfere.
I could never tweak my regular ollies either. The back foot action again only works on sw ollies and the occasional good switch flip here
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how do i do fakie ollie switch five o (the hard one with heels towards the curb)??
do you come in at an angle or parallel to the curb? do you put your weight on top of the curb or to the side?
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how do i do fakie ollie switch five o (the hard one with heels towards the curb)??
do you come in at an angle or parallel to the curb? do you put your weight on top of the curb or to the side?
I think weight on top of ledge works best. What helped me most was to roll up looking forwards at the ledge, but as soon as you pop, instantly look back and close your shoulders off, look at your back foot and put it into the grind. This way, you can see the ledge before you pop so you can gauge distance and timing, but after you pop, you can aim the grind.
Go at a slight angle, too little and it will be hard to get your truck on unless you have a really good backside fakie shifty ollie, and too much and you'll miss your truck and go into lip. Angle is mostly experimentation and personal preference at the end of the day.
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Finally figured out the actual technique of ollie one foots. I've always been able to bullshit them on and off, but whenever I would actually try one it would just look like a really bad kickflip attempt.
And that is one of the many basic tricks that piss me off. :)
Would you like to share your epiphany with the class?
I basically treat them like a heelflip that goes straight off the nose instead of at an angle. Do you do something different?
I always tried to do them the same way I ollie, just with my foot farther up. Except for ollies my front foot is basically in the same position as a kickflip, so my board would always flip when I'd try it. Putting my front foot similar to a heelflip helped me get it off the nose without it flipping, but my other revelation was to kinda throw my shoulders forward so the board bones slightly downward as I kick forward. Not gonna claim I'm particularly good at this trick yet, but it's fun and I'm glad I can at least do the basic motion without guaranteeing myself a primo.
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I feel like I’m always crooked and at risk of the board flipping forward/down and me falling back. That ollie up is awkward. Help
What made them click for me was locking in with my back truck first, and thinking about the ollie on to the ledge as a very subtle back 180. Foot positioning is the same, just barely wind up and aim with the back truck. Learn them as stalls first coming at a steep angle to get comfortable with the motion, then increase speed and decrease angle of approach.
To me it was just getting comfortable with missing the grind and just getting up the ledge backside, with time my aim got better. Of course I can't do them on rails, though.
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Boardslides/lipslides on rails. Every time I commit I end up slipping out backward even if I am slightly squatting down to keep my balance.
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Boardslides/lipslides on rails. Every time I commit I end up slipping out backward even if I am slightly squatting down to keep my balance.
Doesnt help to squat down if your shoulders are behind. Try to have your shoulders more forwards. If your head/shoulders are behind your knees, its really difficult to recover from too much backwards leaning.
Really, like in most sports where one might use the body for balance, like skateboarding, rollerbladers, BMX, motocross etc, theres a basic position we call "Attack/Neutral position".
Slight bend in the knees, and shoulders forwards so that you are prepared for anything.
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Boardslides/lipslides on rails. Every time I commit I end up slipping out backward even if I am slightly squatting down to keep my balance.
I always do lipslides in two motions, ollie and then change my whole mindset to standing up on the rail, this way I won't be just leaning the way I do when I ollie. Boardslides almost the same thing, I just don't focus so much on the ollie, just on standing upright on the rail. Bending the knees is probably just for style points or so you don't snap your board.
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Boardslides/lipslides on rails. Every time I commit I end up slipping out backward even if I am slightly squatting down to keep my balance.
Doesnt help to squat down if your shoulders are behind. Try to have your shoulders more forwards. If your head/shoulders are behind your knees, its really difficult to recover from too much backwards leaning.
Really, like in most sports where one might use the body for balance, like skateboarding, rollerbladers, BMX, motocross etc, theres a basic position we call "Attack/Neutral position".
Slight bend in the knees, and shoulders forwards so that you are prepared for anything.
For sure, thank you. Then there is the struggle of not leaning to far forward.
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I have front feebles better than front 5050s
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I have front feebles better than front 5050s
Does that piss you off?
I think it’s just you being wonderful you, and God don’t make no trash.
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I have front feebles better than front 5050s
Does that piss you off?
I think it’s just you being wonderful you, and God don’t make no trash.
Not piss me off exactly, but more confusing.
Thanks man
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Back feebles. Anybody got any tips about them? Especially about getting into them
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Back feebles. Anybody got any tips about them? Especially about getting into them
get good at backside 5.0s. then if your tryna feeble a rail, aim to be grinding the corner closest to you - not the top of the rail. all your weight is over your back leg, front foot basically does nothing. shoulders paralel to the rail and eye ahead to the end of the rail
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Back feebles. Anybody got any tips about them? Especially about getting into them
get good at backside 5.0s. then if your tryna feeble a rail, aim to be grinding the corner closest to you - not the top of the rail. all your weight is over your back leg, front foot basically does nothing. shoulders paralel to the rail and eye ahead to the end of the rail
Thanks man I'll try this out tomorrow. My shoulders are always wrong with every trick so I need to work that out.
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Back feebles. Anybody got any tips about them? Especially about getting into them
get good at backside 5.0s. then if your tryna feeble a rail, aim to be grinding the corner closest to you - not the top of the rail. all your weight is over your back leg, front foot basically does nothing. shoulders paralel to the rail and eye ahead to the end of the rail
shoulders are a funny one. someone told me once that if your shoulders are over the bolts you should be in line eith the board at all times.. doesnt allways work btu give it a try
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I've given up the whole shoulder thing. Its not like you see pro's have their shoulders perfectly aligned either. As long as its not very bad ofc
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I've recently learned that you should consider your trucks when doing rails, I always just aimed the board and tried to hit it in the middle, now I've come to the realization that I should consider my trucks and remember my feet will always be a few inches above the rail and they aren't in any way a measure for balance. Also, I feel really good and really regular.
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Front shuvs. Back tails.
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Back feebles. Anybody got any tips about them? Especially about getting into them
get good at backside 5.0s. then if your tryna feeble a rail, aim to be grinding the corner closest to you - not the top of the rail. all your weight is over your back leg, front foot basically does nothing. shoulders paralel to the rail and eye ahead to the end of the rail
Hey thanks guys I just landed my first feeble today finally. The parallel tip really helped, but the main problem was me having this really bad habit of trying to get on the rail directly to the side of me. I then realized after watching some people doing them that you have to aim way ahead of where you're at to actually grind it and once I did this I didn't even need to lean back because it did it naturally. Sounds stupid and self explanatory to most people but I didn't realize this until watching footage of some of my attempts and comparing them to other skaters.
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Proper front or backside airs.
After watching stella do em so easily I gave up all hope. For the life of me i just cant trust the coping to do the majority of the work for me. I can do it the hard way, ollie 180, tuck hard and float a bit above the coping but I always end up in the flat bottom basically. I have no problem doing flyouts or spine transfers while letting the coping do the work but when it comes to airing out and coming back into a quarter I just cannot for the life of me figure it out, I'm not sure if its trust issues or just something I'll never grasp but I cant even get in the air. No matter how easy kids and trick tips make it look it just dont work for me.
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Tre flips kill me. Can't get them consistent because I don't really know what I do right when I land them. Do you create tension/flex in the board with your back foot and front foot ??
What really helped me with getting kickflips nice is raising your front knee high and then flicking. Watch the candid glitter video on YouTube. @ 10:22 is a great example of this.
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Tre flips kill me. Can't get them consistent because I don't really know what I do right when I land them. Do you create tension/flex in the board with your back foot and front foot ??
Mine land behind me all the time.
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One tip for fs shuvs that I haven't seen mentioned yet is that you really have to suck your back foot up after you pop. Focusing on that helps me pop them higher, and not scoop them too hard. If you're having trouble, try jumping backwards (behind you) a little bit, and position your back foot so that the ball of your foot is in the center of the tail and angled a bit. You can also move your back foot a little off-center towards the toe side of your board. They won't pop as high, but that makes the trick a little more manageable while you're learning.
Any tips on not sticking immediately on fs tailslides would be appreciated. I can get into them fine, but can't stop myself from coming out too soon and not sliding.
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Any tips on not sticking immediately on fs tailslides would be appreciated. I can get into them fine, but can't stop myself from coming out too soon and not sliding.
Approach the ledge more parallel, lean back (on your heels), go faster, don't ollie too high, and try come out to fakie.
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Any tips on not sticking immediately on fs tailslides would be appreciated. I can get into them fine, but can't stop myself from coming out too soon and not sliding.
Approach the ledge more parallel, lean back (on your heels), go faster, don't ollie too high, and try come out to fakie.
If you're sticking and pitching forward most of your problem is in not leaning back enough. If you're doing it properly you'll slip out instead.
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Proper front or backside airs.
After watching stella do em so easily I gave up all hope. For the life of me i just cant trust the coping to do the majority of the work for me. I can do it the hard way, ollie 180, tuck hard and float a bit above the coping but I always end up in the flat bottom basically. I have no problem doing flyouts or spine transfers while letting the coping do the work but when it comes to airing out and coming back into a quarter I just cannot for the life of me figure it out, I'm not sure if its trust issues or just something I'll never grasp but I cant even get in the air. No matter how easy kids and trick tips make it look it just dont work for me.
There’s a good vid of Willis Kimbel showing how to progress bs kickturns into bs airs. He makes it look real easy.
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Any secret to fakie manual/sw nose manny? It’s my least comfortable manual variation and the one I want the most. My reg, nose, and sw mannys are decent but I can’t hold these for shit.
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Any secret to fakie manual/sw nose manny? It’s my least comfortable manual variation and the one I want the most. My reg, nose, and sw mannys are decent but I can’t hold these for shit.
I got better at fakie when I consciously tried to keep my nose closer to the ground. I was typically scraping so it's not like it's rocket science, but it did help.
Wish I was good at switch manny's... Back 180 switch manny is a dream trick for me.
Which brings me to what pisses me off. How the fuck are motherfuckers rotating into manny's then going straight? Doesn't make sense to me, I always just keep rotating with my momentum.
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Proper front or backside airs.
After watching stella do em so easily I gave up all hope. For the life of me i just cant trust the coping to do the majority of the work for me. I can do it the hard way, ollie 180, tuck hard and float a bit above the coping but I always end up in the flat bottom basically. I have no problem doing flyouts or spine transfers while letting the coping do the work but when it comes to airing out and coming back into a quarter I just cannot for the life of me figure it out, I'm not sure if its trust issues or just something I'll never grasp but I cant even get in the air. No matter how easy kids and trick tips make it look it just dont work for me.
There’s a good vid of Willis Kimbel showing how to progress bs kickturns into bs airs. He makes it look real easy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDcW6k4M6t0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDcW6k4M6t0)
I've had little ones off and on and this approach definitely helped.... need to skate bigger tranny more often to really keep them.though...
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kickflips! a letter I often get on games of skate as soon as the game starts haha
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kickflips! a letter I often get on games of skate as soon as the game starts haha
Kickflips! Damn there is nothing what i hate and love more at the same time. I forget how to to them properly in like 15 Minutes. Literally Doing them perfect...15 minutes later it looks like falling down a staircase.
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Proper front or backside airs.
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There’s a good vid of Willis Kimbel showing how to progress bs kickturns into bs airs. He makes it look real easy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDcW6k4M6t0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDcW6k4M6t0)
I've had little ones off and on and this approach definitely helped.... need to skate bigger tranny more often to really keep them.though...
This was a nice little tip. I’m nowhere close to getting proper air, but having fun with those grabbed kickturns which is a thing I hadn’t thought of before.
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Seeing that I picked up skating again in January this year and I'm still working on getting my ollie back consistently, I'm not focussing on tricks a lot yet.
But every session I practice BS/FS shuvs, BS 180 , heel and kickflip.
Fuck kickflips forreal. I can't flick the board for shit, I always end up karate kicking my board away.
Fuck that shit (for now).
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fucking heelflips.
never done one and I just don't see it happening id rather sit at home then practice heelflips
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people never have enough weight over their front foot on heels, then it goes all vert towards yo nuts. line up back edge of heel with edge of board, toes hanging over the side, just under the bolts, kick straight out perpendicular to board.
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Backside 5-0’s :-\
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people never have enough weight over their front foot on heels, then it goes all vert towards yo nuts. line up back edge of heel with edge of board, toes hanging over the side, just under the bolts, kick straight out perpendicular to board.
Cheers for the advice I'll definitely try it out later this evening!
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Heelflips and anything to do with heelflips except back hee ls and nollie back heels
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Backside 5-0’s :-\
can you do that thing where you ride straight towards a curb, ollie into a five o "stall" and out? so its like a five o stall in tranny except on a curb? actual back five os are the exact same thing except with a less steep angle towards the curb and more speed. just as in transition the shoulders should be aligned with the board so dont open them too much when popping on to the curb.
edit: oh right, you can balance them if you want to but i prefer to just slam the tail down and suski-ing them slightly. just like a frontside one.
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Backside 5-0’s :-\
try lowering your front foot.
works for me when i'm battling one
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Heelflips and anything to do with heelflips except back hee ls and nollie back heels
I'd appreciate help with back heels, I've only ever landed one
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Heelflips and anything to do with heelflips except back hee ls and nollie back heels
For 180 heels kick down instead of out
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how about regular frontside heels also known as the hardest fucking trick in the world
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i think about a fs heel as if its a varial heel body varial
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I got nothin for regular fs heels. Try not to cut your dick off? I can't do regular varial heels either only switch. The switch fs heels I've done pretty much pivoted on the ground off my tail so I stopped doing them. That trick just don't make no sense.
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I got nothin for regular fs heels. Try not to cut your dick off? I can't do regular varial heels either only switch. The switch fs heels I've done pretty much pivoted on the ground off my tail so I stopped doing them. That trick just don't make no sense.
End of mike York’s part where that kid gets into his way and he does the jumping 360 to Dalsim sit down= me the last time I tried that trick in earnest. It was 10 years ago and it was the first time I remember slamming and feeling old. Like where the act of missing the trick was soooo off and the level of contortion that resulted were just not commiserate with the intention. Fucked. It looked hilarious tho. Everyone assured me of that. Definitely took a letter in skate
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I got nothin for regular fs heels. Try not to cut your dick off? I can't do regular varial heels either only switch. The switch fs heels I've done pretty much pivoted on the ground off my tail so I stopped doing them. That trick just don't make no sense.
Varial Heels are basically shove its with your front foot standing still, once you get that it's easier to start trying to kick like Andrew. Fs Heels are just that perfect turning/flick angle ratio, it's like a well done fs flip where you flick it as it spins on your foot and for a second your foot make from under to over the nose and you still catch it sideways before completing it, the difference being you're kicking out and the balance to do this is all weird, just needs a fuck ton of practice.
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seems like people get front heels easier with some pre-pop shoulder wind-up and the right amount of jumping forward with it. i agree, fucking maddening trick
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Anyone got tips on bs 360s? I managed to spin 270 a couple of times but almost twisted my front foot ankle on both, I want to spin them like Westgate, landing on the back, but that shit fucks all my balance and I either can't keep straight or can't bring the board with.
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any tips for powersliding bs?
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any tips for powersliding bs?
I got my tips on here way back when but carving frontside before you whip it out helps to set your body up for them. I still do that to this day. Smooth arse ground and some F4 radial slims will also contribute greatly to your success ;)
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Anyone got tips on bs 360s? I managed to spin 270 a couple of times but almost twisted my front foot ankle on both, I want to spin them like Westgate, landing on the back, but that shit fucks all my balance and I either can't keep straight or can't bring the board with.
Don't think of it as an extended backside 180. It's all in the back foot and scooping motion from start to finish. Throw your shoulders into the spin earlier than you think you should be doing, your upper body should be looking backwards already before your tail even pops if that makes sense (don't die) because it leads the rotation and then the hips follow through.
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any tips for powersliding bs?
keep body posture as forward as possible. work with the hips. to slide crank it with the backfoot, frontfoot only holds it in place until you want to go forward again. shift weight from the back to the front foot to go straight again. the tail should kind of whip back behind you unless you overturned on the powerslide. then you might actually need to counter slide back with the front or shuffle/wiggle out someway, which is harder to do going bs.
you could also think of it as a fs bluntslide on flat, but you keep the front lightly on the ground.
doing them over manholes is good training. or find some woodplank that you can phantom powerslide backlip.
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What helped me to learn the motion was t exaggerate the movements to the point of joking/faking it. Squad too deep, throw hips and lean forward (too far) extend back leg as far as you can. Hold on as long as you can.
Working your way down from this exaggerated bs powerslide to some thing more managable is easier than figuering it out from scratch
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Anyone have any tips for stopping my nose mannys from swerving around? I can hold them pretty steady and straight on flat ground, but when I ollie nose manny on a pad my dumb shoulders always want to turn frontside a few seconds into the manual.
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Yeah stop turning your shoulders frontside
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Anyone have any tips for stopping my nose mannys from swerving around? I can hold them pretty steady and straight on flat ground, but when I ollie nose manny on a pad my dumb shoulders always want to turn frontside a few seconds into the manual.
Got a fence to hold onto? Jk haha
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wow that worked I have them on lock now thanks guys
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Back 50, and logically any trick that builds upon that (back 5.0, back tail, back smith)
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Back 180's, I get mad dizzy when I do too many.
Also heelfips, I just avoid heelflips always, been skating for like 7 years and I can count how many I've ever landed on one hand.
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Back 180's, I get mad dizzy when I do too many.
Also heelfips, I just avoid heelflips always, been skating for like 7 years and I can count how many I've ever landed on one hand.
Always pop a Dramamine before skating. Surprised I even needed to say this in 2019.
Sick avatar btw.
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Back 50, and logically any trick that builds upon that (back 5.0, back tail, back smith)
I was a pussy about back 50's when I first started, but then I spent an hour just backside ollieing over a 2x4 and up some small curbs at the least possible angles and it came real quick. It's all about that slight shifty, but's it's easier than it seems when you are first trying them. Also helps to imagine yourself up on the ledge right before you pop. Pre-pop weight distribution (basically having your weight slightly back or at least centered) is important so that you have your foot on the tail when you land on the ledge and can pop out. It also gets you used to the 5-0 which is just aiming a bit further forward on the ledge and pushing your back truck forward (leaning back).
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dont wanna be that guy who tells people how to do tricks BUUUUTTTTT...
an older dude told me as a grom that if you imagine you are skating within a square you can figure out where you board is gonna land-
front shuv/ Variel heel, fs bigspin ect - start in the bottom right corner (if your regs, left if your goofy) as you pop jump to the diaginal opposite corner youll be on the board every time.
pop shuv/ varial kickflip etc - start at bottom left (right for goofy) and jump to the opposite corner (top right)
this totally worked for me and unlocked a bunch of tricks.
the other tip i picked up was for straight kickflip you wanna drag your flicking toe through the truck bolt on the heel side of your deck and off the nose pocket, they ping up to your back foot every time.
now if anyone wants to shed some light on nollie tres id appreciate it, those fuckers have eluded me for a good ten years
That's brilliant. I'd love to draw up a graphic for this. Is it always opposite corners... ?
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Back 5-0! My shoulders always keep rotating when I lock in so I always end up doing the ugliest back 180 out of them instead of popping out properly.
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how about regular frontside heels also known as the hardest fucking trick in the world
I recently got these almost on lock. What I found helped (and for big heels on flat especially) was to just throw your front foot out as far as possible once you begin to turn after the pop. basically letting the board go all the way in front of you to let it fully flip and rotate. They just perfectly do the rotation and your body moves with it without you having to put much thought into it. The only difficulty is going fast enough/jumping high enough to catch the board clean. Kind of looks like those stupid style tre flips, but in this case it’s the only thing that worked for me. Again, helps to haul ass.
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Back 5-0! My shoulders always keep rotating when I lock in so I always end up doing the ugliest back 180 out of them instead of popping out properly.
Try to keep your lead shoulder towards the ledge a bit, as you pop and through the whole grind. As in open your stance up some, but not completely square in front of you like you would a 180. Once you lock in just hold it there don't move. If that makes any sense..
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Not that basic i guess but didn’t wanna start a new thread.
Any pointers on fakie hard flips? It’s a weird one that I’ve decided I want.
Also front crooks? My back crooks and front noseslide is good enough but have yet to hold/pinch a front crook the same
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when I started I had a pretty nice pop shov, could do them with speed but I don't know what happened, now they look like the pop shuv a revive guy did that someone has as their sig. The funny thing is I can inward heelflip (or try to) pretty high but cannot really pop a shovit.
Also have a problem with front pop, I use to have them easy but now I overthink what I am doing and fuck up most of the time.
Should probably spend an entire session working on those but I'll probably hurt myself. Now these two tricks are scary to me for some reason.
edit : just saw the gif of the revive guy, I was maybe exaggerating, mine are not that bad.
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Not that basic i guess but didn’t wanna start a new thread.
Any pointers on fakie hard flips? It’s a weird one that I’ve decided I want.
Also front crooks? My back crooks and front noseslide is good enough but have yet to hold/pinch a front crook the same
aim with and stand on your big toe on that front crook and it will goooo . i got no help for that fakie hard
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I guess it's not that basic but fucking backside airs. Maybe because I didn't really grow up skating big transition but fuck I'm having the hardest time getting those consistently
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dont wanna be that guy who tells people how to do tricks BUUUUTTTTT...
an older dude told me as a grom that if you imagine you are skating within a square you can figure out where you board is gonna land-
front shuv/ Variel heel, fs bigspin ect - start in the bottom right corner (if your regs, left if your goofy) as you pop jump to the diaginal opposite corner youll be on the board every time.
pop shuv/ varial kickflip etc - start at bottom left (right for goofy) and jump to the opposite corner (top right)
this totally worked for me and unlocked a bunch of tricks.
the other tip i picked up was for straight kickflip you wanna drag your flicking toe through the truck bolt on the heel side of your deck and off the nose pocket, they ping up to your back foot every time.
now if anyone wants to shed some light on nollie tres id appreciate it, those fuckers have eluded me for a good ten years
That's brilliant. I'd love to draw up a graphic for this. Is it always opposite corners... ?
it's funny, i used to actually do this a bunch. when i did this it wasn't always opposite corner though. i used it mostly for ledge tricks, too, as in to predict where i would land when doing somewhat blindsided stuff like bs grinds and tailslides which i have lots of trouble getting into. an ollie would be pretty much center going forward. alley ooped or overturned tricks are a obviously combination of general pop direction vs how your body turns.
i usually don't approach stuff like this but it's good for troubleshooting purposes.
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Rock and rolls on vert.
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dont wanna be that guy who tells people how to do tricks BUUUUTTTTT...
an older dude told me as a grom that if you imagine you are skating within a square you can figure out where you board is gonna land-
front shuv/ Variel heel, fs bigspin ect - start in the bottom right corner (if your regs, left if your goofy) as you pop jump to the diaginal opposite corner youll be on the board every time.
pop shuv/ varial kickflip etc - start at bottom left (right for goofy) and jump to the opposite corner (top right)
this totally worked for me and unlocked a bunch of tricks.
the other tip i picked up was for straight kickflip you wanna drag your flicking toe through the truck bolt on the heel side of your deck and off the nose pocket, they ping up to your back foot every time.
now if anyone wants to shed some light on nollie tres id appreciate it, those fuckers have eluded me for a good ten years
That's brilliant. I'd love to draw up a graphic for this. Is it always opposite corners... ?
it's funny, i used to actually do this a bunch. when i did this it wasn't always opposite corner though. i used it mostly for ledge tricks, too, as in to predict where i would land when doing somewhat blindsided stuff like bs grinds and tailslides which i have lots of trouble getting into. an ollie would be pretty much center going forward. alley ooped or overturned tricks are a obviously combination of general pop direction vs how your body turns.
i usually don't approach stuff like this but it's good for troubleshooting purposes.
Honestly it always kind of baffled me how so many hyperactive skaters would get on their board on the daily yet never give one bit of thought to how said board is supposed to work. If you just look at the object for a minute and start imagining parallel and perpendicular lines on the griptape that would be drawn from the eight bolts from one end of the board to the other, you get a very accurate idea of where all the pressure points are, in the corners of the nose and tail somewhat close to the wheel; as soon as you've understood that, if you can feel where the dead center of your board is (and any skater should) then it's all about compensating said pressure on the object (during the pop) with the opposite motion and force with your gripping foot, your center being your reference. In theory skateboarding is actually very basic physics, what makes it practically super difficult is how physical it actually is, how much muscle memory one has to develop and maintain whilst learning, the randomness of the terrain and the endless mental insecurities one has to overcome to realize that they can actually do the trick they're 'thinking of trying'.
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Anything with a flip. I've never been good at flipping my board but I do like spin tricks. I would like to open up my trick selection and learn to nollie but it's awkward.
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50-50 in transition. can't ever get the back wheel to lock in properly and have to adjust mid-grind
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dont wanna be that guy who tells people how to do tricks BUUUUTTTTT...
an older dude told me as a grom that if you imagine you are skating within a square you can figure out where you board is gonna land-
front shuv/ Variel heel, fs bigspin ect - start in the bottom right corner (if your regs, left if your goofy) as you pop jump to the diaginal opposite corner youll be on the board every time.
pop shuv/ varial kickflip etc - start at bottom left (right for goofy) and jump to the opposite corner (top right)
this totally worked for me and unlocked a bunch of tricks.
the other tip i picked up was for straight kickflip you wanna drag your flicking toe through the truck bolt on the heel side of your deck and off the nose pocket, they ping up to your back foot every time.
now if anyone wants to shed some light on nollie tres id appreciate it, those fuckers have eluded me for a good ten years
That's brilliant. I'd love to draw up a graphic for this. Is it always opposite corners... ?
it's funny, i used to actually do this a bunch. when i did this it wasn't always opposite corner though. i used it mostly for ledge tricks, too, as in to predict where i would land when doing somewhat blindsided stuff like bs grinds and tailslides which i have lots of trouble getting into. an ollie would be pretty much center going forward. alley ooped or overturned tricks are a obviously combination of general pop direction vs how your body turns.
i usually don't approach stuff like this but it's good for troubleshooting purposes.
Honestly it always kind of baffled me how so many hyperactive skaters would get on their board on the daily yet never give one bit of thought to how said board is supposed to work. If you just look at the object for a minute and start imagining parallel and perpendicular lines on the griptape that would be drawn from the eight bolts from one end of the board to the other, you get a very accurate idea of where all the pressure points are, in the corners of the nose and tail somewhat close to the wheel; as soon as you've understood that, if you can feel where the dead center of your board is (and any skater should) then it's all about compensating said pressure on the object (during the pop) with the opposite motion and force with your gripping foot, your center being your reference. In theory skateboarding is actually very basic physics, what makes it practically super difficult is how physical it actually is, how much muscle memory one has to develop and maintain whilst learning, the randomness of the terrain and the endless mental insecurities one has to overcome to realize that they can actually do the trick they're 'thinking of trying'.
after years of trial and error i can actually say i can 3 flip now thanks guys that corner box shit works
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50-50 in transition. can't ever get the back wheel to lock in properly and have to adjust mid-grind
Do you mean for your back truck to grind more on the heel side instead of the toe side of the truck to lock in? It's easier to go more of an angle where you are more parallel to the coping then get on instead of going straight up and turning onto the coping. Going straight up tends for you end up more on the toe side of the truck then having to adjust. Go at an angle and time it for you're back truck to lock on the heel side. You kind of got to stay more in the tranny until you get up also.
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50-50 in transition. can't ever get the back wheel to lock in properly and have to adjust mid-grind
Skate more flat footed on tranny with more heel on the board. I had the same issue with axle stalls/50-50's but having more of your heel on the board helps lock in the heel-side wheel
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Sw backside anything. 30 yrs of skateboarding I’ve only practiced popping my board in this direction for maybe a few months.
Even when I’m skating transition I’m way more likely to kick turn or carve switch fs than bs.
It just feels shitty
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It's easier to go more of an angle where you are more parallel to the coping then get on instead of going straight up and turning onto the coping. Going straight up tends for you end up more on the toe side of the truck then having to adjust.
Skate more flat footed on tranny with more heel on the board.
i get it. it's a hit and miss for me. i've yet to find the sweet spot for the angle. another one i don't understand is pivot to fakie because with those you'd go straight up. whenever i try it, i end up carving into it instead of turning sharp. if i try 5-0 i'll end up locking in on the wrong side. and of course going back in fakie... hang up! :o
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Sw backside anything. 30 yrs of skateboarding I’ve only practiced popping my board in this direction for maybe a few months.
Even when I’m skating transition I’m way more likely to kick turn or carve switch fs than bs.
It just feels shitty
it's funny because switch backside is the same rotation as regular frontside, yet so different of a feeling. i've been doing nollie front 180s to get the hang of it but it still feels alien
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Sw backside anything. 30 yrs of skateboarding I’ve only practiced popping my board in this direction for maybe a few months.
Even when I’m skating transition I’m way more likely to kick turn or carve switch fs than bs.
It just feels shitty
Same. I do practice fs nollies. Those two tricks are the only tricks I cannot pop 360s. It’s frustrating
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sAMe
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I know it’s been mentioned a million times, but kickflips are my kryptonite. I’ve been able to kickflip maybe 10% of the time since I first landed one. That’s the only flip trick I can do where I regularly miss so badly it looks like I can’t do them at all. For some reason when I focus on keeping my shoulders straight, my ability to flip the board well evaporates.
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my kick flips get progressively worse as i age
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I know it’s been mentioned a million times, but kickflips are my kryptonite. I’ve been able to kickflip maybe 10% of the time since I first landed one. That’s the only flip trick I can do where I regularly miss so badly it looks like I can’t do them at all. For some reason when I focus on keeping my shoulders straight, my ability to flip the board well evaporates.
Its ok I can’t flip my board for shit.
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Any advice for a slappy nose slide on a 1ft ledge??
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Any advice for a slappy nose slide on a 1ft ledge??
If you’re sticking, learn them coming out regular instead of fakie. That motion will force them to slide. For higher ledges, try to get into the slide as quickly as possible while staying light on your feet.
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Any advice for a slappy nose slide on a 1ft ledge??
If you’re sticking, learn them coming out regular instead of fakie. That motion will force them to slide. For higher ledges, try to get into the slide as quickly as possible while staying light on your feet.
what about getting in there?
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I know it’s been mentioned a million times, but kickflips are my kryptonite. I’ve been able to kickflip maybe 10% of the time since I first landed one. That’s the only flip trick I can do where I regularly miss so badly it looks like I can’t do them at all. For some reason when I focus on keeping my shoulders straight, my ability to flip the board well evaporates.
I used to be a bit like you with oddly inconsistent kickflips until I realized control on kickflips is also in the back foot before you pop. You need that foot at the right angle and then to pop off your big toe that should be in between the center of the tail and its edge. Eventually you'll start feeling that sweet spot. Before you even pop you need to set up for, and then create the right tension between both feet, reason why I insisted on the big toe thing is that I find it helps to imagine that the one on the back foot is going to counter the action of the big toe on the front foot that's going to flick. Think duck stance but a lot less exaggerated. Also it shouldn't be a dead pop and you should actually jump forward with it. If the tension is off when you pop, the concave will have less resistance to respond to and you'll be more likely to miss the flick. Same reason why 360 flips are popped using the big toe, except the pressure is applied to a different part of the tail (more onto the side) to compensate for a flick that will occur in a different direction. See Christian Maalouf for the most fucked up kickflips.
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I know it’s been mentioned a million times, but kickflips are my kryptonite. I’ve been able to kickflip maybe 10% of the time since I first landed one. That’s the only flip trick I can do where I regularly miss so badly it looks like I can’t do them at all. For some reason when I focus on keeping my shoulders straight, my ability to flip the board well evaporates.
Are you stepping in the pocket toe side rail
Dead ctr or
or heel side pocket?
As I like to pop from the heel side rail. I can get a faster flatter KICKFLIP when I’m set up front foot center kick trough the bolts and into the nose with my back foot kind where a hard flip would be if my feet were closer together.
I’m high af so if this doesn’t read my bad.
Maybe try switch flips. I like switch flip because it doesn’t hurt my flicking foot so much
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So rn I’m having issues with doing fakie ollie fakie nose many. I have to shifty to get on the pad. I can fakie fakie nose grind anything in the park pop out early etc.. the pad is pissin me off. And I don’t know how to fix it my shoulders are straight too
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Any advice for a slappy nose slide on a 1ft ledge??
If you’re sticking, learn them coming out regular instead of fakie. That motion will force them to slide. For higher ledges, try to get into the slide as quickly as possible while staying light on your feet.
try to approach as if wallriding nollie out, tap your front foot into the slide as soon as your nose comes above the ledge far enough to lock in, while remaining almost weightless on your back foot so your tail can snap up. you can try and keep your front foot a bit angled to prevent heeldrag that might stop your slide prematurely. it might help to have your front foot already fairly far up the nose, i like to have it almost right where i would like to stand midslide, like an inch past the bolts.
it might actually be easier to try slappy crooked grinds first if you accidentally slip up to far. they almost work the same for me, it's just different timing to lock in.
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Frontside flips.
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Any advice for a slappy nose slide on a 1ft ledge??
If you’re sticking, learn them coming out regular instead of fakie. That motion will force them to slide. For higher ledges, try to get into the slide as quickly as possible while staying light on your feet.
try to approach as if wallriding nollie out, tap your front foot into the slide as soon as your nose comes above the ledge far enough to lock in, while remaining almost weightless on your back foot so your tail can snap up. you can try and keep your front foot a bit angled to prevent heeldrag that might stop your slide prematurely. it might help to have your front foot already fairly far up the nose, i like to have it almost right where i would like to stand midslide, like an inch past the bolts.
it might actually be easier to try slappy crooked grinds first if you accidentally slip up to far. they almost work the same for me, it's just different timing to lock in.
I can do a nose stall on a little curb. Does it count?
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Slappy noseslide on something high is the same thing as your nosestall on the curb. The technique is similar but you approach it at an angle like you want to wallride up the ledge, then you shift your weight just the same and get up there. Jam the nose up there and don't kickturn into it.
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Slappy noseslide on something high is the same thing as your nosestall on the curb. The technique is similar but you approach it at an angle like you want to wallride up the ledge, then you shift your weight just the same and get up there. Jam the nose up there and don't kickturn into it.
thanks boss man
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I know it’s been mentioned a million times, but kickflips are my kryptonite. I’ve been able to kickflip maybe 10% of the time since I first landed one. That’s the only flip trick I can do where I regularly miss so badly it looks like I can’t do them at all. For some reason when I focus on keeping my shoulders straight, my ability to flip the board well evaporates.
It would be good to know what happens to the board when you miss but here is a quick tip. Pretend the nose of your board is flat and slide your foot through the nose of the board. This should speed up the flick and cut down on rocket flip. As redcurb12 says, kickflips get harder with age, so this trick helped me keep hanging on.
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360 flips. Some days they work n others they don't ?
I'm too old to get pissed off , Well I guess I can't do them the way I want is a better way to say it.
Sometimes they feel perfect every try n the next day they feel so disgusting.
Kickflips as well, some days I think I'm blessed with Reynolds flick n the next day their all rocket n super ugly.
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Slappy noseslide on something high is the same thing as your nosestall on the curb. The technique is similar but you approach it at an angle like you want to wallride up the ledge, then you shift your weight just the same and get up there. Jam the nose up there and don't kickturn into it.
Actually regular slappies , in the eighties n early nineties I could do them but I can't for the life of me now. I have to Ollie. I can't bash my trucks into the curb like the old days.
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I actually tried to learn kickflips today and I’m slowly working my way there. Just a matter of flick and landing. Any advice on flick?
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Actually regular slappies , in the eighties n early nineties I could do them but I can't for the life of me now. I have to Ollie. I can't bash my trucks into the curb like the old days.
it's more like riding up the curb. think wheels rolling rather than truck bashing
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Actually regular slappies , in the eighties n early nineties I could do them but I can't for the life of me now. I have to Ollie. I can't bash my trucks into the curb like the old days.
Thanks my friend.
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I actually tried to learn kickflips today and I’m slowly working my way there. Just a matter of flick and landing. Any advice on flick?
Lizard has one of the best flicks ever IMHO.
https://youtu.be/oH9JEl9zzJE
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So I’m flicking in my pocket, what about foot position. Anybody got advice?
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Ol’ boy’s got about 4 brain cells bouncing around in his head, but I’d love to kickflip like him:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV1FHhJM0-8&feature=share
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Fakie shuvits are a bitch, bs and fs.
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backside noseslides and front tailslides.
back noseslides i can never lock into properly unless i slappy into it which looks awful so I just don't do them. same problem with front tails, can't get my weight shifted properly and just end up sticking and doing a tiny tail stall/slide and then popping back out straight away.
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Back 180s and heelflips
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been skating for like 9 years since I was 18, can't kick flip
I can 180 both ways ,fake shove both ways, half cab both ways, 50-50, crooked nose, etc
no I don't go both ways
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been skating for like 9 years since I was 18, can't kick flip
I can 180 both ways ,fake shove both ways, half cab both ways, 50-50, crooked nose, etc
no I don't go both ways
Spend a day doing nothing but kickflips. You'll get 'em.
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been skating for like 9 years since I was 18, can't kick flip
I can 180 both ways ,fake shove both ways, half cab both ways, 50-50, crooked nose, etc
no I don't go both ways
I wonder if you miss a comma or a "crooked nose" is really sth for you.
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360 flips... Seem to have this weird mental block that always stops me from flicking with my front foot, always end up doing terrible 3shuvs when I try.
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360 flips... Seem to have this weird mental block that always stops me from flicking with my front foot, always end up doing terrible 3shuvs when I try.
You don’t flick a tre flip. It’s a pressure trick. You scoop while the board has tension built up lean back and scoop. Scissor kick and it will hit your foot.
Every tre flip issue is about scoop or the building up of pressure to get it to flip.
When I 3 shuv I have my toes on the tail more and my front foot flat so it doesn’t flip. Maybe you need to hang your toes off the tail more
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I’m the opposite. My tre flips flip but rarely rotate the full 360. Halp.
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360 flips... Seem to have this weird mental block that always stops me from flicking with my front foot, always end up doing terrible 3shuvs when I try.
You don’t flick a tre flip. It’s a pressure trick. You scoop while the board has tension built up lean back and scoop. Scissor kick and it will hit your foot.
Every tre flip issue is about scoop or the building up of pressure to get it to flip.
When I 3 shuv I have my toes on the tail more and my front foot flat so it doesn’t flip. Maybe you need to hang your toes off the tail more
Aight, haven't bothered trying in a couple years but will give this a go and report back.
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I’m the opposite. My tre flips flip but rarely rotate the full 360. Halp.
You might be instinctively opening up your shoulders as you pop, when you shouldn't. Think of it as the same problem as kids who can only land kickflips if they turn their body with it. Keep your upper body in check and make sure you don't jump out of your original stance once you've popped (because that's pretty much what the problem is).
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I’m the opposite. My tre flips flip but rarely rotate the full 360. Halp.
You might be instinctively opening up your shoulders as you pop, when you shouldn't. Think of it as the same problem as kids who can only land kickflips if they turn their body with it. Keep your upper body in check and make sure you don't jump out of your original stance once you've popped (because that's pretty much what the problem is).
Shoulders are every thing
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I’m the opposite. My tre flips flip but rarely rotate the full 360. Halp.
You might be instinctively opening up your shoulders as you pop, when you shouldn't. Think of it as the same problem as kids who can only land kickflips if they turn their body with it. Keep your upper body in check and make sure you don't jump out of your original stance once you've popped (because that's pretty much what the problem is).
Shoulders are every thing
Also your hips. Usually people turn their hips when they turn their shoulders, then they correct their shoulders but still open up their hips. Stay put.
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360 flips... Seem to have this weird mental block that always stops me from flicking with my front foot, always end up doing terrible 3shuvs when I try.
You don’t flick a tre flip. It’s a pressure trick. You scoop while the board has tension built up lean back and scoop. Scissor kick and it will hit your foot.
Every tre flip issue is about scoop or the building up of pressure to get it to flip.
When I 3 shuv I have my toes on the tail more and my front foot flat so it doesn’t flip. Maybe you need to hang your toes off the tail more
Can you explain what you mean by building up the pressure?
Mine usually hit my feet which I thought meant I need to lift my legs up more to get them out of the way but I've seen some people do tre's where they don't even really lift their legs that much?
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360 flips... Seem to have this weird mental block that always stops me from flicking with my front foot, always end up doing terrible 3shuvs when I try.
You don’t flick a tre flip. It’s a pressure trick. You scoop while the board has tension built up lean back and scoop. Scissor kick and it will hit your foot.
Every tre flip issue is about scoop or the building up of pressure to get it to flip.
When I 3 shuv I have my toes on the tail more and my front foot flat so it doesn’t flip. Maybe you need to hang your toes off the tail more
Can you explain what you mean by building up the pressure?
Mine usually hit my feet which I thought meant I need to lift my legs up more to get them out of the way but I've seen some people do tre's where they don't even really lift their legs that much?
I stand on the board in such a way that if I took my front foot off, the board would start a 3 flip motion. Not enough to actually 3 flip, but enough to see it start the motion. Big toe in the toe pocket of the tail.
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Are axel stalls on Quater pipes easy?
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360 flips... Seem to have this weird mental block that always stops me from flicking with my front foot, always end up doing terrible 3shuvs when I try.
You don’t flick a tre flip. It’s a pressure trick. You scoop while the board has tension built up lean back and scoop. Scissor kick and it will hit your foot.
Every tre flip issue is about scoop or the building up of pressure to get it to flip.
When I 3 shuv I have my toes on the tail more and my front foot flat so it doesn’t flip. Maybe you need to hang your toes off the tail more
This is absolutely the worst advice ever. All flip tricks should be properly flicked (out and up regardless of trick). If it’s not flicked it’s a pressure flip = shit. Look at any good tre flippers (Nate Jones, Kalis , Jason Lee...) they all flick. The flick on tre isn’t as pronounced as kickflips but you definitely should flick your tres.
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360 flips... Seem to have this weird mental block that always stops me from flicking with my front foot, always end up doing terrible 3shuvs when I try.
You don’t flick a tre flip. It’s a pressure trick. You scoop while the board has tension built up lean back and scoop. Scissor kick and it will hit your foot.
Every tre flip issue is about scoop or the building up of pressure to get it to flip.
When I 3 shuv I have my toes on the tail more and my front foot flat so it doesn’t flip. Maybe you need to hang your toes off the tail more
This is absolutely the worst advice ever. All flip tricks should be properly flicked (out and up regardless of trick). If it’s not flicked it’s a pressure flip = shit. Look at any good tre flippers (Nate Jones, Kalis , Jason Lee...) they all flick. The flick on tre isn’t as pronounced as kickflips but you definitely should flick your tres.
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I don't think he means it in a literal sense, he even says to scissor kick, you obviously have to flick it to some extent. The flick is extremely minimal, but many people that struggle with tres flick far more than they should. Or it doesn't flip all the way, but not because they're flicking too little, but because the way they pop/scoop/lean isn't correct and makes it harder for their flick to interact with the rest of the motion.
It's definitely true that the way you distribute weight over your board and the way your trucks lean affects the way you tre flip. I flick my tres very minimally, but I set up in a certain way help build the pressure that results board moving in a way that allows the minimal flick to be sufficient. There's a lot of trial and error in this, so this may or may not work for everyone, but I put my front foot in the middle of the board and hang a good amount of heel off, back foot in standard position, and for me it helps a lot to make sure the trucks are leaning a little on the heel side, and I pop/scoop not backwards, but left (I'm regular) in the direction of where my front foot is, almost like I'm trying to push the board in the direction that I'm rolling, popping/scooping this way has always made my tre flips feel much more efficient and contained. Your mileage may vary, but hope this helps someone.
edit: if anybody has tips on how to do nollie bs noseslides rolling parallel do the ledge i would greatly appreciate the intel, i can do them fine, hold the slide and pop out going at an almost 45 degree angle but it just doesn't seem like the best way.
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fucking rails
in my years skating i've never done a rail aside from a generic department store esque bs rail everyone gets for christmas as a kid. went to a rail spot yesterday, did the whole put the board on and push thing and had no issues balancing/keeping it locked etc but when it came to actually trying it i just couldnt manage to lock in. it'd either flip over the rail or shoot out, i did get a few where i was on it for a lil bit but nothing substantial.
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fucking rails
in my years skating i've never done a rail aside from a generic department store esque bs rail everyone gets for christmas as a kid. went to a rail spot yesterday, did the whole put the board on and push thing and had no issues balancing/keeping it locked etc but when it came to actually trying it i just couldnt manage to lock in. it'd either flip over the rail or shoot out, i did get a few where i was on it for a lil bit but nothing substantial.
I assume you're talking about 5050s on round rails? Are you trying double heel or cross pinch? I find cross pinch is a lot easier and safer. I just ollie onto the rail like a normal 5050 on a ledge, and 1 millisecond before I hit the rail, or sometimes even a hair after my trucks touch the rail, I immediately put a lot of pressure on my front toe, and my back heel and it will locks me into the cross pinch quite securely.
Many people try to turn mid air a little bit to try and land in the cross pinch but overdo it and get into smith or lip, which is why I ollie straight and let the way I apply pressure on my feet adjust me into the cross pinch. It should slip right into position as long as the rail isn't too sticky. If you're flipping over then you probably need to apply more opposite pressure (front foot toe, back foot heel) or stand more straight on top of it. Definitely be somewhat ready to bail at any moment though just in case.
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nah its a square thin rail
(https://i.imgur.com/eg7vh1c.png)
honestly when i was standing on it and pushing i was basically just winging it and doing both types of lock ins but i feel like cross would be easier. i was treating it just like a 5050 on a ledge but one of my friends told me to try and land a bit lighter to avoid flipping which in retrospect probably didnt help. ill def try the opposite pressure thing for sure.
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Ah on a square rail, make sure the sides aren't too sticky, or the opposite pressure thing is gonna stick pretty easily
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nah its a square thin rail
(https://i.imgur.com/eg7vh1c.png)
honestly when i was standing on it and pushing i was basically just winging it and doing both types of lock ins but i feel like cross would be easier. i was treating it just like a 5050 on a ledge but one of my friends told me to try and land a bit lighter to avoid flipping which in retrospect probably didnt help. ill def try the opposite pressure thing for sure.
That spot looks really fun, I’m jealous.
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nah its a square thin rail
(https://i.imgur.com/eg7vh1c.png)
honestly when i was standing on it and pushing i was basically just winging it and doing both types of lock ins but i feel like cross would be easier. i was treating it just like a 5050 on a ledge but one of my friends told me to try and land a bit lighter to avoid flipping which in retrospect probably didnt help. ill def try the opposite pressure thing for sure.
you realize you have to grind this thing for all of us now! that shit looks to good
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right now its backside flips.. i always get a nice flick and rotation but land with no speed and put my foot down
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right now its backside flips.. i always get a nice flick and rotation but land with no speed and put my foot down
The ones I don't land look beautiful, and the ones I do land look like varial flip body varials and make me feel shame.
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right now its backside flips.. i always get a nice flick and rotation but land with no speed and put my foot down
Try following your front bolts as a rotation point with your front foot and the back foot should follow by itself. I've also always found that if you aim to flick straight off the middle of the nose/almost on the heel-side of your nose it helps to fold a lot better (only if you fold your back 180s with your front foot rather than scooping it, if you learn back 180s like that you might find backside flips easier). I find that the less effort you put into them the easier they go around. Also this is slightly irrelevant but I found that once I learned dolphin flips (as a joke I know it's a lame trick) my backside flips folded a lot better and were more consistent.
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Also this is slightly irrelevant but I found that once I learned dolphin flips (as a joke I know it's a lame trick) my backside flips folded a lot better and were more consistent.
I wish I was good enough to learn tricks as jokes. Seems like a luxurious lifestyle.
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nah its a square thin rail
(https://i.imgur.com/eg7vh1c.png)
honestly when i was standing on it and pushing i was basically just winging it and doing both types of lock ins but i feel like cross would be easier. i was treating it just like a 5050 on a ledge but one of my friends told me to try and land a bit lighter to avoid flipping which in retrospect probably didnt help. ill def try the opposite pressure thing for sure.
you realize you have to grind this thing for all of us now! that shit looks to good
yeah im gonna try my best, i think im gonna try and just pop onto it from standing still and get used to landing on it and stalling it out just to get used to locking into it as i reckon if i can just get to the point of locking in then i can definitely grind the whole thing as chucking it on and balancing was no issue.
we have alot of random spots like that dotted around, we stumbled upon these not too long back. unfortunately theres posts sticking up in the middle but one of my friends scraped a 5050 on it.
(https://i.imgur.com/HutyxOy.png)
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nah its a square thin rail
(https://i.imgur.com/eg7vh1c.png)
honestly when i was standing on it and pushing i was basically just winging it and doing both types of lock ins but i feel like cross would be easier. i was treating it just like a 5050 on a ledge but one of my friends told me to try and land a bit lighter to avoid flipping which in retrospect probably didnt help. ill def try the opposite pressure thing for sure.
you realize you have to grind this thing for all of us now! that shit looks to good
yeah im gonna try my best, i think im gonna try and just pop onto it from standing still and get used to landing on it and stalling it out just to get used to locking into it as i reckon if i can just get to the point of locking in then i can definitely grind the whole thing as chucking it on and balancing was no issue.
we have alot of random spots like that dotted around, we stumbled upon these not too long back. unfortunately theres posts sticking up in the middle but one of my friends scraped a 5050 on it.
(https://i.imgur.com/HutyxOy.png)
It's so, so much easier to balance while you're moving and I know it's an old skateboarding trope but faster is better. Hopping from a stand still is a harder dumber different trick that won't connect back to what you're trying to do. I know you think it'll work it out in your brain and will suddenly click, but it won't and you're kind of stalling for time.
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thanks for the advice, those blue rails i mentioned above my friend 50'd he did the whole pop on from standing shit. ill figure it out i guess, just in 10 years or so of skating on and off i'd somehow never skated a rail. for some reason theres a distinct lack of them around here
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Also this is slightly irrelevant but I found that once I learned dolphin flips (as a joke I know it's a lame trick) my backside flips folded a lot better and were more consistent.
I wish I was good enough to learn tricks as jokes. Seems like a luxurious lifestyle.
lmao my little brother used to watch chris chann all the time and said it was the "hardest trick in the world" and that he was gonna learn it. It was actually pretty easy and got in down in a couple hours tops, had to do it to fuck with him haha
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Kickflips.
This sounds like bragging, but my kickflips are almost 2 feet high when I do them and it pisses me off when I want to do them into grinds or slides. It works for 5050s, 5-0s and manuals, but it's almost impossible to do them into a trick on the nose. I can't practice flip fs boards without feeling like I'm going to snap my deck in half each try. It takes so much effort to flip it lower and with a fast flick and I still feel like I have no control over them.
One day I land kickflips like 9 out of 10 tries, the next day it's 1/20. Fucking pisses me off. It's the easiest and hardest trick in skateboarding at the same time.
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I’m the opposite. My tre flips flip but rarely rotate the full 360. Halp.
You might be instinctively opening up your shoulders as you pop, when you shouldn't. Think of it as the same problem as kids who can only land kickflips if they turn their body with it. Keep your upper body in check and make sure you don't jump out of your original stance once you've popped (because that's pretty much what the problem is).
Shoulders are every thing
Also your hips. Usually people turn their hips when they turn their shoulders, then they correct their shoulders but still open up their hips. Stay put.
You guys might be on to something here. I was landing a few while being conscious of this.
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Backside flips have come and gone my whole life. I had em down fully as a teenager but not any more.
Anyone deal with that shit where instead of flipping it wraps around your front foot like a half ass front foot impossible? Make it stop.
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Backside flips have come and gone my whole life. I had em down fully as a teenager but not any more.
Anyone deal with that shit where instead of flipping it wraps around your front foot like a half ass front foot impossible? Make it stop.
That happens to my friend a lot because he's trying to 180 a kickflip instead of kickflip a 180.
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sounds like you apply to much downforce and extra shove rotation with your front foot while flicking. maybe try to stay lighter on it and try to consistently flick more outwards. i have this problem a lot as well but when i focus on this i usually get them down for the session. what also helps me to keep the flick cleaner and more or less under me is to imagine to try to kickflip fs nosetap revert something invisible. this helps me keep from overrotating like a varial flip body varial or forcing the board around more than necessary.
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Backside flips have come and gone my whole life. I had em down fully as a teenager but not any more.
Anyone deal with that shit where instead of flipping it wraps around your front foot like a half ass front foot impossible? Make it stop.
Somebody told me yesterday to flick your foot out straight forward and turn your shoulders instead of trying to flick your foot with the board when you've already turned 45-90 degrees like with frontside flips.
Helped for me.
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Back tails - my back 180s have always been a weakness. I don't have trouble popping my tricks but for some reason I have trouble keeping the bs 180 under me. always been a scoop and slide type.
Before I die i need back tails in my life. I can do nollie back tails but there is a mental block with the ollie and lock in.
any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Back tails - my back 180s have always been a weakness. I don't have trouble popping my tricks but for some reason I have trouble keeping the bs 180 under me. always been a scoop and slide type.
Before I die i need back tails in my life. I can do nollie back tails but there is a mental block with the ollie and lock in.
any help would be greatly appreciated.
*following* (I can also do nollie back tails ... on tiny arse little curbs)
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360 flips... Seem to have this weird mental block that always stops me from flicking with my front foot, always end up doing terrible 3shuvs when I try.
You don’t flick a tre flip. It’s a pressure trick. You scoop while the board has tension built up lean back and scoop. Scissor kick and it will hit your foot.
Every tre flip issue is about scoop or the building up of pressure to get it to flip.
When I 3 shuv I have my toes on the tail more and my front foot flat so it doesn’t flip. Maybe you need to hang your toes off the tail more
This is absolutely the worst advice ever. All flip tricks should be properly flicked (out and up regardless of trick). If it’s not flicked it’s a pressure flip = shit. Look at any good tre flippers (Nate Jones, Kalis , Jason Lee...) they all flick. The flick on tre isn’t as pronounced as kickflips but you definitely should flick your tres.
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Nah man pressure flip is off the other wheel weight is forward. That’s why it flips heel flip because the tension is on the toe side wheel and it’s forced under with a scrape. Like an impossible.
Tre flip is similar but it pops off the other wheel because you leaned back and popped it.
It’s not flicked with the side of your front foot like a KICKFLIP or an ollie that throws the tre away from you or gives it an ugly uneven rotation/flip and you will look like I did in 1990.
The right way of doing it is the flip friction is kinda caused by your back heel side wheel that bit the ground as you scooped it. Your front foot is mostly a trap to stop it from over rotation. That’s why we scissor kick. To trap it
You know you’re doing it right when the board will smacks into your front foot.
I should draw a picture or something it’s really hard to explain without a visual
All this can be applied to laser as well you just do the same thing backwards an with your big toe in the other pocket and your front foot’s toes curled off the board.
English is my second language if this is straight unreadable
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fuck a fakie big spin! the most basic little kid trick. i cant do them for shit. front big got it. back big got it. switch front big got it. fuck fakie big spin those shits suck!!!
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never done an inward heel... always half flip it straight into the ground. shit doesn't make sense
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never done an inward heel... always half flip it straight into the ground. shit doesn't make sense
can you cab heel ? i couldn't do them till after i learned that
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never done an inward heel... always half flip it straight into the ground. shit doesn't make sense
can you cab heel ? i couldn't do them till after i learned that
yea i can half cab heel and back heel but it doesn't feel the same at all!
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never done an inward heel... always half flip it straight into the ground. shit doesn't make sense
can you cab heel ? i couldn't do them till after i learned that
yea i can half cab heel and back heel but it doesn't feel the same at all!
set up the same as a cab heel. make it feel like you are standing fakie just look forward. make your body kinda do a shifty to get out of the way of the flip, will also help with the catch
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thanks for the tips.. i will try. but at this point i've basically accepted that i'll never land this trick
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thanks for the tips.. i will try. but at this point i've basically accepted that i'll never land this trick
I worked my way up from gross floppy ones that were more bs shove it heelflips than an inward heel to legitimate ones before the reaper got so close to me and now they're gone. Halfcabs heels were one of my first flip tricks so that one for sure helps. You only have to land one in your life for it to go on your permanent record.
Back tails - my back 180s have always been a weakness. I don't have trouble popping my tricks but for some reason I have trouble keeping the bs 180 under me. always been a scoop and slide type.
Before I die i need back tails in my life. I can do nollie back tails but there is a mental block with the ollie and lock in.
any help would be greatly appreciated.
If you don't already have them, learn back lips. It gets you used to throwing it behind you and then continuing to slide without having to get the 180 as much as you need it for back tails. It only requires you to get your back truck over so it'll build your confidence enough to not push it away while trying to get your tail on. Luckily back tails are one of those tricks that just click one try and then they're yours. The main trick to both is to turn your hips way more than your think, and you shoulders way less. The scoop and slide comes with familiarity.
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thanks for the tips.. i will try. but at this point i've basically accepted that i'll never land this trick
You only have to land one in your life for it to go on your permanent record.
thanks man. inspirational quote of the day! gonna keep trying
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thanks for the tips.. i will try. but at this point i've basically accepted that i'll never land this trick
I worked my way up from gross floppy ones that were more bs shove it heelflips than an inward heel to legitimate ones before the reaper got so close to me and now they're gone. Halfcabs heels were one of my first flip tricks so that one for sure helps. You only have to land one in your life for it to go on your permanent record.
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Back tails - my back 180s have always been a weakness. I don't have trouble popping my tricks but for some reason I have trouble keeping the bs 180 under me. always been a scoop and slide type.
Before I die i need back tails in my life. I can do nollie back tails but there is a mental block with the ollie and lock in.
any help would be greatly appreciated.
If you don't already have them, learn back lips. It gets you used to throwing it behind you and then continuing to slide without having to get the 180 as much as you need it for back tails. It only requires you to get your back truck over so it'll build your confidence enough to not push it away while trying to get your tail on. Luckily back tails are one of those tricks that just click one try and then they're yours. The main trick to both is to turn your hips way more than your think, and you shoulders way less. The scoop and slide comes with familiarity.
thanks for the tips...I might just have to put the forbidden 14 lifestyle on hold to get this.
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never done an inward heel... always half flip it straight into the ground. shit doesn't make sense
Try angling your front foot inwards (big toe pointing diagonally towards the tail) and kick out (not down) in that direction. The jump takes more effort than pop shove-its or varial flips / heels so suck your legs up. It does work like a backside heelflip without the body turn but in reality it doesn't, and shouldn't feel like that at all, but the original position is similar except for the upper body (hips and shoulders). It's an easy trick to pop once you've figured out the timing and technique. I haven't even tried one in fucking forever though, those and hardflips can feel so awkward they are very easy to neglect.
The front foot at an inwards angle tip also works wonders for varial heels by the way.
fuck a fakie big spin! the most basic little kid trick. i cant do them for shit. front big got it. back big got it. switch front big got it. fuck fakie big spin those shits suck!!!
Learn, or work on, fakie pop shoves that pop. Then it's essentially the same thing but you halfcab into it. Explicit I know but good fakie pop shove-it technique eludes a lot of people and is all one needs for this trick.
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thanks for the tips.. i will try. but at this point i've basically accepted that i'll never land this trick
I worked my way up from gross floppy ones that were more bs shove it heelflips than an inward heel to legitimate ones before the reaper got so close to me and now they're gone. Halfcabs heels were one of my first flip tricks so that one for sure helps. You only have to land one in your life for it to go on your permanent record.
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Back tails - my back 180s have always been a weakness. I don't have trouble popping my tricks but for some reason I have trouble keeping the bs 180 under me. always been a scoop and slide type.
Before I die i need back tails in my life. I can do nollie back tails but there is a mental block with the ollie and lock in.
any help would be greatly appreciated.
If you don't already have them, learn back lips. It gets you used to throwing it behind you and then continuing to slide without having to get the 180 as much as you need it for back tails. It only requires you to get your back truck over so it'll build your confidence enough to not push it away while trying to get your tail on. Luckily back tails are one of those tricks that just click one try and then they're yours. The main trick to both is to turn your hips way more than your think, and you shoulders way less. The scoop and slide comes with familiarity.
It'll be worth it for back tails. Nobody has to know.
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I still can't back 5050 properly. I can back 5-0 kind of good but when I try 5050 they turn into an awkward feeble to boardslide to fakie. I know it's in the shoulders but I still can't manage to find a way to consistency.
Also backtails, I'm scared of them to the point I can't often pop to at least stick them. It must be because I picture myself getting thrown back on my face if that makes sense. Should be just more practice and more balls.
I read your advice sfb but bs lips are total strangers to begin with. I'll try with more hip movement. And more balls.
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I still can't back 5050 properly. I can back 5-0 kind of good but when I try 5050 they turn into an awkward feeble to boardslide to fakie. I know it's in the shoulders but I still can't manage to find a way to consistency.
Also backtails, I'm scared of them to the point I can't often pop to at least stick them. It must be because I picture myself getting thrown back on my face if that makes sense. Should be just more practice and more balls.
I read your advice sfb but bs lips are total strangers to begin with. I'll try with more hip movement. And more balls.
I just go straight at it and practice the stall. Treat the ledge like a quarter pipe. Maybe not on a waxy part if you’v never gotten into it before
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I still can't back 5050 properly. I can back 5-0 kind of good but when I try 5050 they turn into an awkward feeble to boardslide to fakie. I know it's in the shoulders but I still can't manage to find a way to consistency.
Also backtails, I'm scared of them to the point I can't often pop to at least stick them. It must be because I picture myself getting thrown back on my face if that makes sense. Should be just more practice and more balls.
I read your advice sfb but bs lips are total strangers to begin with. I'll try with more hip movement. And more balls.
Get used to bs lips on a parking block. Treat them like disasters at first and then you'll slide some and move up to a flat rail. I really think bs lip is the easiest way to unlock the harder tier of bs tricks and the only thing you have to be able to do to get them is be able to swing your back truck over something.
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fuck a fakie big spin! the most basic little kid trick. i cant do them for shit. front big got it. back big got it. switch front big got it. fuck fakie big spin those shits suck!!!
Put your popping foot in front shuv position, other foot somewhere in the middle, pop straight down, no scoop.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/Bx8GftZBCku/?igshid=10zu866t7favh
Here’s a great example of a tre that’s 99% back foot
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I can't do regular frontside or backside flips. It takes all my effort to get the 180 variation and flip the board. My backside flips when I can get one barely pop and it's disgusting and rocketed. Oddly enough I can do nollie frontside flips and switch backside flips..
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fuckn switch frontside flips seem easy for everyone else but me
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Frontside shuvits. I can do them but it takes 110% effort. Switch ones are easier for me. I’ve been making myself do them and find it funny when I’m drenched in sweat after landing 2 or 3. I love the way they feel when I catch a good one though so I’m hoping the motion becomes more natural.
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For anyone struggling with regular kickflips, I found this old tutorial I watched as a kid and now I have them back. The tip for me was in the backfoot position. Maybe it will help someone.
https://youtu.be/wSa1TlAxtkM (https://youtu.be/wSa1TlAxtkM)
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Fs 180’s and shuvs. Used to be god tier at 180’s but now they all of a sudden have seasonal depression on me and decide they don’t want to work. I wind up fine and I rotate fine but I for the love of my life can’t roll fakie anymore! Maybe my trucks are to loose. Also for shuvs does anyone have a good tip to get the back foot to stay on? Landed one the other day while holding onto a fence but I tried without and my back foot just says “nah”.
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This is gonna sound so fucking stupid, but I hate fs 180s so much, I can't land a single one that doesn't look like shit, and my switch fs 180s look way better.
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This is gonna sound so fucking stupid, but I hate fs 180s so much, I can't land a single one that doesn't look like shit, and my switch fs 180s look way better.
I look like a newborn fawn on switch fs 180’s.
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This is gonna sound so fucking stupid, but I hate fs 180s so much, I can't land a single one that doesn't look like shit, and my switch fs 180s look way better.
I think you are backside inclined then no? frontside 180 tricks have never worked for me, backside and switch frontside are fine though
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I have problems nose manny since I started doing tricks again.
I can G-turn I can switch manny I can fakie manny
but front nose grind and landing nose manny takes like 20+ tries and feels fucking awful.
I almost want to blame the gear and say it’s the tall loose trucks but it definitely lack of practice.
I maybe going to set up an 7.8 board with my old thunders and some 50mm wheels see what happens
To me switch nose is not as essential as regular nose grind. Maybe I should try skating my board backwards.
Maybe it’s because I’m skating metal ledges that don’t bite.
I can nose grind the orchard bowl?
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This is gonna sound so fucking stupid, but I hate fs 180s so much, I can't land a single one that doesn't look like shit, and my switch fs 180s look way better.
Yeah, I've got good bs 180s and can bs flip and heel but I cant do fs for shit
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Skate your board backwards for a FS Shuv, pop off the nose
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For anyone struggling with regular kickflips, I found this old tutorial I watched as a kid and now I have them back. The tip for me was in the backfoot position. Maybe it will help someone.
https://youtu.be/wSa1TlAxtkM (https://youtu.be/wSa1TlAxtkM)
Doesn't work for pretty much everyone who skates loose trucks :/
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I skate loose trucks myself and works for me but yeah I can see what you’re saying.
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yo just wanted to chime in and say i goddamn slayed those bs 50s on that knee high curb. sooooo pleased with myself. like i even did three in a row. then i tried to bs 5-0 and almost killed myself and two innocent bystanders.
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Stand up grinds in transition. My brain short-circuits every time I get close to the coping.
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For fs shuvs:
Have your front foot in the middle of the board. When doing it, have the foot at an angle, like when doing flicks, or move it away from the board to give it space. Oh and you have to jump.
Alot of beginners doesnt jump, they just "jump" against the board, not giving it room to do the trick.
But yes, I cant wiff a fs shuv either, I have to kinda pop it solidly.
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Stand up grinds in transition. My brain short-circuits every time I get close to the coping.
I'd practice by doing manual roll outs on the deck first to get on top. Then try doing your manuals as closer and closer to the coping as possible. Then get the balls to get on the coping.
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Back fifty. Just doesnt seem to make sense to me. I used to be able to do them on everything even roundrails like 10+ years ago, but now I either land next to the curb*, my feet on top of it without my board, or will get into a suski grind.
Of course now I have build them up in my head as the be all end all trick that would make skating around the city 100x more fun. Any advice? I think its my foot positioning.
*oh how the mighty have fallen :(
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Back fifty. Just doesnt seem to make sense to me. I used to be able to do them on everything even roundrails like 10+ years ago, but now I either land next to the curb*, my feet on top of it without my board, or will get into a suski grind.
Of course now I have build them up in my head as the be all end all trick that would make skating around the city 100x more fun. Any advice? I think its my foot positioning.
*oh how the mighty have fallen :(
I was trying to help a friend learn them the other day. My best tip is to learn stalls first, approaching the ledge/curb straight on so you’re doing a 90 degree Ollie. Once you’re comfortable with that, gradually decrease angle of approach and increase speed. Helps me to put my back truck down on the ledge first. In regards to foot positioning, I set up basically like a back 180.
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Back fifty. Just doesnt seem to make sense to me. I used to be able to do them on everything even roundrails like 10+ years ago, but now I either land next to the curb*, my feet on top of it without my board, or will get into a suski grind.
Of course now I have build them up in my head as the be all end all trick that would make skating around the city 100x more fun. Any advice? I think its my foot positioning.
*oh how the mighty have fallen :(
I was trying to help a friend learn them the other day. My best tip is to learn stalls first, approaching the ledge/curb straight on so you’re doing a 90 degree Ollie. Once you’re comfortable with that, gradually decrease angle of approach and increase speed. Helps me to put my back truck down on the ledge first. In regards to foot positioning, I set up basically like a back 180.
i always tell people not to overthink it. it's a much easier trick than it actually seems. if you can front fifty... you got it. just try ollieing up onto the ledge facing backside and get comfortable doing that... you might even lock into some back fiftys doing this. on foot positioning... i always have my front foot a little lower for backside grinds and do just the slightest scoop with my back foot in the outside pocket (like a back 180). you got this
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Frontside flips.
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Back fifty. Just doesnt seem to make sense to me. I used to be able to do them on everything even roundrails like 10+ years ago, but now I either land next to the curb*, my feet on top of it without my board, or will get into a suski grind.
Of course now I have build them up in my head as the be all end all trick that would make skating around the city 100x more fun. Any advice? I think its my foot positioning.
*oh how the mighty have fallen :(
I was trying to help a friend learn them the other day. My best tip is to learn stalls first, approaching the ledge/curb straight on so you’re doing a 90 degree Ollie. Once you’re comfortable with that, gradually decrease angle of approach and increase speed. Helps me to put my back truck down on the ledge first. In regards to foot positioning, I set up basically like a back 180.
That makes a lot of sense. Gunna try this over the weekend.
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backside powerslides. tips appreciated
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backside powerslides. tips appreciated
. Carve frontside first (this is old SLAP wisdom) before you chuck your body into them. Skate F4s on some smooth ground and remember to keep your head facing forward.
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Tryna get a good Nollie like shuriken. He has clean nollies.
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backside powerslides. tips appreciated
thanks imp. head facing forward is a good tip. purchased a new pair of f4s just the other day!
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backside powerslides. tips appreciated
thanks imp. head facing forward is a good tip. purchased a new pair of f4s just the other day!
all good! Also, you know how it’s all
In your heels when you do frontside powerslides? Well it’s all your toes when do backside!
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BS 180s. Spinning with my back turned towards the direction I'm going just doesn't feel natural for me. It's hard for me to commit all the way for the spin. I usually do half the 180.
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BS 180s. Spinning with my back turned towards the direction I'm going just doesn't feel natural for me. It's hard for me to commit all the way for the spin. I usually do half the 180.
my best buddy does the funniest bs 180s. it's basically an ollie to nose pivot. he can bs grind and slide fine and can do them switch with a scoop, but he can only do bs flip tricks. i used to kill him off with a low effort bs 180 in our warm up games of skate when he couldn't do them at all.
for hints, if wanted, try and learn to bs 180 pivot to fakie. like a bs 180 powerslide done like a manual if that makes sense. then add pop. first just try to land them scooped. if you got that blind landing down, you can start to control the rotation and add height. if you want to go over higher stuff, the scoop happens mid air, you want to pop off clean at an angle, but have already initiated rotation with your shoulders. you want to clear the obstacle at approx. 60 degree angle and let your feet follow your shoulders, focus on your nose for where you land and use your back foot to scoop the board around for the remaining 100-120 degrees rotation.
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old slap advice for back 180s: look at your back foot before popping and keep looking at it until you fully rotate
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old slap advice for back 180s: look at your back foot before popping and keep looking at it until you fully rotate
Cool thanks. Yeah that sounds like it might work me. I'll give it a try next time. Cheers.
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BS 180s. Spinning with my back turned towards the direction I'm going just doesn't feel natural for me. It's hard for me to commit all the way for the spin. I usually do half the 180.
my best buddy does the funniest bs 180s. it's basically an ollie to nose pivot. he can bs grind and slide fine and can do them switch with a scoop, but he can only do bs flip tricks. i used to kill him off with a low effort bs 180 in our warm up games of skate when he couldn't do them at all.
for hints, if wanted, try and learn to bs 180 pivot to fakie. like a bs 180 powerslide done like a manual if that makes sense. then add pop. first just try to land them scooped. if you got that blind landing down, you can start to control the rotation and add height. if you want to go over higher stuff, the scoop happens mid air, you want to pop off clean at an angle, but have already initiated rotation with your shoulders. you want to clear the obstacle at approx. 60 degree angle and let your feet follow your shoulders, focus on your nose for where you land and use your back foot to scoop the board around for the remaining 100-120 degrees rotation.
Sweet yeah I get what your saying on the pivot. Kind of like doing bs disasters with just the scoop without doing an Ollie. Yeah Ill try a bunch of those to get used to the rotation. Thanks man.
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Lately, kickflip, kickflip, kickflip lol it seems like the more of them I do the worse I get at them temporarily. Maybe I begin to overthink it, idk. My best kickflips are spontaneous, and when I’m trying a trick with kickflip in it, many tries (Like kickflip nose manual for example) Istart to temporarily lose the trick, something with the flick I think
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Nothing pisses me off more than the fact that I lost backside flips. Used to be a go to. I don’t understand.
The board wraps around my foot like a front foot impossible.
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Nothing pisses me off more than the fact that I lost backside flips. Used to be a go to. I don’t understand.
The board wraps around my foot like a front foot impossible.
Are you mobbing the flick too far straight off the nose? Maybe try flick more up, off the side and try get your foot out of the way. Had this same problem for a little bit.
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Anyone got BS Feeble tips?
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Anyone got BS Feeble tips?
It helped a lot when I started looking ahead on the rail and jumping forward onto it. That actually helps with a lot of tricks, but especially the bs feeble. Also experiment with pre-pop back foot placement so that you can try to get that pinch.
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What's up with fiveos mid ledge? I have them anytime if I do them out of the ledge but if I have to pop them out I instantly fall back on my ass, super frustrating.
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What's up with fiveos mid ledge? I have them anytime if I do them out of the ledge but if I have to pop them out I instantly fall back on my ass, super frustrating.
Do you have good control on ollies out of manuals, because it's essentially the same thing except you go slightly sideways? Ledge end bonk style five-o's are like truck bashes whereas mid-ledge ones you actually have to stay on top and balance them, you want the stability. So maybe try standing on them for longer before you dismount just to see if that's your problem?
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What's up with fiveos mid ledge? I have them anytime if I do them out of the ledge but if I have to pop them out I instantly fall back on my ass, super frustrating.
Can't do them backside, but for frontside I think its easier if you drag your tail and slightly angle it like a suski. Might help to think about it like a 5-0 to tailslide then pop out but really really quick. Obviously don't actually drop into a tailslide but the shimmying motion isn't too different.
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Lately, kickflips have been giving me trouble. At times I have good ones and then sometimes I lose them for a session ( actually I don’t lose them but the quality of my kickflips goes down a good amount)
Also a weird one is inward heelflip
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For some reason nollie heels go up my butthole. I am way better at nollie front heel. It makes no sense
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BS Boardslide on a down rail. I can boardslide the longer rail that's on flatground but as soon as I roll up to a down rail I lose all commitment. 100% mental.
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Switch heelflips... I hate them... it's like 1/3 that I crack my board when I am fortunate enough to land one
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Switch heelflips... I hate them... it'no like 1/3 that I crack my board when I am fortunate enough to land one
Mine just flop for the most part and I hate the feeling of that trick, I approach them like backwards nollie heels and that throws me off. On the other hand, I absolutely love white rappers / switch varial heels and find those dumb easy, for some reason the frontside shove-it helps. Nollie heels work but even then, I'm like the credit card dude above and really prefer to do nollie front heels most of the time. Switch heels also seem to be the number one show off trick in my area right now, just like yo'd out 3 shoves and that doesn't help me appreciating them. I'm much more of a switch flip guy despite learning those much, much later than switch heels.
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BS Boardslide on a down rail. I can boardslide the longer rail that's on flatground but as soon as I roll up to a down rail I lose all commitment. 100% mental.
Hop on it kinda on the side then just hop off that way you have a feel for it first. When you're actually trying it just lean forward a little once you get on.
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Frontside 50-50's just piss me the fuck off. My front shoulder just won't stop turning so i always end up in a shitty front feeble on a ledge. Anyone else have basic tricks that just piss them off to no end?
This is me with Front 5-0 and front tails. Nosegrinds and front crooks aren't as mental for me.
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For some reason nollie heels go up my butthole. I am way better at nollie front heel. It makes no sense
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZcZNPywCy4
This helped for me.
With regular heels or switch heels, the flick comes quicker after the pop. With nollie heels you have to nollie and then heelflip. The difference is like a fraction of a second, but that was the problem for me.
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No complys. I really want to be able to do no comply 360's but the trick just feels so awkward to me and I only get them every so often with absolutely no style involved ha
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I still can't do stand up grinds or even stalls
Slipping out or awkward toes only scrapes have been my best showings
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No complys. I really want to be able to do no comply 360's but the trick just feels so awkward to me and I only get them every so often with absolutely no style involved ha
my frontside ones suck/ are non-existent but if you wind up your shoulders a lot on a backside one, you can usually pop it 270 and then just revert the final 90 degrees. My style on them sucks too so maybe I should keep following the replies? Anyone remember the user on here with the dude in shorts doing the most perfect frontside 360 one in his sig? shit is textbook
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No complys. I really want to be able to do no comply 360's but the trick just feels so awkward to me and I only get them every so often with absolutely no style involved ha
This just reminded me that I had a dream last night I was doing a ton of them.
Tricks that grind my gears...hmm
Slappies, because they were kind of getting popular when I stopped skating, but that shit blew up and everyone can do them but I don't know where to begin.
Oh and anything other than tricks done in my stance or fake. It's weird I can usually do nollie flips quick, even though I wouldn't even try them except for like once a month, but I never had and still don't have the patience to learn them. It feels weird because I never practiced them, and so they never started feeling more natural. Now I'm older I'm like why would I want to learn something that feels weird? But I need to realize that once I get switch and nollie progress going it will probably feel fun to learn new stuff.
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Slappies are probably the hardest trick to teach because what you think you're doing and what you're actually doing are totally different things. This thread does the best job at explaining/breaking them down though: https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=61105.0
My personal advice would be to find a tiny curb (inch tall or less) and go at it with both your feet over the bolts. It'll unlock the part of your brain where they make sense and then it's off to the races. Kinda like wallies, they're one of those tricks that are actually stupid easy once you do a few and you'll wonder why it didn't make sense sooner.
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Kickflip.... Seems very common that the basic kickflip is an issue for even more advanced guys
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3fucking60 fucking flips, FUCK EM
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Frontside flips, I should really have them down by now. My body just twists, seems to get stuck and I kick the board out.
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No complys. I really want to be able to do no comply 360's but the trick just feels so awkward to me and I only get them every so often with absolutely no style involved ha
Can't even begin backside, but the trick to frontside is put the back foot in the pocket and keep it between the legs. It will feel horribly uncomfortable but it's the only way I've figured out how to control them. I also do the full pop, bring it around way, as oppose to pivot at the end. Not saying it's better but there may be another technique for the other way.
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Funny you quoted that as I was working on my backside ones over the weekend. Like your frontside tip, if you put your foot deeper into the pocket you can pretty much pop them 270 without too much trouble. I also put my front foot on the ground in wider stance than I would for the 180 versions if that makes sense?
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360 flips. been battling them for ten fuckng years ive fnally accepted that its just not a trick for me.
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360 flips. been battling them for ten fuckng years ive fnally accepted that its just not a trick for me.
I accepted this fact for myself when i was at my peak of skateboarding and just couldnt figure them out, dont think ive even tried one for over 5 years now.
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360 flips make a lot more sense to me nollie/switch which is something I’ll just have to accept and move on I guess.
Back tails are so frustrating as I always land on them then they stick or I fall off. I only landed it once.
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You guys should keep trying 360 flips. I also never thought I'd get them but try to fling a couple every time I skate and I've only landed a handful but I've landed some.
Sometimes I get a new board with a slightly larger wheelbase and it throws off the scoop so maybe try a shorter wheelbase board, or stick with the same exact deck dimensions for a little bit and see if it helps.
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Back 5050s and Front boards. I can't fucking front board a flatbar, I've done it before but I've gotten close to eating the rail and I just don't try them anymore. I am terrified of back 5050s also (even on ledges) especially after seeing my friend smash his face on the floor on an over-waxed ledge. I've probably done more flip back 5050s than back 5050s tbh, and those can be counted with fingers on one hand. I just can't control my ollie properly it seems. I am doomed to suck ass at ledges and rails.
Crooked grinds as well, used to have them on rails but now I just get into a noseslide when I try them on ledges. I can think of every way I'm doing it wrong but I just can't bring my body to do it right, it's annoying as fuck!
Also, switch pop shuvs and switch back 180s. Man I am blowing it!
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I have never had k-grind pop out. I've done a few, but I'm not comfortable with them, which is weird since I got both bs and fs nosegrind pop out.
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I have never had k-grind pop out. I've done a few, but I'm not comfortable with them, which is weird since I got both bs and fs nosegrind pop out.
Same. Any time I pop out to regular, it feels more like luck than anything else. I mainly just fall out to fakie and feel a twinge of shame.
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You guys should keep trying 360 flips. I also never thought I'd get them but try to fling a couple every time I skate and I've only landed a handful but I've landed some.
Sometimes I get a new board with a slightly larger wheelbase and it throws off the scoop so maybe try a shorter wheelbase board, or stick with the same exact deck dimensions for a little bit and see if it helps.
I need to get back in the habit of just flatground practising, its been a while since ive tried something new, last few times ive skated ive just stuck to what i know but im overdue to learn something new
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I don’t want to look back through the whole thread can someone give me any tips for frontside flips? I’ve been trying them forever and I’m not making any progress, I can land them with my back foot but it’s not a commitment thing, if I try to land with both feet I don’t even come close.
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You guys should keep trying 360 flips. I also never thought I'd get them but try to fling a couple every time I skate and I've only landed a handful but I've landed some.
Sometimes I get a new board with a slightly larger wheelbase and it throws off the scoop so maybe try a shorter wheelbase board, or stick with the same exact deck dimensions for a little bit and see if it helps.
its a weird one with me, some days i can land every one i try and some days they just dont work. it's not that i absolutley cannot do them - that would be less frustrating haha. Inconsistancy and the fugly nature of the ones i do land have worn me down.
Every skatepark baby can do them on command now anyways, i shant embarrass myself any longer haha
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Just pushing without looking like a clumsy asshole is hard enough for me... let alone any basic flip tricks
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same with backside 50/50...
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Nothing pisses me off more than the fact that I lost backside flips. Used to be a go to. I don’t understand.
The board wraps around my foot like a front foot impossible.
Got these back yesterday after them being gone for over a year and a half and I could’ve shed a tear.
Really learning that all of my problems and their solutions lie in the shoulders.
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Nothing pisses me off more than the fact that I lost backside flips. Used to be a go to. I don’t understand.
The board wraps around my foot like a front foot impossible.
Got these back yesterday after them being gone for over a year and a half and I could’ve shed a tear.
Really learning that all of my problems and their solutions lie in the shoulders.
Fuck yeah dude. 👊
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Nothing pisses me off more than the fact that I lost backside flips. Used to be a go to. I don’t understand.
The board wraps around my foot like a front foot impossible.
Got these back yesterday after them being gone for over a year and a half and I could’ve shed a tear.
Really learning that all of my problems and their solutions lie in the shoulders.
Fuck yeah dude. 👊
👊🏾 Feels good
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Hardflips...I landed one once by doing a frontside flip and pulling my body back to regular, but it felt like I was tricking myself into it and it wasn't real.
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Hardflips...I landed one once by doing a frontside flip and pulling my body back to regular, but it felt like I was tricking myself into it and it wasn't real.
I’m close but never can do good ones. I land 45 degrees backside and stop or tick tack, can’t get that last part where you whip it back to ride away straight. Save me B Herm
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Ill land a 360 flip before i nab a hardflip, that seems impossible to me
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I am terrified of fs 5-0 grinds and fs kickturns on transition. Feels really awkward when i try those.
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Backside 180 nosegrinds have been upsetting me. I can technically do it most times but it almost always feels like cheating, not like the unmistakable friction slide of a true grind. It doesn't feel like backside 180 switch 5-0, it feels like a contorted uncomfortable overrotated front crook. A few times I have felt the real connection, but the trick is elusive.
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Frontside 360 ollies. Best I can get is an over-rotated front 180 where I revert the rest of the way, maybe close to 270 if I'm on a mellow bank.
Any advice is appreciated.
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Frontside 360 ollies. Best I can get is an over-rotated front 180 where I revert the rest of the way, maybe close to 270 if I'm on a mellow bank.
Any advice is appreciated.
Wind up and pop high.
I set up for a higher ollie and wind up enough that my front shoulder dips. I learned them up a euro gap, 'twas helpful.
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I don’t want to look back through the whole thread can someone give me any tips for frontside flips? I’ve been trying them forever and I’m not making any progress, I can land them with my back foot but it’s not a commitment thing, if I try to land with both feet I don’t even come close.
I just learned these a few days ago. I turn way more than I thought I needed to and it works for me somehow, I always also aim to land on the nose so I can pivot it and get more control over them, but for some reason I always land a full 180 because I wind up ALL the way.
Also, I fucking suck at frontside ollies on flat so I guess I'm overcompensating somehow. But yeah, turn more than you think you have to, wind those shoulders up and just get both feet on the board no matter what.
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Have I mentioned that I can’t powerslide? Because I can’t powerslide and would like to.
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Have I mentioned that I can’t powerslide? Because I can’t powerslide and would like to.
I'm not very good at powerslides at all but the way I was taught them is to carve into them. For a frontside powerslide, carve backside and then immediately afterwards frontside. Go fast enough. Also you can build it up from doing reverts. Slowly you'll get the front wheels to slide as well when you feel more comfortable with it. Also Formula Fours really help. Slight downhill helps too. Nothing too crazy though cuz then you'll be going so fast that you're scared shitless. 🙂
Edit: This is for 180° powerslides which I feel are easier initially. Once you get them down more consistent it's easier to turn it back to normal kinda like from a boardslide. 🤔
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I don’t want to look back through the whole thread can someone give me any tips for frontside flips? I’ve been trying them forever and I’m not making any progress, I can land them with my back foot but it’s not a commitment thing, if I try to land with both feet I don’t even come close.
I just learned these a few days ago. I turn way more than I thought I needed to and it works for me somehow, I always also aim to land on the nose so I can pivot it and get more control over them, but for some reason I always land a full 180 because I wind up ALL the way.
Also, I fucking suck at frontside ollies on flat so I guess I'm overcompensating somehow. But yeah, turn more than you think you have to, wind those shoulders up and just get both feet on the board no matter what.
this works but I got to appoint where i broke a board on almost every fs flip i did so i stopped doing them, now i cant.. always try to land bolts kids.
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Lost my heelflip, it hurts. I can land one out of 10 tries, out these 1 out 3 does not look disgusting. I ve been riding second hand wheels for a while, they are so thin and I am currently riding a dead second hand board. Maybe there is something going on there. I hope.
Also Ollie north, I don't get it. this kids at the plaza always gives a letter with this one.
Nollie Bigspin, I am very close to it, I feel that I will be able to do it all the time soon but right now it's sketchy.
I also have the ugliest/shittiest half cab ever which does not help when I try half cab heel.
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Lost my heelflip, it hurts. I can land one out of 10 tries, out these 1 out 3 does not look disgusting. I ve been riding second hand wheels for a while, they are so thin and I am currently riding a dead second hand board. Maybe there is something going on there. I hope.
Also Ollie north, I don't get it. this kids at the plaza always gives a letter with this one.
Nollie Bigspin, I am very close to it, I feel that I will be able to do it all the time soon but right now it's sketchy.
I also have the ugliest/shittiest half cab ever which does not help when I try half cab heel.
a new board and a lot of practice youll be all good
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Fuck bs 50's on small ledges. I always overshoot my front truck and it turns into a gross board slide. Lots of switch stuff bugs me too but that's my fault for neglecting it.
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Lost my heelflip, it hurts. I can land one out of 10 tries, out these 1 out 3 does not look disgusting. I ve been riding second hand wheels for a while, they are so thin and I am currently riding a dead second hand board. Maybe there is something going on there. I hope.
Also Ollie north, I don't get it. this kids at the plaza always gives a letter with this one.
Nollie Bigspin, I am very close to it, I feel that I will be able to do it all the time soon but right now it's sketchy.
I also have the ugliest/shittiest half cab ever which does not help when I try half cab heel.
Maybe try treating ollie one-foots like kickflips or heelflips except you don't flick your ankle at all (keep it stiff, may be unnatural at first if you're used to flip tricks) and kick past the front bolts and straight off the nose. You're essentially trying to get that nose to come down, back foot on the tail should naturally prevent the board from flipping by keeping it flat, don't think about it like you have to ollie and then try to get your foot off because unless you have Tim O'Connor genes that's not going to work. Or you could try it the Ron Allen way which is completely different.
For halfcabs, just practice treating them exactly like big ollies on flatground except you basically roll up backwards and literally carve into one. Should help you figure out how the trick exactly works.
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Lost my heelflip, it hurts. I can land one out of 10 tries, out these 1 out 3 does not look disgusting. I ve been riding second hand wheels for a while, they are so thin and I am currently riding a dead second hand board. Maybe there is something going on there. I hope.
Also Ollie north, I don't get it. this kids at the plaza always gives a letter with this one.
Nollie Bigspin, I am very close to it, I feel that I will be able to do it all the time soon but right now it's sketchy.
I also have the ugliest/shittiest half cab ever which does not help when I try half cab heel.
My bs half cabs kinda went to shit the last few months and I would end up kicking them away, I guess because I have been messing with my setups but I found that I need to give it a good pop almost like a I’m just going to do a fakie Ollie and then turn my shoulder, instead of turning my shoulders while I’m popping. But that’s just how I fixed mine
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I hate it when my front toe ends up hanging off my board on half cabs.....I guess the key is put your feet more like a kickflip to counter it.
When that trick is going for me, it's a fakie Ollie with my head turned and the rest just happens...
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I fought a frontside ollie over some cones for like 20 minutes and then watched the footage and i looked like a 6'2" 3rd grader
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Shuvs both bs and fs.
For the life of me can't keep them under me and is fucking me over when progressing my flat ground.
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I hate it when my front toe ends up hanging off my board on half cabs.....I guess the key is put your feet more like a kickflip to counter it.
When that trick is going for me, it's a fakie Ollie with my head turned and the rest just happens...
let me guess backside ones, that also happens to me. Frontside halfcabs are my most consistent trick lol. I have never not landed a clean one, and I ate shit on a normal Ollie last month lol.
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Shuvs both bs and fs.
For the life of me can't keep them under me and is fucking me over when progressing my flat ground.
a skatepark elder once told me for shuv tricks imagine theres a square around you.
if youre regs doing a front shuv, you start in the bottom right corner of the square, when you pop aim to land in the top left corner. youll be on your board for sure.
bs works the opposite way - bottom left to top right.
eventually the movement becomes second nature and your forget about the square
sounds dumb as shit but give it a try. it will work
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thanks for the feedback, I think I got my heelflip back.
The problem is that I overthink it way way way to much and take every little movement I do into consideration for why it works or does not. Like how my knees directing at and things like that. Thankfully in only happens with Heelflip.
Going to try and learn ollie north today using those tips.
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Have I mentioned that I can’t powerslide? Because I can’t powerslide and would like to.
I'm not very good at powerslides at all but the way I was taught them is to carve into them. For a frontside powerslide, carve backside and then immediately afterwards frontside. Go fast enough. Also you can build it up from doing reverts. Slowly you'll get the front wheels to slide as well when you feel more comfortable with it. Also Formula Fours really help. Slight downhill helps too. Nothing too crazy though cuz then you'll be going so fast that you're scared shitless. 🙂
Edit: This is for 180° powerslides which I feel are easier initially. Once you get them down more consistent it's easier to turn it back to normal kinda like from a boardslide. 🤔
Formula 4 makes power sliding easier for sure. I was thinking about a trick tip when I was doing them at lunch and I came up with the following:
Find a smooth asphalt parking lot and if it was recently sealed the better. Skate fast to an outside corner a make a tight frontside turn. Push your back heal into the turn and push your front foot straight. You are basically cutting the corner and with enough speed and lean your wheels will break free.
You could also pretend to lipslide a painted white line.
Backside power slides are much harder. I can only cheese those by doing a little shifty and picking my front wheels up.
I’m sure if you spent an hour doing nothing but you would start to get it.
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Shuvs both bs and fs.
For the life of me can't keep them under me and is fucking me over when progressing my flat ground.
a skatepark elder once told me for shuv tricks imagine theres a square around you.
if youre regs doing a front shuv, you start in the bottom right corner of the square, when you pop aim to land in the top left corner. youll be on your board for sure.
bs works the opposite way - bottom left to top right.
eventually the movement becomes second nature and your forget about the square
sounds dumb as shit but give it a try. it will work
Cheers ill give it a go
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Shuvs both bs and fs.
For the life of me can't keep them under me and is fucking me over when progressing my flat ground.
a skatepark elder once told me for shuv tricks imagine theres a square around you.
if youre regs doing a front shuv, you start in the bottom right corner of the square, when you pop aim to land in the top left corner. youll be on your board for sure.
bs works the opposite way - bottom left to top right.
eventually the movement becomes second nature and your forget about the square
sounds dumb as shit but give it a try. it will work
This is sick. How many buckets of water did you have to carry to the pagoda for this knowledge?
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Shuvs both bs and fs.
For the life of me can't keep them under me and is fucking me over when progressing my flat ground.
a skatepark elder once told me for shuv tricks imagine theres a square around you.
if youre regs doing a front shuv, you start in the bottom right corner of the square, when you pop aim to land in the top left corner. youll be on your board for sure.
bs works the opposite way - bottom left to top right.
eventually the movement becomes second nature and your forget about the square
sounds dumb as shit but give it a try. it will work
This is sick. How many buckets of water did you have to carry to the pagoda for this knowledge?
I’ve always thought of it as more of a 4-dimensional hypercube, but I guess a square could work too.
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Shuvs both bs and fs.
For the life of me can't keep them under me and is fucking me over when progressing my flat ground.
a skatepark elder once told me for shuv tricks imagine theres a square around you.
if youre regs doing a front shuv, you start in the bottom right corner of the square, when you pop aim to land in the top left corner. youll be on your board for sure.
bs works the opposite way - bottom left to top right.
eventually the movement becomes second nature and your forget about the square
sounds dumb as shit but give it a try. it will work
This is sick. How many buckets of water did you have to carry to the pagoda for this knowledge?
many, but not enough to learn the ancient art of the 360 flip
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Shuvs both bs and fs.
For the life of me can't keep them under me and is fucking me over when progressing my flat ground.
a skatepark elder once told me for shuv tricks imagine theres a square around you.
if youre regs doing a front shuv, you start in the bottom right corner of the square, when you pop aim to land in the top left corner. youll be on your board for sure.
bs works the opposite way - bottom left to top right.
eventually the movement becomes second nature and your forget about the square
sounds dumb as shit but give it a try. it will work
This is sick. How many buckets of water did you have to carry to the pagoda for this knowledge?
many, but not enough to learn the ancient art of the 360 flip
I dunno if this might help but the thing thing that helped me the most with tre's was actually focusing on my front foot. Whenever I watched a YT video or heard someone explain them they always said the front foot didn't really do much compared to the backfoot. For the longest time my tres were garbage because of that. Once I finally started making a concerted effort to drag and flick my front foot they stayed under me. I also find it's one of those tricks that has you face the nose of your board with more open shoulders. It's also honestly just a hard fuckin trick.
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nowadays 50-50 grinds piss me of. both fs and bs. either I get into feebles or I will just jump straight on the ledge without grinding. how can I lock better into 50s?
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nowadays 50-50 grinds piss me of. both fs and bs. either I get into feebles or I will just jump straight on the ledge without grinding. how can I lock better into 50s?
Try locking in one truck at a time. Ollie and aim your front truck towards the edge of the ledge and then follow through with the back truck. Apply the same idea to both fs and bs.
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nowadays 50-50 grinds piss me of. both fs and bs. either I get into feebles or I will just jump straight on the ledge without grinding. how can I lock better into 50s?
Try locking in one truck at a time. Ollie and aim your front truck towards the edge of the ledge and then follow through with the back truck. Apply the same idea to both fs and bs.
thanks mate, I will try it next time.
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Thanks for the powerslide tips, we’ll see. When I was a kid the closest I would come to powerslides was through piles of leaves in the fall. ‘tis the season I suppose
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Thanks for the powerslide tips, we’ll see. When I was a kid the closest I would come to powerslides was through piles of leaves in the fall. ‘tis the season I suppose
I learned 180 powerslides before I could do the ones that return to straight. You just put a good percentage of your weight on your front foot, turn your shoulders and your hips and feet will follow. Back foot sweeps around aided by heel pressure (for frontside) or toe pressure (backside) on the edges of your board. Definitely ok to hang toe or heel over the edge of the board.
Those both give you the feeling of sliding your back wheels.
I generally can't do good non 180 BS slides but for Frontside hang that heel, crouch, put a little weight on the front foot then kick your back leg out straight. You need to be moving with a bit of speed to get those to work.
Definitely learn them on well worn, smooth asphalt - it's the easiest surface to slide but not completely slip out on. New perfectly smooth concrete, tennis courts or older parks with grainy concrete can be really difficult to slide.
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Kickflips. It feels like my grip is either too grippy or too slick 99% of the time. God I fucking suck at kickflips. Kickflip variations, no problem. Heelflips, no problem.
I also don't do enough of them. I'll get them pretty dialed but lose them quick.
Fakie and nollie flips are easier for me but they're definitely not great either.
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Kickflips. It feels like my grip is either too grippy or too slick 99% of the time. God I fucking suck at kickflips. Kickflip variations, no problem. Heelflips, no problem.
I also don't do enough of them. I'll get them pretty dialed but lose them quick.
Fakie and nollie flips are easier for me but they're definitely not great either.
Only time I have good kickflips is when I have a good portion of my foot on the board, I always would have too much off and lean frontside resulting in a terrible kickflip.
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I can pop big spins but I always slide the last 90 degrees and its such a disgusting feeling. Wishing I could do them correctly.
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I can pop big spins but I always slide the last 90 degrees and its such a disgusting feeling. Wishing I could do them correctly.
At least you can do them regular. I can only do them fakie and I feel like such a kook doing it.
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Ollies can never be good enough!
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Ollies can never be good enough!
I love my ollies.
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I can pop big spins but I always slide the last 90 degrees and its such a disgusting feeling. Wishing I could do them correctly.
At least you can do them regular. I can only do them fakie and I feel like such a kook doing it.
I can do but I like fakie ones better. Fuck what people think dude they’re really fun and can look steezy as fuck in a line or down the right feature.
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I can pop big spins but I always slide the last 90 degrees and its such a disgusting feeling. Wishing I could do them correctly.
At least you can do them regular. I can only do them fakie and I feel like such a kook doing it.
I can do but I like fakie ones better. Fuck what people think dude they’re really fun and can look steezy as fuck in a line or down the right feature.
I can still pop the shit out of them but rarely do them on anything but flat these days.
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I can pop big spins but I always slide the last 90 degrees and its such a disgusting feeling. Wishing I could do them correctly.
At least you can do them regular. I can only do them fakie and I feel like such a kook doing it.
I can do but I like fakie ones better. Fuck what people think dude they’re really fun and can look steezy as fuck in a line or down the right feature.
I can still pop the shit out of them but rarely do them on anything but flat these days.
I have the popped fakie ones too and actually always liked doing that trick, and then I met this dude who would regularly snap his board, borrow his friends' and then snap those too trying it down a small 4 over and over, all the while looking as gross as he was for not even looking sorry for being such a daft cunt. So I rarely do them on anything, too, because PTSD - I get flashbacks.
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I can pop big spins but I always slide the last 90 degrees and its such a disgusting feeling. Wishing I could do them correctly.
At least you can do them regular. I can only do them fakie and I feel like such a kook doing it.
I can do but I like fakie ones better. Fuck what people think dude they’re really fun and can look steezy as fuck in a line or down the right feature.
I can still pop the shit out of them but rarely do them on anything but flat these days.
I have the popped fakie ones too and actually always liked doing that trick, and then I met this dude who would regularly snap his board, borrow his friends' and then snap those too trying it down a small 4 over and over, all the while looking as gross as he was for not even looking sorry for being such a daft cunt. So I rarely do them on anything, too, because PTSD - I get flashbacks.
I’m right there with you about the ptsd
My ptsd is two fractured bones in my foot from doing one down a 4.
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Tricks off bumps and ramps...I get more air on flat... how does this work?
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Kickflips. It feels like my grip is either too grippy or too slick 99% of the time. God I fucking suck at kickflips. Kickflip variations, no problem. Heelflips, no problem.
I also don't do enough of them. I'll get them pretty dialed but lose them quick.
2 things really helped me get them back after losing them for close to 10 years. I could do variations of them (Varial Flip, FS Flip, FS Half Cab Flip, fuck BS Flip variations).
1) Ankle strengthening exercises
2) Adjusting my wheelbase by tweaking my truck setup
The latter really helped since I was getting so much ghost pop and all my kickflips were going rocket. Had to force myself to wait for the pop before flicking my toe.
What kind of kickflips are you getting?
Also fuck heelflips, I hate them with a passion due to my inability to do them.
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I can pop big spins but I always slide the last 90 degrees and its such a disgusting feeling. Wishing I could do them correctly.
I can't handle when I stick them perfectly. Board always zoots out.
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Kickflips. It feels like my grip is either too grippy or too slick 99% of the time. God I fucking suck at kickflips. Kickflip variations, no problem. Heelflips, no problem.
I also don't do enough of them. I'll get them pretty dialed but lose them quick.
2 things really helped me get them back after losing them for close to 10 years. I could do variations of them (Varial Flip, FS Flip, FS Half Cab Flip, fuck BS Flip variations).
1) Ankle strengthening exercises
2) Adjusting my wheelbase by tweaking my truck setup
The latter really helped since I was getting so much ghost pop and all my kickflips were going rocket. Had to force myself to wait for the pop before flicking my toe.
What kind of kickflips are you getting?
Also fuck heelflips, I hate them with a passion due to my inability to do them.
youre whelebase doesnt fucking ,atter. flick throught the truck bolt and out of the nose pocket
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Fuck you Fakie heelflips.
Oh and Nollie inward heels. Everyone I know can in some way do this trick, whereas I can't seem to get my head around my board spinning and flipping that way at the same time. Got a mean nollie varial flip though 8)
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Fuck you Fakie heelflips.
Oh and Nollie inward heels. Everyone I know can in some way do this trick, whereas I can't seem to get my head around my board spinning and flipping that way at the same time. Got a mean nollie varial flip though 8)
Nobody likes fakie heelflips anyway.
Hence why I whip those bad boys out every chance I get in a game of skate.
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BS Kickflips - I can only do shitty Varial Flips and turning my body to land them, none of the big poppy ones with the sweet revert at the end. FS Flip are way easier for me.
If anyone has the secret sauce for this trick let me know
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BS Kickflips - I can only do shitty Varial Flips and turning my body to land them, none of the big poppy ones with the sweet revert at the end. FS Flip are way easier for me.
If anyone has the secret sauce for this trick let me know
Mine are also kind of shit but I find that you can do less of the varial flip - body turn thing by trying to 'fold' the flip more, try flick more straight off the nose and less off the side pocket. Then its just a matter of getting your shoulders and body around in time.
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BS Kickflips - I can only do shitty Varial Flips and turning my body to land them, none of the big poppy ones with the sweet revert at the end. FS Flip are way easier for me.
If anyone has the secret sauce for this trick let me know
Do you have good back 180s?
Bs flips started working for me after I got very comfortable doing back 180s. The kind where you actually ollie/bring your front foot up when you do them. Now i just focus on doing a back 180 like i am used to and flick out while turning. they seem to work the easier and smoother i do them... try to pop them too much or flick too hard and they get weird. Hope that helps :-\
Anyone got the cheat codes for fs heel? I landed one once and slipped out.. never have come close again. after watching the lucas helas vid im going to try them with the front foot by the bolts like he did over the fire hydrant
My BS 180s have been getting better recently, way better than when I last stopped in 2010. The super boned out ones but I can feel the 50% front foot leading 50% back foot pivoting it.
I'll try flicking my foot straight off the nose this weekend, maybe get a little bit of back foot scoop in there too. Going to try and correct my head position, been dipping it too much for all my BS tricks.
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BS Kickflips - I can only do shitty Varial Flips and turning my body to land them, none of the big poppy ones with the sweet revert at the end. FS Flip are way easier for me.
If anyone has the secret sauce for this trick let me know
Do you have good back 180s?
Bs flips started working for me after I got very comfortable doing back 180s. The kind where you actually ollie/bring your front foot up when you do them. Now i just focus on doing a back 180 like i am used to and flick out while turning. they seem to work the easier and smoother i do them... try to pop them too much or flick too hard and they get weird. Hope that helps :-\
Anyone got the cheat codes for fs heel? I landed one once and slipped out.. never have come close again. after watching the lucas helas vid im going to try them with the front foot by the bolts like he did over the fire hydrant
My BS 180s have been getting better recently, way better than when I last stopped in 2010. The super boned out ones but I can feel the 50% front foot leading 50% back foot pivoting it.
I'll try flicking my foot straight off the nose this weekend, maybe get a little bit of back foot scoop in there too. Going to try and correct my head position, been dipping it too much for all my BS tricks.
You shouldn't really need to scoop with your back foot much, in fact too much scoop might be whats making it a bit rocket and varial-ish. Try get the rotation whilst popping straight down by a) using your shoulders and b) flicking off the nose and 'folding' the flip, this often helps the board rotate more.
If you struggle to get your body all the way around, like your body only makes it 90 degrees when your board does the full 180, I find that you can help that by looking at your back foot the whole time as that tricks your upper body to turn more and your lower body will follow a bit better.
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BS Kickflips - I can only do shitty Varial Flips and turning my body to land them, none of the big poppy ones with the sweet revert at the end. FS Flip are way easier for me.
If anyone has the secret sauce for this trick let me know
Do you have good back 180s?
Bs flips started working for me after I got very comfortable doing back 180s. The kind where you actually ollie/bring your front foot up when you do them. Now i just focus on doing a back 180 like i am used to and flick out while turning. they seem to work the easier and smoother i do them... try to pop them too much or flick too hard and they get weird. Hope that helps :-\
Anyone got the cheat codes for fs heel? I landed one once and slipped out.. never have come close again. after watching the lucas helas vid im going to try them with the front foot by the bolts like he did over the fire hydrant
My BS 180s have been getting better recently, way better than when I last stopped in 2010. The super boned out ones but I can feel the 50% front foot leading 50% back foot pivoting it.
I'll try flicking my foot straight off the nose this weekend, maybe get a little bit of back foot scoop in there too. Going to try and correct my head position, been dipping it too much for all my BS tricks.
You shouldn't really need to scoop with your back foot much, in fact too much scoop might be whats making it a bit rocket and varial-ish. Try get the rotation whilst popping straight down by a) using your shoulders and b) flicking off the nose and 'folding' the flip, this often helps the board rotate more.
If you struggle to get your body all the way around, like your body only makes it 90 degrees when your board does the full 180, I find that you can help that by looking at your back foot the whole time as that tricks your upper body to turn more and your lower body will follow a bit better.
I've heard the folding bs flip thing, do you have a clip of how that looks?
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lean slightly over the nose
your head and shoulders should already be turning before youre tail hits the ground.
solid pop
flick through the nose
aim to catch the flip at 90
use your popping foot to power that fucker round the rest of the way
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BS Kickflips - I can only do shitty Varial Flips and turning my body to land them, none of the big poppy ones with the sweet revert at the end. FS Flip are way easier for me.
If anyone has the secret sauce for this trick let me know
Do you have good back 180s?
Bs flips started working for me after I got very comfortable doing back 180s. The kind where you actually ollie/bring your front foot up when you do them. Now i just focus on doing a back 180 like i am used to and flick out while turning. they seem to work the easier and smoother i do them... try to pop them too much or flick too hard and they get weird. Hope that helps :-\
Anyone got the cheat codes for fs heel? I landed one once and slipped out.. never have come close again. after watching the lucas helas vid im going to try them with the front foot by the bolts like he did over the fire hydrant
My BS 180s have been getting better recently, way better than when I last stopped in 2010. The super boned out ones but I can feel the 50% front foot leading 50% back foot pivoting it.
I'll try flicking my foot straight off the nose this weekend, maybe get a little bit of back foot scoop in there too. Going to try and correct my head position, been dipping it too much for all my BS tricks.
You shouldn't really need to scoop with your back foot much, in fact too much scoop might be whats making it a bit rocket and varial-ish. Try get the rotation whilst popping straight down by a) using your shoulders and b) flicking off the nose and 'folding' the flip, this often helps the board rotate more.
If you struggle to get your body all the way around, like your body only makes it 90 degrees when your board does the full 180, I find that you can help that by looking at your back foot the whole time as that tricks your upper body to turn more and your lower body will follow a bit better.
I've heard the folding bs flip thing, do you have a clip of how that looks?
https://www.instagram.com/p/B3Cvp9SFQY_/
It's almost like a dolphin/forward flip except you turn your body with it I guess. Nowhere near as exaggerated though. If you try do this its probably not going to look anywhere near as tweaked as in this clip, but you should be shooting for that feeling. The comment above me is pretty on point too, though I would say it's not too important to try to catch at 90 and bring it around but if that helps, then by all means do that. If by folding the flick and winding up etc you can get your board and body to do the full rotation then there's no need to catch and complete the rotation.
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BS Kickflips - I can only do shitty Varial Flips and turning my body to land them, none of the big poppy ones with the sweet revert at the end. FS Flip are way easier for me.
If anyone has the secret sauce for this trick let me know
Do you have good back 180s?
Bs flips started working for me after I got very comfortable doing back 180s. The kind where you actually ollie/bring your front foot up when you do them. Now i just focus on doing a back 180 like i am used to and flick out while turning. they seem to work the easier and smoother i do them... try to pop them too much or flick too hard and they get weird. Hope that helps :-\
Anyone got the cheat codes for fs heel? I landed one once and slipped out.. never have come close again. after watching the lucas helas vid im going to try them with the front foot by the bolts like he did over the fire hydrant
My BS 180s have been getting better recently, way better than when I last stopped in 2010. The super boned out ones but I can feel the 50% front foot leading 50% back foot pivoting it.
I'll try flicking my foot straight off the nose this weekend, maybe get a little bit of back foot scoop in there too. Going to try and correct my head position, been dipping it too much for all my BS tricks.
You shouldn't really need to scoop with your back foot much, in fact too much scoop might be whats making it a bit rocket and varial-ish. Try get the rotation whilst popping straight down by a) using your shoulders and b) flicking off the nose and 'folding' the flip, this often helps the board rotate more.
If you struggle to get your body all the way around, like your body only makes it 90 degrees when your board does the full 180, I find that you can help that by looking at your back foot the whole time as that tricks your upper body to turn more and your lower body will follow a bit better.
I've heard the folding bs flip thing, do you have a clip of how that looks?
https://www.instagram.com/p/B3Cvp9SFQY_/
It's almost like a dolphin/forward flip except you turn your body with it I guess. Nowhere near as exaggerated though. If you try do this its probably not going to look anywhere near as tweaked as in this clip, but you should be shooting for that feeling. The comment above me is pretty on point too, though I would say it's not too important to try to catch at 90 and bring it around but if that helps, then by all means do that. If by folding the flick and winding up etc you can get your board and body to do the full rotation then there's no need to catch and complete the rotation.
this is especially true if youre goin for foldy ones.
theres a foldy flatland bs flip at 30s in this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF6MusFHwqc
and while we're here, you might as well watch the whole video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W_NHwKNeq4&t=2068s
easily one of the best skate vids to ever come out of Scotland. Rattray section is rad
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Long 5050s? Short-medium ones go fine and straight but on long ones my dumb shoulders always start turning and then I’m shuffling and tic tacking my board back into place. I wanna learn how to settle into and sit on it comfortably for a long one. I just need shoulder control in general. Always turning ways I don’t need them to.
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Long 5050s? Short-medium ones go fine and straight but on long ones my dumb shoulders always start turning and then I’m shuffling and tic tacking my board back into place. I wanna learn how to settle into and sit on it comfortably for a long one. I just need shoulder control in general. Always turning ways I don’t need them to.
I always thought I would be great as long distance ones but I feel like once I hit a certain speed I just pop off out of instinct
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Fs slappy variations are only a make when your front truck/wheels make contact with the curb on the way up right..? And no tail drag
Transitioning from curbs to anything taller in the hopes of getting to wallrides. I feel it, but still at curb/bank to curb level... Finding a bank to wall will be sick
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Just make a small bank to skate to do wallrides. One day in 1987/1988, I made a small shitty bank that lasted all of a day, but at the end of that day, I could do wallrides.
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Jersey barriers are nice for getting tiny wallrides
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Can anyone help me figure out how to tailslide on a bank lip? I have really good ditches near my place, my bag on them is pretty shabby, and I finally got a tailslide back on ledges. Don't have tailslides on ramp, so no transferable skills there. I'm trying to sort of powerslide with my back wheels into a tailslide on a waxed bank, but I just can't seem to get all the way around frontside quick enough to keep the momentum to slide even when I get my tail in the right spot. Any tips?
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Word on the diy bank
Still need to find a chill spot with a barrier as well
Got some little ones fs and bs on a barrier type thing at a park. Fuck yeah. I feel the 1-2 action
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Can anyone help me figure out how to tailslide on a bank lip? I have really good ditches near my place, my bag on them is pretty shabby, and I finally got a tailslide back on ledges. Don't have tailslides on ramp, so no transferable skills there. I'm trying to sort of powerslide with my back wheels into a tailslide on a waxed bank, but I just can't seem to get all the way around frontside quick enough to keep the momentum to slide even when I get my tail in the right spot. Any tips?
That's a pretty funny request to go with your sig, as far as that trick personally I approach it like I would approach a frontside tailslide on a ledge except I'm carving and it's a very lazy pop into it as opposed to trying to go over something. Because of that way of thinking I would probably suck at frontside tailslides on banks to ledges due to being used to the lazy pop though, but I can live with that. Maybe start with getting smooth frontside ollie to tails where you just bash it on the way back in then start trying the same thing faster and from an increasingly diagonal angle.
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FS Shuvits, regular. I've got them down switch but I just can't keep the board under me in regular stance.
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Coming out regular on BS Tailslides. I feel like I'm cheating coming out Fakie. When I actively force myself to come out regular by looking over my shoulder instead of at my feet, I lock in but dont slide.
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Backside big spins have been giving me so much trouble lately!
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Nollie heels always rocket up my ass
Been learning fs ollie into wallrides I can get it with a bump into the wall but straight off flatground is tough
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FS shuvs I got em switch both ways however I cannot skate regular boards without focusing the the tail or nose I know land bolts but sometimes it doesn’t make its way back?!
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Long 5050s? Short-medium ones go fine and straight but on long ones my dumb shoulders always start turning and then I’m shuffling and tic tacking my board back into place. I wanna learn how to settle into and sit on it comfortably for a long one. I just need shoulder control in general. Always turning ways I don’t need them to.
I like to think that I have long 50s and in my head I think to make sure I ollie forward - like trying to clear a small gap. This helps me get on top of the grind and as long as its waxed and or your going fast you should be able to go.
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Long 5050s? Short-medium ones go fine and straight but on long ones my dumb shoulders always start turning and then I’m shuffling and tic tacking my board back into place. I wanna learn how to settle into and sit on it comfortably for a long one. I just need shoulder control in general. Always turning ways I don’t need them to.
For me it’s all about staying over top of the ledge centered over your board. For BS keep your weight on your heels and for FS weight on your toes. I find it easier to sit on BS longer personally especially true of 5-0s for me. But a super long Fs 50-50 is satisfying. Also turning my shoulder a bit open (arm out) for BS and closing them a bit (arm in) for Fs. Hope that helps love sitting on grinds for as long as possible.
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Coming out regular on BS Tailslides. I feel like I'm cheating coming out Fakie. When I actively force myself to come out regular by looking over my shoulder instead of at my feet, I lock in but dont slide.
I go into a state of mindlessness when I'm skating so this is more of a mental tip. Get your slides going and don't worry about landing. Once you have a consistent slide on the back tails, take that for granted and just focus on turning your shoulders back regular out of it. It helps if youre not on an obstacle that forces you out of the slide immediately. Think of it as one motion as well.
On the physical side of the trick tip, I can just say, either go faster, lean on your toes more, more wax, or a combo of all three.
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I can give more bsts tips when I got more time
In a nutshell: pop and shifty, don't scoop, and definitely don't turn your shoulders
Look at this pic and think shifty
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_4OE2LlxxWrc/Siw7MionP4I/AAAAAAAAEh8/65zcZ917zg0/s1600-h/carneybstailchrome.jpg
4:16
Also the backlip right before bsts
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ECeSIga1Ukk
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Back boardslide to regular. I can boardslide to fakie on anything you put in front of me but if I try to turn out reg my brain shuts off.
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Long 5050s? Short-medium ones go fine and straight but on long ones my dumb shoulders always start turning and then I’m shuffling and tic tacking my board back into place. I wanna learn how to settle into and sit on it comfortably for a long one. I just need shoulder control in general. Always turning ways I don’t need them to.
For me it’s all about staying over top of the ledge centered over your board. For BS keep your weight on your heels and for FS weight on your toes. I find it easier to sit on BS longer personally especially true of 5-0s for me. But a super long Fs 50-50 is satisfying. Also turning my shoulder a bit open (arm out) for BS and closing them a bit (arm in) for Fs. Hope that helps love sitting on grinds for as long as possible.
Will try it out. Thanks bros.
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Coming out regular on BS Tailslides. I feel like I'm cheating coming out Fakie. When I actively force myself to come out regular by looking over my shoulder instead of at my feet, I lock in but dont slide.
On the physical side of the trick tip, I can just say, either go faster, lean on your toes more, more wax, or a combo of all three.
I keep reading the "lean on your toes more", can you elaborate more on that?
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Coming out regular on BS Tailslides. I feel like I'm cheating coming out Fakie. When I actively force myself to come out regular by looking over my shoulder instead of at my feet, I lock in but dont slide.
On the physical side of the trick tip, I can just say, either go faster, lean on your toes more, more wax, or a combo of all three.
I keep reading the "lean on your toes more", can you elaborate more on that?
Meaning more lean on the back toes more. If you’re pressing more on the toe side of the back tail, it’s less likely stick since there’s less friction on the whole tail.
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Coming out regular on BS Tailslides. I feel like I'm cheating coming out Fakie. When I actively force myself to come out regular by looking over my shoulder instead of at my feet, I lock in but dont slide.
On the physical side of the trick tip, I can just say, either go faster, lean on your toes more, more wax, or a combo of all three.
I keep reading the "lean on your toes more", can you elaborate more on that?
So more pressure on the toe side versus trying to evenly press the tail on the ledge?
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Coming out regular on BS Tailslides. I feel like I'm cheating coming out Fakie. When I actively force myself to come out regular by looking over my shoulder instead of at my feet, I lock in but dont slide.
On the physical side of the trick tip, I can just say, either go faster, lean on your toes more, more wax, or a combo of all three.
I keep reading the "lean on your toes more", can you elaborate more on that?
So more pressure on the toe side versus trying to evenly press the tail on the ledge?
if you’re sticking yes. Obviously don’t overdo it or you’ll get a wild slide. But it can help push you through if sticking is a main issue.
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Coming out regular on BS Tailslides. I feel like I'm cheating coming out Fakie. When I actively force myself to come out regular by looking over my shoulder instead of at my feet, I lock in but dont slide.
On the physical side of the trick tip, I can just say, either go faster, lean on your toes more, more wax, or a combo of all three.
I keep reading the "lean on your toes more", can you elaborate more on that?
So more pressure on the toe side versus trying to evenly press the tail on the ledge?
Sweet as man I'll try that this weekend!
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Back boardslide to regular. I can boardslide to fakie on anything you put in front of me but if I try to turn out reg my brain shuts off.
Shoulders. Turn em.
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^Nothing wrong with that.
At least I hope not, since that’s pretty much what mine look like, except I’m not in a cool warehouse.
And I’m dressed less stylishly.
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Backside big spins have been giving me so much trouble lately!
lean way over your toes & think about Ellington
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Just the ollie...i started up skating early last year after a 10 year break...been skating since the late 80’s. But id never filmed or anything...now that i can film with a phone, im noticing some horrible shit in my skating...like the ollie.
When ever I ollie my back foot is way off the board up until i level out the board and the tail hits my back foot.
I got a picture the other night...i can still manage knee high ollies which is good enough for me but they look like shit.
Any advice??
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/b0fa3b9af6828b6f8bc8f50674a75192/629ee4be8feac00f-8e/s1280x1920/9354555482495267ebc2632cb1bb4392fda8f1bb.jpg)
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FS Shuvits, regular. I've got them down switch but I just can't keep the board under me in regular stance.
I just got over this same thing last week. Switch, they always came super naturally and I never had to think about them but regular were just a mess.
For regular, it's almost like pushing straight down (with very slightly forward scoop) and jumping back. A couple people have given the whole imaginary square example, and it really applies here.
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Been trying to learn fakie shuvs but cant land with both feet on. Any tips?
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Been trying to learn fakie shuvs but cant land with both feet on. Any tips?
Jump a little higher. That way you can't put your other foot down immediately and can start committing to it eventually. Also keep at it. It takes a while to feel ok like with all tricks.
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Just the ollie...i started up skating early last year after a 10 year break...been skating since the late 80’s. But id never filmed or anything...now that i can film with a phone, im noticing some horrible shit in my skating...like the ollie.
When ever I ollie my back foot is way off the board up until i level out the board and the tail hits my back foot.
I got a picture the other night...i can still manage knee high ollies which is good enough for me but they look like shit.
Any advice??
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/b0fa3b9af6828b6f8bc8f50674a75192/629ee4be8feac00f-8e/s1280x1920/9354555482495267ebc2632cb1bb4392fda8f1bb.jpg)
Just slow the motion of the Ollie down more and exaggerate the front foot slide more too
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Just the ollie...i started up skating early last year after a 10 year break...been skating since the late 80’s. But id never filmed or anything...now that i can film with a phone, im noticing some horrible shit in my skating...like the ollie.
When ever I ollie my back foot is way off the board up until i level out the board and the tail hits my back foot.
I got a picture the other night...i can still manage knee high ollies which is good enough for me but they look like shit.
Any advice??
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/b0fa3b9af6828b6f8bc8f50674a75192/629ee4be8feac00f-8e/s1280x1920/9354555482495267ebc2632cb1bb4392fda8f1bb.jpg)
That obstacle looks really fun. Where is that park?
I would say if it ain’t broke don’t fix it with the Ollie, but that’s mostly because I can’t articulate a useful tip. Looks like maybe your kicking back a little and not so much straight down but I could be wrong
If it makes you feel better I’ve been pretty unenthusiastic about how my ollies have felt the last year or so
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Thanks for the feedback...gonna try both those suggestions
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Ok...so i did what you guys said, slowed down the motion, kick down instead of out...the other thing i did was move my back foot further towards the back trucks, near the bottom of the tail...BOOM! Dont have photographic evidence, but I definitely felt the board closer to my feet and flatter than before, and i think i may have gained an inch of height too.
Thanks again!
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That’s sick, glad you felt there was improvement
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Hmm mm slowing down the motion might work on some of my lost flip tricks too
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Frontside shuv-its and and 360 flips. I want to have both of these on lock and they are driving me crazy. I'm usually pretty sweaty before I get a few of either. My 360 flips usually look really strained and sketchy. I honestly just think I'm not in shape enough to do these two well. I'm trying to work on it. Maybe I'll get a little better at them when I size down from 8.5/149 to 8.25/144.
My best chances for landing either first try is defensively in a game of skate.
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I have been trying smith grinds on ledges for awhile now and they just won't work ;(
Every 30th try I manage to somehow fall into and out of the grind, but I cannot hold and control the trick at all.
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I have been trying smith grinds on ledges for awhile now and they just won't work ;(
Every 30th try I manage to somehow fall into and out of the grind, but I cannot hold and control the trick at all.
Are you trying to lock in with your front truck already dipped? It kind of works to do it like that on a flatbar, but it doesn't work the same on a ledge and that's what really held me up for so long. Getting into the trick is a two-part process where both parts need to be fluid and coordinated. The first part is thinking of it like a 5-0 that you manual, except try to get in so your front truck is basically level with the ledge and off to the side at first. If everything goes well and you're moving across the ledge in that position, the second part is extending your front knee to dip the nose without shifting any weight. Then you're locked in. If you try getting in already dipped, you will stick, fall out, go lip, etc., all the time.
Holding it really is a little like a dragged tail 5-0, in that your weight needs to have the proper balance and tension between front and back feet with almost all of it on the back foot so you can just kind of stand in the grind, but instead of dragging your tail, your board rests on the side of the ledge just under the rail to help with your balance. I've found this trick is so much harder on ledges than a flatbar and I'm still working on it, but that's what I've figured out works so far. Hope it helps.
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Ok...so i did what you guys said, slowed down the motion, kick down instead of out...the other thing i did was move my back foot further towards the back trucks, near the bottom of the tail...BOOM! Dont have photographic evidence, but I definitely felt the board closer to my feet and flatter than before, and i think i may have gained an inch of height too.
Thanks again!
also helps just imagining your board is glued to your back foot
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I have been trying smith grinds on ledges for awhile now and they just won't work ;(
Every 30th try I manage to somehow fall into and out of the grind, but I cannot hold and control the trick at all.
Are you trying to lock in with your front truck already dipped? It kind of works to do it like that on a flatbar, but it doesn't work the same on a ledge and that's what really held me up for so long. Getting into the trick is a two-part process where both parts need to be fluid and coordinated. The first part is thinking of it like a 5-0 that you manual, except try to get in so your front truck is basically level with the ledge and off to the side at first. If everything goes well and you're moving across the ledge in that position, the second part is extending your front knee to dip the nose without shifting any weight. Then you're locked in. If you try getting in already dipped, you will stick, fall out, go lip, etc., all the time.
Holding it really is a little like a dragged tail 5-0, in that your weight needs to have the proper balance and tension between front and back feet with almost all of it on the back foot so you can just kind of stand in the grind, but instead of dragging your tail, your board rests on the side of the ledge just under the rail to help with your balance. I've found this trick is so much harder on ledges than a flatbar and I'm still working on it, but that's what I've figured out works so far. Hope it helps.
Gnar'd for the great explanation, like the phase 1 & 2 break down.
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Always thought fs pop shuvs just weren't for me when I was younger so I just stopped bothering trying them at some point. Doesn't get much more basic then that. It's kind of annoying seeing people who have skated for like 1% of the time I have land them, so I've been trying and actually got a couple in the last week. Keep almost biting my tongue off for some reason when I try to land them though.
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Just the ollie...i started up skating early last year after a 10 year break...been skating since the late 80’s. But id never filmed or anything...now that i can film with a phone, im noticing some horrible shit in my skating...like the ollie.
When ever I ollie my back foot is way off the board up until i level out the board and the tail hits my back foot.
I got a picture the other night...i can still manage knee high ollies which is good enough for me but they look like shit.
Any advice??
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/b0fa3b9af6828b6f8bc8f50674a75192/629ee4be8feac00f-8e/s1280x1920/9354555482495267ebc2632cb1bb4392fda8f1bb.jpg)
Have the same problem myself and it took me years to figure out.
It could be your wheels, if u do a lot of powerslides or lipslides on ledges your back wheels are gonna get smaller n smaller and eventually will mess up how u pop tricks.
You’re probably leaning too heavy on your front foot right before popping. Makes some tricks easier and some harder. This happens a lot whenever I’m on a good one n too much of a pile or I haven’t skated in a while.
Something that works for me is to do that toe wiggle thing on your tail then pop your trick right after.
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looking for advice on getting switch back 5050s...sw front 5050 is one of go to tricks but I have mental block with getting into backside...I just can't get the back foot to lock in.
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looking for advice on getting switch back 5050s...sw front 5050 is one of go to tricks but I have mental block with getting into backside...I just can't get the back foot to lock in.
Roll up at a decent angle, put your front foot slightly further down than you normally would. When you're rolling up and popping you can look at the ledge/the direction you're going and have your shoulders slightly open.
As soon as you pop, turn your shoulders backside so that they are parallel with the ledge, to help with this you can try to look at your back foot immediately after you pop. I find that helps me trick my body into closing off my shoulders better and it also helps line up the board with the ledge. This will be scary af at first because you'll feel really blind to everything but once you get used to it it starts to feel kinda natural.
Also make sure you pop a straight, if not slightly backside, ollie and don't subconsciously turn it frontside at all to get into willy/boardslide/feeble.
Practicing switch ollies parallel (or at a slight angle) backside up a curb can also help you get the feeling. Its tricky but if your only problem is getting your back foot/truck to lock in you're pretty close and definitely got it once you get your shoulders working correctly and aim your trucks a little bit more.
I think a lot of switch tricks (50s, 5-0s, smiths) are easier to learn/get into frontside but once you figure out how to get into them backside its less awkward to hold onto and feels more natural to sit on. Not tailslides for me though, desperately need ssbsts help, can't commit and swing my body/board around whilst still keeping my weight on the tail, the only way I seem to be able to turn the full 90 comfortably is by rotating around the centre of my board as opposed to keeping my weight over the tail which works for lips but is super dangerous for tails.
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BS Smiths and Lipslides! Can't get over the mental barrier to pop a BS 5-0 and point my toes down for the Smith. Can't bring myself to ollie up and over the top of the ledge to lock in the lipslide.
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Fs bluntslides, been trying on and off for a long time never actually landed one. I get in, slide a little bit but I feel like once I am properly with the backfoot on the edge of the ledge, I always jump off the board. Might have something to do with counterbalancing them with my front foot but I m not sure.
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BS Smiths and Lipslides! Can't get over the mental barrier to pop a BS 5-0 and point my toes down for the Smith. Can't bring myself to ollie up and over the top of the ledge to lock in the lipslide.
The way I learned back smiths was to get comfortable with getting into a smith going slow ish without grinding. Think about it more like a missed 5050 instead like a 5-0 where you tend to rocket your ollie a bit.
Once you're comfortable with getting into the back smith position and sticking, try going a bit faster, leaning not only back but also away from the ledge (toeside) when you get in. Also make sure you get into the ledge very gently (ollie into the grind, not onto it) and try have your board and lower body slightly ahead of your upper body and you should slowly be able to start grinding it a bit. Obviously put most of the weight on your back foot, your front foot is only meant to point the front of the board in a dipped position and for the most part should be pretty limp with no real weight over it.
I found getting into the position quite difficult, let alone getting it to grind which is why I think it might be beneficial to break it down into two phases: ollieing into the position and then learning to be delicate/having the correct weight distribution/grinding, so that there isn't too much to think about at once. Also, like with most backside tricks, I find that trying to look at my back foot after popping generally helps me get my shoulders aligned properly.
For back lips, once you're comfortable with getting into back smiths, you can just slightly over rotate the smith and you'll get into a lipslide, that should help you with the fear of getting over the ledge that way. I still need to work on holding these and coming out, board flips on me when I come out a lot because my back foot isn't on the tail enough and is often too much on the bolts.
Fs bluntslides, been trying on and off for a long time never actually landed one. I get in, slide a little bit but I feel like once I am properly with the backfoot on the edge of the ledge, I always jump off the board. Might have something to do with counterbalancing them with my front foot but I m not sure.
When I feel like I'm not sitting on top of it enough (which happens to be when its most blunted sometimes) and I fall back heelside once I stick the landing but don't roll away, putting my front foot more straight as opposed to at a slight angle like a kickflip which I sometimes tend to do seems to help me stay over it a bit.
When you're sliding you don't necessarily need to put weight on your front foot or do any counterbalancing as you're obviously pressing very hard on your back foot (if you can slide them then you know the feeling), but when you're turning out you may need to consciously shift your body weight to be more even over the board towards your front foot as opposed to having it solely over the back foot if that makes sense.
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BS Smiths and Lipslides! Can't get over the mental barrier to pop a BS 5-0 and point my toes down for the Smith. Can't bring myself to ollie up and over the top of the ledge to lock in the lipslide.
The way I learned back smiths was to get comfortable with getting into a smith going slow ish without grinding. Think about it more like a missed 5050 instead like a 5-0 where you tend to rocket your ollie a bit.
Once you're comfortable with getting into the back smith position and sticking, try going a bit faster, leaning not only back but also away from the ledge (toeside) when you get in. Also make sure you get into the ledge very gently (ollie into the grind, not onto it) and try have your board and lower body slightly ahead of your upper body and you should slowly be able to start grinding it a bit. Obviously put most of the weight on your back foot, your front foot is only meant to point the front of the board in a dipped position and for the most part should be pretty limp with no real weight over it.
I found getting into the position quite difficult, let alone getting it to grind which is why I think it might be beneficial to break it down into two phases: ollieing into the position and then learning to be delicate/having the correct weight distribution/grinding, so that there isn't too much to think about at once. Also, like with most backside tricks, I find that trying to look at my back foot after popping generally helps me get my shoulders aligned properly.
For back lips, once you're comfortable with getting into back smiths, you can just slightly over rotate the smith and you'll get into a lipslide, that should help you with the fear of getting over the ledge that way. I still need to work on holding these and coming out, board flips on me when I come out a lot because my back foot isn't on the tail enough and is often too much on the bolts.
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Fs bluntslides, been trying on and off for a long time never actually landed one. I get in, slide a little bit but I feel like once I am properly with the backfoot on the edge of the ledge, I always jump off the board. Might have something to do with counterbalancing them with my front foot but I m not sure.
When I feel like I'm not sitting on top of it enough (which happens to be when its most blunted sometimes) and I fall back heelside once I stick the landing but don't roll away, putting my front foot more straight as opposed to at a slight angle like a kickflip which I sometimes tend to do seems to help me stay over it a bit.
When you're sliding you don't necessarily need to put weight on your front foot or do any counterbalancing as you're obviously pressing very hard on your back foot (if you can slide them then you know the feeling), but when you're turning out you may need to consciously shift your body weight to be more even over the board towards your front foot as opposed to having it solely over the back foot if that makes sense.
That was really helpful, shalom for that. I'll work on rolling towards the ledge and ollie-ing into the ledge, rather than onto it, I thought this distinction was really helpful.
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BS Smiths and Lipslides! Can't get over the mental barrier to pop a BS 5-0 and point my toes down for the Smith. Can't bring myself to ollie up and over the top of the ledge to lock in the lipslide.
The way I learned back smiths was to get comfortable with getting into a smith going slow ish without grinding. Think about it more like a missed 5050 instead like a 5-0 where you tend to rocket your ollie a bit.
Once you're comfortable with getting into the back smith position and sticking, try going a bit faster, leaning not only back but also away from the ledge (toeside) when you get in. Also make sure you get into the ledge very gently (ollie into the grind, not onto it) and try have your board and lower body slightly ahead of your upper body and you should slowly be able to start grinding it a bit. Obviously put most of the weight on your back foot, your front foot is only meant to point the front of the board in a dipped position and for the most part should be pretty limp with no real weight over it.
I found getting into the position quite difficult, let alone getting it to grind which is why I think it might be beneficial to break it down into two phases: ollieing into the position and then learning to be delicate/having the correct weight distribution/grinding, so that there isn't too much to think about at once. Also, like with most backside tricks, I find that trying to look at my back foot after popping generally helps me get my shoulders aligned properly.
For back lips, once you're comfortable with getting into back smiths, you can just slightly over rotate the smith and you'll get into a lipslide, that should help you with the fear of getting over the ledge that way. I still need to work on holding these and coming out, board flips on me when I come out a lot because my back foot isn't on the tail enough and is often too much on the bolts.
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Fs bluntslides, been trying on and off for a long time never actually landed one. I get in, slide a little bit but I feel like once I am properly with the backfoot on the edge of the ledge, I always jump off the board. Might have something to do with counterbalancing them with my front foot but I m not sure.
When I feel like I'm not sitting on top of it enough (which happens to be when its most blunted sometimes) and I fall back heelside once I stick the landing but don't roll away, putting my front foot more straight as opposed to at a slight angle like a kickflip which I sometimes tend to do seems to help me stay over it a bit.
When you're sliding you don't necessarily need to put weight on your front foot or do any counterbalancing as you're obviously pressing very hard on your back foot (if you can slide them then you know the feeling), but when you're turning out you may need to consciously shift your body weight to be more even over the board towards your front foot as opposed to having it solely over the back foot if that makes sense.
That was really helpful, shalom for that. I'll work on rolling towards the ledge and ollie-ing into the ledge, rather than onto it, I thought this distinction was really helpful.
Good luck, I only figured them out mid last year so all this is still fresh in my head. Will be hyped if it ends up helping.
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Thanks thzhangdox this might help my bluntslides a lot too. Just too Cola here to they the following days... the Toes of my Front foot point straight forward so I ll try to get rid of that.
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Thanks thzhangdox this might help my bluntslides a lot too. Just too Cola here to they the following days... the Toes of my Front foot point straight forward so I ll try to get rid of that.
Ya np. Having my front foot pointed like a kicky also sometimes made the board do a half flip on the way out so for me keeping it straight also helped alleviate that on top of helping me be more on top of it, made getting in feel a bit weirder though. If you're able to slide it a little bit, just try do the very end of the ledge and practice coming out of it after a very short slide/lock in.
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BS Smiths and Lipslides! Can't get over the mental barrier to pop a BS 5-0 and point my toes down for the Smith. Can't bring myself to ollie up and over the top of the ledge to lock in the lipslide.
The way I learned back smiths was to get comfortable with getting into a smith going slow ish without grinding. Think about it more like a missed 5050 instead like a 5-0 where you tend to rocket your ollie a bit.
Once you're comfortable with getting into the back smith position and sticking, try going a bit faster, leaning not only back but also away from the ledge (toeside) when you get in. Also make sure you get into the ledge very gently (ollie into the grind, not onto it) and try have your board and lower body slightly ahead of your upper body and you should slowly be able to start grinding it a bit. Obviously put most of the weight on your back foot, your front foot is only meant to point the front of the board in a dipped position and for the most part should be pretty limp with no real weight over it.
I found getting into the position quite difficult, let alone getting it to grind which is why I think it might be beneficial to break it down into two phases: ollieing into the position and then learning to be delicate/having the correct weight distribution/grinding, so that there isn't too much to think about at once. Also, like with most backside tricks, I find that trying to look at my back foot after popping generally helps me get my shoulders aligned properly.
For back lips, once you're comfortable with getting into back smiths, you can just slightly over rotate the smith and you'll get into a lipslide, that should help you with the fear of getting over the ledge that way. I still need to work on holding these and coming out, board flips on me when I come out a lot because my back foot isn't on the tail enough and is often too much on the bolts.
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Fs bluntslides, been trying on and off for a long time never actually landed one. I get in, slide a little bit but I feel like once I am properly with the backfoot on the edge of the ledge, I always jump off the board. Might have something to do with counterbalancing them with my front foot but I m not sure.
When I feel like I'm not sitting on top of it enough (which happens to be when its most blunted sometimes) and I fall back heelside once I stick the landing but don't roll away, putting my front foot more straight as opposed to at a slight angle like a kickflip which I sometimes tend to do seems to help me stay over it a bit.
When you're sliding you don't necessarily need to put weight on your front foot or do any counterbalancing as you're obviously pressing very hard on your back foot (if you can slide them then you know the feeling), but when you're turning out you may need to consciously shift your body weight to be more even over the board towards your front foot as opposed to having it solely over the back foot if that makes sense.
That was really helpful, shalom for that. I'll work on rolling towards the ledge and ollie-ing into the ledge, rather than onto it, I thought this distinction was really helpful.
Good luck, I only figured them out mid last year so all this is still fresh in my head. Will be hyped if it ends up helping.
Got the balls to try them today and it was quite the mind fuck trying to lock in. I have to remind myself to pop and drag diagonally downwards while sliding my back truck in position. I probably only got the pinch on 2 of them after doing around 20 of them but didn't have enough speed to grind anything. It also did help me get over the mental barrier of BS Lipslides since the motion is similar.
Ollie-ing into the ledge vs onto the ledge - that thinking really helped my friend and I today. He's never done FS Smiths before and he was landing them after reminding himself to control his pop more.
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I have been trying smith grinds on ledges for awhile now and they just won't work ;(
Every 30th try I manage to somehow fall into and out of the grind, but I cannot hold and control the trick at all.
Are you trying to lock in with your front truck already dipped? It kind of works to do it like that on a flatbar, but it doesn't work the same on a ledge and that's what really held me up for so long. Getting into the trick is a two-part process where both parts need to be fluid and coordinated. The first part is thinking of it like a 5-0 that you manual, except try to get in so your front truck is basically level with the ledge and off to the side at first. If everything goes well and you're moving across the ledge in that position, the second part is extending your front knee to dip the nose without shifting any weight. Then you're locked in. If you try getting in already dipped, you will stick, fall out, go lip, etc., all the time.
Holding it really is a little like a dragged tail 5-0, in that your weight needs to have the proper balance and tension between front and back feet with almost all of it on the back foot so you can just kind of stand in the grind, but instead of dragging your tail, your board rests on the side of the ledge just under the rail to help with your balance. I've found this trick is so much harder on ledges than a flatbar and I'm still working on it, but that's what I've figured out works so far. Hope it helps.
Gnar'd for the great explanation, like the phase 1 & 2 break down.
yes, thanks! My 5-0s are very inconsistent, but I will think about your advice next time I am working on smith grinds!
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BS Smiths and Lipslides! Can't get over the mental barrier to pop a BS 5-0 and point my toes down for the Smith. Can't bring myself to ollie up and over the top of the ledge to lock in the lipslide.
The way I learned back smiths was to get comfortable with getting into a smith going slow ish without grinding. Think about it more like a missed 5050 instead like a 5-0 where you tend to rocket your ollie a bit.
Once you're comfortable with getting into the back smith position and sticking, try going a bit faster, leaning not only back but also away from the ledge (toeside) when you get in. Also make sure you get into the ledge very gently (ollie into the grind, not onto it) and try have your board and lower body slightly ahead of your upper body and you should slowly be able to start grinding it a bit. Obviously put most of the weight on your back foot, your front foot is only meant to point the front of the board in a dipped position and for the most part should be pretty limp with no real weight over it.
I found getting into the position quite difficult, let alone getting it to grind which is why I think it might be beneficial to break it down into two phases: ollieing into the position and then learning to be delicate/having the correct weight distribution/grinding, so that there isn't too much to think about at once. Also, like with most backside tricks, I find that trying to look at my back foot after popping generally helps me get my shoulders aligned properly.
For back lips, once you're comfortable with getting into back smiths, you can just slightly over rotate the smith and you'll get into a lipslide, that should help you with the fear of getting over the ledge that way. I still need to work on holding these and coming out, board flips on me when I come out a lot because my back foot isn't on the tail enough and is often too much on the bolts.
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Fs bluntslides, been trying on and off for a long time never actually landed one. I get in, slide a little bit but I feel like once I am properly with the backfoot on the edge of the ledge, I always jump off the board. Might have something to do with counterbalancing them with my front foot but I m not sure.
When I feel like I'm not sitting on top of it enough (which happens to be when its most blunted sometimes) and I fall back heelside once I stick the landing but don't roll away, putting my front foot more straight as opposed to at a slight angle like a kickflip which I sometimes tend to do seems to help me stay over it a bit.
When you're sliding you don't necessarily need to put weight on your front foot or do any counterbalancing as you're obviously pressing very hard on your back foot (if you can slide them then you know the feeling), but when you're turning out you may need to consciously shift your body weight to be more even over the board towards your front foot as opposed to having it solely over the back foot if that makes sense.
That was really helpful, shalom for that. I'll work on rolling towards the ledge and ollie-ing into the ledge, rather than onto it, I thought this distinction was really helpful.
Good luck, I only figured them out mid last year so all this is still fresh in my head. Will be hyped if it ends up helping.
Got the balls to try them today and it was quite the mind fuck trying to lock in. I have to remind myself to pop and drag diagonally downwards while sliding my back truck in position. I probably only got the pinch on 2 of them after doing around 20 of them but didn't have enough speed to grind anything. It also did help me get over the mental barrier of BS Lipslides since the motion is similar.
Ollie-ing into the ledge vs onto the ledge - that thinking really helped my friend and I today. He's never done FS Smiths before and he was landing them after reminding himself to control his pop more.
Yeah locking into back smiths is kind of a mind fuck if you haven't done it before. You just have to get used to the feeling, which is why I think it would be good to not worry about grinding or anything at all first, just ollie and smack down straight onto the ledge into smith position and jump off. Once you can do that most tries without too much effort, then work on ollieing into the ledge, getting the correct weight distribution and grinding it.
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Yeah locking into back smiths is kind of a mind fuck if you haven't done it before. You just have to get used to the feeling, which is why I think it would be good to not worry about grinding or anything at all first, just ollie and smack down straight onto the ledge into smith position and jump off. Once you can do that most tries without too much effort, then work on ollieing into the ledge, getting the correct weight distribution and grinding it.
My friends and I had the rare privilege of being the only 3 people skating the park, so we got to fuck around with different tricks without holding up the line.
Next one to work on will be BS Nosegrinds.
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My kickflips won’t stay under my feet. The tail floats too much heelside. Like 45°. Am I pushing off my tail like a shuv it or something? I’m really not scooping, actually angling my rear foot toward the tail a bit.
Or could it be my front kick foot hitting the nose too soon or something, not the pocket?
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My kickflips won’t stay under my feet. The tail floats too much heelside. Like 45°. Am I pushing off my tail like a shuv it or something? I’m really not scooping, actually angling my rear foot toward the tail a bit.
Or could it be my front kick foot hitting the nose too soon or something, not the pocket?
Try squaring your shoulders with the board, and focus on popping straight down.
I used to have that problem as well.
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My kickflips won’t stay under my feet. The tail floats too much heelside. Like 45°. Am I pushing off my tail like a shuv it or something? I’m really not scooping, actually angling my rear foot toward the tail a bit.
Or could it be my front kick foot hitting the nose too soon or something, not the pocket?
Try squaring your shoulders with the board, and focus on popping straight down.
I used to have that problem as well.
I’ll try. Squaring up is probably it. Gets weird bow legged almost with angled front foot and back foot in pocket.
I see also seem to use the whole side of my forefoot instead of a sharp toe angle. Can tell on my shoes. Never understood that very front toe wear
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Sounds like a combination of both the aforementioned shoulders issue and probably bad timing, remember you have to first ollie, level it out and then extend the flick (ideally). If you do it like this the board should remain under your feet no matter what and then you can learn how to control your shoulders for frontside and backside flips.
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Sounds like a combination of both the aforementioned shoulders issue and probably bad timing, remember you have to first ollie, level it out and then extend the flick (ideally). If you do it like this the board should remain under your feet no matter what and then you can learn how to control your shoulders for frontside and backside flips.
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My kickflips won’t stay under my feet. The tail floats too much heelside. Like 45°. Am I pushing off my tail like a shuv it or something? I’m really not scooping, actually angling my rear foot toward the tail a bit.
Or could it be my front kick foot hitting the nose too soon or something, not the pocket?
Try squaring your shoulders with the board, and focus on popping straight down.
I used to have that problem as well.
I see also seem to use the whole side of my forefoot instead of a sharp toe angle. Can tell on my shoes. Never understood that very front toe wear
my good kickflips use the side of the my foot (the joint where the pinky toe connects to the foot) and my foot is sliding straight off the nose.
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Sounds like a combination of both the aforementioned shoulders issue and probably bad timing, remember you have to first ollie, level it out and then extend the flick (ideally). If you do it like this the board should remain under your feet no matter what and then you can learn how to control your shoulders for frontside and backside flips.
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Well if you ollie and then flick (observing a local who was doing their kickflips like that in a very obvious way is actually what helped me learn kickflips 20 years ago), your kickflip becomes de facto as versatile as your ollie, then it's basically a matter of confidence and tweaking your technique if you're trying to do it on anything else than flatground. Once one gets there then it's pretty much muscle memory to keep their board underneath them on anything kickflip, as the flip and catch become automatic. Popped backside kickflip (not talking the shove-it kickflip with a body turn style) is essentially the same thing with the timing of a leveled out backside ollie. Frontside flips are different if you do them hardflip style, but if you do them with a kickflip then late turn (with the occasional revert on the ground) then it's also essentially the same thing as a basic kickflip (maybe more noticeable on switch frontside flips given the way most people do them) just opening your shoulders so that they lead the way frontside.
Actually my own problem with regular stance frontside flips is exactly that I tend to do them hardflip style (on flatground) and can't really seem to open my shoulders in a way that feels just right, so I rarely commit to them. But switch frontside flips I do as switch flip then late turn and it really feels like a barely modified switch flip to me.
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Sounds like a combination of both the aforementioned shoulders issue and probably bad timing, remember you have to first ollie, level it out and then extend the flick (ideally). If you do it like this the board should remain under your feet no matter what and then you can learn how to control your shoulders for frontside and backside flips.
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Well if you ollie and then flick (observing a local who was doing their kickflips like that in a very obvious way is actually what helped me learn kickflips 20 years ago), your kickflip becomes de facto as versatile as your ollie, then it's basically a matter of confidence and tweaking your technique if you're trying to do it on anything else than flatground. Once one gets there then it's pretty much muscle memory to keep their board underneath them on anything kickflip, as the flip and catch become automatic. Popped backside kickflip (not talking the shove-it kickflip with a body turn style) is essentially the same thing with the timing of a leveled out backside ollie. Frontside flips are different if you do them hardflip style, but if you do them with a kickflip then late turn (with the occasional revert on the ground) then it's also essentially the same thing as a basic kickflip (maybe more noticeable on switch frontside flips given the way most people do them) just opening your shoulders so that they lead the way frontside.
Actually my own problem with regular stance frontside flips is exactly that I tend to do them hardflip style (on flatground) and can't really seem to open my shoulders in a way that feels just right, so I rarely commit to them. But switch frontside flips I do as switch flip then late turn and it really feels like a barely modified switch flip to me.
thanks man - i have the same issue with committing to it. Backside flips have always felt natural but frontside feels like im going to roll my ankle.
switch front 180s and even 360s seemed easier than normal. I had been developing my normal frontside 180 thinking its just a matter of combining that motion with a kickflip, but yea, commitment.
I think AO has textbook FS flips evidenced by this clip @ :45 https://youtu.be/o8g4OTq72AI?t=45 (https://youtu.be/o8g4OTq72AI?t=45)
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Back nosegrind 180's have been difficult for me. They don't piss me off really but they're taking longer than they should have to get consistently. I've done a small handful of them and it helps me to grind longer as opposed to dinking the ledge and nollie back 180ing out. When I go to pop out I'll snowplow and stick or fall off the end.
Also, back 3's. I can only do them one-footed like you'd see Kader doing them, but whenever I start to land them consistently I get injured and my body forgets. It's like the universe telling me to stop.
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My kickflips won’t stay under my feet. The tail floats too much heelside. Like 45°. Am I pushing off my tail like a shuv it or something? I’m really not scooping, actually angling my rear foot toward the tail a bit.
Or could it be my front kick foot hitting the nose too soon or something, not the pocket?
Try squaring your shoulders with the board, and focus on popping straight down.
I used to have that problem as well.
I see also seem to use the whole side of my forefoot instead of a sharp toe angle. Can tell on my shoes. Never understood that very front toe wear
my good kickflips use the side of the my foot (the joint where the pinky toe connects to the foot) and my foot is sliding straight off the nose.
so from set up foot placement to flick your foot actually slides to the heel side of your board? That’s the only way it could slide straight off?
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My kickflips won’t stay under my feet. The tail floats too much heelside. Like 45°. Am I pushing off my tail like a shuv it or something? I’m really not scooping, actually angling my rear foot toward the tail a bit.
Or could it be my front kick foot hitting the nose too soon or something, not the pocket?
Try squaring your shoulders with the board, and focus on popping straight down.
I used to have that problem as well.
I see also seem to use the whole side of my forefoot instead of a sharp toe angle. Can tell on my shoes. Never understood that very front toe wear
my good kickflips use the side of the my foot (the joint where the pinky toe connects to the foot) and my foot is sliding straight off the nose.
Just set up this deck so the grip is tearing my shoes up. Luckily, it shows where my foot slides. Blue is kickflip and yellow is 3 flip.
It’s not “straight off the nose” but that’s what I’m imagining before I pop
(https://i.imgur.com/2MobgsA_d.jpg?maxwidth=640)
Pre flick, I personally don’t think foot placement matters a whole lot but I have found that if you’re kickflipping down something, it helps to have your feet in an Ollie position
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How tf do you pop out of crooked grinds, not even in the middle of the ledge but just properly off the end. I can do halfcab, nollie, sw, fakie/nollie fs, 180sw amongst other variations but can't pop out properly for shit. For the most part they look ok but I know the feeling/look of a proper pop out and mine ain't it.
Half the time when I roll away after trying to give it the nudge out the board detaches a bit from my feet and hits the ground first. I struggle to find the pressure point and cant seem to get any sort of real leverage out so when I do try to give it a nudge it usually flips on me. I'm supposed to put the weight on my heels(toe for fs) I guess but I feel like I'm already doing that?
I find that fakie frontside crooks seem to be the most conducive towards popping out properly but that trick is hard in other ways so I usually can't focus on the pop out. Nollie bs crooks set me up for a slightly better pop out than regular ones too for whatever reason.
Once in a while I'll do a crook that locks and grinds perfectly and it will automatically do a solid pop out. Those feel super satisfying but I can't seem to recreate it when I try.
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I can't heelflip for dogshit and I hate fifty fiddies so much that if I'm trying a nose grind or a five o and both my trucks touch I get off my board (more like off the ground)and kick my own ass
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BS Smiths and Lipslides! Can't get over the mental barrier to pop a BS 5-0 and point my toes down for the Smith. Can't bring myself to ollie up and over the top of the ledge to lock in the lipslide.
Yeah man that up and over stick your back foot out and turn your body half backwards on a back lip is tricky for moi too but they are just so goddamn sick (re: a million Heath Kirchart ones, but I especially like two Jamie Thomas does, the one at that Atlanta rail where Corey duffel fucked up his wrist in right foot forward, it's one of Jamie's last tricks in dying to live, and the one he does where he initially breaks his board before he lands it in cold war), josh Kalis and Sean sheffey both have such sick ones too, oh wait were supposed to be talking tricks that give us fits rather than who is gnarly... Sorry
The way I learned back smiths was to get comfortable with getting into a smith going slow ish without grinding. Think about it more like a missed 5050 instead like a 5-0 where you tend to rocket your ollie a bit.
Once you're comfortable with getting into the back smith position and sticking, try going a bit faster, leaning not only back but also away from the ledge (toeside) when you get in. Also make sure you get into the ledge very gently (ollie into the grind, not onto it) and try have your board and lower body slightly ahead of your upper body and you should slowly be able to start grinding it a bit. Obviously put most of the weight on your back foot, your front foot is only meant to point the front of the board in a dipped position and for the most part should be pretty limp with no real weight over it.
I found getting into the position quite difficult, let alone getting it to grind which is why I think it might be beneficial to break it down into two phases: ollieing into the position and then learning to be delicate/having the correct weight distribution/grinding, so that there isn't too much to think about at once. Also, like with most backside tricks, I find that trying to look at my back foot after popping generally helps me get my shoulders aligned properly.
For back lips, once you're comfortable with getting into back smiths, you can just slightly over rotate the smith and you'll get into a lipslide, that should help you with the fear of getting over the ledge that way. I still need to work on holding these and coming out, board flips on me when I come out a lot because my back foot isn't on the tail enough and is often too much on the bolts.
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Fs bluntslides, been trying on and off for a long time never actually landed one. I get in, slide a little bit but I feel like once I am properly with the backfoot on the edge of the ledge, I always jump off the board. Might have something to do with counterbalancing them with my front foot but I m not sure.
When I feel like I'm not sitting on top of it enough (which happens to be when its most blunted sometimes) and I fall back heelside once I stick the landing but don't roll away, putting my front foot more straight as opposed to at a slight angle like a kickflip which I sometimes tend to do seems to help me stay over it a bit.
When you're sliding you don't necessarily need to put weight on your front foot or do any counterbalancing as you're obviously pressing very hard on your back foot (if you can slide them then you know the feeling), but when you're turning out you may need to consciously shift your body weight to be more even over the board towards your front foot as opposed to having it solely over the back foot if that makes sense.
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Always thought fs pop shuvs just weren't for me when I was younger so I just stopped bothering trying them at some point. Doesn't get much more basic then that. It's kind of annoying seeing people who have skated for like 1% of the time I have land them, so I've been trying and actually got a couple in the last week. Keep almost biting my tongue off for some reason when I try to land them though.
Front foot flat across the board, back foot positioned where like the toe/ ball of your foot area is right dead center on the tail
Then you pop and as soon as you feel your board really snap you kinda kick your back foot out away from you forward and suck your legs up and it just does it?
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Always thought fs pop shuvs just weren't for me when I was younger so I just stopped bothering trying them at some point. Doesn't get much more basic then that. It's kind of annoying seeing people who have skated for like 1% of the time I have land them, so I've been trying and actually got a couple in the last week. Keep almost biting my tongue off for some reason when I try to land them though.
Front foot flat across the board, back foot positioned where like the toe/ ball of your foot area is right dead center on the tail
Then you pop and as soon as you feel your board really snap you kinda kick your back foot out away from you forward and suck your legs up and it just does it?
I put my back foot on the heel side (cornerish area) of my tail. Popping there makes your board do a 180, you can push more or less straight down.
If you find REALLY slick ground you could try slidey front shuvs to get the feel of the motion.
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I never tried that, I’m gonna try and see if it makes them pop higher
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Front nosegrind advice?
Even off the end of a ledge I feel like I’m gonna smack my back truck getting off of it. And I naturally rotate frontside when getting into them so I go into dumb “overcrooks” a lot.
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Front nosegrind advice?
Even off the end of a ledge I feel like I’m gonna smack my back truck getting off of it. And I naturally rotate frontside when getting into them so I go into dumb “overcrooks” a lot.
I treat mine like locked-in nosemannys, which I know sounds dumb but I don't know how to better describe the technique that's not the snowplow style. They work just like that too, essentially as the perfect logical mix of a 50-50 and a nosewheelie. I do get what you mean though because I have the going-over-the-top-frontside thing going on switch frontside nosegrinds, probably because I learned switch nosegrind reverts first. Just being off axis like that makes the trick feel completely different to me. The position of the shoulders on the ollie seem to be what dictates that.
Off the end of a ledge you just gotta push off the nose like you would out of nosewheelie if you can do that. You don't have to pop (although getting actual nollie pop out of frontside nosegrinds feels fucking amazing), just nudge that front truck ahead of you. It's always tempting to start putting the back truck down before the dismount but that's also exactly how one perfectly invalidates a nosegrind.
Mid ledge I have to pop an actual nollie out of my frontside nosegrinds because of my technique, which again feels cool when it works but seems harder than how people with the snowplow technique do it where it almost looks like a noseblunt pop out type of rebound.
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What’s the secret to a good shifty, mine are garbage and I would like to cruise around throwing them
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Front nosegrind advice?
Even off the end of a ledge I feel like I’m gonna smack my back truck getting off of it. And I naturally rotate frontside when getting into them so I go into dumb “overcrooks” a lot.
I treat mine like locked-in nosemannys, which I know sounds dumb but I don't know how to better describe the technique that's not the snowplow style. They work just like that too, essentially as the perfect logical mix of a 50-50 and a nosewheelie. I do get what you mean though because I have the going-over-the-top-frontside thing going on switch frontside nosegrinds, probably because I learned switch nosegrind reverts first. Just being off axis like that makes the trick feel completely different to me. The position of the shoulders on the ollie seem to be what dictates that.
Off the end of a ledge you just gotta push off the nose like you would out of nosewheelie if you can do that. You don't have to pop (although getting actual nollie pop out of frontside nosegrinds feels fucking amazing), just nudge that front truck ahead of you. It's always tempting to start putting the back truck down before the dismount but that's also exactly how one perfectly invalidates a nosegrind.
Mid ledge I have to pop an actual nollie out of my frontside nosegrinds because of my technique, which again feels cool when it works but seems harder than how people with the snowplow technique do it where it almost looks like a noseblunt pop out type of rebound.
Remember to pop just high enough for your trucks to get on, shoulders parallel with the ledge.
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Front nosegrind advice?
Even off the end of a ledge I feel like I’m gonna smack my back truck getting off of it. And I naturally rotate frontside when getting into them so I go into dumb “overcrooks” a lot.
I treat mine like locked-in nosemannys, which I know sounds dumb but I don't know how to better describe the technique that's not the snowplow style. They work just like that too, essentially as the perfect logical mix of a 50-50 and a nosewheelie. I do get what you mean though because I have the going-over-the-top-frontside thing going on switch frontside nosegrinds, probably because I learned switch nosegrind reverts first. Just being off axis like that makes the trick feel completely different to me. The position of the shoulders on the ollie seem to be what dictates that.
Off the end of a ledge you just gotta push off the nose like you would out of nosewheelie if you can do that. You don't have to pop (although getting actual nollie pop out of frontside nosegrinds feels fucking amazing), just nudge that front truck ahead of you. It's always tempting to start putting the back truck down before the dismount but that's also exactly how one perfectly invalidates a nosegrind.
Mid ledge I have to pop an actual nollie out of my frontside nosegrinds because of my technique, which again feels cool when it works but seems harder than how people with the snowplow technique do it where it almost looks like a noseblunt pop out type of rebound.
Remember to pop just high enough for your trucks to get on, shoulders parallel with the ledge.
Good looks bros I’ll try this if it ever stops raining.
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Front nosegrind advice?
Even off the end of a ledge I feel like I’m gonna smack my back truck getting off of it. And I naturally rotate frontside when getting into them so I go into dumb “overcrooks” a lot.
I treat mine like locked-in nosemannys, which I know sounds dumb but I don't know how to better describe the technique that's not the snowplow style. They work just like that too, essentially as the perfect logical mix of a 50-50 and a nosewheelie. I do get what you mean though because I have the going-over-the-top-frontside thing going on switch frontside nosegrinds, probably because I learned switch nosegrind reverts first. Just being off axis like that makes the trick feel completely different to me. The position of the shoulders on the ollie seem to be what dictates that.
Off the end of a ledge you just gotta push off the nose like you would out of nosewheelie if you can do that. You don't have to pop (although getting actual nollie pop out of frontside nosegrinds feels fucking amazing), just nudge that front truck ahead of you. It's always tempting to start putting the back truck down before the dismount but that's also exactly how one perfectly invalidates a nosegrind.
Mid ledge I have to pop an actual nollie out of my frontside nosegrinds because of my technique, which again feels cool when it works but seems harder than how people with the snowplow technique do it where it almost looks like a noseblunt pop out type of rebound.
Remember to pop just high enough for your trucks to get on, shoulders parallel with the ledge.
Good looks bros I’ll try this if it ever stops raining.
Anyone got tips for BS Nosegrinds? Conceptually I know it is like a FS one but I can't wrap my head around placing a nose manual on the heel side of the ledge.
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Back nosegrinds seem like a huge mind fuck when you think of them like a nose manual but they’re not too bad. I never tried them because i thought they were impossible and weren’t for me, but one day i did and blasted one across an 8 ft ledge within like 5 tries. Find a lowish skatepark ledge that you can hit straight on, as opposed to the side. Start out with some back 50’s and gradually work your way more towards the nose. You kinda want to be leaning forward and you want your front truck engaged before you pop if that makes sense. Like during a 5-0 your back truck is engaged and turning, so think about it vice versa. So do some 50’s and get comfortable getting your front truck on first and start toying with leaning towards the nose and popping out nollie. Put your front foot near the bolts, like probably farther forward than for most tricks. Here’s where it gets crazy and it’s what made it click...you literally just put your front truck on the ledge hard while going fast and it works. I’m telling you, just think about really putting your truck on there, dont over complicate it by thinking of it like a manual. The resistance from the grind is nice and stable and easier for me to balance than a nose manny. Your back foot should be somewhere on the toe side around the tail and bolts, you’ll figure out the angle it needs to be. Get to the end and pop out. Watch Delatorre, AVE, etc... You can do it!!! They’re definitely easier with tighter trucks.
I do front nose grinds like a nose manual but wish i could snow plow because it seems easier to pop out on concrete. Any tips on how to get the snow plow effect and pop out mid ledge?
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Back nosegrinds seem like a huge mind fuck when you think of them like a nose manual but they’re not too bad. I never tried them because i thought they were impossible and weren’t for me, but one day i did and blasted one across an 8 ft ledge within like 5 tries. Find a lowish skatepark ledge that you can hit straight on, as opposed to the side. Start out with some back 50’s and gradually work your way more towards the nose. You kinda want to be leaning forward and you want your front truck engaged before you pop if that makes sense. Like during a 5-0 your back truck is engaged and turning, so think about it vice versa. So do some 50’s and get comfortable getting your front truck on first and start toying with leaning towards the nose and popping out nollie. Put your front foot near the bolts, like probably farther forward than for most tricks. Here’s where it gets crazy and it’s what made it click...you literally just put your front truck on the ledge hard while going fast and it works. I’m telling you, just think about really putting your truck on there, dont over complicate it by thinking of it like a manual. The resistance from the grind is nice and stable and easier for me to balance than a nose manny. Your back foot should be somewhere on the toe side around the tail and bolts, you’ll figure out the angle it needs to be. Get to the end and pop out. Watch Delatorre, AVE, etc... You can do it!!! They’re definitely easier with tighter trucks.
I do front nose grinds like a nose manual but wish i could snow plow because it seems easier to pop out on concrete. Any tips on how to get the snow plow effect and pop out mid ledge?
Thanks for the detailed breakdown, going to blast a few today at the park. Do you find it easier to plow through them versus balancing on them like Wenning or Pops? For FS Nosegrinds I try and position my front foot way up the board, just over the front truck so I can avoid smashing my front truck on the ledge.
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Random but for backside nosegrinds, I was scared to commit at first so the first ones I did, I learned by first nosemannying the ledge approaching straight on, then getting closer and closer to the edge and into the position, if that makes sense. I think it really helped me get a sense of the feel for that trick because you can focus on the grind and dismount every time, as opposed to wasting time learning to get onto the ledge first. You will have to eventually, but then you'll also know how the trick is supposed to feel, what exact position you're supposed to ollie into and I don't know, something about nosemanny to b/s nosegrind is actually quite fun to do.
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Random but for backside nosegrinds, I was scared to commit at first so the first ones I did, I learned by first nosemannying the ledge approaching straight on, then getting closer and closer to the edge and into the position, if that makes sense. I think it really helped me get a sense of the feel for that trick because you can focus on the grind and dismount every time, as opposed to wasting time learning to get onto the ledge first. You will have to eventually, but then you'll also know how the trick is supposed to feel, what exact position you're supposed to ollie into and I don't know, something about nosemanny to b/s nosegrind is actually quite fun to do.
That's a good approach, need to get over the mental barrier of going backwards onto a ledge. I'll try and hit up the park early tomorrow so I can work on them both FS and BS uninterrupted.
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Back nosegrinds seem like a huge mind fuck when you think of them like a nose manual but they’re not too bad. I never tried them because i thought they were impossible and weren’t for me, but one day i did and blasted one across an 8 ft ledge within like 5 tries. Find a lowish skatepark ledge that you can hit straight on, as opposed to the side. Start out with some back 50’s and gradually work your way more towards the nose. You kinda want to be leaning forward and you want your front truck engaged before you pop if that makes sense. Like during a 5-0 your back truck is engaged and turning, so think about it vice versa. So do some 50’s and get comfortable getting your front truck on first and start toying with leaning towards the nose and popping out nollie. Put your front foot near the bolts, like probably farther forward than for most tricks. Here’s where it gets crazy and it’s what made it click...you literally just put your front truck on the ledge hard while going fast and it works. I’m telling you, just think about really putting your truck on there, dont over complicate it by thinking of it like a manual. The resistance from the grind is nice and stable and easier for me to balance than a nose manny. Your back foot should be somewhere on the toe side around the tail and bolts, you’ll figure out the angle it needs to be. Get to the end and pop out. Watch Delatorre, AVE, etc... You can do it!!! They’re definitely easier with tighter trucks.
I do front nose grinds like a nose manual but wish i could snow plow because it seems easier to pop out on concrete. Any tips on how to get the snow plow effect and pop out mid ledge?
Thanks for the detailed breakdown, going to blast a few today at the park. Do you find it easier to plow through them versus balancing on them like Wenning or Pops? For FS Nosegrinds I try and position my front foot way up the board, just over the front truck so I can avoid smashing my front truck on the ledge.
I personally find it easier to balance them. Between mine and silhouette’s advice, you will definitely get them soon.
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Back nosegrinds seem like a huge mind fuck when you think of them like a nose manual but they’re not too bad. I never tried them because i thought they were impossible and weren’t for me, but one day i did and blasted one across an 8 ft ledge within like 5 tries. Find a lowish skatepark ledge that you can hit straight on, as opposed to the side. Start out with some back 50’s and gradually work your way more towards the nose. You kinda want to be leaning forward and you want your front truck engaged before you pop if that makes sense. Like during a 5-0 your back truck is engaged and turning, so think about it vice versa. So do some 50’s and get comfortable getting your front truck on first and start toying with leaning towards the nose and popping out nollie. Put your front foot near the bolts, like probably farther forward than for most tricks. Here’s where it gets crazy and it’s what made it click...you literally just put your front truck on the ledge hard while going fast and it works. I’m telling you, just think about really putting your truck on there, dont over complicate it by thinking of it like a manual. The resistance from the grind is nice and stable and easier for me to balance than a nose manny. Your back foot should be somewhere on the toe side around the tail and bolts, you’ll figure out the angle it needs to be. Get to the end and pop out. Watch Delatorre, AVE, etc... You can do it!!! They’re definitely easier with tighter trucks.
I do front nose grinds like a nose manual but wish i could snow plow because it seems easier to pop out on concrete. Any tips on how to get the snow plow effect and pop out mid ledge?
imma try this next time I skate the park! good tips dude.
I plow my FS nosegrinds but i always had trouble with them untill i learned noseblunts - figuring out that over the ledge balance on the front foot is what mae them click for me. i dont even think about balance anymore, jus ollie up and get the weight over the nose
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Back nosegrinds seem like a huge mind fuck when you think of them like a nose manual but they’re not too bad. I never tried them because i thought they were impossible and weren’t for me, but one day i did and blasted one across an 8 ft ledge within like 5 tries. Find a lowish skatepark ledge that you can hit straight on, as opposed to the side. Start out with some back 50’s and gradually work your way more towards the nose. You kinda want to be leaning forward and you want your front truck engaged before you pop if that makes sense. Like during a 5-0 your back truck is engaged and turning, so think about it vice versa. So do some 50’s and get comfortable getting your front truck on first and start toying with leaning towards the nose and popping out nollie. Put your front foot near the bolts, like probably farther forward than for most tricks. Here’s where it gets crazy and it’s what made it click...you literally just put your front truck on the ledge hard while going fast and it works. I’m telling you, just think about really putting your truck on there, dont over complicate it by thinking of it like a manual. The resistance from the grind is nice and stable and easier for me to balance than a nose manny. Your back foot should be somewhere on the toe side around the tail and bolts, you’ll figure out the angle it needs to be. Get to the end and pop out. Watch Delatorre, AVE, etc... You can do it!!! They’re definitely easier with tighter trucks.
I do front nose grinds like a nose manual but wish i could snow plow because it seems easier to pop out on concrete. Any tips on how to get the snow plow effect and pop out mid ledge?
Thanks for the detailed breakdown, going to blast a few today at the park. Do you find it easier to plow through them versus balancing on them like Wenning or Pops? For FS Nosegrinds I try and position my front foot way up the board, just over the front truck so I can avoid smashing my front truck on the ledge.
I personally find it easier to balance them. Between mine and silhouette’s advice, you will definitely get them soon.
Thanks pals, landed 2 today during an early afternoon session! It became way less daunting one I thought of it as trying to pop a nose manny onto the side of the ledge. Pop off the edge still needs some work, my back truck clipped the ledge but I'll take what I can get today.
Learning way too late into skating it's better to pop low and controlled for ledge tricks.
Edit: make that 3
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Back nosegrinds seem like a huge mind fuck when you think of them like a nose manual but they’re not too bad. I never tried them because i thought they were impossible and weren’t for me, but one day i did and blasted one across an 8 ft ledge within like 5 tries. Find a lowish skatepark ledge that you can hit straight on, as opposed to the side. Start out with some back 50’s and gradually work your way more towards the nose. You kinda want to be leaning forward and you want your front truck engaged before you pop if that makes sense. Like during a 5-0 your back truck is engaged and turning, so think about it vice versa. So do some 50’s and get comfortable getting your front truck on first and start toying with leaning towards the nose and popping out nollie. Put your front foot near the bolts, like probably farther forward than for most tricks. Here’s where it gets crazy and it’s what made it click...you literally just put your front truck on the ledge hard while going fast and it works. I’m telling you, just think about really putting your truck on there, dont over complicate it by thinking of it like a manual. The resistance from the grind is nice and stable and easier for me to balance than a nose manny. Your back foot should be somewhere on the toe side around the tail and bolts, you’ll figure out the angle it needs to be. Get to the end and pop out. Watch Delatorre, AVE, etc... You can do it!!! They’re definitely easier with tighter trucks.
I do front nose grinds like a nose manual but wish i could snow plow because it seems easier to pop out on concrete. Any tips on how to get the snow plow effect and pop out mid ledge?
I balance mine like a normal nose grind, then kind of shifty into some sorta overcrook-noseblunt and pop out of that if that makes any sense.
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Does anyone angle their sliding foot on nollie heels?
When I watch other people do them, it looks like both feet are square with the board.
I seem to only get them when my sliding foot angles the toes towards the nose.
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I really need help learning how to 3 shuv. I keep rotating tre flips. I can't get the board to stay flat.
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Rocklobster: Super sick, glad i could help.
Grindr+Wobbleheadbob: I understand what you guys mean. I’ve done countless front nosegrinds in that position but i always fuck up the mid ledge pop out. Ideally i’d like to learn them like Tom Knox where he can jam in and out in one motion.Typically on a nose grind i just haul ass and jam it in there but maybe i should practice going slower and try to finesse it more. Is your weight somewhat on the heel on your front foot? Back foot just like a normal nosemanny/nosegrind pop out? Is there a tip or something you noticed for getting that pop out to stay under you?
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Rocklobster: Super sick, glad i could help.
Grindr+Wobbleheadbob: I understand what you guys mean. I’ve done countless front nosegrinds in that position but i always fuck up the mid ledge pop out. Ideally i’d like to learn them like Tom Knox where he can jam in and out in one motion.Typically on a nose grind i just haul ass and jam it in there but maybe i should practice going slower and try to finesse it more. Is your weight somewhat on the heel on your front foot? Back foot just like a normal nosemanny/nosegrind pop out? Is there a tip or something you noticed for getting that pop out to stay under you?
admitedly i am not the greatest at mid ledge pop outs but the ones i have done I kinda think of the actual pop as one of those crack nollies you do on raised slabs, then body wise i am just thinking about getting every thing straightened out away from the ledge if that makes any sense?
I feel like my weight is more on the ball of my front foot than anywhere else, maybe if your weight is on the heel hat might be whats messing you up?
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Anyone got tips for switch slappy crooks? Got them regs want to learn them switch. I can’t seem to adjust my weight and jam into it like a regular one. Also haven’t dedicated much time to it. Just moved and there’s a curb right down the street begging to get clear coated.
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you riding the board backwards rolling up? I had more luck locking them in when I had the board regular, usually for everything else I'll skate the board backwards switch. felt like I had a little more leverage using the nose .
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Does anyone angle their sliding foot on nollie heels?
When I watch other people do them, it looks like both feet are square with the board.
I seem to only get them when my sliding foot angles the toes towards the nose.
That's how I do them. It's probably good to try and learn them with your foot more square to get more height. So it's more of a nollie + flick.
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Fs 3 no complies, no comply reverts.
I’m ok with regular 180’s, but I’m not precise enough with my foot placement to do those tricks above.
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Fs 3 no complies, no comply reverts.
I’m ok with regular 180’s, but I’m not precise enough with my foot placement to do those tricks above.
Those aren't so much about having precise foot placement (mine is the same regardless of if I want to revert whichever way or not) as they are about mustering the balls (at first) to actually jump with the board in the direction you're going, whereas on normal 43's you can kind of just hover over the board while it stays under you. Here you have to alter your momentum a bit on the jump and really go after those back wheels with your weight, even if you don't get the revert you should still leap forwards in a way that makes sure you're landing on that back foot (which is why it's so obvious someone was trying to revert and not just going for a 180 when they bail on that trick). Sometimes you'll miss the tail altogether and still make the revert by just reverting on one foot with that foot over the bolts instead, still good.
That's mostly for the revert/shifty version, for 360's the same also applies but I know when I first learned mine I could only do them all in the air for reasons similar to yours, spinning 360 like that was too disorienting to commit to a blind jump and essentially a one-footed landing. Then I guess I got better at the revert version and eventually those just started clicking. They're all in the shoulders and you should mentally aim at overrotating and overextending a 43 for those whereas for revert you want to think slight underrotation if anything (at first).
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Fs 3 no complies, no comply reverts.
I’m ok with regular 180’s, but I’m not precise enough with my foot placement to do those tricks above.
for the 3s i swerve/lean into them, kinda sets you up for it with a little more momentum
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Kickflips. Damn board always wraps around my front foot and rapes my front ankle. It used to hurt, but I got a fat scar there now and get used to it. Mad annoying tho.
Board always turns slightly backside, and I don't feel any control over it, I just flail around and it works out sometimes. often land too far forward and end up in a nose manual type thing too.
Most annoying thing is how easy it is. Sometimes I'll have them on lock (not done well, but every try), and other times I'll spend 45 minutes at the end of a session just trying to get ONE. So fucking frustrating
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Kickflips. Damn board always wraps around my front foot and rapes my front ankle. It used to hurt, but I got a fat scar there now and get used to it. Mad annoying tho.
Board always turns slightly backside, and I don't feel any control over it, I just flail around and it works out sometimes. often land too far forward and end up in a nose manual type thing too.
Most annoying thing is how easy it is. Sometimes I'll have them on lock (not done well, but every try), and other times I'll spend 45 minutes at the end of a session just trying to get ONE. So fucking frustrating
i feel this. i was screwing around and that front foot thing was happening to me too. Then i just relaxed my front ankle and tried to actually "flick" off the front and it takes that away. I feel like it happens when my front foot is too stiff and im forcing it.
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does anyone have tips for fs tailslides? I can jump into them kinda okay but after a mean slip out to back smack on a curb I am afraid to really commit to them.
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does anyone have tips for fs tailslides? I can jump into them kinda okay but after a mean slip out to back smack on a curb I am afraid to really commit to them.
I’m the opposite currently. I used to have them. Now my issue is when I pop into them my tail doesn’t stay with my back foot. Sometimes my back foot lands on the ledge in position ready to slide but the board is left behind. Wtf is that about yo.
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Maybe that's too general of a piece of advice but for both of you guys' problems on kickflips turning backside and leaving the board behind on tailslides, it sounds like you're not doing enough of a ollie into the trick because you're too focused on the idea of the trick itself. Maybe focusing on a serious, stabilized ollie and then adding the motion of the trick is what you need. For the kickflip's case, also make sure to watch your shoulders.
cosmicgypsies' tip on 360 no-complies is also very valid.
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Yeah I think you're right about fs tailslides. I've always had a hard time with them, and really tried to work on just tail stalls but I think I'm always so focused on getting into them that I forget that my front foot has to actually do it's job on the ollie part. Like I don't push it forward and level out the board. It's so bad that I have trouble even visualizing fs tailslides in my mind. I think I need to also consider where my nose needs to go relative to the ledge in space. Waiting for the snow to melt so I can try my theory on a curb.
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Kickflips. Damn board always wraps around my front foot and rapes my front ankle. It used to hurt, but I got a fat scar there now and get used to it. Mad annoying tho.
Board always turns slightly backside, and I don't feel any control over it, I just flail around and it works out sometimes. often land too far forward and end up in a nose manual type thing too.
Most annoying thing is how easy it is. Sometimes I'll have them on lock (not done well, but every try), and other times I'll spend 45 minutes at the end of a session just trying to get ONE. So fucking frustrating
Keep your shoulders square that should stop the bs rotation.
I have my weight leaning a little further forward than dead centre of the board
when you flick, drag your toe up over the bottom heelside truck bolt and out of the top of the nose pocket
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If your back foot gets left behind on Fs Tailslides, try to actually look at your back foot right after you ollie - I had that problem, too, and this together with approaching the ledge at a parallel angle and popping off a little closer to the edge fixed it for me.
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does anyone have tips for fs tailslides? I can jump into them kinda okay but after a mean slip out to back smack on a curb I am afraid to really commit to them.
Idk. Sounds like it's just a headtrip or mindfuck for you?
When I feel like I'm sliding out on a front tail my natural instinct is to ollie to fakie. I feel like I flinched and did that once and my body just does it on it's own now. I've rarely done a front tail to fakie on purpose..
What out for crazy waxed ledges?
Don't jam your tail in too hard? Shifty and set it on the curb/ledge.
Don't push your board to far in front of you and do a stiff legged, lock-kneed slide. Don't want your back leg super stiff or straight.
Stand on top of it a lil with you're knees slightly bent so you can push it, or ease off or ollie out when it's too slidey.
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does anyone have tips for fs tailslides? I can jump into them kinda okay but after a mean slip out to back smack on a curb I am afraid to really commit to them.
When I feel like I'm sliding out on a front tail my natural instinct is to ollie to fakie. I feel like I flinched and did that once and my body just does it on it's own now. I've rarely done a front tail to fakie on purpose..
What out for crazy waxed ledges?
Don't jam your tail in too hard? Shifty and set it on the curb/ledge.
Don't push your board to far in front of you and do a stiff legged, lock-kneed slide. Don't want your back leg super stiff or straight.
Stand on top of it a lil with you're knees slightly bent so you can push it, or ease off or ollie out when it's too slidey.
Thanks mate. I will try it with a big board on a curb first.
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Thanks doods. As usual I’m all over the place thinking about learning 10 tricks while realistically only skating like twice a week. But one more for ya...
Any tips on coming out of crooks back to regs? I’ve been 180ing out to fakie most of my life and it’s time to grow up.
I can land regs off the end of a ledge like 1 in 10 tries but not super comfortable with it plus I want to learn mid ledge pop out.
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Almost 15 years of skating clocked in and I'm still trying to do nose manuals
preach
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Almost 15 years of skating clocked in and I'm still trying to do nose manuals
Do one across a parking space. Figure out a comfortable foot position for you..
Then find a shortish manny pad you can go straight at
Don't ollie..
Put your feet in that comfy position
Lift up, push down, do a nose manny..
Then learn to ollie into that comfy stance. You can practice this standing still
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Thanks doods. As usual I’m all over the place thinking about learning 10 tricks while realistically only skating like twice a week. But one more for ya...
Any tips on coming out of crooks back to regs? I’ve been 180ing out to fakie most of my life and it’s time to grow up.
I can land regs off the end of a ledge like 1 in 10 tries but not super comfortable with it plus I want to learn mid ledge pop out.
Same here, I can go to regs on curbs but on ledges can’t quite get them, I’m also being a wuss most times
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Thanks doods. As usual I’m all over the place thinking about learning 10 tricks while realistically only skating like twice a week. But one more for ya...
Any tips on coming out of crooks back to regs? I’ve been 180ing out to fakie most of my life and it’s time to grow up.
I can land regs off the end of a ledge like 1 in 10 tries but not super comfortable with it plus I want to learn mid ledge pop out.
For me it feels like the same motion as nollieing out of a noseslide on a ledge. Except your kinda bouncing off the bushings instead of really nollieing off the nose. I use my front foot (both feet really) to push my board back toe refs just like a noseslide. Front foot nollies and pushes, back foot grips and pulls the tail back. Over exaggerate this and you'll land manny.
Ollieing into it I go more or less parallel. If it's automatically going to fakie you're probably rotating your shoulders too far frontside. Turns your hips, turns your feet..
Try to square up and cock your shoulders and hips a lil bit more backside. Does that make sense?
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Backside smith grinds. Finally got the balls to commit to popping into them yesterday, but I can't get the front foot pointed down. I'll have to re-read the stuff you guys posted a few pages back and get back into them today.
Edit: got them today after around 20+ tries. The motion still feels very unnatural - having to aim your front truck down while popping up. That feeling of the pinch is the fucking best. Thanks you fuckers.
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Bluntslides on ledges: I used to be able to do FS Bluntslides on rails, they were more like flopped-over-tailslides and I could only come out fakie.
Is there something more to Bluntslides other than just committing to them and blasting them with speed? I understand they are like nose/tailslides on the top of the ledges rather than the sides.
They seem easier to lock into going straight on rather than popping in mid ledge, especially nose blunts.
Thanks for the help everyone, its thanks to you guys I've added learned new this this year after having stagnated for so long!
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Bluntslides on ledges: I used to be able to do FS Bluntslides on rails, they were more like flopped-over-tailslides and I could only come out fakie.
Is there something more to Bluntslides other than just committing to them and blasting them with speed? I understand they are like nose/tailslides on the top of the ledges rather than the sides.
They seem easier to lock into going straight on rather than popping in mid ledge, especially nose blunts.
Thanks for the help everyone, its thanks to you guys I've added learned new this this year after having stagnated for so long!
ya I got u. noseblunts are way easier from behind: practice some noseslides and front lips (just to get the feeling of ollieng over and turning), do a solid ollie, imagine your nose as the point of rotation, your nose should be already aimed over where you wanna lock in before you ollie (except not rotated yet), and swing your back foot 90 degrees around your nose (which should be 'fixed') to get your board into position. Put all your weight on your nose obviously, if it doesn't slide, put a bit more weight on your heel side to push it.
Front blunts definitely easier from the side, back blunts I can see how they might work a lil better from behind if you're just starting but you should practice from the side too. Rocket your ollie, lock in as vert as you can, place all the pressure on your back foot. To push it, front blunt: pressure on toe side, back blunt: pressure on heel side. Here's the key though: on a tailslide, you put all your weight on the tail but like straight on top of the tail. On a proper bluntslide, since the edge of your tail kind of goes on the side of the ledge (where your wheels would be for a tailslide), thats where you wanna put some of your back foot pressure too, kinda sideways into the side of the ledge and not just straight downwards from above like a tailslide. Though be careful because if you do that too much without locking in vertically proper and your entire tail is on top of the ledge you'll probably slip out perpendicular to the ledge.
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^ Your post was like a slow build-up for me that was really making me picture the way bluntslides are supposed to feel and excited to try working on them more, then your last sentence ruined absolutely everything.
Nah, your tips will probably be helpful for me too, I could always land into those tricks just fine but I've always been too terrified by the slide to fully commit on them on ledges (which gradually deteriorated into never even trying them anymore over time).
Silly but maybe a good way to understand how to lock into some of those tricks is by first doing them as stalls on curbs and - maybe even before that - on banks for noseblunts. Can't really help with the sliding part personally (although I'm sure it's just momentum and balance from that point on), but I learned how to (somewhat) lock into frontside noseblunt and nollie frontside noseblunt on curbs quite early on in skating. Some nollie noseblunt variations also seem more natural and lazier than their ollie counterpart, I'm especially thinking nollie frontside noseblunt on curbs (which I still can't really do well) and nollie backside noseblunts on banks/transitions as far as I'm concerned (also a fun way to learn nollie backside nosepicks or whatever they're called). Obviously, on ledges those all seem like a whole different level of threat though.
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^ Your post was like a slow build-up for me that was really making me picture the way bluntslides are supposed to feel and excited to try working on them more, then your last sentence ruined absolutely everything.
This so much ;D
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For nosebluntslide, play with front foot placement depending on the height of the thing you're doing it on, too. You've got to find the sweet spot that will get on top to lock in AND have your front foot locked down like a noseslide. It's been ages since I've done one (the year 2022 marks 30 years since my last backside nosebluntslide), but I spent so much time working on them to get them that I can still picture my front foot placement in relation to the bolts.
I also remember frontside nollie nosebluntslides being easier for me once I figured out the regular version because of the foot placement. This is part of the reason I built my curbs. I'm trying to get these suckers back.
edit: if you do frontside nosegrinds overcrook style, the noseblunt is not that far off.
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^ Your post was like a slow build-up for me that was really making me picture the way bluntslides are supposed to feel and excited to try working on them more, then your last sentence ruined absolutely everything.
Nah, your tips will probably be helpful for me too, I could always land into those tricks just fine but I've always been too terrified by the slide to fully commit on them on ledges (which gradually deteriorated into never even trying them anymore over time).
Silly but maybe a good way to understand how to lock into some of those tricks is by first doing them as stalls on curbs and - maybe even before that - on banks for noseblunts. Can't really help with the sliding part personally (although I'm sure it's just momentum and balance from that point on), but I learned how to (somewhat) lock into frontside noseblunt and nollie frontside noseblunt on curbs quite early on in skating. Some nollie noseblunt variations also seem more natural and lazier than their ollie counterpart, I'm especially thinking nollie frontside noseblunt on curbs (which I still can't really do well) and nollie backside noseblunts on banks/transitions as far as I'm concerned (also a fun way to learn nollie backside nosepicks or whatever they're called). Obviously, on ledges those all seem like a whole different level of threat though.
lol, yeah going slow and practicing the stall on a curb, and then a dry ish ledge will be helpful too. Never tried blunting on banks/transition, seems super different to me.
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Alright. Nollie flips. I’ve got this mental block where my back foot has to go straight to the ground when I flip it.
The flip itself is fine, pop is fine. I can keep it under me, catch it with my front foot, but my back foot doesn’t know what to do after it flips, so it just instinctively goes to the ground.
I need some help ya’ll. Tired of looking dumb every time I try these.
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Alright. Nollie flips. I’ve got this mental block where my back foot has to go straight to the ground when I flip it.
The flip itself is fine, pop is fine. I can keep it under me, catch it with my front foot, but my back foot doesn’t know what to do after it flips, so it just instinctively goes to the ground.
I need some help ya’ll. Tired of looking dumb every time I try these.
Sounds like you're flicking down instead of out. You're supposed to remain over the board the whole time. Random idea that may or may not be silly but maybe try nollie one-foots just to get the basic feel of popping a nollie, taking your back foot off then bringing it back. Then eventually you'll probably just refine that ankle flick so that the board stays under you just like it probably does on normal kickflips.
People don't stress this enough but for flip tricks in general, the most important is never to get the flip right (anybody can easily 'form' any trick without actual control of the right technique to land on them), and always to remain over the board and be able to catch it with both feet regardless of what it does - bailing by landing with both feet on the board upside down because you missed your flick is a hundred times better than bailing with one foot on the ground after completing the full flip, yet with no control on the landing.
Also now I remember that learning switch flips really helped me for nollie flips and that's despite them feeling a lot less natural than nollie flips at first. Learning switch flips you can easily flip the switch of your logic off for a bit and pretend you're just trying to kickflip in your natural stance, the same rules as kickflips apply so if you can do those you know how to switch flip and just need to focus on what you're doing wrong like it's today's flaw on your normal kickflips. Just forget you're trying it switch and fix everything like you would in your natural sense until you fine-tune the technique and develop the dexterity. Then once you have switch flips down, nollie flips become a given.
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Also for those struggling with 360 flips, yesterday at the park I taught two kids how to land their first ones, they had that typical problem of being hunched over the nose so the board would stay behind them. By breaking down the correct posture and alignment for them I realized a good indicator that I've always subconsciously used but never really defined that helped them get their landings instantly, basically before you pop you need to be sitting just as far back (and with a straight back) as so that the knee on your front leg is past your face. Looking straight down your face and vision should be focused on your thigh and nothing past your knee. If you're seeing anything past your knee then the board probably won't go in front of you because you're too hunched over. That fixes your position in a way so that your center of gravity is properly adjusted to the motions of the trick and you can basically just sit through the execution as the board stays under you while flipping (as long as you don't do anything funny with your shoulders and keep them square). I guess the same stands for impossibles as well although I've always just done the latter without overthinking its execution nearly as much.
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^Im absolutely going to try that, as I’ve got that problem too. Basically I’ve got every problem possible with every single trick, haha. I’m honestly starting to wonder if I’ll ever go pro at this rate. 😑
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No you've got that easy too, people have even made tutorials:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D8JWVzjkBk
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Alright. Nollie flips. I’ve got this mental block where my back foot has to go straight to the ground when I flip it.
The flip itself is fine, pop is fine. I can keep it under me, catch it with my front foot, but my back foot doesn’t know what to do after it flips, so it just instinctively goes to the ground.
I need some help ya’ll. Tired of looking dumb every time I try these.
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does anyone have tips for fs tailslides? I can jump into them kinda okay but after a mean slip out to back smack on a curb I am afraid to really commit to them.
When I feel like I'm sliding out on a front tail my natural instinct is to ollie to fakie. I feel like I flinched and did that once and my body just does it on it's own now. I've rarely done a front tail to fakie on purpose..
What out for crazy waxed ledges?
Don't jam your tail in too hard? Shifty and set it on the curb/ledge.
Don't push your board to far in front of you and do a stiff legged, lock-kneed slide. Don't want your back leg super stiff or straight.
Stand on top of it a lil with you're knees slightly bent so you can push it, or ease off or ollie out when it's too slidey.
Thanks mate. I will try it with a big board on a curb first.
No problem. Like I said, I really think it's all in your head. We've all been there...
Forgot to mention what I do to progress up to a real tailslide.. the 80's "tailslide"..
Ya know. Ollie 90 to fs tail stall, maybe slide 1-2", and then kickturn of.
I visualize "Streets on Fire" but I might be thinking of the wrong vid.
I should get on this myself.. I can bluntslide a parking block so my leg should be able to take the weight of a tailslide. Headtrips.. mindfucks..
Nollie flips.. switch flips..
Most common mistake I've seen is leaning over instead of squating down. Don't bend at the waist to look at your feet..
I was guilty of it but when I corrected it I could pop, flick, catch. Finally..
Don't mob them by pushing down with your toe like the big pant small wheel era. That's tough to unlearn..
I think switch flip, then nollie flip, is easier to learn.
Yep. Think of doing a kickflip opposite footed. Flick of the tail just like you'd flick of the nose. Push that thing down, steez it, catch it, stomp it..
Nollie flips I think I'd point my toe a lil more towards my tail. It's been years..
If they're going backside shifty that's great. Extra steez
Maybe try switch or nollie one-footers? That'll give you some muscle memory for holding your foot over your tail.
How about impossibles?
I could do the 3shuv thing but it's not an impossible to me.
When I try to wrap em it's just a whiffed half flip or my board goes flying, usually after bouncing of my knee.
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^Im absolutely going to try that, as I’ve got that problem too. Basically I’ve got every problem possible with every single trick, haha. I’m honestly starting to wonder if I’ll ever go pro at this rate. 😑
On a more serious note though, you're already good enough on a skateboard to do whatever you realistically envision yourself doing and then a lot more. Everyone is. I believe that a lot of what makes the difference in people's technical progression is self-confidence (not believing that you can actually do something blocks you from even really trying, which in turns comforts you into the delusion that you can't do it, etc., whereas perceiving a movement as something natural and simple helps you get there instinctively, similarly to learning a language when directly immersed into a foreign environment), and a basic understanding of some rudimentary physics as well as their own anatomy, essentially studying posture (from your favorite skaters' footage, etc.) without neglecting a single part of your body as well as the shape and reactions of the skateboard as a simple object to manipulate - understanding the pressure points, mentally breaking down your griptape side into a grid and whatnot. Once you've understood the basic physical principles, the only limitation is yourself, comprising the ones of your own body. At that stage if you still struggle with a certain trick due to seemingly being unable to do a specific motion, then at least by you're basically aware of exactly what it is you're doing wrong (and essentially too lazy or comfortable anyway to train hard enough to fix it). The reality is skateboarding is only as difficult for a person as they believe it is, and make it out to be.
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Also for those struggling with 360 flips, yesterday at the park I taught two kids how to land their first ones, they had that typical problem of being hunched over the nose so the board would stay behind them. By breaking down the correct posture and alignment for them I realized a good indicator that I've always subconsciously used but never really defined that helped them get their landings instantly, basically before you pop you need to be sitting just as far back (and with a straight back) as so that the knee on your front leg is past your face. Looking straight down your face and vision should be focused on your thigh and nothing past your knee. If you're seeing anything past your knee then the board probably won't go in front of you because you're too hunched over. That fixes your position in a way so that your center of gravity is properly adjusted to the motions of the trick and you can basically just sit through the execution as the board stays under you while flipping (as long as you don't do anything funny with your shoulders and keep them square). I guess the same stands for impossibles as well although I've always just done the latter without overthinking its execution nearly as much.
Thanks for the detailed breakdown! Is there anyway you can do a diagram of the knee / thigh positioning?
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^ I've tried and failed at making one that would be explicit enough in regards of what I'm trying to say due to just waking up and being non-caffeinated yet, but I'll try again later or maybe film a quick one for you especially demonstrating the posture/technique once the weather dries up, it's supposed to keep raining for two weeks here though. But really if you just look at most 360 flip sequences, especially the ones seen from the profile with that idea in mind it should be pretty obvious the difference one's posture makes. The further back you stand all the while keeping a straight back (the sweet spot seeming to be around what I described), the easier it is to throw the trick in front of you and keep it under your feet essentially (of course with control on the pop / scoop so that you don't send the board flying either). Also before I pop I usually find myself staring in the axis of the toe-side of my nose and imagine that I have to pop in a way that sends the tail diagonally through the current axis of the four front bolts, before locking my shoulders and hips square in that position and only then I pop.
How about impossibles?
I could do the 3shuv thing but it's not an impossible to me.
When I try to wrap em it's just a whiffed half flip or my board goes flying, usually after bouncing of my knee.
Slam that tail straight down, not off the side like you would for shove-it based tricks. You're supposed to build up tension around the front of the board like you would for a no-comply trick then you take your front foot off to suddenly release it except you don't slide it off and down, you do it by jumping and lifting your front leg straight up (the calf is what's at work, front foot stays dead, no flick etc.). Now as you've popped you keep your back leg and foot extended for a split second and try to scrape your tail forwards and through where your front wheels originally were. Weight should be over your (extended) back leg the whole time during that trick, you could basically choose to land and ride away on just one foot if you wanted to. You're then supposed to complete the rotation by sucking your back leg up to guide the board around as soon as you feel it start to wrap around the top of your foot, if you're feeling it off the side of your foot you're doing it wrong and still thinking too much in terms of a horizontal translation, when you want that board to spring straight up.
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backside bigspin. i never keep rolling afterwards... just awkwardly lean to one side and fall off most of the time. they don't even look that good anyway i'm not even mad.
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^ I've tried and failed at making one that would be explicit enough in regards of what I'm trying to say due to just waking up and being non-caffeinated yet, but I'll try again later or maybe film a quick one for you especially demonstrating the posture/technique once the weather dries up, it's supposed to keep raining for two weeks here though. But really if you just look at most 360 flip sequences, especially the ones seen from the profile with that idea in mind it should be pretty obvious the difference one's posture makes. The further back you stand all the while keeping a straight back (the sweet spot seeming to be around what I described), the easier it is to throw the trick in front of you and keep it under your feet essentially (of course with control on the pop / scoop so that you don't send the board flying either). Also before I pop I usually find myself staring in the axis of the toe-side of my nose and imagine that I have to pop in a way that sends the tail diagonally through the current axis of the four front bolts, before locking my shoulders and hips square in that position and only then I pop.
Thanks man, sorry if I sounded rude in my post. Was nursing a hangover. There was only 1 day in my entire life I had them down, some old pro told me to keep my shoulder parallel with my board and make sure I was rolling straight. The ground was tiled, so that helped with checking I was rolling straight. I can do them fakie occasionally but the situation has to be right - smooth ground, fresh board.
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On a more serious note though, you're already good enough on a skateboard to do whatever you realistically envision yourself doing and then a lot more. Everyone is. I believe that a lot of what makes the difference in people's technical progression is self-confidence (not believing that you can actually do something blocks you from even really trying, which in turns comforts you into the delusion that you can't do it, etc., whereas perceiving a movement as something natural and simple helps you get there instinctively, similarly to learning a language when directly immersed into a foreign environment), and a basic understanding of some rudimentary physics as well as their own anatomy, essentially studying posture (from your favorite skaters' footage, etc.) without neglecting a single part of your body as well as the shape and reactions of the skateboard as a simple object to manipulate - understanding the pressure points, mentally breaking down your griptape side into a grid and whatnot. Once you've understood the basic physical principles, the only limitation is yourself, comprising the ones of your own body. At that stage if you still struggle with a certain trick due to seemingly being unable to do a specific motion, then at least by you're basically aware of exactly what it is you're doing wrong (and essentially too lazy or comfortable anyway to train hard enough to fix it). The reality is skateboarding is only as difficult for a person as they believe it is, and make it out to be.
Truth, the mental element of trying a trick is probably the biggest hurdle to learning new tricks. Conceptually you know how the trick works, you got to get over the mental barrier of just trying the trick so you can figure out the nuance of it. That's why it's important to skate with people who can push you and new people occasionally, seeing someone of your level try a new trick lets you see "hey I could do that shit!" and you start banging away at it.
That aside, help with FS Crooks? Landed my first one last week, think I was a fluke and didn't land any in today's session. For BS Crooks I tend to put my front foot pretty far back, a good bit behind the front bolts. I feel like that position help me get a high enough and a good pinch. Is it the same with the FS version? The few times I tried putting my front foot further forward over the bolts I landed up in noseslide.
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does anyone have tips for fs tailslides? I can jump into them kinda okay but after a mean slip out to back smack on a curb I am afraid to really commit to them.
When I feel like I'm sliding out on a front tail my natural instinct is to ollie to fakie. I feel like I flinched and did that once and my body just does it on it's own now. I've rarely done a front tail to fakie on purpose..
What out for crazy waxed ledges?
Don't jam your tail in too hard? Shifty and set it on the curb/ledge.
Don't push your board to far in front of you and do a stiff legged, lock-kneed slide. Don't want your back leg super stiff or straight.
Stand on top of it a lil with you're knees slightly bent so you can push it, or ease off or ollie out when it's too slidey.
Thanks mate. I will try it with a big board on a curb first.
Forgot to mention what I do to progress up to a real tailslide.. the 80's "tailslide"..
Ya know. Ollie 90 to fs tail stall, maybe slide 1-2", and then kickturn of.
I visualize "Streets on Fire" but I might be thinking of the wrong vid.
I should get on this myself.. I can bluntslide a parking block so my leg should be able to take the weight of a tailslide. Headtrips.. mindfucks..
Nollie flips.. switch flips..
Most common mistake I've seen is leaning over instead of squating down. Don't bend at the waist to look at your feet..
I was guilty of it but when I corrected it I could pop, flick, catch. Finally..
Don't mob them by pushing down with your toe like the big pant small wheel era. That's tough to unlearn..
I think switch flip, then nollie flip, is easier to learn.
Yep. Think of doing a kickflip opposite footed. Flick of the tail just like you'd flick of the nose. Push that thing down, steez it, catch it, stomp it..
Nollie flips I think I'd point my toe a lil more towards my tail. It's been years..
If they're going backside shifty that's great. Extra steez
Maybe try switch or nollie one-footers? That'll give you some muscle memory for holding your foot over your tail.
How about impossibles?
I could do the 3shuv thing but it's not an impossible to me.
When I try to wrap em it's just a whiffed half flip or my board goes flying, usually after bouncing of my knee.
That is exactly what I've been done today. ^^
I think I seen those in an old powell video. Possibly ban this.
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Need help getting locked into FS Crooks, I fluked into 1 last week with the perfect pinch. Haven't been able to come close to another one since.
1) Like a BS Crook should I be riding really parallel to the ledge?
2) How do I avoid sticking and keep the pinch going on the grind?
3) Should I be popping slightly higher than the ledge and locking my truck on the top of the ledge instead of aiming to lock onto the side?
I can't keep the lock, ending up in 50-50, or in FS nose.
Thanks everyone.
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All I can contribute is beware of the overshoot. I've given my back a good raking over the years with this one.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZc4hwXFN9o
I refused to give Braille any clicks, this guy does a great breakdown of 360 flips. He doesn't cover the back and head position as much but I found his emphasis on the back foot position: way off to the back of the tail helpful. One of the better trick tip guys I feel.
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Need help getting locked into FS Crooks, I fluked into 1 last week with the perfect pinch. Haven't been able to come close to another one since.
1) Like a BS Crook should I be riding really parallel to the ledge?
2) How do I avoid sticking and keep the pinch going on the grind?
3) Should I be popping slightly higher than the ledge and locking my truck on the top of the ledge instead of aiming to lock onto the side?
I can't keep the lock, ending up in 50-50, or in FS nose.
Thanks everyone.
https://youtu.be/xbWgIHcEaa0?t=3693
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Switch backtail. Never get any better at them
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Need help getting locked into FS Crooks, I fluked into 1 last week with the perfect pinch. Haven't been able to come close to another one since.
1) Like a BS Crook should I be riding really parallel to the ledge?
2) How do I avoid sticking and keep the pinch going on the grind?
3) Should I be popping slightly higher than the ledge and locking my truck on the top of the ledge instead of aiming to lock onto the side?
I can't keep the lock, ending up in 50-50, or in FS nose.
Thanks everyone.
https://youtu.be/xbWgIHcEaa0?t=3693
Practicing the stall on a ledge definitely helped. A regular at the park noticed I was riding pretty far away from the ledge and going in at a sharp angle. He told me to ride really parallel to the ledge almost like a 50-50, pop high enough to land just on top of the ledge and use the the back foot to help with the tweak. I find a lot of the trick is going in with speed and commitment to pressure your truck down hard on the ledge to keep the lock. Having wobbly loose trucks also helped with the pinch.
Stoked to learn the secret to them.
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The only time fs crooks have worked for me is going fast and fully committing, they don't seem to work like other grinds where you can "see" if you get into one and then go with it, you gotta fully get that weight on the ball of your front foot
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The only time fs crooks have worked for me is going fast and fully committing, they don't seem to work like other grinds where you can "see" if you get into one and then go with it, you gotta fully get that weight on the ball of your front foot
Ride up really parallel, pop up high enough, pressure down on the nose and use the back foot to tweak out the grind. 80% of body weight on the front foot, 20% on the back foot to keep the angle of the grind locked in.
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I just cant seem to land bs. nor fs crooks. Board just heelflips out.
I can bs and fs nosegrind, so it doesnt make any sens to me...
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I just cant seem to land bs. nor fs crooks. Board just heelflips out.
I can bs and fs nosegrind, so it doesnt make any sens to me...
For me I can’t get out regs on bs but front side I can.
If someone can give me the tip to just pop out on bs crooks I would be pumped
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If you can pop out of backside nosegrind you should be able to pop out of backside k grind. If the board flips then you're probably not sitting atop of that front truck correctly, your whole weight should be distributed over the top of the ledge during the grind and not even slightly off to its side. Then at the end you just kind of nudge it forward like a pop out of nosewheelie/nosegrind. The pinch shouldn't be in control of the board and the back foot should play the role of keeping it flat.
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If you can pop out of backside nosegrind you should be able to pop out of backside k grind. If the board flips then you're probably not sitting atop of that front truck correctly, your whole weight should be distributed over the top of the ledge during the grind and not even slightly off to its side. Then at the end you just kind of nudge it forward like a pop out of nosewheelie/nosegrind. The pinch shouldn't be in control of the board and the back foot should play the role of keeping it flat.
Wish I would have seen this before my session today. I’m going to screenshot this and work on it next time. I think I might be putting a bit too much weight on my front foot when I do it
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Or maybe you have the parasite reflex to try and kick the board off the ledge as you try and pop out (hypothetical but many people do), having your weight distributed over the front foot shouldn't a problem at all (in fact that's how the trick works, some people even do one-footed crooked grinds like this) as long as you're positioned over the edge of the ledge and not off the side like you would be for a weird nose slide. You must be sitting on top (think heel-side front wheel for b/s k) and then the nollie pop out is a kind of chinese nollie motion, you just thrust forward in a way that's not too dissimilar to how you do it on a wallride nollie out, or a little backside nollie on transition (for backside k), I don't know how to really explain it. Once you've mastered just that little tech you can crook bonk pretty much everything you can get your front truck over. Front foot jams the truck down during the grind, guides the board forward and out on the dismount, and back foot just lays there and keeps it in control even at that stage.
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Or maybe you have the parasite reflex to try and kick the board off the ledge as you try and pop out (hypothetical but many people do), having your weight distributed over the front foot shouldn't a problem at all (in fact that's how the trick works, some people even do one-footed crooked grinds like this) as long as you're positioned over the edge of the ledge and not off the side like you would be for a weird nose slide. You must be sitting on top (think heel-side front wheel for b/s k) and then the nollie pop out is a kind of chinese nollie motion, you just thrust forward in a way that's not too dissimilar to how you do it on a wallride nollie out, or a little backside nollie on transition (for backside k), I don't know how to really explain it. Once you've mastered just that little tech you can crook bonk pretty much everything you can get your front truck over. Front foot jams the truck down during the grind, guides the board forward and out on the dismount, and back foot just lays there and keeps it in control even at that stage.
I can sit on them pretty well but my brain just kinda freezes up not taking it to fakie. That Chinese nollie tip is actually kinda making sense when I think about it. I’ll give it a shot next time
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Or maybe you have the parasite reflex to try and kick the board off the ledge as you try and pop out (hypothetical but many people do), having your weight distributed over the front foot shouldn't a problem at all (in fact that's how the trick works, some people even do one-footed crooked grinds like this) as long as you're positioned over the edge of the ledge and not off the side like you would be for a weird nose slide. You must be sitting on top (think heel-side front wheel for b/s k) and then the nollie pop out is a kind of chinese nollie motion, you just thrust forward in a way that's not too dissimilar to how you do it on a wallride nollie out, or a little backside nollie on transition (for backside k), I don't know how to really explain it. Once you've mastered just that little tech you can crook bonk pretty much everything you can get your front truck over. Front foot jams the truck down during the grind, guides the board forward and out on the dismount, and back foot just lays there and keeps it in control even at that stage.
I would add that going with enough speed helps to mitigate having a shit exit, the momentum just carries you off the edge of the ledge and the popping motion become an after thought. It really is one of those tricks that gets easier the faster you go.
One thing I've found helpful is not to think of crooked grinds as a noseslide, you have to get some pop and height (but not too high) above the ledge before sticking your truck down. Doing so ensures you're riding on top of your truck and not doing a shitty noseslide. I found this to be helpful especially when doing FS crooked grinds: if I don't remind myself to pop into the ledge I end up doing a FS noseslide or just stick with zero grind.
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My 2¢ for getting out of bs crooks: Treat the dismount like a nosebonk. When you push your front foot forward to get out just take a little bit of weight off it for a split sec and pull it back a bit and if you land with your weight centered you'll be fine. Like everyone else said, speed helps a lot with the added bonus of feeling really cool when you land because you're a good fucking skaterboarder. Godspeed.
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I can sit on them pretty well but my brain just kinda freezes up not taking it to fakie. That Chinese nollie tip is actually kinda making sense when I think about it. I’ll give it a shot next time
If you can sit on them pretty well then you're pretty much golden, it's the part of the trick that's the hardest to figure out in my opinion (because a lot of people won't dare locking into then sitting on the trick straight away, and the lack of commitment will result in those weird noseslide things with the truck sometimes off, sometimes on that I was bringing up). If you can sit on them it means you've figured out (or are figuring out) the right axis for your shoulders and lower body during the grind already, the typical beginner's mistake is to approach the trick too diagonally and then keeping turning with it like it's a ledge-assisted frontside 180.
About not reverting to fakie now that makes sense, I never had that problem regs but I had it on switch k for years, I was so used to sw noseslide to regs I could never not pivot out of switch k until one day I said fuck it, did a bunch of sw noseslides back to switch on a box to figure out the timing and then sw dismount out of sw k insta clicked. Basically all you need to change is the position of those shoulders during the grind and their action on the dismount, keep them semi squared and facing in the direction of the roll away, your front arm should always remain your leading arm and then you just give the front truck that nudge. Anyway, you sound like you'll get them real quick at the stage you're at.
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Proper railed fs smiths on a mini.
I end up dipping the board, but not resting a rail on the coping. I think it has some to do with the fact that I turn my upper body too much into them, I think I need to chill and keep my shoulders parallel to the coping more, but 25-year old habits are hard to break.
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Anyone got tips for nollie crooks? It’s my favorite/least favorite trick. I can do them really well some days and others I struggle to pop and get the board up. I feel pretty good at them but for whatever reason can’t get them as consistent as I’d like. Especially on taller ledges (higher than 14in or so)
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Everything involving a nollie is not a basic ass trick ^^
Just kidding, I love this thread. Anyone has tips for crooks/nollie crooks?
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Was this the thread with impossibles?
I'm getting mine to wrap pretty well, the tension thing really helped, but sometimes I'm coming up 5-10 degrees short. With my goofy foot placement it's tough to carve/pivot out so I end up doing lotsa duck walks or unintentional nosedrive late-180 thingies.
I think part of the problem is when I setup I'm turning my shoulders frontside to look down at my feet. Instead of being parallel to my board my shoulders are cocked 60* frontside and my body/torso is twisted.
If I line my body up better it feels like my board is gonna blast me in the back knee..
I think I've got my foot placement correct (it's pretty pressure flippy) but the tweaked shoulders thing is a mindfuck for me.
Any suggestions?
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On regular ollie impossibles my upper body just faces the direction I'm going the whole time (maybe at a slight angle, but that's how it feels like when I do them). The trick has literally no influence on my shoulders at all and it's really not supposed to have any on yours, it really doesn't work like a 360 flip for instance where more factors are at play, and your upper body plays some kind of role in the control. On impossibles if you basically just stand straight (don't lean over the nose), just look past your nose and try to imagine scraping your tail through that zone it shouldn't really matter what you do with your shoulders, just keep them in place.
On switch ones I do have a more typical switch 360 flip kind of shoulder placement but I think that's because I learned nollie (front foot) impossibles first so I was always used to that kind of positioning and momentum. As long as you only let your lower body do the work and don't twitch out of the way, you should be fine.
Basically you just need to forget everything you know about shove-it based tricks and flip tricks for proper impossibles as they rely on a completely different technique and shape, I would say the trick functions more like a catapult (best analogy I could improvise here). The technique is similar to pressure flips indeed but in reality that doesn't necessarily have to translate over to your foot positioning and perception of the trick because you don't actually want the board to start flipping like a pressure flip, you just want to invert it upside down over your back foot and then lift that back foot up. There's some big toe action, but it doesn't have to be some funky mathematics over specific pressure points on the board, my popping foot goes across and covers my whole tail (or nose) regardless of my style in each stance. The maneuver itself is actually very rudimentary and involves less of your body than you think, in a way it's a really lazy trick (on flat and banks at least). In general the people who struggle with it are really fighting against their own understanding (or lack thereof) of the trick because it's different from the 'modern' flip tricks most are used to, but the less they overthink it the better.
As much as shoulder positioning shouldn't affect the trick too much, you do have to keep them in place though (to avoid parasite movement). But besides that you don't really need to think about them at all and should just sit over that back leg then release the pressure all the while keeping in your line.
Once you've got them down, you can actually use how minimal the shoulder movement needs to be on the basic variation to your advantage for impossible reverts or body varials both ways (the frontside body varial ones are super gross, but impossible reverts can look sick). Easier than it sounds and getting impossible reverts from miscalculating your weight distribution or upper body reflexes on impossibles is actually very natural. Better looking and feeling than shitty 360 flip reverts for sure because then the revert just flows out of the first trick instead of breaking it (if that makes sense).
If none of this works, make sure to try a few fakie ones. You'll surprise yourself with how natural the motion is with the fakie momentum.
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How do you do backside slappies properly? When I do them its usually either a backside 5-0 slappy and then I put my front truck down or I do something like a slappy crook and put my back truck down.... on really low curbs I can do proper ones but I don't really think about it it just happens, but doesn't translate to normal curbs.
My slappy game is pretty weak, never got into it until very recently where I've been trying to figure it out. I can front 5050, crook, and do questionable back 5050s, back 5-0s, back blunts, and fs nosegrind if I'm very lucky...
Any tips on switch slappy crooks (both ways) are also appreciated, I find it very awkward to de-weight myself going switch/fakie, and if I'm able to get my truck on its barely for a split second and I jump off like its almost bouncing me off. I can sit on switch crooks on ledges alright so its just a matter of getting into it and holding it a little bit and then I'll be chilling.
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do inward heels count as a basic ass trick? Even when i do a good one i feel unsatisfied
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How do you do backside slappies properly? When I do them its usually either a backside 5-0 slappy and then I put my front truck down or I do something like a slappy crook and put my back truck down.... on really low curbs I can do proper ones but I don't really think about it it just happens, but doesn't translate to normal curbs.
My slappy game is pretty weak, never got into it until very recently where I've been trying to figure it out. I can front 5050, crook, and do questionable back 5050s, back 5-0s, back blunts, and fs nosegrind if I'm very lucky...
Any tips on switch slappy crooks (both ways) are also appreciated, I find it very awkward to de-weight myself going switch/fakie, and if I'm able to get my truck on its barely for a split second and I jump off like its almost bouncing me off. I can sit on switch crooks on ledges alright so its just a matter of getting into it and holding it a little bit and then I'll be chilling.
There is a slappy thread already, but to review
Everyone says you slam the board into the curb while carving, but this is half false. You have to lighten the board to allow it to bump on top of the curb, both fs and bs.
So you come if between 60-45 degrees to the curb, carving in. As you hit the front truck, lighten your front foot and then the back foot as the rear trucks get on. If you don’t carve hard enough with your hips and shoulders, the back trucks won’t get on.
Your shoulders should be kinda parallel to the curb as well, not ‘open’, facing down the curb.
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reading you guys explain these stupid tricks in such detail makes me so goddamn wet not gonna lie
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How do you do backside slappies properly? When I do them its usually either a backside 5-0 slappy and then I put my front truck down or I do something like a slappy crook and put my back truck down.... on really low curbs I can do proper ones but I don't really think about it it just happens, but doesn't translate to normal curbs.
My slappy game is pretty weak, never got into it until very recently where I've been trying to figure it out. I can front 5050, crook, and do questionable back 5050s, back 5-0s, back blunts, and fs nosegrind if I'm very lucky...
Any tips on switch slappy crooks (both ways) are also appreciated, I find it very awkward to de-weight myself going switch/fakie, and if I'm able to get my truck on its barely for a split second and I jump off like its almost bouncing me off. I can sit on switch crooks on ledges alright so its just a matter of getting into it and holding it a little bit and then I'll be chilling.
There is a slappy thread already, but to review
Everyone says you slam the board into the curb while carving, but this is half false. You have to lighten the board to allow it to bump on top of the curb, both fs and bs.
So you come if between 60-45 degrees to the curb, carving in. As you hit the front truck, lighten your front foot and then the back foot as the rear trucks get on. If you don’t carve hard enough with your hips and shoulders, the back trucks won’t get on.
Your shoulders should be kinda parallel to the curb as well, not ‘open’, facing down the curb.
Thanks, I might not be putting the weight on my toes and then lightening and carving enough
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Tre flips
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Backside heelflips.
Can’t even get close to flipping it right. Switch is no problem.
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Shuvs atm
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frontside bigspin.
The board always flips. regs and switch.
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Nollie backside bigspins
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Nollie backside bigspins
I am still working on this one to be on lock but what helped me a lot is getting a very clean nollie back and an okay nollie 360 front shov.
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Wallride please
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Goddamn front tails.. It takes me so many tries to get one to slide, meanwhile i can back tail pretty consistently an even kickflip back tail if I put in enough attempts. Idk why i can just rarely get them to slide well
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I for some reason can’t comprehend the pole jam. I know I’m thinking about it too much but it would be a cool one to have in the bag
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Any tips on nollie bs tricks like noseslides and 5050? I can do all the basic tricks frontside but backside feels just so unnatural. Only nollie/switch backside trick i can do is switch crooks to regs and lets be honest, thats not really a trick.
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Any tips on nollie bs tricks like noseslides and 5050? I can do all the basic tricks frontside but backside feels just so unnatural. Only nollie/switch backside trick i can do is switch crooks to regs and lets be honest, thats not really a trick.
Can't really help you on the nollie backside shit because I'm the same, like I can float over the ledge on nollie nose slides easily but then I have a hard time committing to locking in because I feel like the ledge is just going to catch my ankle or something whereas I don't get that with nollie front nose. It's a lot less scary on low shit like curbs though so maybe you could start there then work it up. But sw k is actually a really cool trick and it's easy to learn it back to fakie once you can do the basic ones back to reg, just do a few sw noseslides to figure it out and then nollie 180 sw k becomes stupid accessible, that's another good one and somehow looks cool when in reality it's really just an extended nollie tail (super convenient one for older dudes trying to fake skills).
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Any tips on nollie bs tricks like noseslides and 5050? I can do all the basic tricks frontside but backside feels just so unnatural. Only nollie/switch backside trick i can do is switch crooks to regs and lets be honest, thats not really a trick.
Can't really help you on the nollie backside shit because I'm the same, like I can float over the ledge on nollie nose slides easily but then I have a hard time committing to locking in because I feel like the ledge is just going to catch my ankle or something whereas I don't get that with nollie front nose. It's a lot less scary on low shit like curbs though so maybe you could start there then work it up. But sw k is actually a really cool trick and it's easy to learn it back to fakie once you can do the basic ones back to reg, just do a few sw noseslides to figure it out and then nollie 180 sw k becomes stupid accessible, that's another good one and somehow looks cool when in reality it's really just an extended nollie tail (super convenient one for older dudes trying to fake skills).
Maybe i have to accept that i can only do backside on reg and frontside on switch. Would be so cool just to have switch bs 5050 on lock.
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Switch Flip is the one trick I want on lock so bad but struggle with. I've done them before but don't have the discipline to practice them over and over because they feel so unnatural and difficult to flick
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Switch Flip is the one trick I want on lock so bad but struggle with. I've done them before but don't have the discipline to practice them over and over because they feel so unnatural and difficult to flick
How is your nollie flip?
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Switch flip is one of my favorite tricks and they also took me forever to click but I'm so happy they did. The best advice that helped me is also the most obvious, just pretend you're doing a regular kickflip and don't even think of the difference in foot placement. Just legit trick your brain into thinking that's your normal stance and that you should be able to do a kickflip because you know how those work. This way you'll start looking at your switch flip attempts as regular kickflips that you keep fucking up and fix your motion with a clearer idea of what it is you're doing wrong. You won't just realize that you need to work on your flick a certain way but you'll also identify exactly what's wrong a lot more clearly. Maybe you'll better visualize that your stance is different from how it really should be. Should be common sense, but in reality most people overthink switch flips when it's the exact same thing as they're already familiar with in the opposite stance.
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Switch flip is one of my favorite tricks and they also took me forever to click but I'm so happy they did. The best advice that helped me is also the most obvious, just pretend you're doing a regular kickflip and don't even think of the difference in foot placement. Just legit trick your brain into thinking that's your normal stance and that you should be able to do a kickflip because you know how those work. This way you'll start looking at your switch flip attempts as regular kickflips that you keep fucking up and fix your motion with a clearer idea of what it is you're doing wrong. You won't just realize that you need to work on your flick a certain way but you'll also identify exactly what's wrong a lot more clearly. Maybe you'll better visualize that your stance is different from how it really should be. Should be common sense, but in reality most people overthink switch flips when it's the exact same thing as they're already familiar with in the opposite stance.
I do this a lot like get in my head about a trick being switch or nollie and make it out like it’s harder than it is. Switch flip/nollie flip is my favorite flip trick and really the only ones I have consistent.
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Switch flip is one of my favorite tricks and they also took me forever to click but I'm so happy they did. The best advice that helped me is also the most obvious, just pretend you're doing a regular kickflip and don't even think of the difference in foot placement. Just legit trick your brain into thinking that's your normal stance and that you should be able to do a kickflip because you know how those work. This way you'll start looking at your switch flip attempts as regular kickflips that you keep fucking up and fix your motion with a clearer idea of what it is you're doing wrong. You won't just realize that you need to work on your flick a certain way but you'll also identify exactly what's wrong a lot more clearly. Maybe you'll better visualize that your stance is different from how it really should be. Should be common sense, but in reality most people overthink switch flips when it's the exact same thing as they're already familiar with in the opposite stance.
Do you attempt to mirror your regular stance then or is your switch stance different? Trying to envision a normal kickflip makes a lot of sense I haven't really tried that because I imagined it being very different
and to answer lazieyez i've come semi close but haven't landed a nollie flip before
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Do you attempt to mirror your regular stance then or is your switch stance different? Trying to envision a normal kickflip makes a lot of sense I haven't really tried that because I imagined it being very different
I wouldn't even consciously think in those terms, I would just take the position and decide I'd want to kickflip, and from then on it was easy to pick up because I was familiar with kickflips enough that I already knew all the stages. I had decent kickflips long before I started getting switch ones so trying to mimick the exact same thing was out of question, I wasn't looking for amplitude yet, I was just trying to successfully flip and catch the board after deciding that the foot positioning wasn't going to get in the way of me flipping and catching the board like I 'already knew' how to do.
It's been years now and eventually, thinking about it I'm realizing that my switch flips don't feel like my normal kickflips at all, they feel a lot more comfortable actually like it's easier to just sit over them and watch them happen, where as normal kickflips I'm always tempted to overdo the amplitude (so I miss more of them).
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Do you attempt to mirror your regular stance then or is your switch stance different? Trying to envision a normal kickflip makes a lot of sense I haven't really tried that because I imagined it being very different
I wouldn't even consciously think in those terms, I would just take the position and decide I'd want to kickflip, and from then on it was easy to pick up because I was familiar with kickflips enough that I already knew all the stages. I had decent kickflips long before I started getting switch ones so trying to mimick the exact same thing was out of question, I wasn't looking for amplitude yet, I was just trying to successfully flip and catch the board after deciding that the foot positioning wasn't going to get in the way of me flipping and catching the board like I 'already knew' how to do.
It's been years now and eventually, thinking about it I'm realizing that my switch flips don't feel like my normal kickflips at all, they feel a lot more comfortable actually like it's easier to just sit over them and watch them happen, where as normal kickflips I'm always tempted to overdo the amplitude (so I miss more of them).
I appreciate the feedback a ton, I'm going to grind some out tonight and work on them with the mindset you mentioned. I was imagining trying to replicate my regular stance. Hopefully I can report back with a better handle on them
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Any tips for spreading your feet out and getting the back foot back on for tre flips? Getting the scoop and board rotation every time but my feet are either too close together when I land or the back foot comes off and forward a little bit. Trying to keep my shoulders square to prevent the back foot from coming forward.
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I can’t nollie crook. It’s a bummer because I think that’s one of the more stylish line tricks. I can nollie fs nosegrind. But nollie bs up something makes no sense. Please no tips me just venting and being sad.
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Oh fucking god just stop!
The absolute ultimate assknife trick in existence! I used to have these on lock until "the incident". I was just the right height at the time where I got stabbed a solid inch deep in the taint, and no doubt I was left bloody and violated.
Nowadays when I try them I just automatically turn backside (no pun intended).
What's funny is I learned heelflips before kickflips... But I learned fakie heels before regular heels... The board just floats to my feet man, I'm sorry you have such a rough time :(
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Since this quarantine has me mostly stuck to flatground I've been purposely doing a lot of switch ollies and nollies in hopes that maybe switch/nollie flips will just click but that has not been the case. Almost think I'd have a better chance doing a switch fs flip than a switch flip.
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Gave up on flip tricks and basic b/s tricks. This quarantine has seen me skating my backyard like when I started and trying to actually learn new tricks (flip and b/s basics) and get more pop back. Barely getting shuvits back, I had them randomly and then they disappeared and never came back.
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Basic heel flips - some days I’m all over it but some I can’t land a single flip. Any suggestions for front foot positioning?
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Since this quarantine has me mostly stuck to flatground I've been purposely doing a lot of switch ollies and nollies in hopes that maybe switch/nollie flips will just click but that has not been the case. Almost think I'd have a better chance doing a switch fs flip than a switch flip.
Switch frontside flip is low-key easier than switch flip. It's the exact same thing except with open shoulders as opposed to parallel, if you're short on pop the revert just happens and you roll away regs which most people find natural. Pretty sure switch frontside flips actually helped me a shit ton with consistency on switch flips now that I think about it.
Doing more nollies and switch ollies in general is good practice for stability over the trick but won't help if your flick is the problem.
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Basic heel flips - some days I’m all over it but some I can’t land a single flip. Any suggestions for front foot positioning?
dont hang your toes off so much. stand basicially like an ollie and throw your foot off.
I struggled with these for years but i was trying to do a HEEL flip when in actuallity its a 'side of of your shoe' flip
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Basic heel flips - some days I’m all over it but some I can’t land a single flip. Any suggestions for front foot positioning?
dont hang your toes off so much. stand basicially like an ollie and throw your foot off.
I struggled with these for years but i was trying to do a HEEL flip when in actuallity its a 'side of of your shoe' flip
This.
Also, a lot of people have the tendency to lean over the board too much. Stay centered, and kick out. Sometimes I don't have my toes hanging off at all.
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Basic heel flips - some days I’m all over it but some I can’t land a single flip. Any suggestions for front foot positioning?
dont hang your toes off so much. stand basicially like an ollie and throw your foot off.
I struggled with these for years but i was trying to do a HEEL flip when in actuallity its a 'side of of your shoe' flip
This.
Also, a lot of people have the tendency to lean over the board too much. Stay centered, and kick out. Sometimes I don't have my toes hanging off at all.
yep, took me a while to notice the lean over thing was one of my problem
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Regular Hardflips seems that the fakie ones are easier thought. And also bs feeble and fs smiths never quite learned
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Since this quarantine has me mostly stuck to flatground I've been purposely doing a lot of switch ollies and nollies in hopes that maybe switch/nollie flips will just click but that has not been the case. Almost think I'd have a better chance doing a switch fs flip than a switch flip.
Switch frontside flip is low-key easier than switch flip. It's the exact same thing except with open shoulders as opposed to parallel, if you're short on pop the revert just happens and you roll away regs which most people find natural. Pretty sure switch frontside flips actually helped me a shit ton with consistency on switch flips now that I think about it.
Doing more nollies and switch ollies in general is good practice for stability over the trick but won't help if your flick is the problem.
The flick is definitely my problem but at this point I'm just throwin' stuff at the wall until something sticks, haha. I'm pretty rubbish at switch but the few tricks that I do have I can pop them at least moderately well.
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I’ve noticed that my heelflip tricks tend to improve the bigger the board’s nose. Just helps to have a big ass target, so it’s a little more forgiving if your aim is a little off. That’s my theory anyways.
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Since this quarantine has me mostly stuck to flatground I've been purposely doing a lot of switch ollies and nollies in hopes that maybe switch/nollie flips will just click but that has not been the case. Almost think I'd have a better chance doing a switch fs flip than a switch flip.
Switch frontside flip is low-key easier than switch flip. It's the exact same thing except with open shoulders as opposed to parallel, if you're short on pop the revert just happens and you roll away regs which most people find natural. Pretty sure switch frontside flips actually helped me a shit ton with consistency on switch flips now that I think about it.
Doing more nollies and switch ollies in general is good practice for stability over the trick but won't help if your flick is the problem.
The flick is definitely my problem but at this point I'm just throwin' stuff at the wall until something sticks, haha. I'm pretty rubbish at switch but the few tricks that I do have I can pop them at least moderately well.
try pushing your nose out in front of you as you pop, it makes the flicking foots job much easier & stops your board lagging behind you in the air. its easier to figure this motion out if your skating somewhere with slabs, when you pop, aim your nose to the next crack ahead of the one your passing as you pop. then all your back foot has to do is flick out.
this wont help much for getting them to pop high but its a good starting point to figure out the mechancs of the trick
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Nose manuals are my enemy too, well I can't ollie into them anyway.
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Impossibles. I want to learn them so bad but cannot get my brain around them.
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Impossibles. I want to learn them so bad but cannot get my brain around them.
I used to have em. Now they are pretty gross if I get one.
I learned them when I was tiny, doing the front foot off the nose of the board. That helps fling the board into a more vertical wrap, but it looks and feels disgusting due to super wide snowboarder stance.
When I was shown there was much more emphasis on the front foot being loaded up with weight, and then being ....pressed down and off of the board causing the front of the board to come up. There is no ollie. It’s all rear foot scoop. Scrape. The tail stays on the ground for awhile.
From what I’m told impossible and back threes are similar in the back foot.
Sometimes I do them fakie to try and get the more vertical wrap back
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Impossibles. I want to learn them so bad but cannot get my brain around them.
If you want them that bad, the past two pages of this thread are full of tips on those that I gave and also corroborate what Ok is saying.
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Impossibles. I want to learn them so bad but cannot get my brain around them.
How did you not make a “wrap” pun right there?
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To further react to Ok's post, I actually like the ones with the foot on the nose myself because that's just how you properly power through the trick. It does look and feel weird because then it becomes really obvious that it's not a modern trick so it'd stick out in most people's skating but personally I dig it. On the other hand, doing it from a modern type of foot positioning makes it feel like some soggy pressure flip to me.
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Impossibles. I want to learn them so bad but cannot get my brain around them.
How did you not make a “wrap” pun right there?
I suspect that he might be of the rare kind with good Internet manners.
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Impossibles. I want to learn them so bad but cannot get my brain around them.
If you want them that bad, the past two pages of this thread are full of tips on those that I gave and also corroborate what Ok is saying.
Word, see them now! Thank you.
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Impossibles. I want to learn them so bad but cannot get my brain around them.
How did you not make a “wrap” pun right there?
Because I'm not you. <3
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Impossibles. I want to learn them so bad but cannot get my brain around them.
If you want them that bad, the past two pages of this thread are full of tips on those that I gave and also corroborate what Ok is saying.
Yo, my bad, just went back thru and read your tip: that makes way more sense than what I was on about.
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Nah you were spot on, actually. Basically expressing the same mechanics I was trying to describe about the trick myself, just in a more concise manner. Popular or not, that trick has always been a fun one!
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someone help me with nollie kickflips? shit is impossible. can’t get my back foot to stay on.
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someone help me with nollie kickflips? shit is impossible. can’t get my back foot to stay on.
Shoulders parallel to the board, jump backwards like you're trying to get away from your nose (or like you're trying to nudge your nose ahead of you, which actually feels more like it) and flick out, not down. Practice nollies up stuff if nollie pop looks like it's a problem, but you don't really need pop for that trick (although it helps), just fine technique (but pop comes with that).
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someone help me with nollie kickflips? shit is impossible. can’t get my back foot to stay on.
Shoulders parallel to the board, jump backwards like you're trying to get away from your nose (or like you're trying to nudge your nose ahead of you, which actually feels more like it) and flick out, not down. Practice nollies up stuff if nollie pop looks like it's a problem, but you don't really need pop for that trick (although it helps), just fine technique (but pop comes with that).
thank you!
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someone help me with nollie kickflips? shit is impossible. can’t get my back foot to stay on.
Shoulders parallel to the board, jump backwards like you're trying to get away from your nose (or like you're trying to nudge your nose ahead of you, which actually feels more like it) and flick out, not down. Practice nollies up stuff if nollie pop looks like it's a problem, but you don't really need pop for that trick (although it helps), just fine technique (but pop comes with that).
thank you!
Good advice.
Anyone ever have a trick and then realize....maybe you didn’t really have it?
I’ve been able to do those for 20 plus years, and sometimes with some decent pop. I’ve never been into being filmed, and thankfully people don’t ask to do so. I don’t think I’ve been flicking the trick very well at all. I think it’s pretty savage pedal. I’m legit bummed.
I was trying to flick a switch flip today and all of everything switch, regular, whatever was mobbed all to fuck.
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Impossibles. (Obligatory: I used to have them so good but now I don’t blah blah)
I have the motion from muscle memory but it’s the foot placement I’m struggling with.
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Impossibles. (Obligatory: I used to have them so good but now I don’t blah blah)
I have the motion from muscle memory but it’s the foot placement I’m struggling with.
Was just doing em yesterday slightly ok. Only trick that sorta worked for the sesh.
Anyways, the way I do em most often now is to have a foot/body position really similarly to how I set up for a 360 flip, but the back foot is deeper in the pocket, and the front foot is closer to the heel side edge.
If i can quit struggling over gear I’ll go try some switch (I can’t do em switch, but it’s always funny to try and take your own trick tip advice and use it on yourself to see that you are bullshit).
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Impossibles. (Obligatory: I used to have them so good but now I don’t blah blah)
I have the motion from muscle memory but it’s the foot placement I’m struggling with.
I've noticed foot position for me depends on the board I am riding. I rode an AWS with a larger tail and had to put extra space between the back bolts and my foot. But on the FA I am riding currently my foot is close to touching the bolts because the tail is much shorter. Also I keep my foot completely straight width wise on the board. Dylan's impossible over the picnic table in the cinematographer project is a good example of the foot position.
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BS Kickflips - I can only do shitty Varial Flips and turning my body to land them, none of the big poppy ones with the sweet revert at the end. FS Flip are way easier for me.
If anyone has the secret sauce for this trick let me know
Do you have good back 180s?
Bs flips started working for me after I got very comfortable doing back 180s. The kind where you actually ollie/bring your front foot up when you do them. Now i just focus on doing a back 180 like i am used to and flick out while turning. they seem to work the easier and smoother i do them... try to pop them too much or flick too hard and they get weird. Hope that helps :-\
Anyone got the cheat codes for fs heel? I landed one once and slipped out.. never have come close again. after watching the lucas helas vid im going to try them with the front foot by the bolts like he did over the fire hydrant
My BS 180s have been getting better recently, way better than when I last stopped in 2010. The super boned out ones but I can feel the 50% front foot leading 50% back foot pivoting it.
I'll try flicking my foot straight off the nose this weekend, maybe get a little bit of back foot scoop in there too. Going to try and correct my head position, been dipping it too much for all my BS tricks.
You shouldn't really need to scoop with your back foot much, in fact too much scoop might be whats making it a bit rocket and varial-ish. Try get the rotation whilst popping straight down by a) using your shoulders and b) flicking off the nose and 'folding' the flip, this often helps the board rotate more.
If you struggle to get your body all the way around, like your body only makes it 90 degrees when your board does the full 180, I find that you can help that by looking at your back foot the whole time as that tricks your upper body to turn more and your lower body will follow a bit better.
I've heard the folding bs flip thing, do you have a clip of how that looks?
https://www.instagram.com/p/B3Cvp9SFQY_/
It's almost like a dolphin/forward flip except you turn your body with it I guess. Nowhere near as exaggerated though. If you try do this its probably not going to look anywhere near as tweaked as in this clip, but you should be shooting for that feeling. The comment above me is pretty on point too, though I would say it's not too important to try to catch at 90 and bring it around but if that helps, then by all means do that. If by folding the flick and winding up etc you can get your board and body to do the full rotation then there's no need to catch and complete the rotation.
this is especially true if youre goin for foldy ones.
theres a foldy flatland bs flip at 30s in this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF6MusFHwqc
and while we're here, you might as well watch the whole video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W_NHwKNeq4&t=2068s
easily one of the best skate vids to ever come out of Scotland. Rattray section is rad
That first line is just all around amazing.
Good example of the “folding” look of bs flips , thinking about the trick as one whole motion is what made it click for me. Not a kickflip and turning, like others have said it’s flicking off the nose and using your already turned shoulders to guide the rotation.
It’s one of my few flat ground tricks I’m actually really pleased with. Never really feel ropey or fucked up when trying or doing them.
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Impossibles. (Obligatory: I used to have them so good but now I don’t blah blah)
I have the motion from muscle memory but it’s the foot placement I’m struggling with.
I've noticed foot position for me depends on the board I am riding. I rode an AWS with a larger tail and had to put extra space between the back bolts and my foot. But on the FA I am riding currently my foot is close to touching the bolts because the tail is much shorter. Also I keep my foot completely straight width wise on the board. Dylan's impossible over the picnic table in the cinematographer project is a good example of the foot position.
Helpful. I’m riding a 917 with a super short tail so will stick closer to the bolts.
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BS Lipslides - just managed to wrap my head around getting my back foot over the ledge but consistency is my problem. What angle should I go at? Do I think of it like a BS 50-50 but over-rotate my back foot? I think I could get into the slide but the board would get too far ahead of me and I wouldn't be able to stay on top of the board and just slide.
I have a shitty curb under my apartment block, it's crusty and rough so slides and grinds are out of the question. The asphalt slopes and cracks at all thee weirdest places too. But it is decent for practicing stalls of tricks.
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Nollies up stuff. My nollie is fine but going up anything larger than a curb feels really awkard.
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Switch backside pop shuv is cursed for me I either land wrong and break the board or slip out or whatever. I want to do them identical to my regular one but it never works out that way. Guess I just need to break more boards and fall down more
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BS Lipslides - just managed to wrap my head around getting my back foot over the ledge but consistency is my problem. What angle should I go at? Do I think of it like a BS 50-50 but over-rotate my back foot? I think I could get into the slide but the board would get too far ahead of me and I wouldn't be able to stay on top of the board and just slide.
I have a shitty curb under my apartment block, it's crusty and rough so slides and grinds are out of the question. The asphalt slopes and cracks at all thee weirdest places too. But it is decent for practicing stalls of tricks.
As far as the angle goes, yes think of it like a b/s 50-50. If you're having trouble getting the back foot over you can go at a slllllllightly bit more of an angle, but you don't want to get on with so much of an angle you slide across the rail and hang your front truck on.
If you're doing them on ledges, you kind of have to push from toeside once you get on to get a good slide going.
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Switch backside pop shuv is cursed for me I either land wrong and break the board or slip out or whatever. I want to do them identical to my regular one but it never works out that way. Guess I just need to break more boards and fall down more
I might be able to do em better switch than regular, and that certainly used to be the case. Except. My feet come up together. No front foot catch. I look like I’m trying to do a skateboard high jump, 70s style. Fucked. When I try and catch front foot they start turning over and then primo and it’s all fucked. My regs are trash, keep scooping them like a tre.
I too can’t nollie up things. I don’t skate fast enough. I used to shifty/cheat everything. Like to get away from that
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Nollies up, over and down things are one of the best feelings ever, they're easier to learn up stuff coming at an angle at first, start even almost parallel if you need. That will kind of force you to (naturally) shifty your way up there but at least you'll get the right timing down as well as the backwards type of momentum on the jump (the key is to push your nose ahead of you by extending your whole leg and not just lean over the front of the board and wait for magic to happen). Then you can work on your angle of approach by gradually coming more and more perpendicular, eventually you'll get rid of the shifty technique or even learn how to control it (honestly, big shifty nollies are so fun). Also the number one thing to keep in mind with that trick over an obstacle of any sort is to pop early, like a full deck length earlier than you would pop something ollie-based over the same obstacle (so speed helps). Just pretend that if you don't, then you will clip the obstacle because well, that's exactly that will happen (or down stuff you will have a harder time getting proper pop). Also binge watch Paulo Diaz and realize it's one of the best tricks.
Sw pop shove I find super easy to control by popping off the big toe at the tip in the very middle of the tail (which I normally don't do for switch scooped tricks) and then you have to kind of nudge the board forwards so that you stay leaning backwards and don't naturally jump ahead of the trick, if you keep your shoulders in the same axis the whole time it should just start working. It kind of feels like the placement/pop/scoop type of a switch backside 180 if anything and then you can try getting the kind that's caught so early it feels like it never left your feet.
For ollie impossibles, no matter the board size/shape mine is always the same (in fact I find that trick to be one of the least set-up-dependent tricks as far as I'm concerned), back foot is always located across the whole width of the board and nested just behind the back bolts (I can actually feel the concave under my sole prior to popping and that's how I know I'm going to get the wrap).
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Basic heel flips - some days I’m all over it but some I can’t land a single flip. Any suggestions for front foot positioning?
dont hang your toes off so much. stand basicially like an ollie and throw your foot off.
I struggled with these for years but i was trying to do a HEEL flip when in actuallity its a 'side of of your shoe' flip
wobblehead, this helped alot. the "side of your shoe" flip was the key i was missing. got it down on flat now trying on kickers. cheers bro
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Popping out of backside 50s and any nose grind.
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Popping out of backside 50s and any nose grind.
For bs 50s, make sure your weight is on your back foot while grinding. Just smash the tail down and jump in the directuin you wanna go.
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2 manny related questions.
1. Tips for ollie into nose manny.
2. Any trick out of a manny. 180 out or ollie out. Every manny I do I just roll off the pad.
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Used to be Nollie fs 180s but now it’s everything, seemingly...
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2 manny related questions.
1. Tips for ollie into nose manny.
2. Any trick out of a manny. 180 out or ollie out. Every manny I do I just roll off the pad.
1. What has always worked for me is to have the front foot square, and covering all the front bolts. Back foot is up near the back bolts with the ball of your foot and toes in the heel side pocket. When you get into the nose manny your front foot will be planted and back foot will be more on the toes, then it’s all about balance from there.
2. Practice manualing to Ollie just on the sidewalk. It’s easy and fun to manual a few squares and then Ollie a crack. Then just take it to the pad and Ollie our then try a 180, shove, or kickflip out. Also manualing to Ollie up a curb helps get your pop up.
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Switch backside pop shuv is cursed for me I either land wrong and break the board or slip out or whatever. I want to do them identical to my regular one but it never works out that way. Guess I just need to break more boards and fall down more
I might be able to do em better switch than regular, and that certainly used to be the case. Except. My feet come up together. No front foot catch. I look like I’m trying to do a skateboard high jump, 70s style. Fucked. When I try and catch front foot they start turning over and then primo and it’s all fucked. My regs are trash, keep scooping them like a tre.
I too can’t nollie up things. I don’t skate fast enough. I used to shifty/cheat everything. Like to get away from that
silhouette had very good tips, but i'll say this if you want to nollie things straight. try to not think about height of your pop, focus on pop direction and timing to drag it up. you don't need to be super fast to or pop super high to nollie up, but you have to pop early enough and hang in there til you are clear. i used to learn nollieing up curbs by learning to clear manholes first and knowing that, i knew i could pop about so far from the curb and probably still get up. just took it there. i don't nollie up anything higher than that though, as im old and tired. although i'd love to land some nollie nosemanual in my life at some point on some sort of legit ledge.
i couldn't sw bs shuv without doing the stevie revert (real badly). i'd always turn my body frontside. i have no tips for how to do it really. i just want to talk about how weird this trick is for me. i learned to do it okay by doing it basically yo style. using only my front foot to catch it and almost landing one footed. i also think they are fairly easy to do as a sloppy non popped skidder shove once you find that pressure spot in the pocket.
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^Not a tip by any means, but I find it fascinating that my regular pop shoves are basically a pop with a very slight scoop but my switch ones are like 90% scoop and almost no pop. Maybe that’s just bad form. Who knows.
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^Not a tip by any means, but I find it fascinating that my regular pop shoves are basically a pop with a very slight scoop but my switch ones are like 90% scoop and almost no pop. Maybe that’s just bad form. Who knows.
That's probably just the way you learned them that's different, I could see it happen if you're mostly used to doing nollie shove variations for instance (especially if you don't pop them and just fling them) so now you feel like you have to go extra hard to compensate for the reversed momentum.
If you're trying to pop them and ideally catch them over stuff it might be bad technique (not necessarily form, that's more subjective), be it nollie or switch ones, I guess I used to force my switch ones a bit more when I first learned them too and that's the fundamental first step but now if I'm going to try and clear something (even imaginary) with that trick in either of those stances then the way I do them feels like I'm just popping straight down with the right foot positioning and there's absolutely zero scoop but the one induced by the hip placement I guess. If you watch, say, extreme examples like Alex Carolino who pop those tricks over benches or even classic European skaters who used to do that trick like Jan Kliewer, then it becomes very obvious how that way of doing it is supposed to work. On the other hand, if I add just one tiny bit of scoop to one of those tricks with that method then it instantly turns into its 360 counterpart (which is practical too).
To avoid the revert thing the key is to keep your shoulders and hips square and parallel to the board (maybe even oriented backwards as to really lock yourself into place) at all times, pre- and post-pop and also maybe to lean back a little more than you'd expect so that you never get anywhere near from landing with your weight on the wrong end of the board. Just skating switch more in general and developing confidence and comfort should naturally 'fix' this problem.
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2 manny related questions.
1. Tips for ollie into nose manny.
2. Any trick out of a manny. 180 out or ollie out. Every manny I do I just roll off the pad.
1. What has always worked for me is to have the front foot square, and covering all the front bolts. Back foot is up near the back bolts with the ball of your foot and toes in the heel side pocket. When you get into the nose manny your front foot will be planted and back foot will be more on the toes, then it’s all about balance from there.
2. Practice manualing to Ollie just on the sidewalk. It’s easy and fun to manual a few squares and then Ollie a crack. Then just take it to the pad and Ollie our then try a 180, shove, or kickflip out. Also manualing to Ollie up a curb helps get your pop up.
Hey thanks for this.
Tried the second tip today. Was definitely fun and actually got a couple small shitty ollies.
Going to try the nose manny tip next session.
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2 manny related questions.
1. Tips for ollie into nose manny.
2. Any trick out of a manny. 180 out or ollie out. Every manny I do I just roll off the pad.
1. What has always worked for me is to have the front foot square, and covering all the front bolts. Back foot is up near the back bolts with the ball of your foot and toes in the heel side pocket. When you get into the nose manny your front foot will be planted and back foot will be more on the toes, then it’s all about balance from there.
2. Practice manualing to Ollie just on the sidewalk. It’s easy and fun to manual a few squares and then Ollie a crack. Then just take it to the pad and Ollie our then try a 180, shove, or kickflip out. Also manualing to Ollie up a curb helps get your pop up.
Hey thanks for this.
Tried the second tip today. Was definitely fun and actually got a couple small shitty ollies.
Going to try the nose manny tip next session.
Glad I could help, especially since I’m not skating right now.
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Heelflip
Inward heelflip
Varial kickflip
Nollie fs 180
Nollie fs bigspin
Switch bs 180
Don't like most of those anyway so no big deal i'm inconsistent with them
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Any tips for spreading your feet out and getting the back foot back on for tre flips? Getting the scoop and board rotation every time but my feet are either too close together when I land or the back foot comes off and forward a little bit. Trying to keep my shoulders square to prevent the back foot from coming forward.
Having a similar problem. I'm landing on the board three out of every five tries and riding away maybe one in ten because my feet are too far towards the nose and too close together. Help?
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I ve been skating for 4/5 years now and somehow never skated curb. I can do 50/50 that is all.
So I suck at everything that slides or grinds.
I am currently trying to do NOSE SLIDE aha and I can't do it.
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I ve been skating for 4/5 years now and somehow never skated curb. I can do 50/50 that is all.
So I suck at everything that slides or grinds.
I am currently trying to do NOSE SLIDE aha and I can't do it.
What’s your issue? Can’t get into one? Sticking? Slipping out?
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it's getting a little better, main prob was/is slipping out
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Slappy bs crooks. I smash into the curb, front truck in crooks position but can't get my front foot on top of the curb, and if so, I don't grind. That trick is seriously so hard for me, any help is appreciated. Shalom pals
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Slappy bs crooks. I smash into the curb, front truck in crooks position but can't get my front foot on top of the curb, and if so, I don't grind. That trick is seriously so hard for me, any help is appreciated. Shalom pals
Can you do normal crooks? It sounds like you can get your truck locked in but you're not grinding? Are you falling forward or something? Not sure what you mean by front foot not getting on top of the curb but you kinda need to ship your whole body weight over your front foot if that makes sense... but obviously not to the point where you stick from leaning too far forward.
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Slappy bs crooks. I smash into the curb, front truck in crooks position but can't get my front foot on top of the curb, and if so, I don't grind. That trick is seriously so hard for me, any help is appreciated. Shalom pals
Can you do normal crooks? It sounds like you can get your truck locked in but you're not grinding? Are you falling forward or something? Not sure what you mean by front foot not getting on top of the curb but you kinda need to ship your whole body weight over your front foot if that makes sense... but obviously not to the point where you stick from leaning too far forward.
Well I can't do normal crooks and I also can't nosewheelie.
Yeah I get into the slappy crooks but I am not grinding and fall forward. I try to lean back as far as possible and still don't grind. Would it help to wax the top of the curb? I only waxed the edge so far.
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Slappy bs crooks. I smash into the curb, front truck in crooks position but can't get my front foot on top of the curb, and if so, I don't grind. That trick is seriously so hard for me, any help is appreciated. Shalom pals
Can you do normal crooks? It sounds like you can get your truck locked in but you're not grinding? Are you falling forward or something? Not sure what you mean by front foot not getting on top of the curb but you kinda need to ship your whole body weight over your front foot if that makes sense... but obviously not to the point where you stick from leaning too far forward.
Well I can't do normal crooks and I also can't nosewheelie.
Yeah I get into the slappy crooks but I am not grinding and fall forward. I try to lean back as far as possible and still don't grind. Would it help to wax the top of the curb? I only waxed the edge so far.
I know you're not asking me, but do the top. I posted it in the other tricks thread but the best advice I've ever heard with slappy crooks is that they're a nose slide with a wheel pinched in.
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anone else find back tails to be the most enfuriatingly incosistant trick?
was skating my little box yesterday and reguar back tails were ok but even the thought of trying something out of 'em sends them heywire. stick stick stick, slip out, stick repeat... evetually got a biggy out but it was hideous haha any tips?
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Fakie shuvs
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anone else find back tails to be the most enfuriatingly incosistant trick?
was skating my little box yesterday and reguar back tails were ok but even the thought of trying something out of 'em sends them heywire. stick stick stick, slip out, stick repeat... evetually got a biggy out but it was hideous haha any tips?
I only have regular BSTS and Backtail to fakie so take this with a grain of salt. But I would say try and practice them to where doing it is automatic, almost as if you were doing a 50-50. Once you have that variations would probably be much easier since you only have to edit the trick that you already have on lock.
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I don't know if you consider them basic, but pretty much all switch kickflip and nollie kickflip tricks are my kryptonite. I can do a few of them, but they're heinous.
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I don't know if you consider them basic, but pretty much all switch kickflip and nollie kickflip tricks are my kryptonite. I can do a few of them, but they're heinous.
I feel you there. I've done one good sw flip in my life, learning the flick again is challenging
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my kickflips are total ass and im not sure how to make them better, main problems i have that i can think of is if i need to just delay the flick more, bring up my back knee more, or just the fact im not sure what part of the board to flick my foot towards so it doesnt end up being a weird donkey kick where my leg goes out then back in really fast like a mob flip, i really want to get those better so im probably gonna just have to take a couple days to try and work it out.
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my kickflips are total ass and im not sure how to make them better, main problems i have that i can think of is if i need to just delay the flick more, bring up my back knee more, or just the fact im not sure what part of the board to flick my foot towards so it doesnt end up being a weird donkey kick where my leg goes out then back in really fast like a mob flip, i really want to get those better so im probably gonna just have to take a couple days to try and work it out.
bannedfromtheroom has a good one: pretend you only have the strip of your board the size of a 2x4 dead center where your bolts are to work with. That helps a lot with flicking off the nose, ie, kicking out instead of mobbing it. Helps with pop too, especially if you try putting your back foot just a little more towards the pocket than the tip of the tail; that seems to slow things down a bit and makes the ollie/flick easier to do smoothly because the nose doesn't rise so suddenly. Those two tips put my kickflips in working order to the point where the trick even feels good a lot of the time.
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I don't know if you consider them basic, but pretty much all switch kickflip and nollie kickflip tricks are my kryptonite. I can do a few of them, but they're heinous.
I feel you there. I've done one good sw flip in my life, learning the flick again is challenging
I can flick mine fine but can’t stay over the board to save my life. It’s like bailing out behind the board is a hardwired part of my flick. So I guess the flick isn’t so fine after all.
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my kickflips are total ass and im not sure how to make them better, main problems i have that i can think of is if i need to just delay the flick more, bring up my back knee more, or just the fact im not sure what part of the board to flick my foot towards so it doesnt end up being a weird donkey kick where my leg goes out then back in really fast like a mob flip, i really want to get those better so im probably gonna just have to take a couple days to try and work it out.
bannedfromtheroom has a good one: pretend you only have the strip of your board the size of a 2x4 dead center where your bolts are to work with. That helps a lot with flicking off the nose, ie, kicking out instead of mobbing it. Helps with pop too, especially if you try putting your back foot just a little more towards the pocket than the tip of the tail; that seems to slow things down a bit and makes the ollie/flick easier to do smoothly because the nose doesn't rise so suddenly. Those two tips put my kickflips in working order to the point where the trick even feels good a lot of the time.
i tried this with my switch flips and can confirm it helps a lot
ha.
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Its definitely regular kickflips for me, I used to be able to do them perfect but I quit for a few years. I can do switch and nollie flips(sometimes) but not regular. I always put my foot in a different position every time I set up for it
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Anyone know how to flick out for switch flips more and leave the flicking foot out in front until you catch it? I'm 99% sure I'm flicking off of the right part of the tail, but it kinda goes down ish.
I'm not necessarily too worried about mobbing as I feel like it'llget better with time and my flips are level and even sometimes slightly caught so it can't be tooo mobbed.
The bigger issue is that I pull my flicking foot in as soon as I get enough flick to make the board flip. By the time I (barely) catch it, my front foot is right next to my back foot which looks like shit.
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Anyone know how to flick out for switch flips more and leave the flicking foot out in front until you catch it? I'm 99% sure I'm flicking off of the right part of the tail, but it kinda goes down ish.
I'm not necessarily too worried about mobbing as I feel like it'llget better with time and my flips are level and even sometimes slightly caught so it can't be tooo mobbed.
The bigger issue is that I pull my flicking foot in as soon as I get enough flick to make the board flip. By the time I (barely) catch it, my front foot is right next to my back foot which looks like shit.
I don't break down my switch flips in fine detail all that much but I'll occasionally do ones that I like and when that happens I find that the timing of it all has a lot to do with how I tweak switch ollies if that makes sense. I've always liked tweaking my switch ollies with that kind of forward shifty motion trying to drive the tail ahead of me with my front foot, and when I do a switch flip that feels good it's usually just an extension of that motion and the back foot catch/tweak becomes automatic because it's already happening at the peak of the jump anyway. Shoulder positioning probably plays a role too, I usually hold them very parallel to the board as opposed to a more open stance like I would for switch frontside flip and I think it helps with the linearity of the motion and getting the optimal tension applied on the surface of the board. It's one of those tricks that just work best when visualized on a two-dimensional plane and not three-dimensional (which resonates with the 'think in a straight line going through the board' tip posted earlier).
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Anyone know how to flick out for switch flips more and leave the flicking foot out in front until you catch it? I'm 99% sure I'm flicking off of the right part of the tail, but it kinda goes down ish.
I'm not necessarily too worried about mobbing as I feel like it'llget better with time and my flips are level and even sometimes slightly caught so it can't be tooo mobbed.
The bigger issue is that I pull my flicking foot in as soon as I get enough flick to make the board flip. By the time I (barely) catch it, my front foot is right next to my back foot which looks like shit.
I get this with both regular and switch kickflips: too quick to retract. I think I’ve just got too much mob movements going on, especially switch. I cannot really drag my flicking foot, I usually start off with foot on, or right below, the bolts.
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Loved this thread – Took me about a month to read it at work, but some of the stuff in here is GOLD!!
That front shuv trick – DAMN! Had my front shuvs pretty good I’d say, but that push straight down tricks just makes them that more consistent!!
I actually took a few notes (cut n paste) to read after the fact so I don’t have to dig certain things up. If I can land a back three one day Ill be ever so grateful. I think im semi hopeless on this one. And I’ve been inspired to perhaps try a Bluntslide. Used to slappy them back in the 90’s, but its been a few years, and the ledges are a wee bit higher than the old sidewalks we used to skate…Backside seems easier to slide, but might seem like id slip out to easily, where as I think I can lock a f/s but sliding would be tuff. Well see (lots of wishful thinking going on in my head now…)
Shout out to Silhouette – he had a bunch of good tips in there and really takes the time to explain things. Seems like a good skater too – Thanks for sharing!
Couple of people said they had a hard time with power slides. Try to be light on your feet, and just give’er and hang on. I can make a lil how too vid if need be. Powerslides kick ass, lots of fun, everyone should learn em. Backside ones are THE best…
Thought this was a nice pick me up aka Boostarama when you’re having a hard time, thanks Silhouette!!
On a more serious note though, you're already good enough on a skateboard to do whatever you realistically envision yourself doing and then a lot more. Everyone is. I believe that a lot of what makes the difference in people's technical progression is self-confidence (not believing that you can actually do something blocks you from even really trying, which in turns comforts you into the delusion that you can't do it, etc., whereas perceiving a movement as something natural and simple helps you get there instinctively, similarly to learning a language when directly immersed into a foreign environment), and a basic understanding of some rudimentary physics as well as their own anatomy, essentially studying posture (from your favorite skaters' footage, etc.) without neglecting a single part of your body as well as the shape and reactions of the skateboard as a simple object to manipulate - understanding the pressure points, mentally breaking down your griptape side into a grid and whatnot. Once you've understood the basic physical principles, the only limitation is yourself, comprising the ones of your own body. At that stage if you still struggle with a certain trick due to seemingly being unable to do a specific motion, then at least by you're basically aware of exactly what it is you're doing wrong (and essentially too lazy or comfortable anyway to train hard enough to fix it). The reality is skateboarding is only as difficult for a person as they believe it is, and make it out to be.
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Slappy bs crooks. I smash into the curb, front truck in crooks position but can't get my front foot on top of the curb, and if so, I don't grind. That trick is seriously so hard for me, any help is appreciated. Shalom pals
front foot on nose in the pocket with heel hanging off, back foot on bolts, heel also kinda hanging off. then it's kind've a 2 step thing where the front wheel has to bounce up onto the top and then you pinch and grind, kinda come in at a 30 degree angle, not super parallel. if you don't wait for that wheel to bounce up you'll either jam or noseslide. one thing that'll happen here and there is your foot will slip off the nose when you're getting on the curb too.
definitely wax some of the top of the curb too because the nose will contact the curb and could stick, and expect to come out fakie for a minute because bringing them back to regs is kinda tricky especially if the curb is lower.
good luck, probably my favorite trick right now.
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Anyone know how to flick out for switch flips more and leave the flicking foot out in front until you catch it? I'm 99% sure I'm flicking off of the right part of the tail, but it kinda goes down ish.
I'm not necessarily too worried about mobbing as I feel like it'llget better with time and my flips are level and even sometimes slightly caught so it can't be tooo mobbed.
The bigger issue is that I pull my flicking foot in as soon as I get enough flick to make the board flip. By the time I (barely) catch it, my front foot is right next to my back foot which looks like shit.
I don't break down my switch flips in fine detail all that much but I'll occasionally do ones that I like and when that happens I find that the timing of it all has a lot to do with how I tweak switch ollies if that makes sense. I've always liked tweaking my switch ollies with that kind of forward shifty motion trying to drive the tail ahead of me with my front foot, and when I do a switch flip that feels good it's usually just an extension of that motion and the back foot catch/tweak becomes automatic because it's already happening at the peak of the jump anyway. Shoulder positioning probably plays a role too, I usually hold them very parallel to the board as opposed to a more open stance like I would for switch frontside flip and I think it helps with the linearity of the motion and getting the optimal tension applied on the surface of the board. It's one of those tricks that just work best when visualized on a two-dimensional plane and not three-dimensional (which resonates with the 'think in a straight line going through the board' tip posted earlier).
I tried a few more today and its getting a tiny bit better. Super weird because I'm catching it properly with my back foot and the board is even boning a bit but the flick still looks like shit, but really trying hard to keep my front foot hanging out there until my back foot catches is helping. Learning these from a clean slate so don't wanna develop any bad habits.
They're currently a bit off, but my switch ollie has historically been more proper than my regular one sometimes, so its weird that switch flips feel so foreign to me. Keeping shoulders dead parallel also super important for sure.
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Tail blocks. My foot is always touching the deck. Most times I get the splits when I jump back in.
Font side laybacks. I can do like fs rock and fs hurricane to forward but I cannot get on with a slash an put my hand down.
If anyone has any tips would be nice. I'm heading to a quarter pipe in about an HR.
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Shout out to Silhouette – he had a bunch of good tips in there and really takes the time to explain things.
Yo I appreciate that, I also write that stuff down for people like you who're passionate about skating enough to dig into this kind of threads and read the old posts! I believe I've posted back 3 tips before so you might have found them already but if you're stuck at a certain stage I'm lurking this thread quite a bit so maybe I can help you out specifically understanding what it is you're doing wrong. But in general I'd just recommend doing a lot of b/s 360 step hops to get the right groove in the shoulders and movement and then essentially do the same thing without putting the front foot down. There's no reason why you won't get them.
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On a more serious note though, you're already good enough on a skateboard to do whatever you realistically envision yourself doing and then a lot more. Everyone is. I believe that a lot of what makes the difference in people's technical progression is self-confidence (not believing that you can actually do something blocks you from even really trying, which in turns comforts you into the delusion that you can't do it, etc., whereas perceiving a movement as something natural and simple helps you get there instinctively, similarly to learning a language when directly immersed into a foreign environment), and a basic understanding of some rudimentary physics as well as their own anatomy, essentially studying posture (from your favorite skaters' footage, etc.) without neglecting a single part of your body as well as the shape and reactions of the skateboard as a simple object to manipulate - understanding the pressure points, mentally breaking down your griptape side into a grid and whatnot. Once you've understood the basic physical principles, the only limitation is yourself, comprising the ones of your own body. At that stage if you still struggle with a certain trick due to seemingly being unable to do a specific motion, then at least by you're basically aware of exactly what it is you're doing wrong (and essentially too lazy or comfortable anyway to train hard enough to fix it). The reality is skateboarding is only as difficult for a person as they believe it is, and make it out to be.
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Well put, sometimes you just need someone to psych you up enough to try the trick 1 time so you have the confidence to try it. Subsequent attempts are fine tuning the physics of it. Much easier said than done though.
I wish more trick tips would focus on the rotation of hips, shoulders and eye point. I was bored during lockdown and went to read into one of Chris Cole's Sessions trick tips on IG (I'm not giving him my money just yet). He was discussing BS lipslides and briefly mentioned using your hips to pivot and rotate your legs-feet-board over the rail. That's how you get the perfect looking Kirchart / Arto ones.
Im not the most talented in skateboarding or any sports so having technique broken down like this is very helpful for me. Miles better than the old Willy Santos trick tips hosted on the old Birdhouse page.
1) to do a kickflip put your front door in the kickflip position
2) pop your board and drag your foot
3) flick your toe to flip the board
4) catch it on the griptape side
5) bend your knees and ride away
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Im not the most talented in skateboarding or any sports so having technique broken down like this is very helpful for me. Miles better than the old Willy Santos trick tips hosted on the old Birdhouse page.
1) to do a kickflip put your front door in the kickflip position
2) pop your board and drag your foot
3) flick your toe to flip the board
4) catch it on the griptape side
5) bend your knees and ride away
The first skate mag I ever saw was a Skate One (the old Powell catalogues) and it had this frontside 360 ollie trick tip by I think Pat Channita, IIRC the steps were literally 1/ ollie, 2/ turn 360 degrees frontside, 3/ land and roll away. The sequence of Pat was of an impeccable one down a double set or something. I never got good at that trick in retribution.
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I have a weird guilty pleasure of watching pro trick tips because almost all of them are really bad at explaining how to do tricks.
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5) bend your knees and ride away
Wasnt it "Ride away clean"..lol
Gonna try those back 3 no complies tomorrow and will report back Silhouette!!
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I have a weird guilty pleasure of watching pro trick tips because almost all of them are really bad at explaining how to do tricks.
This one is my favourite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBWFbi2gsew
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I have a weird guilty pleasure of watching pro trick tips because almost all of them are really bad at explaining how to do tricks.
This one is my favourite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBWFbi2gsew
visible frustration
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The ssbsts clip is great cuz he's clearly clowning on it, but some of them will be a 5 minute tutorial of "you, ummm, pop the uhh tail, and you use your FRONT foot to flip the board."
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The ssbsts clip is great cuz he's clearly clowning on it, but some of them will be a 5 minute tutorial of "you, ummm, pop the uhh tail, and you use your FRONT foot to flip the board."
I'm here for the secret sauce of the trick tip, insight that cuts through the BS and conventional wisdom of the trick. Like silhouette mentioned how your shoulders, eye point and foot position can make a world of difference for 360 flips.
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The ssbsts clip is great cuz he's clearly clowning on it, but some of them will be a 5 minute tutorial of "you, ummm, pop the uhh tail, and you use your FRONT foot to flip the board."
I think the reason why a lot of pros trick tips are bad is because some of the best skaters don´t look at skating like it´s done in this thread. They are not really thinking about all the little details mentioned in here but rather do their tricks by instinct. Every time i have sat down with someone leagues ahead of me asking for tips about a certain trick, i only got a blank face.
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I think the reason why a lot of pros trick tips are bad is because some of the best skaters don´t look at skating like it´s done in this thread. They are not really thinking about all the little details mentioned in here but rather do their tricks by instinct. Every time i have sat down with someone leagues ahead of me asking for tips about a certain trick, i only got a blank face.
I don't know about that - lots of the tips I give are stuff that's rubbed off on me due to being around good skateboarders and pros discussing (not just physical but also mental) technicalities over the years, to the point where I'm convinced that the best of them actually know exactly what they're doing and could successfully teach you the basic of their ways on the spot if they wanted. It's just that for the most part they don't actually want you to learn the trick in trick tip videos, for the most part those are commercials aimed at nurturing the illusion that the pro will always be better than you anyway (in this case relatable, but still miles above); even when a good-hearted person is featured in those they're still most likely be treating it as some kind of mere coverage opportunity (if not contractual obligation) and thus won't especially be feeling like trying to go in-depth. Now, catch the same person in the right context and most of their personalized tips will most likely be a lot more helpful.
But you're definitely right about how much intellectualizing skateboarding makes a difference on a person's skating. For some folks it seems to be like, the more they try to do it, the more variables (and just as many reasons) pop up and make them doubt that maybe they could miss the trick - not overthinking stuff and just going by brute repetition and muscle memory is one way to keep it simple and practical. And then the other hand, you have other people who also keep it simple and practical for themselves but due to having consciously broken down the elementary physics of the activity, not just understood but also analyzed and summarized the basic and usual action/reaction patterns etc. which I think is more efficient in the long run and in the end when it comes to giving tips, the only real difference is those can just verbalize and communicate the technicalities better.
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Anyone got tips for nollie varial heels?
I'm trying to get the foot placement right to create pressure to make it pop properly.
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Anyone got tips for nollie varial heels?
I'm trying to get the foot placement right to create pressure to make it pop properly.
I pop mine off the corner of the nose with big toe on my front foot which is at a 45 degree angle. Back foot is somewhere around the back bolts with the toes hanging off, maybe also slightly angled towards the nose. When you pop the nollie shove from that position the board should naturally stick to it and then you can just kick out for the heelflip, which should be easy as said foot was already resting on the right part of the concave. From then on if you've given yourself the right momentum on the jump (I personally lean back pre-pop then try jumping towards my tail) you should be good. If you wait for the board to come around for an extra split second and kick down instead of out you can also do cheap nollie shove late flips like this.
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Since I started skating again, just a pop shuv
Either they are waist-high and perfectly caught, or I snap my board.
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I searched and didn’t see anything on this...
But any tips for wallies??
Have never tried one but want to next session.
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Fakie shuvs ugh. So hard.
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I searched and didn’t see anything on this...
But any tips for wallies??
Have never tried one but want to next session.
Recent thread here: https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=111257
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Terrified of switch front boards. I was getting them once and i bodied myself and now I'm scared.
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Terrified of switch front boards. I was getting them once and i bodied myself and now I'm scared.
If you have a stable flatbar, you can kinda not fully commit and do those short ones where you're not on top and holding it and work your way up towards fully committing backwards and sliding.
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Terrified of switch front boards. I was getting them once and i bodied myself and now I'm scared.
If you have a stable flatbar, you can kinda not fully commit and do those short ones where you're not on top and holding it and work your way up towards fully committing backwards and sliding.
i'll give it a go
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I'd say maybe even try and get them like that on ledges first. Much less scarier than a rail at first (to me it was at least) and learning to get into stable ones on those is quite easy. Once those have become second nature, replicating the motion on a rail is essentially the same thing. Learned that trick only last year or so myself and I love it, I hope you get it back.
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Gunna give this another go. Back fifty. Someone gave me the tip of coming in perpendicular and doing a stall and then reducing the angle but I just never end up on top of it. I just ollie and land next to it. Maybe some kind of mental block.
Im just so bad at all grinds in general. I think Im doing something seriously wrong. My flatground game is good, but on a ledge I'm useless. Gets thats the price I pay for being a bit of a "wanna play SKATE? kid when I was young.
I used to have them fine like 10+ years ago and when I look at clips of me doing them from then I kind of get into a back nosegrind and then drop the back truck.
Also back bigspins. Do you do it more like a shuv with a back 180 or a 360 shuv where you follow it with a body varial?
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definitely a 3shuv with a body turn. gotta start turning your body first though
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Gunna give this another go. Back fifty. Someone gave me the tip of coming in perpendicular and doing a stall and then reducing the angle but I just never end up on top of it. I just ollie and land next to it. Maybe some kind of mental block.
Im just so bad at all grinds in general. I think Im doing something seriously wrong. My flatground game is good, but on a ledge I'm useless. Gets thats the price I pay for being a bit of a "wanna play SKATE? kid when I was young.
I used to have them fine like 10+ years ago and when I look at clips of me doing them from then I kind of get into a back nosegrind and then drop the back truck.
Also back bigspins. Do you do it more like a shuv with a back 180 or a 360 shuv where you follow it with a body varial?
Where are you on the trick now? Can't get the concept of ollie-ing backside onto ledges? Going too high and slamming down?
I try and think of them as part of the ollie motion, as my back foot pops the board, my front foot slides up the griptape to place the front truck on the ledge. As I'm doing that my back foot is guiding the back truck aligned with the front truck so both trucks are on the ledge. It feels very different front a FS 50-50 where you can just ollie up and onto the ledge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phGmF1l0X3I
"You're not riding up to the ledge parallel and ollie-ing up"
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Gunna give this another go. Back fifty. Someone gave me the tip of coming in perpendicular and doing a stall and then reducing the angle but I just never end up on top of it. I just ollie and land next to it. Maybe some kind of mental block.
Im just so bad at all grinds in general. I think Im doing something seriously wrong. My flatground game is good, but on a ledge I'm useless. Gets thats the price I pay for being a bit of a "wanna play SKATE? kid when I was young.
I used to have them fine like 10+ years ago and when I look at clips of me doing them from then I kind of get into a back nosegrind and then drop the back truck.
Also back bigspins. Do you do it more like a shuv with a back 180 or a 360 shuv where you follow it with a body varial?
Where are you on the trick now? Can't get the concept of ollie-ing backside onto ledges? Going too high and slamming down?
I try and think of them as part of the ollie motion, as my back foot pops the board, my front foot slides up the griptape to place the front truck on the ledge. As I'm doing that my back foot is guiding the back truck aligned with the front truck so both trucks are on the ledge. It feels very different front a FS 50-50 where you can just ollie up and onto the ledge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phGmF1l0X3I
"You're not riding up to the ledge parallel and ollie-ing up"
Figured them out today before I saw your post but this is exactly it. I just focus on getting my front truck on and straightening out. Feels more like two motions as opposed to front fifties.
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Hey Silhouette, care to dissect my 360 attempts and try to correct me?
I feel that sometime I carve in too much and everything just flies out. Or if I try to keep / stay more upright, doenst seem to jive either.
3 attempts. One was kinda close but i was landing with the nose down, like in to a nose wheelie kinda....
Thanks
https://vimeo.com/437851754
https://vimeo.com/437851941
https://vimeo.com/437852264
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Trying to learn pop shuv and kickflip into manny. I’ve been practicing them going slow on flat. Any tips would be appreciated!
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Also back bigspins. Do you do it more like a shuv with a back 180 or a 360 shuv where you follow it with a body varial?
I do them as a b/s 180 with a little shove thrown in, but I don't pop it. My feet are in shove-it position and I just turn backside while doing a shove-it.
If you're trying them, remember to really turn your shoulders to reduce the potential for landing 90 degrees - if you land 90 in a bigspin position, you'll more than likely slip out and fall. It happens to everyone.
I only do them with the wheels sliding on the ground, though. They're not popped. Maybe that's not what you want.
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Also back bigspins. Do you do it more like a shuv with a back 180 or a 360 shuv where you follow it with a body varial?
Definitely a 360 shuv with a body varial (if you're trying to pop them). I find putting my feet close together helps it come around faster but its less stable so do what works for you. Wind up a lot and pop straight down, no scoop at all. Popping straight down with the shoulders should be enough to get it around, you wanna imagine the board spinning really fast from the pop if that makes sense.
If you're able to get the 3 shuv but your body doesn't come all the way around, try looking at the nose of your board the whole time, by tracking the nose with your eyes you can kinda trick your shoulders and the rest of your body to come around.
Another thing that helps is to have your trucks leaning slightly to the heel side when you bend down and pop, if the trucks are flat or leaning toe side its much more likely to flip or shift a lot laterally.
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Struggling hard with BS Crooks. I get into the Crook position almost every try but usually fall forward or stick which I know is too much weight forward.
It doesn't really make sense to me to get the truck/nose onto the ledge but still lean back enough to grind? When I do get the grind to work my board usually flips over off the end of the ledge.
Any help is appreciated, it's getting really frustrating, been trying them for over a month now. I'm thinking maybe I need to learn nose manny to get the board control.
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Struggling hard with BS Crooks. I get into the Crook position almost every try but usually fall forward or stick which I know is too much weight forward.
It doesn't really make sense to me to get the truck/nose onto the ledge but still lean back enough to grind? When I do get the grind to work my board usually flips over off the end of the ledge.
Any help is appreciated, it's getting really frustrating, been trying them for over a month now. I'm thinking maybe I need to learn nose manny to get the board control.
The folks on here can probably do a better job than I can, but I'll just share some of my observations relearning this trick.
If you're sticking:
- You could be putting too much weight on your nose and not enough on your truck; it's a grind more than a slide, so your truck will be taking the brunt of the damage
https://youtu.be/KjOvwoExz8E?t=87
- In the slow motion part of the video you can see the tilting of the truck as it grinds crooked on the ledge, that is what you should be aiming for. If you check out the rest of his truck review videos he talks about getting the crooked grind mark, that is where you should be aiming to have your truck land during the grind.
- Foot placement on board when grinding should be in the pocket of the nose with slightly more weight on the trucks / front bolts, too much weight on the nose will cause you to stick instead of stand up on your grind.
- Stand tall your board and above the grind, the weight distribution on this trick really determines if you're going to stick have the board shoot out from under you. The more over your board (and front truck) you are on the trick, the easier it is to balance and pop out.
When exiting:
- Speed really helps with a good exit and it makes this trick so much fun. The faster you go, the timing for locking in gets trickier, but the grind and exit feel so good, especially on a nicely waxed ledge or worn in trucks.
- If you have your feet setup like I mentioned in my previous point, exiting is just a matter of nudging the board off the end slightly.
- (everyone else here can probably teach you about how to pop out mid ledge, that's a sexy trick)
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Trying to learn pop shuv and kickflip into manny. I’ve been practicing them going slow on flat. Any tips would be appreciated!
its so much harder going slow and on flat dude, find a small manny pad and go for it.
for flip mannies i put less effort into leveling out my board, if you can kinda rocket the flip then youre already set up in the manny position you just need to get your feet back on and and set it down into manny. stand tall and stay centered so you dont slip out
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Struggling hard with BS Crooks. I get into the Crook position almost every try but usually fall forward or stick which I know is too much weight forward.
It doesn't really make sense to me to get the truck/nose onto the ledge but still lean back enough to grind? When I do get the grind to work my board usually flips over off the end of the ledge.
Any help is appreciated, it's getting really frustrating, been trying them for over a month now. I'm thinking maybe I need to learn nose manny to get the board control.
The folks on here can probably do a better job than I can, but I'll just share some of my observations relearning this trick.
If you're sticking:
- You could be putting too much weight on your nose and not enough on your truck; it's a grind more than a slide, so your truck will be taking the brunt of the damage
https://youtu.be/KjOvwoExz8E?t=87
- In the slow motion part of the video you can see the tilting of the truck as it grinds crooked on the ledge, that is what you should be aiming for. If you check out the rest of his truck review videos he talks about getting the crooked grind mark, that is where you should be aiming to have your truck land during the grind.
- Foot placement on board when grinding should be in the pocket of the nose with slightly more weight on the trucks / front bolts, too much weight on the nose will cause you to stick instead of stand up on your grind.
- Stand tall your board and above the grind, the weight distribution on this trick really determines if you're going to stick have the board shoot out from under you. The more over your board (and front truck) you are on the trick, the easier it is to balance and pop out.
When exiting:
- Speed really helps with a good exit and it makes this trick so much fun. The faster you go, the timing for locking in gets trickier, but the grind and exit feel so good, especially on a nicely waxed ledge or worn in trucks.
- If you have your feet setup like I mentioned in my previous point, exiting is just a matter of nudging the board off the end slightly.
- (everyone else here can probably teach you about how to pop out mid ledge, that's a sexy trick)
I would like to add when getting into them I also make sure my shoulders are straight with my board it helps with the part rock mentioned about standing tall.
For popping out mid ledge it's just about the slightest nollie motion while pushing your front foot forward. (For me at least)
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yup, stand tall as said before, and really try to get on top on the ledge. Thats the key. Dont be lazy; really get up there and flex that front leg. You can do it!
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Thanks Pals,
Gonna try some of those suggestions this weekend and will report back.
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Nollie Flips. I don't think they're basic but a lot of people do and they don't work for me. I've practically given up on em because I get mad not knowing them and seeing how many people can do em. Nollie tres work though lol
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Trying to learn pop shuv and kickflip into manny. I’ve been practicing them going slow on flat. Any tips would be appreciated!
With trick to manny I put my pop foot closer to the bolts. This helps me with kickflip but I have not done the shiv.
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Nollie Flips. I don't think they're basic but a lot of people do and they don't work for me. I've practically given up on em because I get mad not knowing them and seeing how many people can do em. Nollie tres work though lol
I couldn't even form switch/nollie flips them for years and had written it off as a lost cause. But I finally cracked them this year and have them pretty consistent now. Not the best nollie flip for sure but they're still on the way up and I'm getting nollie fs/sw bs flips down too.
Make sure your switch ollie is decent, and practice the flicking motion just stationary, once you can vaguely form it and catch your flicking foot off the corner, the best way to go about it imo is to not worry about flipping it all the way, but just flick as properly as you can and land upside down with both feet over the board. If you can do that comfortably then its just a matter of flicking a tiny bit harder. If I could figure it after years of it not working out you definitely can too.
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Frontside pop shove its. Mine have no pop...its all scoop. Annoying. Needs more work.
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Hey Silhouette, care to dissect my 360 attempts and try to correct me?
Hey @sbmfj sorry for the late reply - my first impression watching those attempts is you're pretty much halfway there (you're starting to figure out how to properly form the trick but still need to learn how to land back on it - which, for this one, can be really disorientating at first). On most of those attempts it looks like you may not be digging into that corner of the tail enough still, so halfway through the 360 your back foot lets go of the board and you lose control over the second half of the trick - maybe exaggerate the action with the toes on the back foot even more, they should essentially be gripping the side of the board near the back wheel on the toe-side before you pop, kind of like for a 360 shove with no pop. Oddly enough even though the front foot does literally nothing on that trick I feel like its position is important too, I tend to set it up like I would for a reg stance big flip, just hugging the heel-side of the concave a bit closer with the ball of the front foot but then jumping into the trick, I really insist on scraping the tail like an impossible on the pop and kind of forget about everything front foot till the time comes to catch the board again (since it most likely will come off) and land. On one of those attempts, it looks like your front foot wants to interfere and you're basically bailing a backside 360 kickflip, which looks funny but hints at how you'll probably be able to learn that one too once your backside 360 ollies really start to click.
Also you seem to struggle to fully commit on following through the 360 with your body which is totally normal and understandable as that trick is scary as fuck to learn (at least it was to me back in the day; nowadays kids don't seem to have a problem with it) since it goes blindside, you don't see much of what's going on the whole time and if you land one wrong (e.g.. underrotated) you're super likely to slip out with all your momentum from the jump and eat shit. But I can see the board starts going ahead of you on most of those attempts about 180 degrees into the rotation (you're doing the first 180 degrees proper though), hinting at you stopping the rotation like you still have to practice a bit more and deconstruct that natural survival instinct of yours that drives you away from the board. Again, doing some backside 360 step-hops might help because I find the flow of the rotation to be the exact same, or maybe 360 powerslides but the weight distribution changes a lot as soon as you ollie so that'd really be just to get into the groove. Not saying you should overthink the ollie part of backside 360's though, when you think about it the OG way of doing them is barely an ollie-based trick at all as the front foot does literally nothing the whole time so it's just scoop and scrape.
Your third attempt is obviously the closest but you still shouldn't be landing on that truck and maybe should focus on your back leg as the sole axis for the rotation a bit more. Essentially on this trick I pretty much pretend I have no front leg for a split second as soon as I pop, till I catch the board again and then the front foot can help guide it around for a last few degrees if needed on the landing (but you shouldn't aim for that and it'll just start happening).
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So I really would love to know the secret to switch ollies and nollies. No matter how good I’m feeling I can pop both only a few inches off the ground. I set my sliding foot kinda close to the bolts but I just want to know the magic secret to make those make sense
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So I really would love to know the secret to switch ollies and nollies. No matter how good I’m feeling I can pop both only a few inches off the ground. I set my sliding foot kinda close to the bolts but I just want to know the magic secret to make those make sense
Move your sliding foot further back and concentrate on lifting your back foot up after you pop and getting a really solid slide. Also experiment with timing.
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So I really would love to know the secret to switch ollies and nollies. No matter how good I’m feeling I can pop both only a few inches off the ground. I set my sliding foot kinda close to the bolts but I just want to know the magic secret to make those make sense
Move your sliding foot further back and concentrate on lifting your back foot up after you pop and getting a really solid slide. Also experiment with timing.
I’ll give it a shot, it’s like I know I need to put my foot back further but I’ve gone 20 years not skating switch so my brain and body are sorta like “ what the fuck you doin”
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So I really would love to know the secret to switch ollies and nollies. No matter how good I’m feeling I can pop both only a few inches off the ground. I set my sliding foot kinda close to the bolts but I just want to know the magic secret to make those make sense
Move your sliding foot further back and concentrate on lifting your back foot up after you pop and getting a really solid slide. Also experiment with timing.
I'm 38 and didn't start skating switch until about 5 years ago. The thing that made nollies and switch ollies work for me was focusing on my upper body when popping. When I do any trick regular, my arms move away from my body after I pop, but with anything switch or nollie I kind of have them out already. I also don't crouch as low and my shoulders are always a lot more directly parallel to my board.
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So I really would love to know the secret to switch ollies and nollies. No matter how good I’m feeling I can pop both only a few inches off the ground. I set my sliding foot kinda close to the bolts but I just want to know the magic secret to make those make sense
Move your sliding foot further back and concentrate on lifting your back foot up after you pop and getting a really solid slide. Also experiment with timing.
I'm 38 and didn't start skating switch until about 5 years ago. The thing that made nollies and switch ollies work for me was focusing on my upper body when popping. When I do any trick regular, my arms move away from my body after I pop, but with anything switch or nollie I kind of have them out already. I also don't crouch as low and my shoulders are always a lot more directly parallel to my board.
Focusing on the dragging foot more than the popping foot really helped me get some decent Nollies today. Most of the time I do the rocket by focusing more on the pop than the drag. I can cheat my way into nollie 50-50s on low curbs but I'll definitely need to do them proper at the new park I frequent.
FS Nosegrinds? I can only do them short with a very hard pop off, never been able to do a nice long balanced one. I get its like a nose manual along the edge of the curb but it feel like my weight distribution is never right. Like I'm not standing tall enough or my weight is too far forward amd too far ahead of the truck.
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^ If you think of f/s nosegrinds as 'nosewheelie grinds' (which they really are, I know), you'll most likely encounter that problem of being off and sticking because of the new element of friction nosewheelies normally don't have, but nosegrinds do have. I think it's better to treat them like 50-50's to make sure you get on top with the right axis except you're then pushing down and ahead of you on the nose the whole time; if you're only focused on the balancing, you'll tend to forget that you're also supposed to absorb the friction, if that makes sense. Now, most skatepark boxes, angle irons and some of the slickest marble ledges produce close to zero sensible friction which makes them ideal for learning longer nosegrinds (on rough shit, those are fucked). You only really need the basic nosewheelie technique to lock into the trick (and maybe to get a proper pop out instead of falling off), otherwise the rest of the time you're working against something extra throughout the grind that you need to handle as you go, so purely thinking nosewheelie the whole time might mess you up.
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Silhouette is pretty spot on, but I feel like FS nosegrinds dont have much in common with nosewheelies. its more like when you crook a rough ledge.. you have to get that push behind it to keep the grind going against the frction.
Back nosegrinds feel more like a nosewheely but with an exagerated lean
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Silhouette is pretty spot on, but I feel like FS nosegrinds dont have much in common with nosewheelies. its more like when you crook a rough ledge.. you have to get that push behind it to keep the grind going against the frction.
Back nosegrinds feel more like a nosewheely but with an exagerated lean
Yeah i get what you mean exactly, BS Nosegrinds really feel like you're popping up and balancing on your front truck but backside, ie a nose manny on the edge of a ledge.
I was thinking about my foot position today and I have it pretty far forward, maybe just a little behind the 1st 2 front bolt to prevent me from ollie-ing too high and slamming my nose in. I have a feeling that's causing me to stick or slow plow my grind, so I'll try setting my feet up similar to a 50-50 so I don't end up too far forward.
Where is your weight / pressure during the grind relative to the front truck?
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Anyone got the juice for sw tres? Got a few today but they're a lot of effort to form and even more so to jump over it and keeping my feet in the air for long enough.
My main issues are: foot positioning feels really unstable and not sure how to distribute weight when setting up, and it goes too far in front of me (front foot in middle of the board and back foot not on the board), and it also goes too far in front of me parallel-wise too, feels like I have to hunch forward a lot which is awkward.)
Pretty comfortable going switch, got a solid switch popshuv and regular tres are super chill, kinda wanna get these to that point eventually too but theyre a big struggle right now.
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tzhangdox switch 360 flips usually come and go for me because they're only so fun while they work, then I start missing too many of them for my liking so I just do different tricks till I eventually have to essentially relearn the trick from scratch again whenever I feel like doing it again. In that sense it's a frustrating trick to keep. Whenever I want to get it back I just do them on banks first where they work and feel exactly like nollie 360 flips (which are a lot more simple and I do all the time), then once I'm back into the groove it's all a matter of replicating the same motion going forward on flat. On flat I probably set up for them exactly like I would for a nollie 360 flips except by upper body is positioned like it would be for a sw pop shove. Then it's all about that scoop. I've been doing switch impossibles for 20 years (used to be easier than regs for me) so I'm familiar with the weight distribution needed for that trick but it can be an awkward one, essentially if you keep your shoulders square and send the board in front of you like you would on regular 360 flips the same physics should apply but it can feel weird at first.
@rocklobster if you're asking me for nosegrinds I honestly can't say because I've been asked to describe the same thing on nosewheelies before and verbalized something that really didn't match with how my form on the trick looked on footage - I can't say if I'm centered over the front bolts or closer to the middle of the board. It's probably somewhere in between. What I can say for sure is the front foot pushes in front of you and does all the work whilst your back leg is the stabilizer. Here's an old clip of me doing a variation if you want to pair an illustration with my weak description for yourself:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BcVsbIWDwMS/
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tzhangdox switch 360 flips usually come and go for me because they're only so fun while they work, then I start missing too many of them for my liking so I just do different tricks till I eventually have to essentially relearn the trick from scratch again whenever I feel like doing it again. In that sense it's a frustrating trick to keep. Whenever I want to get it back I just do them on banks first where they work and feel exactly like nollie 360 flips (which are a lot more simple and I do all the time), then once I'm back into the groove it's all a matter of replicating the same motion going forward on flat. On flat I probably set up for them exactly like I would for a nollie 360 flips except by upper body is positioned like it would be for a sw pop shove. Then it's all about that scoop. I've been doing switch impossibles for 20 years (used to be easier than regs for me) so I'm familiar with the weight distribution needed for that trick but it can be an awkward one, essentially if you keep your shoulders square and send the board in front of you like you would on regular 360 flips the same physics should apply but it can feel weird at first.
@rocklobster if you're asking me for nosegrinds I honestly can't say because I've been asked to describe the same thing on nosewheelies before and verbalized something that really didn't match with how my form on the trick looked on footage - I can't say if I'm centered over the front bolts or closer to the middle of the board. It's probably somewhere in between. What I can say for sure is the front foot pushes in front of you and does all the work whilst your back leg is the stabilizer. Here's an old clip of me doing a variation if you want to pair an illustration with my weak description for yourself:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BcVsbIWDwMS/
I think my foot is definitely too far up the front of the board, gets my weight way up front and over the nose instead of over the truck. I'll give it another go next weekend when my hip is feeling better. Shalom friend.
Edit: thanks for the video, I started putting my front foot further back and it's really helped with balancing on the grind and especially the pop off. I was able to better distribute weight to push through the friction; still far from a Wenning style one but I've never felt better on this trick ever.
For some reason I lost my Crooked grinds on the tall ledge, something about the added height that's fucking up pinch and I'm not getting the weight at the right spot above the front truck.
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Switch FS pop shuvs...the only shuvit i can't really do and I don't know why, they just feel like ass and disappear way off behind me.
And BS 180s, for some reason my body just doesn't like the backside rotation...i end up doing them with a revert/slide just to sort of make it look a bit more intentional.
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Switch FS pop shuvs...the only shuvit i can't really do and I don't know why, they just feel like ass and disappear way off behind me.
And BS 180s, for some reason my body just doesn't like the backside rotation...i end up doing them with a revert/slide just to sort of make it look a bit more intentional.
thats funny, switch front shuvs are the only ones i have consitant and solid, its all in the popping foot, pretty much stright down bro, if its flying out behind you youre giving it too much sideways push.
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Yeah i think i rely too much on my front foot to try and get it round which is absolutely not how you are supposed to do them, the whole thing just feels like ass...yet another trick on the "I need to work on these" list haha.
Switch BS pop shuvs for days though, love those.
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Regular fs bluntslides are fucking me up so bad.
I did a couple but I never got to the point where I am confident in doing the trick.
Once I get in it is a like a lottery. The slide is all over the place, I slip out in all sorts of directions or just stick.
It is probably all in my head though.
Anybody know some mind trickery to fool oneself into properly locked sliding position?
Cheers
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I am not really consistent with front blunts on ledges either but for me it is much easier if I don't go parallel but angled. You can basically stall against it then. It makes it easier to hit the curb right and lock in. The slide comes from slightly over rotating and leaning really into it.
Saw a guy once who just went almost frontal to the ledges and was not even going fast and was front blunting the whole ledge every try. Tried it and it kind of worked for me to get that lock in right.
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How the hell do you pole jam ? Local diy has a mellow one that’s not super long but I just can’t crack the code. Do I ram into it like a slappy? Do I sorta do a little manny when I get to it? Who knows. What’s the secret?
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How the hell do you pole jam ? Local diy has a mellow one that’s not super long but I just can’t crack the code. Do I ram into it like a slappy? Do I sorta do a little manny when I get to it? Who knows. What’s the secret?
The way I always looked at it is like this. Your jumping over it and the polejam brings the board up to your feet. Like a real lightweight Wallie.
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Never had a clue about how to do any bluntslide tricks. I guess specifically I’ve never understood how to throw the board kinda rocket and land on the wheels.
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Never had a clue about how to do any bluntslide tricks. I guess specifically I’ve never understood how to throw the board kinda rocket and land on the wheels.
just think of it like a tailslide on the vertical part of the ledge
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I want to tail block desperately.
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Nollie bs nosegrind. I tried 72 of them today and missed them all except landing unintentional nollie crooks a few times.
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I hve a ridiculously hard time lokcing into nollie nose slide so I envy your nollie crooks, even tho your going for the nosegrind.
@silhouette, as always, thanks again for the in depth 360 analysis. Shits tuff. I keep trying a few every time I go out, i tend to get alittle dizzy after trying too many in a row, so might take me a little longer to get the trick.
I sincerly appreciate your feedback (and feebback from anyone else).
Been trying hardflip too. Having a hard time (lol, hard time with hard flips, who figured) with the ol back foot. Seems to work better when I keep my back straight. Try some more tonight if I make it out.
Take care boys.
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I hve a ridiculously hard time lokcing into nollie nose slide so I envy your nollie crooks, even tho your going for the nosegrind.
@silhouette, as always, thanks again for the in depth 360 analysis. Shits tuff. I keep trying a few every time I go out, i tend to get alittle dizzy after trying too many in a row, so might take me a little longer to get the trick.
I sincerly appreciate your feedback (and feebback from anyone else).
Been trying hardflip too. Having a hard time (lol, hard time with hard flips, who figured) with the ol back foot. Seems to work better when I keep my back straight. Try some more tonight if I make it out.
Take care boys.
Yeah my pleasure. Backside 360 ollie on flat was a tough one to figure out for me honestly, one of those tricks I worked on really hard to get to look like I wanted back in the day (no revert bullshit although at the time it was kinda trendier to revert) and probably the one I ate shit on the most too, landing 270 and slipping out the wrong way with the force of all your momentum can fucking suck. Gotta really focus on making the board go past that point and spin the full 360 by guiding it around with your toe so that that particular type of mistake has as little chance as possible of happening, then it gets a bit less scary to focus on actually landing back on the trick. Can't remember whether or not I covered that but staying in control also has to do with figuring out where to look during the whole trick too since it's such a blind one at first. On footage I can tell I'm already looking backwards by the time my tail hits the ground (meaning that your torso really has to get ahead of the trick) and then you get to watch the board under your feet the whole time. If the board gets ahead of you instead then it's game over.
I've been doing hardflips a lot lately (kind of weirds me out because as a kid those were never really my forte), it's one of those tricks you can feel whether or not you're set up correctly for the board to flip right before you even pop, you can sense it in the tension on the concave in a way. Back foot placement on this one for me is exactly the one of a 360 flip (I do my regular stance frontside flips from the same position too but that kind of makes people tick) except I pop straight down and only so slightly frontside, the pressure over the toe side back wheel makes the concave stick to my front foot so that it can really drag the board to my right side (I'm goofy). The flick is kinda weird because it has little to do with the one of kickflips where you flick off the nose more and going diagonal only results in bad form, here you have to force yourself to control that motion which is a bit unpractical at first, then again my hardflips are of the kind that looks like a frontside varial kickflip so maybe don't listen to me if you want to get vertical ones.
I can nollie front nose quite easily but nollie back nose terrifies me on tall stuff so as far as I'm concerned I kind of envy those too. I can usually pop a good nollie and float over the edge but then I'm just paranoid my front foot will slip off and get sandwiched in between the nose of my board and the edge of the ledge if I commit to locking in on anything that's bigger than a curb. Stupid mental block thing.
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Facing a huge mental block with BS 5-0 on a medium tall ledge, I could do them no problems in a lower ledge back before lockdown. I can BS 50 and nosegrind it consistently but my mind just blanks out when it comes to back truck tricks, I end up not popping or rocketing my Ollie too much. Really regret not working on more BS tricks when I was younger.
And my extension stuff that needs you rolling backside to the ledge like FS 1/2 cab noseslides.
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Facing a huge mental block with BS 5-0 on a medium tall ledge, I could do them no problems in a lower ledge back before lockdown. I can BS 50 and nosegrind it consistently but my mind just blanks out when it comes to back truck tricks, I end up not popping or rocketing my Ollie too much. Really regret not working on more BS tricks when I was younger.
And my extension stuff that needs you rolling backside to the ledge like FS 1/2 cab noseslides.
Fs half cab noseslides are not mechanically difficult, just super awkward but once you get used to the weird motion, they're not too bad with practice. Roll up to the ledge parallel ish, but with some angle. Look at the ledge as you roll up, but as you get ready to pop be ready to turn fully blind. As soon as you pop, you want to turn your whole body blind, look at your back foot and aim it onto the ledge into the noseslide. By that point you should feel like you're fully sliding backwards. Super weird but its mostly figuring out timing and spacing, as well as looking forward when rolling up but completely going blind the moment you pop.
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Facing a huge mental block with BS 5-0 on a medium tall ledge, I could do them no problems in a lower ledge back before lockdown. I can BS 50 and nosegrind it consistently but my mind just blanks out when it comes to back truck tricks, I end up not popping or rocketing my Ollie too much. Really regret not working on more BS tricks when I was younger.
And my extension stuff that needs you rolling backside to the ledge like FS 1/2 cab noseslides.
Fs half cab noseslides are not mechanically difficult, just super awkward but once you get used to the weird motion, they're not too bad with practice. Roll up to the ledge parallel ish, but with some angle. Look at the ledge as you roll up, but as you get ready to pop be ready to turn fully blind. As soon as you pop, you want to turn your whole body blind, look at your back foot and aim it onto the ledge into the noseslide. By that point you should feel like you're fully sliding backwards. Super weird but its mostly figuring out timing and spacing, as well as looking forward when rolling up but completely going blind the moment you pop.
Aye thanks @tzhangdox ! I only realized that eye point is so important in skateboarding, where you look is where you will land up. I'll give those a short on a low ledge this week for a start. I think I have that same problem with my BS 5-0 I think my eyes are focused too far ahead so no problem getting my front truck, not being able to see my back truck is preventing me from committing to it on the ledge.
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Facing a huge mental block with BS 5-0 on a medium tall ledge, I could do them no problems in a lower ledge back before lockdown. I can BS 50 and nosegrind it consistently but my mind just blanks out when it comes to back truck tricks, I end up not popping or rocketing my Ollie too much. Really regret not working on more BS tricks when I was younger.
And my extension stuff that needs you rolling backside to the ledge like FS 1/2 cab noseslides.
Fs half cab noseslides are not mechanically difficult, just super awkward but once you get used to the weird motion, they're not too bad with practice. Roll up to the ledge parallel ish, but with some angle. Look at the ledge as you roll up, but as you get ready to pop be ready to turn fully blind. As soon as you pop, you want to turn your whole body blind, look at your back foot and aim it onto the ledge into the noseslide. By that point you should feel like you're fully sliding backwards. Super weird but its mostly figuring out timing and spacing, as well as looking forward when rolling up but completely going blind the moment you pop.
Aye thanks @tzhangdox ! I only realized that eye point is so important in skateboarding, where you look is where you will land up. I'll give those a short on a low ledge this week for a start. I think I have that same problem with my BS 5-0 I think my eyes are focused too far ahead so no problem getting my front truck, not being able to see my back truck is preventing me from committing to it on the ledge.
If the ledge is too low its easy to overshoot that trick into a boardslide. But yeah, where you look is important. For back 5-0s, as soon as you pop, try to look at your back truck/foot. I dont do them much but when I do it definitely helps.
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Facing a huge mental block with BS 5-0 on a medium tall ledge, I could do them no problems in a lower ledge back before lockdown. I can BS 50 and nosegrind it consistently but my mind just blanks out when it comes to back truck tricks, I end up not popping or rocketing my Ollie too much. Really regret not working on more BS tricks when I was younger.
And my extension stuff that needs you rolling backside to the ledge like FS 1/2 cab noseslides.
Fs half cab noseslides are not mechanically difficult, just super awkward but once you get used to the weird motion, they're not too bad with practice. Roll up to the ledge parallel ish, but with some angle. Look at the ledge as you roll up, but as you get ready to pop be ready to turn fully blind. As soon as you pop, you want to turn your whole body blind, look at your back foot and aim it onto the ledge into the noseslide. By that point you should feel like you're fully sliding backwards. Super weird but its mostly figuring out timing and spacing, as well as looking forward when rolling up but completely going blind the moment you pop.
this is going to sound weird but when I do fakie frontside noseslides I pretend like I’m doing switch a nollie backtail. Sounds silly but that’s how I trick my body into doing it...
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Facing a huge mental block with BS 5-0 on a medium tall ledge, I could do them no problems in a lower ledge back before lockdown. I can BS 50 and nosegrind it consistently but my mind just blanks out when it comes to back truck tricks, I end up not popping or rocketing my Ollie too much. Really regret not working on more BS tricks when I was younger.
And my extension stuff that needs you rolling backside to the ledge like FS 1/2 cab noseslides.
Fs half cab noseslides are not mechanically difficult, just super awkward but once you get used to the weird motion, they're not too bad with practice. Roll up to the ledge parallel ish, but with some angle. Look at the ledge as you roll up, but as you get ready to pop be ready to turn fully blind. As soon as you pop, you want to turn your whole body blind, look at your back foot and aim it onto the ledge into the noseslide. By that point you should feel like you're fully sliding backwards. Super weird but its mostly figuring out timing and spacing, as well as looking forward when rolling up but completely going blind the moment you pop.
Question: what if I can't nollie back tail?
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Oh shit &#129322;
Landed 3 today, commit to the pop and focus on the rotation. Landed it just before the storm came, very shalom.
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Dope, nollie back tails are a lot of fun!
Now just pretend your doing them switch for the half cab front nose🤔
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Dope, nollie back tails are a lot of fun!
Now just pretend your doing them switch for the half cab front nose&#129300;
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Dope, nollie back tails are a lot of fun!
Now just pretend your doing them switch for the half cab front nose&#129300;
I’ll try this and if it doesn’t work, I won’t be surprised. I’m not very good but I’m gonna be mad haha
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Dope, nollie back tails are a lot of fun!
Now just pretend your doing them switch for the half cab front nose&#38;#38;#129300;
Nollie back tail shuvit is actually easier cause you just push your foot through the slide and then you shuffle you front foot back slightly and the board usually just pops out. I think to fakie is harder and to regular is the hardest.
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Dope, nollie back tails are a lot of fun!
Now just pretend your doing them switch for the half cab front nose&#129300;
lol what I mean by that statement is don’t think of them as front half cabbing into a front nose slide, especially if you want to come out to fakie, it’s the same movement as a nollie back tail, just switch (which sounds stupid in writing but is really what made them click in my head)
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Can someone explain to me how that no comply flip thing up curbs works? I’ve wanted to learn them since seeing Mike Rusczyk do one in his art bars part. No idea what kind of witchcraft is going on there.
3:28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEDEMT4v9B4&feature=share
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Can someone explain to me how that no comply flip thing up curbs works? I’ve wanted to learn them since seeing Mike Rusczyk do one in his art bars part. No idea what kind of witchcraft is going on there.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEDEMT4v9B4&feature=share
Its not a straight no comply you make the board to a slight front shuv. The one wheel hitting the curb or whatever instead of both at the same time is what makes it flip.
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Can someone explain to me how that no comply flip thing up curbs works? I’ve wanted to learn them since seeing Mike Rusczyk do one in his art bars part. No idea what kind of witchcraft is going on there.
3:28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEDEMT4v9B4&feature=share
Its not a straight no comply you make the board to a slight front shuv. The one wheel hitting the curb or whatever instead of both at the same time is what makes it flip.
Magic, got it.
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Can someone explain to me how that no comply flip thing up curbs works? I’ve wanted to learn them since seeing Mike Rusczyk do one in his art bars part. No idea what kind of witchcraft is going on there.
You do it exactly how you would do a no-comply up or over a curb (where the tail smacks the curb) but instead of having your back foot cover the whole tail, you use your toes to apply more pressure over the toe-side pocket of the tail. Because of the extra pressure, that part of the tail will smack the curb first (it's subtle) and once you let go of the board instead of jumping with it, because of the rebound it will flip like a kickflip. Basically without the flip you want your back foot centered to eliminate the rebound, whereas with the flip you're deliberately aiming for the rebound.
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bs tails. i can do them and ive filmed a few (just iphone shit) but i always either stick immediately or slip out.
tragic
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bs tails. i can do them and ive filmed a few (just iphone shit) but i always either stick immediately or slip out.
tragic
Try to put yur feet in a slight duck stance - back foot with toes pointed more towards the tail and heel lil higher up, and then same for front foot - just opposite of back (toes toward the nose. I find it can help a lil bit. When you wind up and ollie into the BSTS, flex your abs to try and make your whole upper rock solid and that might help. Look forward too. Youll get it.
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Axel stalls. fakie tail stall on quarters.
basically any quarter trick that involves me getting on top of it. growing up skating the East Coast in late 90's/00's we had no parks, didnt have a friend with a miniramp. so my transition skills never developed. skated ledges, manny pads, gaps, flat ground, etc.
I can pop nice kickflips to fakie, nollie bs 180 and fs 180 , nollie bs disaster , nollie bs smith, but if I try to actually put my self on top of the quarter its just awkward as hell . I can slash 5050s/ 5-0's / bs smith etc. but can't train myself to stand up on them properly , always feel like I'm gonna slip out. Partly due to the small quarter at our park being pretty steep and there being no mellow transition , and the rest due to me feeling completely off balance when trying to reposition myself on top of tricks on coping.
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360 flips. Park got rained out so we skated a flatland spot with smooth flooring. Never been able to do them except for 1 day 15 years ago. Managed to roll away with 6 out of 50 today. @silhouette's trick tips really helped, when I went 90% focus on my back door I was much more likely to have a nice flip and at least land on the grip before slipping out. If anyone has any tips for not landing with your feet too close let me know
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Nollies fakie ollies over things always mess the timing up and have my deck hitting whatever im trying to get over.
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Backside 180 to switch manual. I don't know if it's basic, but feels like it shouldn't be this fucking hard.
I can't front tail for shit on ledges or transition. No way I'll ever do a front lip on a flat bar ever.
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360 flips. Park got rained out so we skated a flatland spot with smooth flooring. Never been able to do them except for 1 day 15 years ago. Managed to roll away with 6 out of 50 today. @silhouette's trick tips really helped, when I went 90% focus on my back door I was much more likely to have a nice flip and at least land on the grip before slipping out. If anyone has any tips for not landing with your feet too close let me know
Aside from scooping directly underneath me(which is a pretty base level tip), I grip the board with my toes inside my shoe when I scoop, so it pops super high and looks tweaked. This also makes the scoop more consistent. To catch it clean midair I put my front foot a bit higher on the board and put more weight than usual in it so it also flicks and catches kalis like.
The other tip people might tell you is to put a lot more potential energy in your back ankle rather than your back foot. This is how you get that stanky leg tre (ew). I prefer to keep the weight in my foot to get that crazy good pop and catch but skatings all subjective.
Don’t forget to jump straight up and slightly out or else you might land on the nose or miss the board entirely. If you keep landing on the nose it’s because you’re jumping forward instead of up and out. (Forward being the way you’re rolling, and out being in front of you)This also comes from messing up your shoulders and can usually be attributed to scooping so hard, non commitment, or fatigue. Focus on getting a super clean scoop and isolating the fuck out of your shoulders when you jump.
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360 flips. Park got rained out so we skated a flatland spot with smooth flooring. Never been able to do them except for 1 day 15 years ago. Managed to roll away with 6 out of 50 today. @silhouette's trick tips really helped, when I went 90% focus on my back door I was much more likely to have a nice flip and at least land on the grip before slipping out. If anyone has any tips for not landing with your feet too close let me know
The other tip people might tell you is to put a lot more potential energy in your back ankle rather than your back foot. This is how you get that stanky leg tre (ew). I prefer to keep the weight in my foot to get that crazy good pop and catch but skatings all subjective.
Don’t forget to jump straight up and slightly out or else you might land on the nose or miss the board entirely. If you keep landing on the nose it’s because you’re jumping forward instead of up and out. (Forward being the way you’re rolling, and out being in front of you)This also comes from messing up your shoulders and can usually be attributed to scooping so hard, non commitment, or fatigue. Focus on getting a super clean scoop and isolating the fuck out of your shoulders when you jump.
Thanks for the tips, the 1 I have recorded my shoulder are somewhat pointing forward, in-line with the board. I am hunching over a lot. I noticed that even before I pop my board has already started rotating the 360 shove motion, and it looks like the board is even rolling ahead of me. The ground was very slick so getting nice and stable in preparation was a challenge too. Skinny Bones V3 in STF had me slipping all over the place.
Gear aside, I'll focus on the shove and where I jump - slightly out and up
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I'm stoked you got some, yeah the feet together thing is a sign that you're in the process of overcoming your reflex of not catching the board but still too uncertain about the rotation to really stomp it. Sounds like you're past the 'under-rotated varial kickflip body varial-looking hybrid' phase that some people go through when they're still trying to find their scoop, but you still need to find the exact right scoop that works for you.
Back ankle is a good tip, personally when I do them (with pop, never been interested in the lazy ones) on footage it looks like my whole back leg sways to the side, it shouldn't feel like brute force though, I also do second jumping straight up but not necessarily out as ideally you shouldn't have to compensate for the board ever leaving its axis, instead I'd recommend trying to keep it under you with a somewhat vertical pop, then your front foot can just drag it upwards and then flick in the continuity of the motion as you essentially sit over the trick (as opposed to being hunched over it).
Definitely keep those shoulders in check (isolating them is a good way to put it actually) and focus on getting the full 360 of the board before you really think about the flip. It's actually easier on slick ground (making such spots a good place to work on that trick), on rougher terrain you really need to insist on pushing the board into the 360 a bit more.
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I'm stoked you got some, yeah the feet together thing is a sign that you're in the process of overcoming your reflex of not catching the board but still too uncertain about the rotation to really stomp it. Sounds like you're past the 'under-rotated varial kickflip body varial-looking hybrid' phase that some people go through when they're still trying to find their scoop, but you still need to find the exact right scoop that works for you.
Back ankle is a good tip, personally when I do them (with pop, never been interested in the lazy ones) on footage it looks like my whole back leg sways to the side, it shouldn't feel like brute force though, I also do second jumping straight up but not necessarily out as ideally you shouldn't have to compensate for the board ever leaving its axis, instead I'd recommend trying to keep it under you with a somewhat vertical pop, then your front foot can just drag it upwards and then flick in the continuity of the motion as you essentially sit over the trick (as opposed to being hunched over it).
Definitely keep those shoulders in check (isolating them is a good way to put it actually) and focus on getting the full 360 of the board before you really think about the flip. It's actually easier on slick ground (making such spots a good place to work on that trick), on rougher terrain you really need to insist on pushing the board into the 360 a bit more.
Advice was definitely helpful, I forced myself to keep my shoulders straight and aligned with the board, catching was definitely easier. Took me 20 tries to land 5 instead of 50 from yesterday. My arms were swinging pretty wildly mid trick, the footage will attest to that. I think I may have even dabbed at 1 point.
I still need the assist of a smooth floor, could not get the round on rougher skatepark ground.
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Noseslide to krooks coming along. Can slide and grind but cant seem to pop out or revert out. Its my shoulders, or lack of them turning. Try some more later on this week.
Have a good one boys.
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Frontside pop shove its. Mine have no pop...its all scoop. Annoying. Needs more work.
I have never been able to do a f shuv. Can do them switch and nollie tho
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Frontside pop shove its. Mine have no pop...its all scoop. Annoying. Needs more work.
I have never been able to do a f shuv. Can do them switch and nollie tho
Got this tip on the Slap forum,. and it works wonders.
Back foot on tip of tail, centered, tap down hard, straight down, no scoop.
Should work.
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Frontside pop shove its. Mine have no pop...its all scoop. Annoying. Needs more work.
I have never been able to do a f shuv. Can do them switch and nollie tho
Got this tip on the Slap forum,. and it works wonders.
Back foot on tip of tail, centered, tap down hard, straight down, no scoop.
Should work.
Good luck
This is what I always hear and people swear by it. Im still terrible at them but it definitely works
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Nollies fakie ollies over things always mess the timing up and have my deck hitting whatever im trying to get over.
You said it tho, it's just timing. You got that easy. I practiced nollie over shit over cracks in the road. Stil had my board pop right into the crack plenty but way less intimidating than nollie up the curb or over yer flat bar. I also use my back shoulder to like pull up my nollie over shit.
So it's just timing. Practice an yer there.
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First post here. Don’t really have any knowledge to share but I’m hoping you guys can help me out. My kickflip almost always goes behind me, where I land with my heels on the board. I have tried leaning back, jumping back, keeping my shoulders straight, jumping higher, etc etc forever. Any ideas here? Thank you!
https://youtu.be/Uv2ypRYUUFs
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First post here. Don’t really have any knowledge to share but I’m hoping you guys can help me out. My kickflip almost always goes behind me, where I land with my heels on the board. I have tried leaning back, jumping back, keeping my shoulders straight, jumping higher, etc etc forever. Any ideas here? Thank you!
https://youtu.be/Uv2ypRYUUFs
try em rolling, kickflips are way harder stationary.
it looks like you have the basic mechanics of the trick down, just try to jump more - get them shoulders up high, suck up your knees and the board should follow.
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Did not know that! Will definitely give it a go rolling tonight. Thanks my dude.
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First post here. Don’t really have any knowledge to share but I’m hoping you guys can help me out. My kickflip almost always goes behind me, where I land with my heels on the board. I have tried leaning back, jumping back, keeping my shoulders straight, jumping higher, etc etc forever. Any ideas here? Thank you!
https://youtu.be/Uv2ypRYUUFs
try em rolling, kickflips are way harder stationary.
it looks like you have the basic mechanics of the trick down, just try to jump more - get them shoulders up high, suck up your knees and the board should follow.
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Try and keep your head over your board, bend straight down instead of leaning off the side. Doing them rolling will help as you won't have that option so much as you'll be facing forward instead of sideways. But if you're not comfortable rolling then try and position your body as if you were.
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Will definitely give that a go and try to keep my head above the board tonight. Hoping some attempts with some speed will get this shit sorted out. Thanks!
Try and keep your head over your board, bend straight down instead of leaning off the side. Doing them rolling will help as you won't have that option so much as you'll be facing forward instead of sideways. But if you're not comfortable rolling then try and position your body as if you were.
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Will definitely give that a go and try to keep my head above the board tonight. Hoping some attempts with some speed will get this shit sorted out. Thanks!
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Try and keep your head over your board, bend straight down instead of leaning off the side. Doing them rolling will help as you won't have that option so much as you'll be facing forward instead of sideways. But if you're not comfortable rolling then try and position your body as if you were.
didn't see your footplacement, but you seem to flick out to the side much. you can try and have your board more like an ollie position and kick it more towards the nose. that might help with the board flipping towards your back. you're almost there anyways, when you roll, as the poster above me said, it will be easier to keep the board under you. learning to flick the board off the nose can help you control the flick better. when it becomes second nature it will feel almost similar to an ollie and you would have your feet set up almost the same way. if you just keep your toes on your board, you will have a less controlled flick, less time and area to drag the board up. you don't want to just kick or shove the board to the side with your foot. if you learn this the trick will become much easier. the same applies to heelflips to some extent, except footplacement i'd say, but for many one or the other just feels more natural to do.
jeremy wray is the best example of the technique i am describing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYaZ1c1lMsg
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Solid advice. I’ve had way less front foot on the board than that video’s placement. Will definitely try this out and report back. Thanks for all the input here homies!
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Will definitely give that a go and try to keep my head above the board tonight. Hoping some attempts with some speed will get this shit sorted out. Thanks!
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Try and keep your head over your board, bend straight down instead of leaning off the side. Doing them rolling will help as you won't have that option so much as you'll be facing forward instead of sideways. But if you're not comfortable rolling then try and position your body as if you were.
didn't see your footplacement, but you seem to flick out to the side much. you can try and have your board more like an ollie position and kick it more towards the nose. that might help with the board flipping towards your back. you're almost there anyways, when you roll, as the poster above me said, it will be easier to keep the board under you. learning to flick the board off the nose can help you control the flick better. when it becomes second nature it will feel almost similar to an ollie and you would have your feet set up almost the same way. if you just keep your toes on your board, you will have a less controlled flick, less time and area to drag the board up. you don't want to just kick or shove the board to the side with your foot. if you learn this the trick will become much easier. the same applies to heelflips to some extent, except footplacement i'd say, but for many one or the other just feels more natural to do.
jeremy wray is the best example of the technique i am describing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYaZ1c1lMsg
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Solid advice. I’ve had way less front foot on the board than that video’s placement. Will definitely try this out and report back. Thanks for all the input here homies!
you're welcome, bud. just one thing about jeremy wray, he was/is notorious for having A LOT of foot on his board for his kickflips, like exaggeratedly so. you want to adapt to something you feel comfortable with and what works for you. there is no need to copy exactly what he does, but you can see in the video how having more dragging surface helps mr wray maintain a smooth flow of movement during the trick. the trick is in finding the right pocket of the nose to flick out of, until then you basically ollie.
good luck and have fun learning, having a comfy kickflip is one of the best things to have. i, too, have to readjust how i do em when i haven't skated in a while or skate unfamiliar shapes, but there's no better feeling then catching a nice level kickflip, even if it wasn't super high.
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Anyone have the secret sauce on heelflips? I can kickflip consistently but I can't for the life of me do heelflips.
1) board rockets and 1/2 flips, almost credit card myself
2) board doesn't pop off the ground
3) board pops and I'm 1/2 a foot in front of the deck
I had shitty ones in my youth, nothing substantial or solid enough to try down gaps or in SKATE. I think I've landed more fluke Switch Heels than regular heelflips in the last year.
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Anyone have the secret sauce on heelflips? I can kickflip consistently but I can't for the life of me do heelflips.
1) board rockets and 1/2 flips, almost credit card myself
2) board doesn't pop off the ground
3) board pops and I'm 1/2 a foot in front of the deck
I had shitty ones in my youth, nothing substantial or solid enough to try down gaps or in SKATE. I think I've landed more fluke Switch Heels than regular heelflips in the last year.
EDIT: jeremy wray actually does a really good heelflip explanation above your post
works best when i treat it like a one foot and for some reason i find them easier down small stuff. so my flickfoot toes hang off and my pop foot is a little towards my back. a little bit how you would set up for a fs shove, but i pop more or less straight, slight bs tilt maybe.
for 1) it might work to actually drag your flick foot up a little earlier than for an ollie or kickflip so the board doesn't really come up as vertical anyways. and focus on flicking off over the nose to further level it down.
2) that dead pop probably comes from the backfoot placement. i think it's harder to pop a heelflip like an ollie or kickflip. gotta be really on your toes for the pop. something about the way of the flick and how you set up for it can make the setup weird and wonky since you most likely only are flatfooted with the flickfoot and on your toes with your popfoot and all tension evaporates the moment you want to pop off and then you hippy jump off basically. i would experiment with backfoot placement and weight distribution. you probably lean forward a bit too much in those cases, too.
3) probably didn't catch much surface dragging the board forward with your flick foot and focus too much on kicking it out to flip it.
my first goal would be to get them to flip em leveled slightly in front of me. don't even commit, just try and flick em like you pretend you are neen a little bit. the cool thing is you can't really get credit carded this way. i think it's way more important to get the level flip down, even if it's too slow at first, just so it doesn't fuck with your head cuz of the credit card thing. i'd rather land a leveled heelflip primo than get credit carded. what also helped me is basically aim for something to flick it at if that makes sense, even if i had to imagine that thing. helps with flicking off the nose. and tilting my pop bs slightly helps me personally to avoid it to wipe out into a half assed varial heel. if you get it to flip nicely and basically have no rocketing anymore, it should be super easy to commit. i sometimes have days tho when nothing goes and i have all these problems, too.
my basic trick that pisses me off is the regular fs 180, which i dislike compared to sw 180. takes me a lot of effort to do a good one. sw ones are way more fun and feel more natural for whatever reason. i am trying to get better at fs ollies to finally(!) learn fs flips, but i don't really enjoy doing them. maybe they become more fun when i do them up and over stuff, i should try that maybe. i only fs ollie to change stance mid skating basically, but would probably rather bs nollie in a line.
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Anyone have the secret sauce on heelflips? I can kickflip consistently but I can't for the life of me do heelflips.
Well, you need to kick out properly to level out your board and give it space to flip, but that's obvious sauce. The secret sauce for me is that I also use my ankle to flip it. What I mean is that I tip my flicking foot straight down like a ballet dancer to help get a consistent flip. Think of it kinda like people do late flips. With this technique, I can do a shitty heelflip without kicking out at all. Figure out how to flick your foot against the rail of the board first to get the flip, then add more of a kick later when you wanna go popping 'em over homeless people, etc.
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Thanks everyone. I like to visualize of both heel and kickflips are striking a match to ignition. Dragging your foot up the grip is you running the match across the surface, the flick of your toe / heel is snapping the match head to get the chemical reaction going.
Edit: I'm definitely not committing to the pop or the drag, doing a mob heelflip. I'll check my popping foot position and commit to every one.
I was wondering if there are exercises that could be used to get used to the motion of heelflips. I've been using elastic bands on my ankles to practice the flicking motion of my kickflips with great results. I wonder if there are "in-chair" exercises that you can practice at home to get the ankle familiar in kicking that way.
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I feel that the best way to warm up heel flips is to do them Fakie.
Fakie heel is my 2nd strongest of the straight 8.
On my very best days now I'm old I like Fakie heel Fakie nose grind forward.
On a very very good day sw front shuv. I wish someone would trade me a little ledge / manny pad for my shot gun rail.
I would be trying to do shit I've never done like front big spin out of the Fakie heel Fakie nose grind.
My manny pad goal is get a bs flip Fakie manny in Lynn in traffic.
I got a tripod
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Just wanted to say thank you for everyone chiming in on my kickflip probs. Really do appreciate the help. I went to work on them last night and noticed some good changes with keeping my head above the board, and putting more of my front foot on the board definitely gave me a more consistent flick and flip and what felt like more control. Doing them rolling also helped keep them under me quite a bit.
Unfortunately I was a few tries in and I felt a tear in my upper thigh groin region on my back leg, and had to pack it up. I have some kind of awful rip in the muscle of my popping leg’s groin. This is a problem I’ve had since I started skating a few months ago. Currently icing it and being fucking annoyed... When my body gets over this, I will perfect these goddamn kickflips, no matter what. Until then!
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Just wanted to say thank you for everyone chiming in on my kickflip probs. Really do appreciate the help. I went to work on them last night and noticed some good changes with keeping my head above the board, and putting more of my front foot on the board definitely gave me a more consistent flick and flip and what felt like more control. Doing them rolling also helped keep them under me quite a bit.
Unfortunately I was a few tries in and I felt a tear in my upper thigh groin region on my back leg, and had to pack it up. I have some kind of awful rip in the muscle of my popping leg’s groin. This is a problem I’ve had since I started skating a few months ago. Currently icing it and being fucking annoyed... When my body gets over this, I will perfect these goddamn kickflips, no matter what. Until then!
Jesus, I'm sorry to hear about the groin, nothing like an injury to sideline your progress. I'm a huge advocate for rehab exercises with elastic bands and stuff, check out Dr Kyle Brown (https://www.instagram.com/dr.kylebrown/) for some stuff you can do from your desk or sofa. Not to sound like a nag but a proper rehab ensure you can come back stronger and less prone to injuries in the future. Take it from me, my shitty ankles and countless other dudes who rushed out to skate instead of letting their body heal up fully.
BS 180 Nosegrinds - I'm learning I need to actually pop into this trick and can't just scoop into it. Actually popping in gets my nose and front truck above the ledge, scoop only gets me into a shitty FS noseslide. Still working out the weight distribution, I'm too much over the truck and and looking forward enough so I can't control the grind and exit.
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Thanks man! Will definitely check that guy out. I actually start physical therapy next week, to try to get this shit sorted out so I can keep progressing. Really hoping that will get me strong enough to keep at it. I am with you on the importance of recovery though, I probably could have fixed this a few months ago if I had taken enough of a break to actually allow it to heal. Lesson learned, kind of!
One more for you guys. I can do bs 180’s fakie, but I can’t keep the board under me for regular bs 180’s. Is it just a commitment thing? I can do fs 180’s reg and fakie, but the backside ones just aren’t happening for me. Maybe I should find a noob thread for this stuff. The title implies I can do anything more than a few basic ass tricks haha...
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Just wanted to say thank you for everyone chiming in on my kickflip probs. Really do appreciate the help. I went to work on them last night and noticed some good changes with keeping my head above the board, and putting more of my front foot on the board definitely gave me a more consistent flick and flip and what felt like more control. Doing them rolling also helped keep them under me quite a bit.
Unfortunately I was a few tries in and I felt a tear in my upper thigh groin region on my back leg, and had to pack it up. I have some kind of awful rip in the muscle of my popping leg’s groin. This is a problem I’ve had since I started skating a few months ago. Currently icing it and being fucking annoyed... When my body gets over this, I will perfect these goddamn kickflips, no matter what. Until then!
Jesus, I'm sorry to hear about the groin, nothing like an injury to sideline your progress. I'm a huge advocate for rehab exercises with elastic bands and stuff, check out Dr Kyle Brown (https://www.instagram.com/dr.kylebrown/) for some stuff you can do from your desk or sofa. Not to sound like a nag but a proper rehab ensure you can come back stronger and less prone to injuries in the future. Take it from me, my shitty ankles and countless other dudes who rushed out to skate instead of letting their body heal up fully.
BS 180 Nosegrinds - I'm learning I need to actually pop into this trick and can't just scoop into it. Actually popping in gets my nose and front truck above the ledge, scoop only gets me into a shitty FS noseslide. Still working out the weight distribution, I'm too much over the truck and and looking forward enough so I can't control the grind and exit.
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Thanks everyone. I like to visualize of both heel and kickflips are striking a match to ignition. Dragging your foot up the grip is you running the match across the surface, the flick of your toe / heel is snapping the match head to get the chemical reaction going.
Edit: I'm definitely not committing to the pop or the drag, doing a mob heelflip. I'll check my popping foot position and commit to every one.
I was wondering if there are exercises that could be used to get used to the motion of heelflips. I've been using elastic bands on my ankles to practice the flicking motion of my kickflips with great results. I wonder if there are "in-chair" exercises that you can practice at home to get the ankle familiar in kicking that way.
Re Heelflips - park got rained out so I spent some time working on heelflips. They are definitely a finesse trick as opposed to a power trick like kickflips. I feel for heelflips you have to really get that good drag on the side of your shoe / foot and kick off the pocket. I spent some time focusing on my ollie - popping low and level with the heel / lower 50% of the shoe (everything from the instep down). It did help somewhat to get the dragging motion but my timing was still off.
Strangely doing them switch I had way more success. A guy at the park told me to focus on the drag (similar to to regular) and you have to feel your foot get the strong dragging action before the flick. What really helped was having you heel on the inside of the concave, within the outer edge of your deck. That helped the flick a lot.
I'll keep blasting them, I think I can get them this weekend.
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Thanks everyone. I like to visualize of both heel and kickflips are striking a match to ignition. Dragging your foot up the grip is you running the match across the surface, the flick of your toe / heel is snapping the match head to get the chemical reaction going.
Edit: I'm definitely not committing to the pop or the drag, doing a mob heelflip. I'll check my popping foot position and commit to every one.
I was wondering if there are exercises that could be used to get used to the motion of heelflips. I've been using elastic bands on my ankles to practice the flicking motion of my kickflips with great results. I wonder if there are "in-chair" exercises that you can practice at home to get the ankle familiar in kicking that way.
Re Heelflips - park got rained out so I spent some time working on heelflips. They are definitely a finesse trick as opposed to a power trick like kickflips. I feel for heelflips you have to really get that good drag on the side of your shoe / foot and kick off the pocket. I spent some time focusing on my ollie - popping low and level with the heel / lower 50% of the shoe (everything from the instep down). It did help somewhat to get the dragging motion but my timing was still off.
Strangely doing them switch I had way more success. A guy at the park told me to focus on the drag (similar to to regular) and you have to feel your foot get the strong dragging action before the flick. What really helped was having you heel on the inside of the concave, within the outer edge of your deck. That helped the flick a lot.
I'll keep blasting them, I think I can get them this weekend.
yeah, i find this to be true, switch for some reason even more so than regs.
@Jurfin
shoulders are imo the most important part of bs 180s. they dictate basically where your legs will go. your legs job is to keep those truck bolts under your shoulders or at least your decks axis parallel to your shoulders. learning bs pivots can help immensely as well. also, watch a few videos and rewatch bs 180s in slow mo. it's a very transparent trick compared to something like a hardflip, there are a few ways people do em, but pretty much no secrets. it could help a lot. sometimes seeing a certain skater do it can make it click for you. again, jeremy wray comes to the rescue:
https://youtu.be/HosRPMWoQ4E?t=121
quote: "try not to dip your head in or your board will end up behind you."
notice how the bs 180 starts just like an ollie in the slow mo.
one other thing regarding posting quotes, it's better if you put the quote on top of the comment you write. makes it easier to read chronologically if several people quote each other in a row. so better to quote first and comment beneath it. ;)
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Thanks everyone. I like to visualize of both heel and kickflips are striking a match to ignition. Dragging your foot up the grip is you running the match across the surface, the flick of your toe / heel is snapping the match head to get the chemical reaction going.
Edit: I'm definitely not committing to the pop or the drag, doing a mob heelflip. I'll check my popping foot position and commit to every one.
I was wondering if there are exercises that could be used to get used to the motion of heelflips. I've been using elastic bands on my ankles to practice the flicking motion of my kickflips with great results. I wonder if there are "in-chair" exercises that you can practice at home to get the ankle familiar in kicking that way.
Re Heelflips - park got rained out so I spent some time working on heelflips. They are definitely a finesse trick as opposed to a power trick like kickflips. I feel for heelflips you have to really get that good drag on the side of your shoe / foot and kick off the pocket. I spent some time focusing on my ollie - popping low and level with the heel / lower 50% of the shoe (everything from the instep down). It did help somewhat to get the dragging motion but my timing was still off.
Strangely doing them switch I had way more success. A guy at the park told me to focus on the drag (similar to to regular) and you have to feel your foot get the strong dragging action before the flick. What really helped was having you heel on the inside of the concave, within the outer edge of your deck. That helped the flick a lot.
I'll keep blasting them, I think I can get them this weekend.
yeah, i find this to be true, switch for some reason even more so than regs.
@Jurfin
shoulders are imo the most important part of bs 180s. they dictate basically where your legs will go. your legs job is to keep those truck bolts under your shoulders or at least your decks axis parallel to your shoulders. learning bs pivots can help immensely as well. also, watch a few videos and rewatch bs 180s in slow mo. it's a very transparent trick compared to something like a hardflip, there are a few ways people do em, but pretty much no secrets. it could help a lot. sometimes seeing a certain skater do it can make it click for you. again, jeremy wray comes to the rescue:
https://youtu.be/HosRPMWoQ4E?t=121
quote: "try not to dip your head in or your board will end up behind you."
notice how the bs 180 starts just like an ollie in the slow mo.
one other thing regarding posting quotes, it's better if you put the quote on top of the comment you write. makes it easier to read chronologically if several people quote each other in a row. so better to quote first and comment beneath it. ;)
Super helpful my dude, thank you! I definitely dip my head way too much, that’s exactly my issue. Also need to get more of a feel for the Ollie going straight ahead first. Much appreciated!
Now I’m gonna leave you guys alone and let my shit heal, then I’ve got some work to do. I’ll come back when my bs 180’s AND kickflips are on point 8)
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Can someone explain to me how that no comply flip thing up curbs works? I’ve wanted to learn them since seeing Mike Rusczyk do one in his art bars part. No idea what kind of witchcraft is going on there.
You do it exactly how you would do a no-comply up or over a curb (where the tail smacks the curb) but instead of having your back foot cover the whole tail, you use your toes to apply more pressure over the toe-side pocket of the tail. Because of the extra pressure, that part of the tail will smack the curb first (it's subtle) and once you let go of the board instead of jumping with it, because of the rebound it will flip like a kickflip. Basically without the flip you want your back foot centered to eliminate the rebound, whereas with the flip you're deliberately aiming for the rebound.
I've always wanted to learn this trick, but I've never had any luck with it. One thing that's always confused me is if the trick is supposed to flip like a heelflip or kickflip? I feel like I've seen both and I've always tried it by putting pressure on the toe-side pocket of my tail, which seems to make it flip like a heelflip.
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I've always wanted to learn this trick, but I've never had any luck with it. One thing that's always confused me is if the trick is supposed to flip like a heelflip or kickflip? I feel like I've seen both and I've always tried it by putting pressure on the toe-side pocket of my tail, which seems to make it flip like a heelflip.
I feel like when you do it 'right' it's supposed to flip like a kickflip (the pressure on the toe-side pocket causes a rebound) but sometimes with the exact same technique it'll randomly flip the other way, I guess if your position or motion is only so slightly different. From my experience, the lowest the curb/stair the more likely it'll be to flip like a heelflip so I'm thinking it's gotta do with the toe-side of the tail clearing the edge when the heel-side eventually doesn't. Shouldn't be very hard to learn how to control, I just never tried it on purpose because it's just the kickflip ones I want to do.
@Jurfin first off sorry to hear about your injury, which leads me to think, how much time out of your sessions would you say you're exclusively devoting to practicing specific tricks like kickflips or b/s 180's over and over and over? There's something to be said about this 'obsessive' way of going at it, which is tempting for a lot of people (you see it in beginners a lot) going by the basic logic that the more they insist on a trick the quicker they'll get it, but that logic is wrong. Practicing in 'bursts' (say, trying no more than 10 kickflips in a row at a time instead of 100 where every attempt starts looking the same after the 20th anyway) is actually more efficient for several reasons: 1/ it keeps the process fresh and exciting, 2/ I feel like it helps not registering parasite movement (wrong habits you might be tempted to develop in your posture or movement by bailing the same trick over and over the same way) and results in a clearer headspace in general (you don't slip into existential madness due to micromanaging what you might or might not be doing wrong in every detail and can actually organize meaningful, simple observations, nothing clogs your reasoning), 3/ it won't wear you out as much, repetitive movement is traumatizing for the body and will fuck you up real quick, making you more prone to fatigue-related injuries and post-session soreness (that will in turn affect the quality of your next sessions, it's a downwards spiral which can easily lead to motivation loss and practical plateauing due to overtraining), 4/ as a bonus it'll ensure that you become a well-rounded skater in a long run (the time not spent obsessing over a specific trick will be spent experimenting with more of skating).
Regarding your kickflips your problem looks quite uncommon to me, landing on just your heels with both your feet like this means that you're already managing to bring your flicking foot back over the board (like you should be doing) and then some more (which you shouldn't), you're basically overdoing the trick so to me it looks like you can kickflip and just don't want to admit it to yourself. There's nothing wrong in your technique (although keeping a straight posture and really treating it like a ollie will ensure the board never leaves its axis and stays under your feet in general) but disbelief I think, it's almost like you refuse to land on those kickflips because you reject the idea that you can do them just yet. I'm not joking either, a lot of skateboarding is mental and has directly to do with the skater's vision of their own abilities (because then they can only materialize so much), it would be interesting if the next time you go skate you went with the mindset that you can kickflip no problem. At this point it looks like it just needs to click in your head that you're already landing on the trick, so rolling away as cleanly as you would from a normal ollie is only a matter of daring to do it. Stop doing them stationary (even going slowly is better, more efficient and probably easier) and treat the trick like a ollie, just with a twist you don't need to think much about and aim for that feeling of a clean ollie landing. If the board keeps going off axis, watch your posture and shoulder alignment, and maybe experiment with more or less open stances.
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I've always wanted to learn this trick, but I've never had any luck with it. One thing that's always confused me is if the trick is supposed to flip like a heelflip or kickflip? I feel like I've seen both and I've always tried it by putting pressure on the toe-side pocket of my tail, which seems to make it flip like a heelflip.
I feel like when you do it 'right' it's supposed to flip like a kickflip (the pressure on the toe-side pocket causes a rebound) but sometimes with the exact same technique it'll randomly flip the other way, I guess if your position or motion is only so slightly different. From my experience, the lowest the curb/stair the more likely it'll be to flip like a heelflip so I'm thinking it's gotta do with the toe-side of the tail clearing the edge when the heel-side eventually doesn't. Shouldn't be very hard to learn how to control, I just never tried it on purpose because it's just the kickflip ones I want to do.
@Jurfin first off sorry to hear about your injury, which leads me to think, how much time out of your sessions would you say you're exclusively devoting to practicing specific tricks like kickflips or b/s 180's over and over and over? There's something to be said about this 'obsessive' way of going at it, which is tempting for a lot of people (you see it in beginners a lot) going by the basic logic that the more they insist on a trick the quicker they'll get it, but that logic is wrong. Practicing in 'bursts' (say, trying no more than 10 kickflips in a row at a time instead of 100 where every attempt starts looking the same after the 20th anyway) is actually more efficient for several reasons: 1/ it keeps the process fresh and exciting, 2/ I feel like it helps not registering parasite movement (wrong habits you might be tempted to develop in your posture or movement by bailing the same trick over and over the same way) and results in a clearer headspace in general (you don't slip into existential madness due to micromanaging what you might or might not be doing wrong in every detail and can actually organize meaningful, simple observations, nothing clogs your reasoning), 3/ it won't wear you out as much, repetitive movement is traumatizing for the body and will fuck you up real quick, making you more prone to fatigue-related injuries and post-session soreness (that will in turn affect the quality of your next sessions, it's a downwards spiral which can easily lead to motivation loss and practical plateauing due to overtraining), 4/ as a bonus it'll ensure that you become a well-rounded skater in a long run (the time not spent obsessing over a specific trick will be spent experimenting with more of skating).
Regarding your kickflips your problem looks quite uncommon to me, landing on just your heels with both your feet like this means that you're already managing to bring your flicking foot back over the board (like you should be doing) and then some more (which you shouldn't), you're basically overdoing the trick so to me it looks like you can kickflip and just don't want to admit it to yourself. There's nothing wrong in your technique (although keeping a straight posture and really treating it like a ollie will ensure the board never leaves its axis and stays under your feet in general) but disbelief I think, it's almost like you refuse to land on those kickflips because you reject the idea that you can do them just yet. I'm not joking either, a lot of skateboarding is mental and has directly to do with the skater's vision of their own abilities (because then they can only materialize so much), it would be interesting if the next time you go skate you went with the mindset that you can kickflip no problem. At this point it looks like it just needs to click in your head that you're already landing on the trick, so rolling away as cleanly as you would from a normal ollie is only a matter of daring to do it. Stop doing them stationary (even going slowly is better, more efficient and probably easier) and treat the trick like a ollie, just with a twist you don't need to think much about and aim for that feeling of a clean ollie landing. If the board keeps going off axis, watch your posture and shoulder alignment, and maybe experiment with more or less open stances.
The observation seems about right but I'm fascinated to see how the "you can do it but you not believing it" play out. My observation is more pedantic; dipping head and shoulders too much. Your drag and flick are there, but it looks like your head is far in front the toe edge of your deck. @EricLogan another Slap Pal and rad skater once said it best.
Head control your shoulders
Shoulders control your hips
Hips control your legs
Legs control your feet
Feet control your board
(or something to that effect)
Where your head goes the body will follow, similar to any sport or martial art. In Muay Thai, during clinching you try to control the opponents neck and head, that way you can control his balance and dump him on his ass.
Like @silhouette said in his 360 flip trick tip, if your head is looking and dipped too far ahead of your back foot, the board is going to spin under and away from you while you jump way ahead of your board.
Also, remember to give the kickflips a break. We fetishize the grind of working hours on a trick when it's really harmful to our psyche and (in think in your case) body. There's a lot to love within skateboarding, know when to step away and don't kill your session and body.
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Almost forgot (and kind of reiterating something I was recommending for nollie/switch flips recently as it's true for all straight kickflip variations), but something that might help you stay over the board on kickflips is to block every possible axis but the one going straight through your truck hardware in consideration, as it's the only one you should be working with and around. Respect that alignment your movement and you should be fine.
Where your head goes the body will follow, similar to any sport or martial art. In Muay Thai, during clinching you try to control the opponents neck and head, that way you can control his balance and dump him on his ass.
The analogy is very valid, the trick aspect of skateboarding in general has a lot more in common with martial arts than most people would assume.
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not a trick per se but just consistency.
half the time I step on the board, feels ok like normal
some times get on and everything feels great
and the once in a while i step on and everything feels like complete shit like i feel like i can barely even ollie. Everything feel sloppy and I just like flail every trick and barely pop anything
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Almost forgot (and kind of reiterating something I was recommending for nollie/switch flips recently as it's true for all straight kickflip variations), but something that might help you stay over the board on kickflips is to block every possible axis but the one going straight through your truck hardware in consideration, as it's the only one you should be working with and around. Respect that alignment your movement and you should be fine.
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Where your head goes the body will follow, similar to any sport or martial art. In Muay Thai, during clinching you try to control the opponents neck and head, that way you can control his balance and dump him on his ass.
The analogy is very valid, the trick aspect of skateboarding in general has a lot more in common with martial arts than most people would assume.
You mentioned a few posts ago isolating the axes that were not in use during tricks, specifically for 360 flips. That was really helpful in getting a consistent board rotation and stopped me from jumping way ahead of my board. Once i got the feeling of the scoop + tension/release down, it was just a matter of making sure my shoulders were (relatively) straight and not looking too far ahead of my scooping knee. That then allowed me to focus on my getting a good catch with my front foot and bringing my back foot along for the ride.
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I'm pretty shit at both but at a guess - Fakie tres I think you need to flick your foot less off the side than a regular one. Like if your foot goes off at 10 o'clock (if you're regular) for a normal tre, it should grip the board for an extra second and go more like 12/1 o'clock. Otherwise it just starts spinning before you've had the chance to put the flick in motion
I'm the same with nollie heels, most of the time they go straight up my ass. Try shifting your weight back so it's close to where it would be if you were riding regular before popping. Also focus on making your foot go backwards rather than off the side. It's way too easy to flick your foot straight off without dragging it up the board at all which is what makes it rocket
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Fakie 360 flips seem to work best when you don't approach them as regular-360-flips-but-fakie and more as fakie 360 shoves (the casual type that just grazes the ground) with some actual pop and slight flicking action going on. The momentum is working with you there so you need less brute force than you would regular, same reason why just flinging nollie 360 flips is usually a lot easier than actually forming good switch 360 flips. Much more light-footed trick.
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Fakie 360 flips seem to work best when you don't approach them as regular-360-flips-but-fakie and more as fakie 360 shoves (the casual type that just grazes the ground) with some actual pop and slight flicking action going on. The momentum is working with you there so you need less brute force than you would regular, same reason why just flinging nollie 360 flips is usually a lot easier than actually forming good switch 360 flips. Much more light-footed trick.
Damn, never thought about Fakie / Nollie 360 flips being less effortful and a light-footed trick before but you're right. In most video parts you just see guys flaffing them out, rarely with any height. My friend can nollie big spin both way consistently but can't do them for switch to save his life.
I'm loving this "secret sauce" discussion of tricks. I have a theory that guys who are naturally gifted at skateboarding suck at explaining tricks ("just pop your board, turn, flick, catch, land, roll away") because it comes so easily for them. They don't have to put as much "hard work" in - breaking the trick down, thinking about how individual parts of their body work, hours of failure and then putting it all together to execute.
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Fakie 360 flips seem to work best when you don't approach them as regular-360-flips-but-fakie and more as fakie 360 shoves (the casual type that just grazes the ground) with some actual pop and slight flicking action going on. The momentum is working with you there so you need less brute force than you would regular, same reason why just flinging nollie 360 flips is usually a lot easier than actually forming good switch 360 flips. Much more light-footed trick.
Damn, never thought about Fakie / Nollie 360 flips being less effortful and a light-footed trick before but you're right. In most video parts you just see guys flaffing them out, rarely with any height. My friend can nollie big spin both way consistently but can't do them for switch to save his life.
I'm loving this "secret sauce" discussion of tricks. I have a theory that guys who are naturally gifted at skateboarding suck at explaining tricks ("just pop your board, turn, flick, catch, land, roll away") because it comes so easily for them. They don't have to put as much "hard work" in - breaking the trick down, thinking about how individual parts of their body work, hours of failure and then putting it all together to execute.
THIS! Long time lurker, first time poster. But honestly, tricks to tricks/minor tweaks that people have come across have proven invaluable to progress for me at least. Especially when I've hit a brick wall of progression. Nuts how much difference a slight weight shift or minor adjustment of foot positioning can make, even if it's a matter of styling out a trick we have but is so ugly we hide it in the basement a la Sloth.
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It's so nerdy, but I almost have started a note on my iPhone.....Ill figure something out...then forget...
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It's so nerdy, but I almost have started a note on my iPhone.....Ill figure something out...then forget...
I already have a notepad in my phone with all the tips for each trick jotted down. I don't ever refer to the list, but the act of having made a note of it, or savings screen caps of pros doing them right helps crystalize the tricks in my head.
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Oh fucking god just stop!
The absolute ultimate assknife trick in existence! I used to have these on lock until "the incident". I was just the right height at the time where I got stabbed a solid inch deep in the taint, and no doubt I was left bloody and violated.
Nowadays when I try them I just automatically turn backside (no pun intended).
LMAO EASIEST FLIP TRICK FOR ME
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Years ago before I learned tre flips I had fakie tre flips pretty consistent. Then regular tre flips became my favorite trick and I haven’t done a single fakie tre flip in 5 years. Nowadays I’m trying to get them back. I can scoop it perfect 360 under me but it always lands in a half flip no matter what i try it seems. I don’t know how to get the extra half of the kickflip. Angry because everyone says they’re easier fakie and regular tre flips are my one of my most consistent tricks.
Also no matter what I do nollie heel make no sense. It’s the last motion in skateboarding that makes zero sense to me. Every time I go to pop, it rockets. No matter what I do or where I put the potential energy in my foot/ankle.
Any tips would be great
Nollie heels clicked for me when i started thinking of it as a nollie, then a heel. concentrate on a really solid nollie but with the toes of your flipping foot slightly more off your deck than normal, pop hard and at the peak of the slide, just as your board starts leveling out give your heel a lil flick off the side and it should flip and slap right into your feet
youre on your own with fakie tre's though, them shits make no sense to me
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If you do fakie tres really really really slow, then its kinda similar-ish to a regular tre. The faster you go on a fakie tre, the less effort its going to take and itll also feel more different to a regular tre. The way I keep fakie tres under control is: the faster I go, the less toe I hang off of the tail on my back foot, that way they don't overspin as much when you scoop/pop. If I'm rolling really fast (by my standards) and doing a fakie tre, my back foot is pretty much in fakie ollie position. Obviously you'll still have to mess around with weight distribution and technique but this definitely helps me with keeping it under control.
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Hey all, I requested for the mods to create a separate child section for Trick Tips. This thread and "What trick are you working on right now" is chock full of good insights and it can be tough to filter out on a per-trick basis. I'll spend some time this weekend sifting out the nuggets of info on 1 trick (360 flips) and compile them into a new thread on that section, see how that plays out.
You guys have been instrumental in helping me improve in my 30s; hope that the new section can keep the positive vibes and "secret sauce" flowing.
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Hey all, I requested for the mods to create a separate child section for Trick Tips. This thread and "What trick are you working on right now" is chock full of good insights and it can be tough to filter out on a per-trick basis. I'll spend some time this weekend sifting out the nuggets of info on 1 trick (360 flips) and compile them into a new thread on that section, see how that plays out.
You guys have been instrumental in helping me improve in my 30s; hope that the new section can keep the positive vibes and "secret sauce" flowing.
You rule
You rule
You rule
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Oh fucking god just stop!
The absolute ultimate assknife trick in existence! I used to have these on lock until "the incident". I was just the right height at the time where I got stabbed a solid inch deep in the taint, and no doubt I was left bloody and violated.
Nowadays when I try them I just automatically turn backside (no pun intended).
LMAO EASIEST FLIP TRICK FOR ME
Me too. Besides pressure flips.
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Fakie flip and fakie heel. I am always sleeping out. I never stay on the board.
Also half cab, I know I should just try for an hour but I always forget. I only do them in games of SKATE. I can still do them but they are ugly as fuck. And when I try to pop them it does a weird half cab heel.
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I’m gonna start learning kickflips once I learn to tweak my backside 180s, and this thread is starting to scare the shit out of me lmao
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I’m gonna start learning kickflips once I learn to tweak my backside 180s, and this thread is starting to scare the shit out of me lmao
i would throw a couple of kickflip attempts in your sessions while still working on your back 180s especially if you don’t get to skate too often. I’ve let myself get stuck on some tricks for way too long. You can work on both
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I’m gonna start learning kickflips once I learn to tweak my backside 180s, and this thread is starting to scare the shit out of me lmao
I have less and less time to skate nowadays due to uni :-\ Eh whatever I guess.
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I’m gonna start learning kickflips once I learn to tweak my backside 180s, and this thread is starting to scare the shit out of me lmao
I have less and less time to skate nowadays due to uni :-\ Eh whatever I guess.
Damn, i got ya. You just have to make the most out of those sessions whenever they come.
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I’m gonna start learning kickflips once I learn to tweak my backside 180s, and this thread is starting to scare the shit out of me lmao
I have less and less time to skate nowadays due to uni :-\ Eh whatever I guess.
True. I managed to overcome fear to commit so I’m making fast progress so there’s that to balance it out I guess :'(
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i keep popping off the toe side of the tail its driving me nuts
doesn't happen for kickflip or heelflip, only on ollies.
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Honestly, Ollies.
I had them down as a teen, to the point I remember hearing a kid say "you should see how high he can ollie" one time.
Just can't get them, it's my biggest hangup and means I don't skate as often as I want to as there's nothing worse than a grown man who can't ollie.
I understand the mechanics and have explained it to kids learning in the past and for ages it was like muscle memory but last year, it's been impossible to get them down.
I've just given up on them at this point.
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Switch pop shuvs. I can do them but they feel and look awful.
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every once in a while I spend 20 minutes just doing ollies to get the timing right in order to pop them higher.
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Switch pop shuvs. I can do them but they feel and look awful.
Big toe in the center of the tail and not on the toe-side is the secret. Pop from the right position and the board will just do the trick by itself and stay flat. Insist on keeping your shoulders parallel and they'll feel a lot more in control. It's actually one of my favorite tricks to see done proper and always feels really cool once you've cleaned it up.
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My ambition may be getting the better of me but for the first time in my life I think I want to try flipping into my tricks. My kickflip has gotten better with more skate sessions and consistent enough. What would be a good trick to start with?
KF Manual?
KF BS 50-50?
KF FS Board? (Dream trick but I can barely BS Kickflip and it rockets like crazy)
I've heard that FS Kickflip variations (KF BS Noseslide, Boardslide) are way tougher.
Also if anyone has tips to send my way I'm all ears.
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My ambition may be getting the better of me but for the first time in my life I think I want to try flipping into my tricks. My kickflip has gotten better with more skate sessions and consistent enough. What would be a good trick to start with?
KF Manual?
KF BS 50-50?
KF FS Board? (Dream trick but I can barely BS Kickflip and it rockets like crazy)
I've heard that FS Kickflip variations (KF BS Noseslide, Boardslide) are way tougher.
Also if anyone has tips to send my way I'm all ears.
Might sound ambitious but if you have hardflips good, hardflip front noseslide is sooo easy. Tre flips also feel significantly easier in to grinds than kickflips. Fakie back heel frontside noseslide is too fucking easy.
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My ambition may be getting the better of me but for the first time in my life I think I want to try flipping into my tricks. My kickflip has gotten better with more skate sessions and consistent enough. What would be a good trick to start with?
KF Manual?
KF BS 50-50?
KF FS Board? (Dream trick but I can barely BS Kickflip and it rockets like crazy)
I've heard that FS Kickflip variations (KF BS Noseslide, Boardslide) are way tougher.
Also if anyone has tips to send my way I'm all ears.
Flips into stuff were never my forte but kickflip manual is a good accessible one and will clean up your general technique on kickflips up stuff as a side effect (just keeping trying them into the manual will make them more automatic). Kickflip front board used to come easy on shitty obstacles when I was a kid but nowadays they scare the shit out of me (and so does kickflip back nose), still maybe try those or kickflip front nose. Don't forget about the possibilities with heelflips too, for instance I find heelflip front nose to be much more natural than kickflip front nose, and I rarely ever do heelflips compared to kickflips so it's not like it makes sense.
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for the first time in my life I think I want to try flipping into my tricks. What would be a good trick to start with?
hardflip front noseslide
Tre flips in to grinds
Fakie back heel frontside noseslide
Yeah great places to start
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My ambition may be getting the better of me but for the first time in my life I think I want to try flipping into my tricks. My kickflip has gotten better with more skate sessions and consistent enough. What would be a good trick to start with?
KF Manual?
KF BS 50-50?
KF FS Board? (Dream trick but I can barely BS Kickflip and it rockets like crazy)
I've heard that FS Kickflip variations (KF BS Noseslide, Boardslide) are way tougher.
Also if anyone has tips to send my way I'm all ears.
My kickflips suck ass but I can do kf manual, and I spent like 4 hours one day and got a kf fs5050 on a 10 inch ledge. My friend says kf bs5050 significantly easier but my bs5050s suck.
if you can do em its just a matter of trying! Go for it!
just be warned that flipping into grinds ur gonna land in like darkslide sometimes and fuck up ur grip if u care about that.
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Might sound ambitious but if you have hardflips good, hardflip front noseslide is sooo easy. Tre flips also feel significantly easier in to grinds than kickflips. Fakie back heel frontside noseslide is too fucking easy.
that doesnt make sense. half cab heel nose? or fakie front heel front nose
Lobster, flip back 5050 is by far the easiest one to figure out, that and kickflip manual. both are great building blocks to start with
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Proper frontside stand-up grinds on ramp. I mean proper 5-0 grinds. Decked. Not scraping the coping from below. So much harder than it looks.
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FS Noseslides will be the death of me. I have FS crooks, kickflip FS crooks, BS 180 nosegrinds which all have a similar motion but a basic noseslide is impossible for me to slide and hold.
Anyone else run into this issue?
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FS Noseslides will be the death of me. I have FS crooks, kickflip FS crooks, BS 180 nosegrinds which all have a similar motion but a basic noseslide is impossible for me to slide and hold.
Anyone else run into this issue?
You’re turning you shoulders in to the ledge too much. Had this same problem for years. I had to relearn how to Ollie in to the stall but I’d look over my shoulders instead of completely facing the ledge. This did wonders
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FS Noseslides will be the death of me. I have FS crooks, kickflip FS crooks, BS 180 nosegrinds which all have a similar motion but a basic noseslide is impossible for me to slide and hold.
Anyone else run into this issue?
WTF is wrong with you those are all.my dream tricks!? I can FS Noseslide consistent but have to work on FS crooks and my 180 Nosegrinds are still a pipe dream but I'm working on it regularly.
How are your ollie-ing into the trick? To me FS noseslide is a different trick because you want to ollie just just enough into the side of the ledge and hold the slide, you pop a lot lower and let your front foot do a lot of the heavy lifting. For crooks and 180 nosegrind you have to get a decent pop up and above the ledge so your truck can get nice and pinched into the ledge. Everytime I 1/2 ass those tricks I end up in a noseslide.
Like chatbot mentioned, control the rotation so your baseplate gets nice and snug into the ledge. Stand tall and look over your shoulder and forward, you can look down at your feet if you want to roll out fakie.
Pop lower than you think and look forward.
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FS Noseslides will be the death of me. I have FS crooks, kickflip FS crooks, BS 180 nosegrinds which all have a similar motion but a basic noseslide is impossible for me to slide and hold.
Anyone else run into this issue?
WTF is wrong with you those are all.my dream tricks!? I can FS Noseslide consistent but have to work on FS crooks and my 180 Nosegrinds are still a pipe dream but I'm working on it regularly.
How are your ollie-ing into the trick? To me FS noseslide is a different trick because you want to ollie just just enough into the side of the ledge and hold the slide, you pop a lot lower and let your front foot do a lot of the heavy lifting. For crooks and 180 nosegrind you have to get a decent pop up and above the ledge so your truck can get nice and pinched into the ledge. Everytime I 1/2 ass those tricks I end up in a noseslide.
Like chatbot mentioned, control the rotation so your baseplate gets nice and snug into the ledge. Stand tall and look over your shoulder and forward, you can look down at your feet if you want to roll out fakie.
Pop lower than you think and look forward.
I disagree with the pop lower part. Really got get on top of it like the front crooks, so Id say pop accordingly to get right on top. If you slip out (front foot slid away and body doesnt follow) your not getting on top of it enough. And look forward (head and shoulder placement).
If you have front crooks, the noseslide cant be that far away...
Good luck.
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FS Noseslides will be the death of me. I have FS crooks, kickflip FS crooks, BS 180 nosegrinds which all have a similar motion but a basic noseslide is impossible for me to slide and hold.
Anyone else run into this issue?
WTF is wrong with you those are all.my dream tricks!? I can FS Noseslide consistent but have to work on FS crooks and my 180 Nosegrinds are still a pipe dream but I'm working on it regularly.
How are your ollie-ing into the trick? To me FS noseslide is a different trick because you want to ollie just just enough into the side of the ledge and hold the slide, you pop a lot lower and let your front foot do a lot of the heavy lifting. For crooks and 180 nosegrind you have to get a decent pop up and above the ledge so your truck can get nice and pinched into the ledge. Everytime I 1/2 ass those tricks I end up in a noseslide.
Like chatbot mentioned, control the rotation so your baseplate gets nice and snug into the ledge. Stand tall and look over your shoulder and forward, you can look down at your feet if you want to roll out fakie.
Pop lower than you think and look forward.
I disagree with the pop lower part. Really got get on top of it like the front crooks, so Id say pop accordingly to get right on top. If you slip out (front foot slid away and body doesnt follow) your not getting on top of it enough. And look forward (head and shoulder placement).
If you have front crooks, the noseslide cant be that far away...
Good luck.
Said it better than I did. Pop just high enough to get in and onto the ledge. Don't forget your back door if not you'll leave the rest of your body behind.
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FS Noseslides will be the death of me. I have FS crooks, kickflip FS crooks, BS 180 nosegrinds which all have a similar motion but a basic noseslide is impossible for me to slide and hold.
Anyone else run into this issue?
WTF is wrong with you those are all.my dream tricks!?
lol yeah I was just going to say I have the opposite issue, I have decent frontside noseslides but my kickflip frontside crooked grinds are non-existent, plz hlp.
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Varial flips have been doing my head in for months, I had them on lock then randomly lost them about 6 months ago, they were pissing me off hugely as I knew I could do them but I started to majorly overthink various aspects of the trick after a couple of sessions where I just couldn't land any.
Getting back to skating the last few weeks post ankle roll, and thought I would give them a blast today... i'm not sure if the planets aligned or something, but managed to get them back and landed a good handful. I'm on an 8.25 now vs the 7.5/7.75s I was skating before, so that could have something to do with it.
Didn't think about them too much, just decided to throw a few, and hey presto.
Will be interesting to see if I can get them fully dialled in again or if they're going to be one of those good day/bad day tricks for me.
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This is the greatest thread of all time. Already learned back 180s and back 50-50s and cleaned up my front shuvs.
Still need to work on those flip tricks though
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Went out again yesterday and smashed out a few more varials, so it seems i've got them back (touch wood).
Fakie varials definately easier of the two...starting to realise that I seem to strongly favour Fakie tricks on flatground, easier to catch, feel and look nicer, and more consistent.
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ollies. literally ollies. for how simple and fundamental they are, they are becoming the bane of my life! i’ve heard people say it took them 6 months to get decent ollies and i was kinda surprised but now that i’m learning them myself it’s understandable why it takes so long. i can do other stuff too, i like skating transition and can do other basic tricks that don’t require ollies. it just seems like i’ve hit a wall on my skating where i gotta learn how to ollie at long last. and so the battle begins.. with that, anyone got any pointers/secrets that come to mind that’ll help a beginner out?
shalom pals
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ollies. literally ollies. for how simple and fundamental they are, they are becoming the bane of my life! i’ve heard people say it took them 6 months to get decent ollies and i was kinda surprised but now that i’m learning them myself it’s understandable why it takes so long. i can do other stuff too, i like skating transition and can do other basic tricks that don’t require ollies. it just seems like i’ve hit a wall on my skating where i gotta learn how to ollie at long last. and so the battle begins.. with that, anyone got any pointers/secrets that come to mind that’ll help a beginner out?
shalom pals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrOCMjotAuw&ab_channel=JustKeepSkating
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZhMXWkPsWw&t=24s&ab_channel=JustKeepSkating
If you got the fundamentals down then it's a matter of timing and muscle memory, while not neglecting body posture. Body posture basics like not dipping your head, hunching your shoulders too much or sticking your ass out too much.
Post up a video if you feel so inclined so we can judge you for you choice of setup and shoes. But mostly to give pointers on technique.
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ollies. literally ollies. for how simple and fundamental they are, they are becoming the bane of my life! i’ve heard people say it took them 6 months to get decent ollies and i was kinda surprised but now that i’m learning them myself it’s understandable why it takes so long. i can do other stuff too, i like skating transition and can do other basic tricks that don’t require ollies. it just seems like i’ve hit a wall on my skating where i gotta learn how to ollie at long last. and so the battle begins.. with that, anyone got any pointers/secrets that come to mind that’ll help a beginner out?
shalom pals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrOCMjotAuw&ab_channel=JustKeepSkating
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZhMXWkPsWw&t=24s&ab_channel=JustKeepSkating
If you got the fundamentals down then it's a matter of timing and muscle memory, while not neglecting body posture. Body posture basics like not dipping your head, hunching your shoulders too much or sticking your ass out too much.
Post up a video if you feel so inclined so we can judge you for you choice of setup and shoes. But mostly to give pointers on technique.
can’t post video (idk how rn lmao) but my setup is an 8.75 anti hero with ace 55s and like 50mm conical fills 101a + 1/8 riser. oh also skating blazer mids or rowan pros
i think i’m having trouble getting my foot to travel up the board. like how it’s supposed to kinda roll and slide up the board? when i try to do that my foot comes off the board while i “pop”, and then bonks the nose when the board comes up.
and also like when i’m tryna “pop” i’m keeping my back foot on the board too long and not *really* jumping but that comes with time/practice i think
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ollies. literally ollies. for how simple and fundamental they are, they are becoming the bane of my life! i’ve heard people say it took them 6 months to get decent ollies and i was kinda surprised but now that i’m learning them myself it’s understandable why it takes so long. i can do other stuff too, i like skating transition and can do other basic tricks that don’t require ollies. it just seems like i’ve hit a wall on my skating where i gotta learn how to ollie at long last. and so the battle begins.. with that, anyone got any pointers/secrets that come to mind that’ll help a beginner out?
shalom pals
If you got the fundamentals down then it's a matter of timing and muscle memory, while not neglecting body posture. Body posture basics like not dipping your head, hunching your shoulders too much or sticking your ass out too much.
Post up a video if you feel so inclined so we can judge you for you choice of setup and shoes. But mostly to give pointers on technique.
i think i’m having trouble getting my foot to travel up the board. like how it’s supposed to kinda roll and slide up the board? when i try to do that my foot comes off the board while i “pop”, and then bonks the nose when the board comes up.
and also like when i’m tryna “pop” i’m keeping my back foot on the board too long and not *really* jumping but that comes with time/practice i think
practice practice practice and it will all come together eventually, skateboarding is really hard! make sure when youre trying them you are rolling, and when I was learning I found going over something small (for me it was hockey sticks) or up a curb helped trick my brain into committing to it. then make it a game of going up or over bigger and bigger things (in small increments). keep those shoulders square!
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ollies. literally ollies. for how simple and fundamental they are, they are becoming the bane of my life! i’ve heard people say it took them 6 months to get decent ollies and i was kinda surprised but now that i’m learning them myself it’s understandable why it takes so long. i can do other stuff too, i like skating transition and can do other basic tricks that don’t require ollies. it just seems like i’ve hit a wall on my skating where i gotta learn how to ollie at long last. and so the battle begins.. with that, anyone got any pointers/secrets that come to mind that’ll help a beginner out?
shalom pals
If you got the fundamentals down then it's a matter of timing and muscle memory, while not neglecting body posture. Body posture basics like not dipping your head, hunching your shoulders too much or sticking your ass out too much.
Post up a video if you feel so inclined so we can judge you for you choice of setup and shoes. But mostly to give pointers on technique.
i think i’m having trouble getting my foot to travel up the board. like how it’s supposed to kinda roll and slide up the board? when i try to do that my foot comes off the board while i “pop”, and then bonks the nose when the board comes up.
and also like when i’m tryna “pop” i’m keeping my back foot on the board too long and not *really* jumping but that comes with time/practice i think
practice practice practice and it will all come together eventually, skateboarding is really hard! make sure when youre trying them you are rolling, and when I was learning I found going over something small (for me it was hockey sticks) or up a curb helped trick my brain into committing to it. then make it a game of going up or over bigger and bigger things (in small increments). keep those shoulders square!
I think a lot of experienced skaters forget how difficult and non-intuitive an ollie is. On the surface it's jumping but with your board, but the fact you have a moving platform under you complicates things.
Just getting the motion of the pop, snapping your tail down, is a vital step that experienced skaters take for granted. Just practicing getting a solid snap on your tail (no pop, kind of like you're scraping your tail to stop) is a good start.
Next, focus on getting a solid drag, more forward than up. I think it's more important to have a low but leveled out ollie than one that is high but rocket (like I have them).
Another thing I notice when beginners learn to ollie is how far they have their front foot behind their bolts when they ollie. Your skateboard is like a catapult, the more weight you have closer to the fulcrum / pivot point (your truck) the less stable you well feel, even more so as you crouch down to setup your ollie. Front foot just behind the bolts is a good place to start; you aren't competing with Danny Wainwright or Reese Forbes in a high ollie contest, and even they don't have their front foot too far back.
After this it's a matter of 1000s of repetitions while paying attention to your form. Like all martial arts (or sports), 1000s of reps means nothing if you're form is crap. Kicking a sandbag 1000s a day in kickboxing is pointless if I'm hunched over, flat footed and not getting my hip into the kick to enhance the impact. Be mindful of your head position, how much you're hunched over, is your butt sticking out and are your shoulders in line with your board. It's far less sexy than looking at tutorial of people doing boned out ollies with shit explanations, but I'm all for fundamentals over flash.
(sorry for the wall of text, too much coffee after lunch)
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ollies. literally ollies. for how simple and fundamental they are, they are becoming the bane of my life! i’ve heard people say it took them 6 months to get decent ollies and i was kinda surprised but now that i’m learning them myself it’s understandable why it takes so long. i can do other stuff too, i like skating transition and can do other basic tricks that don’t require ollies. it just seems like i’ve hit a wall on my skating where i gotta learn how to ollie at long last. and so the battle begins.. with that, anyone got any pointers/secrets that come to mind that’ll help a beginner out?
shalom pals
If you got the fundamentals down then it's a matter of timing and muscle memory, while not neglecting body posture. Body posture basics like not dipping your head, hunching your shoulders too much or sticking your ass out too much.
Post up a video if you feel so inclined so we can judge you for you choice of setup and shoes. But mostly to give pointers on technique.
i think i’m having trouble getting my foot to travel up the board. like how it’s supposed to kinda roll and slide up the board? when i try to do that my foot comes off the board while i “pop”, and then bonks the nose when the board comes up.
and also like when i’m tryna “pop” i’m keeping my back foot on the board too long and not *really* jumping but that comes with time/practice i think
practice practice practice and it will all come together eventually, skateboarding is really hard! make sure when youre trying them you are rolling, and when I was learning I found going over something small (for me it was hockey sticks) or up a curb helped trick my brain into committing to it. then make it a game of going up or over bigger and bigger things (in small increments). keep those shoulders square!
I think a lot of experienced skaters forget how difficult and non-intuitive an ollie is. On the surface it's jumping but with your board, but the fact you have a moving platform under you complicates things.
Just getting the motion of the pop, snapping your tail down, is a vital step that experienced skaters take for granted. Just practicing getting a solid snap on your tail (no pop, kind of like you're scraping your tail to stop) is a good start.
Next, focus on getting a solid drag, more forward than up. I think it's more important to have a low but leveled out ollie than one that is high but rocket (like I have them).
Another thing I notice when beginners learn to ollie is how far they have their front foot behind their bolts when they ollie. Your skateboard is like a catapult, the more weight you have closer to the fulcrum / pivot point (your truck) the less stable you well feel, even more so as you crouch down to setup your ollie. Front foot just behind the bolts is a good place to start; you aren't competing with Danny Wainwright or Reese Forbes in a high ollie contest, and even they don't have their front foot too far back.
After this it's a matter of 1000s of repetitions while paying attention to your form. Like all martial arts (or sports), 1000s of reps means nothing if you're form is crap. Kicking a sandbag 1000s a day in kickboxing is pointless if I'm hunched over, flat footed and not getting my hip into the kick to enhance the impact. Be mindful of your head position, how much you're hunched over, is your butt sticking out and are your shoulders in line with your board. It's far less sexy than looking at tutorial of people doing boned out ollies with shit explanations, but I'm all for fundamentals over flash.
(sorry for the wall of text, too much coffee after lunch)
nono, that was great. i worked on them today, based off pretty much what you said as well as the two videos posted earlier. the idea of like flicking my foot down to initiate the jump rather than stepping all the way down (stomping it) then jumping really helped. i actually got some off the ground today! i started holding onto a cabinet in my garage then tried them barely rolling on flat in the garage (it’s raining :( ) then slowly got going faster. i practiced for maybe 2 hours? and by the end of it, my ollies were maybe an inch or so off the ground? either way they were OFF THE GROUND! what i want to work on now is getting the ollie to go forward, so to speak. like get it so that the board is kinda in front of me a lil bit rather than directly underneath. by the end of the session i was getting pretty consistent and i think my like 2.5 years of skating directly before finally deciding to learn ollies really helped me out. i’ve gone through like 3 plies of my tail in the last week practicing ollies lmao. the other thing i’m experiencing is occasional ghost pop, does that go away with practice? i don’t really wanna go down the rabbit hole of truck/deck combinations. i have ace and that’s it. sorry for wall of text and wack formatting, it’s late and i typed this improv. anyhow, thanks for all the help PALS! i will update later if something interesting happens.
shalom
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ollies. literally ollies. for how simple and fundamental they are, they are becoming the bane of my life! i’ve heard people say it took them 6 months to get decent ollies and i was kinda surprised but now that i’m learning them myself it’s understandable why it takes so long. i can do other stuff too, i like skating transition and can do other basic tricks that don’t require ollies. it just seems like i’ve hit a wall on my skating where i gotta learn how to ollie at long last. and so the battle begins.. with that, anyone got any pointers/secrets that come to mind that’ll help a beginner out?
shalom pals
If you got the fundamentals down then it's a matter of timing and muscle memory, while not neglecting body posture. Body posture basics like not dipping your head, hunching your shoulders too much or sticking your ass out too much.
Post up a video if you feel so inclined so we can judge you for you choice of setup and shoes. But mostly to give pointers on technique.
i think i’m having trouble getting my foot to travel up the board. like how it’s supposed to kinda roll and slide up the board? when i try to do that my foot comes off the board while i “pop”, and then bonks the nose when the board comes up.
and also like when i’m tryna “pop” i’m keeping my back foot on the board too long and not *really* jumping but that comes with time/practice i think
practice practice practice and it will all come together eventually, skateboarding is really hard! make sure when youre trying them you are rolling, and when I was learning I found going over something small (for me it was hockey sticks) or up a curb helped trick my brain into committing to it. then make it a game of going up or over bigger and bigger things (in small increments). keep those shoulders square!
I think a lot of experienced skaters forget how difficult and non-intuitive an ollie is. On the surface it's jumping but with your board, but the fact you have a moving platform under you complicates things.
Just getting the motion of the pop, snapping your tail down, is a vital step that experienced skaters take for granted. Just practicing getting a solid snap on your tail (no pop, kind of like you're scraping your tail to stop) is a good start.
Next, focus on getting a solid drag, more forward than up. I think it's more important to have a low but leveled out ollie than one that is high but rocket (like I have them).
Another thing I notice when beginners learn to ollie is how far they have their front foot behind their bolts when they ollie. Your skateboard is like a catapult, the more weight you have closer to the fulcrum / pivot point (your truck) the less stable you well feel, even more so as you crouch down to setup your ollie. Front foot just behind the bolts is a good place to start; you aren't competing with Danny Wainwright or Reese Forbes in a high ollie contest, and even they don't have their front foot too far back.
After this it's a matter of 1000s of repetitions while paying attention to your form. Like all martial arts (or sports), 1000s of reps means nothing if you're form is crap. Kicking a sandbag 1000s a day in kickboxing is pointless if I'm hunched over, flat footed and not getting my hip into the kick to enhance the impact. Be mindful of your head position, how much you're hunched over, is your butt sticking out and are your shoulders in line with your board. It's far less sexy than looking at tutorial of people doing boned out ollies with shit explanations, but I'm all for fundamentals over flash.
(sorry for the wall of text, too much coffee after lunch)
shalom
All in the toes, and calf. I used to think you had to stomp them, like bring your back foot off and smash it down hard like you were killing a cockroach.
Ghost pop happens for all setups, your current setup should be good for now. But when the gear madness hits just pop on over to Shoes & Gear; we'll bring you down the rabbit hole.
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anyone got tips or practice steps for getting my back straighter? i’m doing what ben degros talked about with the hinging back thing, but not as bad. im working on that as well as getting them more forward. i spent an hour or so throughout the day today between online classes and got outside to cruise and try to pop some and it was great. i found a little bank to do weenie ollies into but practice is practice. im trying to get comfortable doing them a little bit faster and eventually to cruising speed, so i can hop over sewer grates and up curbs etc.
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ollies. literally ollies. for how simple and fundamental they are, they are becoming the bane of my life! i’ve heard people say it took them 6 months to get decent ollies and i was kinda surprised but now that i’m learning them myself it’s understandable why it takes so long. i can do other stuff too, i like skating transition and can do other basic tricks that don’t require ollies. it just seems like i’ve hit a wall on my skating where i gotta learn how to ollie at long last. and so the battle begins.. with that, anyone got any pointers/secrets that come to mind that’ll help a beginner out?
shalom pals
Get a cardboard box and try ollying over it. Then get a bigger one, and then a bigger one and so on. Eventually you'll lose your fear and progress real fast. I went from incapability to ollie over a stick to ollying 6 boards easy in a span of 10 months :D Just practice and youll get there!
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Frontside pop shove its. Not the shitty kind that barely gets off the ground but ones that go straight up and straight down. im getting real, real close and Im getting nods from dudes at spots so im doing something right, but damn its one fucked up trick to learn
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i think i open my shoulders up too much during kickflip. sometimes in the air my left hand goes so far back it touches my right arm (regular).
The wear on my shoes is all wrong too i think. I get holes super fast on like the inside of my big toe, when I see most other ppl have it closer to their ollie hole.
idk what to do to fix. I spent some time just holding my arms out straight like an airplane to try to stop it. Kind of tempted to just grab a broomstick and hold it out in front of me so i stop opening my damn shoulders so much
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i think i open my shoulders up too much during kickflip. sometimes in the air my left hand goes so far back it touches my right arm (regular).
The wear on my shoes is all wrong too i think. I get holes super fast on like the inside of my big toe, when I see most other ppl have it closer to their ollie hole.
idk what to do to fix. I spent some time just holding my arms out straight like an airplane to try to stop it. Kind of tempted to just grab a broomstick and hold it out in front of me so i stop opening my damn shoulders so much
Send a video if you do that sounds absolutely hilarious :D
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i can't not over-rotate back disasters
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I think Mcrank said the key is to not dip your head, leave your shoulders facing the opposing wall.
It's ok to over rotate the bottom half....just not the upper.....
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Crooked grinds... I can do them slappy on curbs and parking blocks and feel good getting out, but have the hardest time getting out of them on ledges... I just fall off onto my board every now and then. Tips would be appreciated!
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Crooked grinds... I can do them slappy on cribs and parking blocks and feel good getting out, but have the hardest time getting out of them on ledges... I just fall off onto my board every now and then. Tips would be appreciated!
I would tell you to have more of your weight and alignment over the top of the obstacle you're grinding and less over to the side (basically the ideal position is to be crushing the front truck directly from above with the back foot inside the concave just for guidance) and maybe approach it more like a b/s nosegrind than like a noseslide conceptually if that makes sense, but I'm really too jealous that you can get high enough to slappy cribs.
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1/2 Cab Noseslide 270 out
Had fun trying them before I torqued my ankle slightly. I'm not rotating enough and slowly during the exit to regular, all 4 wheels are on the concrete before I pivot / revert / wheel scrape 180 instead of just 90 degrees or less. Any tips of getting a more natural rotation out?
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Pivot to fakie... i just can’t fathom it. Or maybe i just can’t commit.
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Crooked grinds... I can do them slappy on cribs and parking blocks and feel good getting out, but have the hardest time getting out of them on ledges... I just fall off onto my board every now and then. Tips would be appreciated!
I would tell you to have more of your weight and alignment over the top of the obstacle you're grinding and less over to the side (basically the ideal position is to be crushing the front truck directly from above with the back foot inside the concave just for guidance) and maybe approach it more like a b/s nosegrind than like a noseslide conceptually if that makes sense, but I'm really too jealous that you can get high enough to slappy cribs.
Just don't be afraid to really bash the front truck, but lean back too... don't know how to explain it really, it just works. Slappied the crib the other day.
approach it more like a b/s nosegrind than like a noseslide conceptually if that makes sense
I think this is my problem when it comes to ledges honestly, gonna reframe that shit next time I'm out trying them
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Crooked grinds... I can do them slappy on cribs and parking blocks and feel good getting out, but have the hardest time getting out of them on ledges... I just fall off onto my board every now and then. Tips would be appreciated!
I would tell you to have more of your weight and alignment over the top of the obstacle you're grinding and less over to the side (basically the ideal position is to be crushing the front truck directly from above with the back foot inside the concave just for guidance) and maybe approach it more like a b/s nosegrind than like a noseslide conceptually if that makes sense, but I'm really too jealous that you can get high enough to slappy cribs.
Just don't be afraid to really bash the front truck, but lean back too... don't know how to explain it really, it just works. Slappied the crib the other day.
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approach it more like a b/s nosegrind than like a noseslide conceptually if that makes sense
I think this is my problem when it comes to ledges honestly, gonna reframe that shit next time I'm out trying them
The not sure if this is applicable to your situation, but the two pieces of advice that helped me were to:
A) Have all my weight on top of the ledge, really standing over the grind.
B) Go faster.
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Focus on getting your truck on the ledge, not just the nose. Weight over the truck, not the nose. Ollie slightly higher than you think you'll need, if you're slipping off it sounds like you're not getting high enough to get a secure lock into the edge.
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Pivot to fakie... i just can’t fathom it. Or maybe i just can’t commit.
I remember them feeling unfathomable until I learned them, like you almost have to already be able to do them before you can do one for the first time haha. But things I think help are -
Your body has to be in the position of rock fakie, maybe even leaned back more than you would a rock fake as well. Don't turn your upper body, just your legs, and don't get on top of the coping as much as a regular 50 stall.
Lean your weight away from the back of the board in both directions, away from the tail and the ramp
(https://i.imgur.com/2TdJUde.jpg)
And the main bit is the heel toe magic. Get into the 50 with only the heel side of your truck on the coping, with all your weight on your heel. When you're ready to come in transfer all your weight to your toes. If your body is in the right place then your board will come straight back in.
And yeah they take a lot of commitment. Learn them on something that isn't too steep and you're not afraid to hang up / shoot out on.
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1/2 Cab Noseslide 270 out
This one and its nollie counterpart elude me too even though I do nollie tails and halfcab noses a lot, to the point where I'd be more comfortable trying to pretzel out the other way, but I know exactly why, it's because I don't want to commit to a 360 trick from that position, a lot of the rotation is blindside and it's pretty scary launching yourself off the obstacle that particular way. But if I really wanted to learn them I think I'd focus on the 360 and not the noseslide/tailslide part to the point where locking in would be an afterthought, so my shoulders would be aligned with what I'm actually trying to do. I kind of see it like when people do, say, halfcab k b/s 180 out and it looks like they really just kind of caballerial'd with some nosepick action in the middle. You gotta trust the trick and momentum and dare to shift your weight, which is exactly what I know at least I don't do. Kind of similar to people first learning bigspins and constantly slipping out because they underestimate how much they need to spin and are (again) scared to commit to so much. For nollie tailslide to fakies I literally imagine I'm doing a frontside 180 nollie on flat with an accessory tailslide in the middle, the flow of the motion is everything so I assume one has to approach the boosted version the same way. Also one thing I'm just now realizing that also resonates with that logic is I used to do switch boardslide 270's a lot and those always felt like flatground switch 360 ollies to me where you'd just delay the rotation a tiny bit.
On occasion I do do this shitty trick where I'll land into manual after a halfcab nose by accident and have too much momentum in my upper body so to stay on the board I'll spontaneously revert back to fakie from there, so it's like a halfcab nose 270 on the wrong truck but that's a mistake and not the real thing. That reflex actually happens a lot to me as a 'save' to roll away from ledge tricks I catch myself accidentally landing on the back truck, even simple front boards.
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Im trying to learn fs 180 switch manuals but with the exception of a fluke here and there, can’t seem to find the balance point to get into the manual.
Anyone have any advice?
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Try facing forward before you pop and keep shoulder turning to a minimum. To compensate, scoop the back foot in the pocket a lot more than you would for a regular front 180.
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Nollie fs 180. I have every other 180 motion locked but I’ve always struggled with this variation the most for some reason. I can land them 40% of the time sketchy but it’s maybe 5% that’s actually popped and clean. In fact today, after a long session of trying semi dangerous tricks on rails and stairs, a nollie fs 180 on flatground tweaked my ankle and ended my session.
I try to think of it like a halfcab when setting up my feet and how I move my shoulders but it feels so different. How do you guys set up for it?
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For nollie fs 180s I sort of hang a bit of my heel off the pocket with my toes middle of the nose and have my back foot sort of mid foot, maybe a bit heelside. I actually love that trick, I'm very consistent with them but I don't pop them too high either so Idk.
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Fakie flip and fakie heel. I am always sleeping out. I never stay on the board.
Also half cab, I know I should just try for an hour but I always forget. I only do them in games of SKATE. I can still do them but they are ugly as fuck. And when I try to pop them it does a weird half cab heel.
Try doing it to Fakie 50 on a good curb. Sounds weird but it will trap the board so you can meet up with it.
Like Fakie shuvs. To do a big one I gotta have a tall box or manny pad to land on. Up is easier than flat.
Borrow the will of the spoon
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1/2 Cab Noseslide 270 out
This one and its nollie counterpart elude me too even though I do nollie tails and halfcab noses a lot, to the point where I'd be more comfortable trying to pretzel out the other way, but I know exactly why, it's because I don't want to commit to a 360 trick from that position, a lot of the rotation is blindside and it's pretty scary launching yourself off the obstacle that particular way. But if I really wanted to learn them I think I'd focus on the 360 and not the noseslide/tailslide part to the point where locking in would be an afterthought, so my shoulders would be aligned with what I'm actually trying to do. I kind of see it like when people do, say, halfcab k b/s 180 out and it looks like they really just kind of caballerial'd with some nosepick action in the middle. You gotta trust the trick and momentum and dare to shift your weight, which is exactly what I know at least I don't do. Kind of similar to people first learning bigspins and constantly slipping out because they underestimate how much they need to spin and are (again) scared to commit to so much. For nollie tailslide to fakies I literally imagine I'm doing a frontside 180 nollie on flat with an accessory tailslide in the middle, the flow of the motion is everything so I assume one has to approach the boosted version the same way. Also one thing I'm just now realizing that also resonates with that logic is I used to do switch boardslide 270's a lot and those always felt like flatground switch 360 ollies to me where you'd just delay the rotation a tiny bit.
On occasion I do do this shitty trick where I'll land into manual after a halfcab nose by accident and have too much momentum in my upper body so to stay on the board I'll spontaneously revert back to fakie from there, so it's like a halfcab nose 270 on the wrong truck but that's a mistake and not the real thing. That reflex actually happens a lot to me as a 'save' to roll away from ledge tricks I catch myself accidentally landing on the back truck, even simple front boards.
Finding that speed and just focusing on the rotation out is helpful. I do they really shitty, I'll rotate out to regular and slide the remaining 180 on the ground a 1/2 second after my wheels make contact with the ground. I'm going to try getting my left shoulder (I ride regular) points parallel to the ledge instead of perpendicular, so that will help with exit rotation. I was thinking if it helps to visualize the exit to nose manual and pivot off from there.
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about those nollie fs 180s: i have no guidelines for this trick other than i basically just try to do a nollie and lead the turn with my shoulders and if i popped the nollie clean at the right time it just stays under me. it's one of those switch/nollie tricks i'm less consistent with than the fakie counterpart but i usually do them better than those or their reg counterpart. like sw fs shoves or sw fs 180s for me personally.
i don't know why, but fakie the same trick works different for me. i scoop those way more and thus tend to overrotate those and not get as much pop at them as the nollie ones.
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Pop shuvs for sure. Half the time I land primo.
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Pop shuvs for sure. Half the time I land primo.
Lift your front foot straight up when you pop it.
Ironically I am terrible at doing normal shoves, I have to pop it everytime which is very inconvenient when I just want to switch my board around during a line.
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Pop shuvs for sure. Half the time I land primo.
Put your back foot in a front shuv or ollie position instead of a scoopy one, no toe hanging off.
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Whenever I do a front shove it's always about 10 degrees short of coming the whole way round, no matter what I do. Also pop shoves are pretty much the only trick I can get any height on, but frontside ones just drag along the ground even if I pop the shit out of them
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Half cab manuals. I have no idea why they don't work for me.
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I want to tail block desperately.
what are you trying it on?
And what’s the problem?
I learned on concrete banks, something that your tail isn’t going to slip out on (like round metal coping)
A lot of people think it’s just clicking the board up to your hand, but that’s not it at all. There is actually a tiny ollie into it, you just hop up into the tail.
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Half cab manuals. I have no idea why they don't work for me.
This is one of my only manny tricks. You gotta go at a good speed and pop early as you would any fakie trick, but the biggest thing for me is in my shoulders. When I'm getting ready to pop I preemptively start turning my shoulders to the point where they're almost parallel to the pad. That way the half-cab up feels more stable and I just have to worry about the manual, which is a can of worms in itself as any manual trick is for me, haha.
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I think the key to pretty much all 180 to manual tricks is to turn your shoulders as little as possible in the air. Also landing at 90 and pivoting the last bit helps to stop your momentum so you can hold the manual
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I think the key to pretty much all 180 to manual tricks is to turn your shoulders as little as possible in the air.
This. Halfcab manny/nosemanny is exactly like a normal ollie into manny/nosemanny but you come from an awkward angle (rolling up to the obstacle fakie and all that) and essentially correct that approach into your usual posture as soon as you pop, with your shoulders leading the way. By the time your tail even hits the ground, you should already have less than 45 degrees left of turning to do with your upper body, be facing the right way and positioned for a normal manny/nosemanny you would have just carved into from fakie. Don't think about the halfcab.
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fuckin back tails on tranny. tried em for a good 20 minutes the other day and cant force my weight up onto the deck. any tips?
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Don't try to as much, stay leant way into the ramp, point your front foot a bit and scoop the fuck out of your back foot the way you would to do a revert on the floor. turn your shoulders before you start to turn to the point where you don't even need to turn them any more while doing the trick.
Edit - unless you mean slides, in which case I assume you can already stall them. I'm not the best at them but it's kind of the same technique as a stall but go at more of an angle that feels comfortable and exaggerate the movement in a bit. You need to push your back foot beyond your bodyweight to make it slide
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fuckin back tails on tranny. tried em for a good 20 minutes the other day and cant force my weight up onto the deck. any tips?
i only did this on small like chest high tranny, but trying to pop into it helped me. with tall transition i only managed to bs tailtap and always do it like a glorified kickturn. i can't even bs tail on street, with tranny i just kind of know how to whip the bs ollie so i can smack my tail, but the shoulders have to be aligned right or it's slip out season.
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sick,thanks Billy n Frank. ill keep those tips in mind next sesh
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Varial Heels. I had them on lock before i stoped skating for a long time. Since i'm back on the board, they come and go. Sometimes session to session. I think i landed some of my best varial heels ever this summer. Just to find myself trying and missing every try for the next 2 weeks.
Made me sleepless
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I like to do everything Fakie regs or switch. I'm wasn't really down to improve my nollie flips etc as a kid.
The are always like trying to hit a home run with your eyes closed.
I would like to change that to little light low effort putting green nollie flip or heel.
Casual not CRACK flip POW.
I need command of this trick so badly but it's usually More like a 90° head bang or a slip out palm slap on polished plaza marble or on porous skatepark ground...
It's got to be my shoulders because I have most flip 80s and shuv flips with in a few trys. Nollie tre 1/30?-40 trys in flat maybe. On a really good day.
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Do ollie blunts and pivot to fakie count as basic tricks?
Both of those I used to have down on anything, but neither want to work for me any more.
They are probably the two most basic of mini ramp tricks that any decent ramp skater should have in their bag, but balance issues and lazy skateboarding means they are often missing in action or very sloppily done. Pivot to fakie I tend to slide in more than pivot in and blunts usually go sideways if I don't just jump off.
Not a big deal either way as I know things are going downhill but sometimes it is so frustrating that they just don't want to work.
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Do ollie blunts and pivot to fakie count as basic tricks?
Both of those I used to have down on anything, but neither want to work for me any more.
They are probably the two most basic of mini ramp tricks that any decent ramp skater should have in their bag, but balance issues and lazy skateboarding means they are often missing in action or very sloppily done. Pivot to fakie I tend to slide in more than pivot in and blunts usually go sideways if I don't just jump off.
Not a big deal either way as I know things are going downhill but sometimes it is so frustrating that they just don't want to work.
dunno about basic but i know what you mean, either eway both of those tricks scare the piss out of me
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the good and old regular heelflip, weird ass trick, I can do shovit heels, bs heels, ss heel stuff, but regular heel is never consistent and a lot of times go out all fucked up rocket etc
I only do those on game of skates and shit, I quitted trying to be good at it lol
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the good and old regular heelflip, weird ass trick, I can do shovit heels, bs heels, ss heel stuff, but regular heel is never consistent and a lot of times go out all fucked up rocket etc
I only do those on game of skates and shit, I quitted trying to be good at it lol
I been the same for a good ten years dude!
my buddy who has em dialed gave me a tip last summer that really helps - 'its a side of your foot flip' & the foot set up is way closer to an ollie position than the grom-ass toes off the side shit i was doing
tha being said, i stil suck at them but a little less than i did before haha