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Title: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: AxionCityStars on November 10, 2017, 10:31:20 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BbUq8Pyl4iY/

Your thoughts below.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: Gary Ate My Peanuts on November 10, 2017, 10:34:08 AM
I mean, obviously it's a slip on but there's no Vans logo. Too bad they shelved it I would have loved to have that beside my klansmen deck.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: MintySandwhich on November 10, 2017, 10:36:09 AM
Maybe they would rather not get involved in something so controversial to play it safe business-wise

Although that graphic is rad
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: Gary Ate My Peanuts on November 10, 2017, 10:39:32 AM
Correction - it's an authentic if you look at the stitching, which would make sense because Chima mostly wears authentics.

Some guy commented
"I think the the idea in a western perspective may seem evident .. Although in a vast part Asia and other countries the dialogue may be lost in translation?. Red on black colors for the symbol may make it more apparent. At any rate.. Fuck racism and may you all go forth into a pleasant day"

That could make sense IMO.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: shit_for_brains on November 10, 2017, 10:41:49 AM
I'd want my company left out of someone else's politics whether I agreed with them or not also.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: slappies on November 10, 2017, 10:45:43 AM
I think the logical conclusion is that Vans loves Nazis.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: doomstation55 on November 10, 2017, 10:47:41 AM
My buddy (who doesn't skate but IS Jewish) once said that Vans soles have a star of david on there because it was an anti-semetic company and the symbolism is "stomping on Jews." He claimed he didn't make it up, but one of his family friends worked at VF and told him that.

Since his source was not a Euro TM I don't believe him tho, just stirring the pot.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: 7 year old on November 10, 2017, 10:50:01 AM
Weird how if you stomp on a nazi symbol it cracks just like an iphone screen. Is this graphic also anti-sock? I love socks.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: TwisT on November 10, 2017, 10:57:45 AM
the artist post feels like subtle shade toward vans. I can understand nonoffensive brand like van's not wanting to be associated with any drama what so ever.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: expired on November 10, 2017, 11:13:01 AM
My buddy (who doesn't skate but IS Jewish) once said that Vans soles have a star of david on there because it was an anti-semetic company and the symbolism is "stomping on Jews." He claimed he didn't make it up, but one of his family friends worked at VF and told him that.

Since his source was not a Euro TM I don't believe him tho, just stirring the pot.

Haha I'm jewish and I've always said the sole looks like a bunch of stars of David, would never have assumed it meant "stomping on jews" I'm gunna stick with my idea that it is just a functional design for a sole
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: QueeferMadness on November 10, 2017, 11:18:08 AM
Lol so dumb
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: shark tits on November 10, 2017, 11:33:50 AM
and and and..... if you hold your marlboros the right way there's 3 stylized K's and a klansmen seiging heil.
and there's a K on the bottom of snapple cause it's Klan owned.
and 311 = k, k and k.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: Francis Xavier on November 10, 2017, 11:39:36 AM
My boss is white,must be a Klansman
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: fulltechnicalskizzy on November 10, 2017, 11:49:31 AM
My boss is white,must be a Klansman
Not necessarily, but if he is not using his privilege to embolden POC voices and actively help dismantle systematic oppression then he is just another part of the problem and really might as well be.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: Gary Ate My Peanuts on November 10, 2017, 11:53:26 AM
My boss is white,must be a Klansman
Not necessarily, but if he is not using his privilege to embolden POC voices and actively help dismantle systematic oppression then he is just another part of the problem and really might as well be.

Okay, okay, okay, okay.

Yes, 100% would be (if this were real) part of the problem, but would certainly not be just as bad as a klansman.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: fulltechnicalskizzy on November 10, 2017, 11:53:38 AM
also you have been reported
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: shit_for_brains on November 10, 2017, 11:54:48 AM
also you have been reported

Reported.

This comment has been reported also.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: saucy ragu on November 10, 2017, 12:01:11 PM
I can understand nonoffensive brand like van's not wanting to be associated with any drama what so ever.

I'd agree with this if they didn't release a shoe with blood & semen (Metallica collab) on it last season. I understand, but I still don't dig it. Whomever the marketing rep/decision maker on this is soft.

Correction - it's an authentic if you look at the stitching, which would make sense because Chima mostly wears authentics.

Closer, but they're Eras, Authentics don't have padding on the collar.

Since his source was not a Euro TM someone's mom I don't believe him tho, just stirring the pot.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: imad on November 10, 2017, 12:20:15 PM
Someone please tear down all Vans buildings and burn every pair of their shoes so that we can reverse history and end their Nazi regime.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: mex.ceferino on November 10, 2017, 12:23:47 PM
I think the logical conclusion is that Vans loves ARE Nazis.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: Francis Xavier on November 10, 2017, 12:25:25 PM
My boss is white,must be a Klansman
Not necessarily, but if he is not using his privilege to embolden POC voices and actively help dismantle systematic oppression then he is just another part of the problem and really might as well be.

Okay, okay, okay, okay.

Yes, 100% would be (if this were real) part of the problem, but would certainly not be just as bad as a klansman.

I had to explain white privilege to him,so maybe he's whatever is under a Klansman.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: augustmoon on November 10, 2017, 12:28:55 PM
vans is a huge corporation.  they're not going to touch anything with a swastika on it, even if its showing it in a negative light. 
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: Gary Ate My Peanuts on November 10, 2017, 12:30:45 PM
I can understand nonoffensive brand like van's not wanting to be associated with any drama what so ever.

I'd agree with this if they didn't release a shoe with blood & semen (Metallica collab) on it last season. I understand, but I still don't dig it. Whomever the marketing rep/decision maker on this is soft.

Correction - it's an authentic if you look at the stitching, which would make sense because Chima mostly wears authentics.

Closer, but they're Eras, Authentics don't have padding on the collar.

Since his source was not a Euro TM someone's mom I don't believe him tho, just stirring the pot.

Jesus christ. I know the difference, I missed that too. My bad.

Does this mean I need to

A: Lay off the weed?

B: Smoke more weed?
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: ducky darnsworth on November 10, 2017, 12:49:33 PM
why not just change the shoe if you want the graphic to go through
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: CRAILFISH TO REVERT on November 10, 2017, 12:52:56 PM
That pussy assed swazi shattered before it even got stepped on.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: underknowledge on November 10, 2017, 01:15:05 PM
what pussies afraid to be against nazi
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: sms_b on November 10, 2017, 01:22:15 PM
gawdamnit, now I can't buy vans. Good-bye buds, we had a good run but now I'm going to have to go with Adidas. Oh wait, Adidas is named after and founded by a Nazi. Shit. Fuck. 

swoosh.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on November 10, 2017, 02:12:11 PM
why not just change the shoe if you want the graphic to go through
  He suggested that he will release another version so the sole purpose of the post is to throw shade at vans.  Involve vans with a lil bit of drama and create some hype, seem extra dangerous and ' out here on the front lines'.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: doublesteveburger on November 10, 2017, 02:17:17 PM
Sensitive artist vents on social media. Draw something else and be quiet.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: colt cannon lunchbox on November 10, 2017, 02:22:56 PM
I have only just recently learned that that swastika logo isn't just associated with Nazis, but before then was actually used in India for completely different reasons.

I know this because I saw a swastika above the cash register at an Indian supermarket so I asked the guy why it was there. It raises a good question: Is it okay for them to use it if they were completely unaware of how it was used throughout WW2? The worker didn't know it had anything to do with Hitler.

I think in Australia in 2017, the swastika is primarily associated with killing jews so ummmm fuck no we shouldn't use it, even if you are unaware. Not in a public place at least.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: shark tits on November 10, 2017, 02:27:21 PM
israel stole the folks nation symbol.
symbols cannot be created nor destroyed, only repurposed.
that indian was prolly a nazi, don't let him pull your leg
http://rlawellness.wikispaces.com/file/view/folk_nation/223060286/289x211/folk_nation
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: colt cannon lunchbox on November 10, 2017, 02:33:22 PM
israel stole the folks nation symbol.
symbols cannot be created nor destroyed, only repurposed.
that indian was prolly a nazi, don't let him pull your leg
http://rlawellness.wikispaces.com/file/view/folk_nation/223060286/289x211/folk_nation

I'm pretty certain he wasn't a Nazi. When I confronted him about it and said the word 'Hitler' he was really scared. His English wasn't great but as soon as I said that he said he would take it down. I don't think a nazi would do that?

Funnily enough, this was in a really multicultural part of Melbourne where a pretty famous skinhead movie was filmed
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: SodaJerk on November 10, 2017, 02:34:29 PM
I have only just recently learned that that swastika logo isn't just associated with Nazis, but before then was actually used in India for completely different reasons.

I know this because I saw a swastika above the cash register at an Indian supermarket so I asked the guy why it was there. It raises a good question: Is it okay for them to use it if they were completely unaware of how it was used throughout WW2? The worker didn't know it had anything to do with Hitler.

I think in Australia in 2017, the swastika is primarily associated with killing jews so ummmm fuck no we shouldn't use it, even if you are unaware. Not in a public place at least.
So you're saying a symbol that has been around for thousands of years can't be displayed by someone from the culture it originates from because it was appropriated by Nazis? Ok man. You should go back there and tell him that.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: SodaJerk on November 10, 2017, 02:35:36 PM
israel stole the folks nation symbol.
symbols cannot be created nor destroyed, only repurposed.
that indian was prolly a nazi, don't let him pull your leg
http://rlawellness.wikispaces.com/file/view/folk_nation/223060286/289x211/folk_nation

I'm pretty certain he wasn't a Nazi. When I confronted him about it and said the word 'Hitler' he was really scared. His English wasn't great but as soon as I said that he said he would take it down. I don't think a nazi would do that?

Funnily enough, this was in a really multicultural part of Melbourne where a pretty famous skinhead movie was filmed
Kensington?
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: fulltechnicalskizzy on November 10, 2017, 02:38:21 PM
Swastiker's only offensive if you use the er
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: colt cannon lunchbox on November 10, 2017, 02:41:20 PM
I have only just recently learned that that swastika logo isn't just associated with Nazis, but before then was actually used in India for completely different reasons.

I know this because I saw a swastika above the cash register at an Indian supermarket so I asked the guy why it was there. It raises a good question: Is it okay for them to use it if they were completely unaware of how it was used throughout WW2? The worker didn't know it had anything to do with Hitler.

I think in Australia in 2017, the swastika is primarily associated with killing jews so ummmm fuck no we shouldn't use it, even if you are unaware. Not in a public place at least.
So you're saying a symbol that has been around for thousands of years can't be displayed by someone from the culture it originates from because it was appropriated by Nazis? Ok man. You should go back there and tell him that.

No what I mean is that you can't just use these symbols as you please hence why I said 'not in a public place at least'

Would it be okay for this guy to wear a swastika in a Jewish community? No. Would it be okay to use in India? Yeah, probably.

Footscray btw
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: Gary Ate My Peanuts on November 10, 2017, 02:47:14 PM
I have only just recently learned that that swastika logo isn't just associated with Nazis, but before then was actually used in India for completely different reasons.

I know this because I saw a swastika above the cash register at an Indian supermarket so I asked the guy why it was there. It raises a good question: Is it okay for them to use it if they were completely unaware of how it was used throughout WW2? The worker didn't know it had anything to do with Hitler.

I think in Australia in 2017, the swastika is primarily associated with killing jews so ummmm fuck no we shouldn't use it, even if you are unaware. Not in a public place at least.
So you're saying a symbol that has been around for thousands of years can't be displayed by someone from the culture it originates from because it was appropriated by Nazis? Ok man. You should go back there and tell him that.

No what I mean is that you can't just use these symbols as you please hence why I said 'not in a public place at least'

Would it be okay for this guy to wear a swastika in a Jewish community? No. Would it be okay to use in India? Yeah, probably.

Footscray btw

Nah man. If it originated from his culture that's his right. It's your and everyone else's job to do your research and not make assumptions. Buddy doesn't have to explain shit if he doesn't want to.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: colt cannon lunchbox on November 10, 2017, 02:54:18 PM
I have only just recently learned that that swastika logo isn't just associated with Nazis, but before then was actually used in India for completely different reasons.

I know this because I saw a swastika above the cash register at an Indian supermarket so I asked the guy why it was there. It raises a good question: Is it okay for them to use it if they were completely unaware of how it was used throughout WW2? The worker didn't know it had anything to do with Hitler.

I think in Australia in 2017, the swastika is primarily associated with killing jews so ummmm fuck no we shouldn't use it, even if you are unaware. Not in a public place at least.
So you're saying a symbol that has been around for thousands of years can't be displayed by someone from the culture it originates from because it was appropriated by Nazis? Ok man. You should go back there and tell him that.

No what I mean is that you can't just use these symbols as you please hence why I said 'not in a public place at least'

Would it be okay for this guy to wear a swastika in a Jewish community? No. Would it be okay to use in India? Yeah, probably.

Footscray btw

Nah man. If it originated from his culture that's his right. It's your and everyone else's job to do your research and not make assumptions. Buddy doesn't have to explain shit if he doesn't want to.

Just because it originated from his culture doesn't mean it's okay to use in a public space. The swastika originated from German culture, that doesn't make it okay to use does it? If it is everyone's job to do research then how is this guy not at fault? Over five million Jews were killed it was the largest genocide of all time. This guy was completely unaware but for some reason you are targetting me for not doing my research?
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: Gary Ate My Peanuts on November 10, 2017, 03:01:27 PM
I have only just recently learned that that swastika logo isn't just associated with Nazis, but before then was actually used in India for completely different reasons.

I know this because I saw a swastika above the cash register at an Indian supermarket so I asked the guy why it was there. It raises a good question: Is it okay for them to use it if they were completely unaware of how it was used throughout WW2? The worker didn't know it had anything to do with Hitler.

I think in Australia in 2017, the swastika is primarily associated with killing jews so ummmm fuck no we shouldn't use it, even if you are unaware. Not in a public place at least.
So you're saying a symbol that has been around for thousands of years can't be displayed by someone from the culture it originates from because it was appropriated by Nazis? Ok man. You should go back there and tell him that.

No what I mean is that you can't just use these symbols as you please hence why I said 'not in a public place at least'

Would it be okay for this guy to wear a swastika in a Jewish community? No. Would it be okay to use in India? Yeah, probably.

Footscray btw

Nah man. If it originated from his culture that's his right. It's your and everyone else's job to do your research and not make assumptions. Buddy doesn't have to explain shit if he doesn't want to.

Just because it originated from his culture doesn't mean it's okay to use in a public space. The swastika originated from German culture, that doesn't make it okay to use does it? If it is everyone's job to do research then how is this guy not at fault? Over five million Jews were killed it was the largest genocide of all time. This guy was completely unaware but for some reason you are targetting me for not doing my research?

As previously mentioned, swastika was appropriated by Germans. I'm not targeting you for not doing research, all I'm saying is that you can't get upset with him for using it. He has a right to religious freedoms.

Yes, I can agree that if he's in Australia then maybe he should be aware of what was done with the swastika by the Germans but that doesn't revoke his right to use it as it was originally intended.

While we're on the subject of research though, maybe you could use this link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: shark tits on November 10, 2017, 03:14:37 PM
i'm all for free speech but if we're gonna ban symbols, the union jack reminds me of the irish genocide. mike tyson's chairman mao tattoo is prolly offensive to the families of 100 million dead chinese.
the red banner of socialism and millions of dead russians under stalin.
american flag to indians and blacks.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on November 10, 2017, 03:24:26 PM
i'm all for free speech but if we're gonna ban symbols, the union jack reminds me of the irish genocide. mike tyson's chairman mao tattoo is prolly offensive to the families of 100 million dead chinese.
the red banner of socialism and millions of dead russians under stalin.
american flag to indians and blacks.
  Right so out of all those things you mention (union jack flag ect )in terms of which one of them presents the greatest threat of genocide in our present times, its the swatiska.  The least interesting fucking fact people tell you once in a while; "the swatiska's not bad you know, it's thousands of years old,"
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: shark tits on November 10, 2017, 03:35:46 PM
i'm all for free speech but if we're gonna ban symbols, the union jack reminds me of the irish genocide. mike tyson's chairman mao tattoo is prolly offensive to the families of 100 million dead chinese.
the red banner of socialism and millions of dead russians under stalin.
american flag to indians and blacks.
  Right so out of all those things you mention (union jack flag ect )in terms of which one of them presents the greatest threat of genocide in our present times, its the swatiska.  The least interesting fucking fact people tell you once in a while; "the swatiska's not bad you know, it's thousands of years old,"
stalin and hitler were around the same time. stalin also killed comparable amount of ukrainians by starvation [holomodor] asides a larger number of his own people.
mao was last century too.
native americans came closer to dying out as a people than jews so maybe the american flag is the most offensive?
we're used to seeing the other symbols as just flags but who's to say?
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on November 10, 2017, 03:52:42 PM
 It's not about what's most offensive.  The arayan/racist/white power use and have used that symbol to recruit and spread hate, the swatiska is a mega brand.  It has no other present use or purpose.  The union jack and american flag which you flimsily compared to the swatiska at least have a case both ways.  Why even try for that comparison? 
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: habby on November 10, 2017, 04:09:20 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BbUq8Pyl4iY/

Your thoughts below.

why ya tryna start controversy for no good reason kiddo?
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: professional on November 10, 2017, 04:09:25 PM
I have only just recently learned that that swastika logo isn't just associated with Nazis, but before then was actually used in India for completely different reasons.

I know this because I saw a swastika above the cash register at an Indian supermarket so I asked the guy why it was there. It raises a good question: Is it okay for them to use it if they were completely unaware of how it was used throughout WW2? The worker didn't know it had anything to do with Hitler.

I think in Australia in 2017, the swastika is primarily associated with killing jews so ummmm fuck no we shouldn't use it, even if you are unaware. Not in a public place at least.

The swastika was a symbol originally used in Buddhism, Hinduism and Jainism. It wasn't roughly 1930 that the Nazi's adopted it and bastardized it's image. One culture used it as a sacred symbol, the other used it as a symbol for murder and hate.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: GinosGroceries on November 10, 2017, 04:18:49 PM
You know, I always thought it was odd that VANS stood for "Vans Are Nazi Sympathizers."

Now it all makes sense.

Jk
 alsothis is a classic example of someone using "just saying" to mask their ulterior motive.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: ImportantGuy on November 10, 2017, 04:44:58 PM
OP : great thread.

It's a sad time when a company is afraid to take a stand against fascism. I think the graphic is sick.

As for symbols changing meaning, great. It's time to repurpose the swastika into something else, as I think it looks pretty cool.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on November 10, 2017, 04:52:16 PM
OP : great thread.

It's a sad time when a company is afraid to take a stand against fascism. I think the graphic is sick.

As for symbols changing meaning, great. It's time to repurpose the swastika into something else, as I think it looks pretty cool.
  -yea sounds like a piece of cake, shouldn't take long at all, good lil project.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: ImportantGuy on November 10, 2017, 04:54:27 PM
If the nazis could pull it off, surely we can too.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on November 10, 2017, 04:57:51 PM
It's not funny although its good to laught man.  The swatiska thing matters cause genocide happens
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: ImportantGuy on November 10, 2017, 05:04:27 PM
I just think it's possible for an old buddhist symbol to mean what it originally did.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on November 10, 2017, 05:05:15 PM
I just think it's possible for an old buddhist symbol to mean what it originally did.
  So what if its possible, fuckn pick your battles good man!
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: ImportantGuy on November 10, 2017, 05:10:28 PM
You'll never get those nollie heel crooks down with an attitude like that.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: shark tits on November 10, 2017, 05:14:26 PM
i'm w/ important guy. he reclaimed bono.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on November 10, 2017, 05:19:44 PM
You'll never get those nollie heel crooks down with an attitude like that.
  gnared
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: 7 year old on November 10, 2017, 06:04:33 PM
If the nazis could pull it off, surely we can too.
I don't actually have anything to say about this, I'm just quoting it out of context so you look like a neo nazi.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: ckswank on November 10, 2017, 06:09:02 PM
its weird that being against nazis is now seen as radical
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: ImportantGuy on November 10, 2017, 06:45:45 PM
its weird that being against nazis is now seen as radical
It's pretty fucking unsettling. I also like how these retards constantly trying to silence free speech are the same ones who use it as a pretext to spew their hate all over us.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: ChuckRamone on November 10, 2017, 07:11:35 PM
why didnít the nazis just create their own symbol instead of using a reverse image swastika? thatís theft of artistic work. fucking unoriginal morons.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: ImportantGuy on November 10, 2017, 09:04:44 PM
why didnít the nazis just create their own symbol instead of using a reverse image swastika? thatís theft of artistic work. fucking unoriginal morons.
Unfortunately, they weren't the first and they won't be the last. What you said kinda reminds me of what Gonz said about style, like ''skateboarding is about seeing someone doing something, then doing it better and making it yours'' or something along those lines.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: Hands down Hass out on November 10, 2017, 09:19:34 PM
I have only just recently learned that that swastika logo isn't just associated with Nazis, but before then was actually used in India for completely different reasons.

I know this because I saw a swastika above the cash register at an Indian supermarket so I asked the guy why it was there. It raises a good question: Is it okay for them to use it if they were completely unaware of how it was used throughout WW2? The worker didn't know it had anything to do with Hitler.

I think in Australia in 2017, the swastika is primarily associated with killing jews so ummmm fuck no we shouldn't use it, even if you are unaware. Not in a public place at least.
So you're saying a symbol that has been around for thousands of years can't be displayed by someone from the culture it originates from because it was appropriated by Nazis? Ok man. You should go back there and tell him that.

No what I mean is that you can't just use these symbols as you please hence why I said 'not in a public place at least'

Would it be okay for this guy to wear a swastika in a Jewish community? No. Would it be okay to use in India? Yeah, probably.

Footscray btw

Nah man. If it originated from his culture that's his right. It's your and everyone else's job to do your research and not make assumptions. Buddy doesn't have to explain shit if he doesn't want to.

bump ben k skinhead thread
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: ImportantGuy on November 10, 2017, 09:36:26 PM
You'll never get those nollie heel crooks down with an attitude like that.
  gnared
Go fuck yourself.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: Chavo on November 10, 2017, 09:58:19 PM
He doesn't need Vans's permission. I went to school with a few neo-nazis who wore Vans when not in Docs.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: muntcuscle on November 10, 2017, 10:53:44 PM
He doesn't need Vans's permission. I went to school with a few neo-nazis who wore Vans when not in Docs.

well thats all the proof i needed
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: Hastings on November 11, 2017, 03:01:33 AM
I have only just recently learned that that swastika logo isn't just associated with Nazis, but before then was actually used in India for completely different reasons.

I know this because I saw a swastika above the cash register at an Indian supermarket so I asked the guy why it was there. It raises a good question: Is it okay for them to use it if they were completely unaware of how it was used throughout WW2? The worker didn't know it had anything to do with Hitler.

I think in Australia in 2017, the swastika is primarily associated with killing jews so ummmm fuck no we shouldn't use it, even if you are unaware. Not in a public place at least.
So you're saying a symbol that has been around for thousands of years can't be displayed by someone from the culture it originates from because it was appropriated by Nazis? Ok man. You should go back there and tell him that.

No what I mean is that you can't just use these symbols as you please hence why I said 'not in a public place at least'

Would it be okay for this guy to wear a swastika in a Jewish community? No. Would it be okay to use in India? Yeah, probably.

Footscray btw

Nah man. If it originated from his culture that's his right. It's your and everyone else's job to do your research and not make assumptions. Buddy doesn't have to explain shit if he doesn't want to.

Just because it originated from his culture doesn't mean it's okay to use in a public space. The swastika originated from German culture, that doesn't make it okay to use does it? If it is everyone's job to do research then how is this guy not at fault? Over five million Jews were killed it was the largest genocide of all time. This guy was completely unaware but for some reason you are targeting me for not doing my research?

Not sure if you are trolling but...
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4071/4525274963_b7d8ea6e7c_z.jpg)

The one on the left is still used around the world quite a bit, wishing good luck/peace with no problems.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: SodaJerk on November 11, 2017, 04:51:49 AM
When you go to the Carlsberg brewery in Copenhagen there are these massive stone carved elephants outside and some of them have the the Buddhist style swazzi carved on them. Do you think someone should censor them?
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on November 11, 2017, 05:08:58 AM
You'll never get those nollie heel crooks down with an attitude like that.
  gnared
Go fuck yourself.
  fine, I thought your response was funny there mean guy..
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on November 11, 2017, 05:27:45 AM
I have only just recently learned that that swastika logo isn't just associated with Nazis, but before then was actually used in India for completely different reasons.

I know this because I saw a swastika above the cash register at an Indian supermarket so I asked the guy why it was there. It raises a good question: Is it okay for them to use it if they were completely unaware of how it was used throughout WW2? The worker didn't know it had anything to do with Hitler.

I think in Australia in 2017, the swastika is primarily associated with killing jews so ummmm fuck no we shouldn't use it, even if you are unaware. Not in a public place at least.
So you're saying a symbol that has been around for thousands of years can't be displayed by someone from the culture it originates from because it was appropriated by Nazis? Ok man. You should go back there and tell him that.

No what I mean is that you can't just use these symbols as you please hence why I said 'not in a public place at least'

Would it be okay for this guy to wear a swastika in a Jewish community? No. Would it be okay to use in India? Yeah, probably.

Footscray btw

Nah man. If it originated from his culture that's his right. It's your and everyone else's job to do your research and not make assumptions. Buddy doesn't have to explain shit if he doesn't want to.

Just because it originated from his culture doesn't mean it's okay to use in a public space. The swastika originated from German culture, that doesn't make it okay to use does it? If it is everyone's job to do research then how is this guy not at fault? Over five million Jews were killed it was the largest genocide of all time. This guy was completely unaware but for some reason you are targeting me for not doing my research?

Not sure if you are trolling but...
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4071/4525274963_b7d8ea6e7c_z.jpg)

The one on the left is still used around the world quite a bit, wishing good luck/peace with no problems.
Good thing your around friend.  Theres alot of misinformation and people condemming the swatiska.  It is obviously a very important to educate people of its fuckin buddist origin because we don't have bigger problems right now than the swatiska being slandered.    edit in all truthfulness its true that one man fucked up a symbol AND a mustache style for everyone.  Or you can choose to fly in the face of that and get the half inch mustache in the middle and make some tshirts ^out of you're swatiska awareness poster.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: tobey on November 11, 2017, 06:50:33 AM
(http://s3cf.recapguide.com/img/tv/64/11x1/Its-Always-Sunny-in-Philadelphia-Season-11-Episode-1-13-fbc1.jpg)

Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: ImportantGuy on November 11, 2017, 07:01:20 AM
You'll never get those nollie heel crooks down with an attitude like that.
  gnared
Go fuck yourself.
  fine, I thought your response was funny there mean guy..
Yeah it would have been funnier in person, sorry :( I was just kidding.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on November 11, 2017, 07:04:15 AM
You'll never get those nollie heel crooks down with an attitude like that.
  gnared
Go fuck yourself.
  fine, I thought your response was funny there mean guy..
 
Yeah it would have been funnier in person, sorry :( I was just kidding.
  gnared again!  (edit  i have to wait apparently , I have gnared to much in 24 hrs(?)
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: excitableboy on November 11, 2017, 07:07:23 AM
I must be missing something about that graphic because it seems pretty trite to me. Is it supposed to be a smart phone or something?
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: ImportantGuy on November 11, 2017, 07:26:18 AM
I must be missing something about that graphic because it seems pretty trite to me. Is it supposed to be a smart phone or something?
I feel so dumb when I have no idea whether someone is joking or not..
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: Watson on November 11, 2017, 09:02:05 AM
You guys really need to familiarize yourself with ManWoman. All will become clear.

(https://i.imgur.com/8R07jPn.jpg)
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51dXOaMj6qL._SX258_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: the_unknown_soldier on November 11, 2017, 09:13:54 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BVGB5T_lUUa/?taken-by=refugesk8shop


Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: ImportantGuy on November 11, 2017, 09:15:10 AM
You guys really need to familiarize yourself with ManWoman. All will become clear.

(https://i.imgur.com/8R07jPn.jpg)
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51dXOaMj6qL._SX258_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)

Wow. I think it's fair to say this dude was ahead of the curve. Thanks for that. His arms look fucking sick.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: Little Debbie on November 11, 2017, 09:53:43 AM
just change the stitching on the shoe and the sole pattern and call it a day. if Vans can't find themselves implicated, then it's just up to Jim to OK the graphic, no?
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: Watson on November 11, 2017, 10:31:09 AM
You guys really need to familiarize yourself with ManWoman. All will become clear.

(https://i.imgur.com/8R07jPn.jpg)
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51dXOaMj6qL._SX258_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)

Wow. I think it's fair to say this dude was ahead of the curve. Thanks for that. His arms look fucking sick.

No problem. I'm a bit of an expert on swazis. One time returning to Canada after a road trip to the US, I got pulled aside and had to give the border guard a history lesson on the difference between gentle swazis and nazi swazis because I had a picture of a swazi pizza on my phone.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: Stoop Kid 2.0 on November 11, 2017, 12:35:59 PM
I have only just recently learned that that swastika logo isn't just associated with Nazis, but before then was actually used in India for completely different reasons.

I know this because I saw a swastika above the cash register at an Indian supermarket so I asked the guy why it was there. It raises a good question: Is it okay for them to use it if they were completely unaware of how it was used throughout WW2? The worker didn't know it had anything to do with Hitler.

I think in Australia in 2017, the swastika is primarily associated with killing jews so ummmm fuck no we shouldn't use it, even if you are unaware. Not in a public place at least.
So you're saying a symbol that has been around for thousands of years can't be displayed by someone from the culture it originates from because it was appropriated by Nazis? Ok man. You should go back there and tell him that.

No what I mean is that you can't just use these symbols as you please hence why I said 'not in a public place at least'

Would it be okay for this guy to wear a swastika in a Jewish community? No. Would it be okay to use in India? Yeah, probably.

Footscray btw

Nah man. If it originated from his culture that's his right. It's your and everyone else's job to do your research and not make assumptions. Buddy doesn't have to explain shit if he doesn't want to.

Just because it originated from his culture doesn't mean it's okay to use in a public space. The swastika originated from German culture, that doesn't make it okay to use does it? If it is everyone's job to do research then how is this guy not at fault? Over five million Jews were killed it was the largest genocide of all time. This guy was completely unaware but for some reason you are targeting me for not doing my research?

Not sure if you are trolling but...
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4071/4525274963_b7d8ea6e7c_z.jpg)

The one on the left is still used around the world quite a bit, wishing good luck/peace with no problems.
Good thing your around friend.  Theres alot of misinformation and people condemming the swatiska.  It is obviously a very important to educate people of its fuckin buddist origin because we don't have bigger problems right now than the swatiska being slandered.    edit in all truthfulness its true that one man fucked up a symbol AND a mustache style for everyone.  Or you can choose to fly in the face of that and get the half inch mustache in the middle and make some tshirts ^out of you're swatiska awareness poster.

Little fun fact but Bruce Lee has the one on the left on his casket.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: Dwyck on November 11, 2017, 12:50:21 PM
(http://78.media.tumblr.com/4afe00cdcab9ea0ec98ba8c88541909c/tumblr_oyz465q1v31tzofdno1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: Pretty Serious on November 11, 2017, 12:57:53 PM


Quote
Good thing your around friend.  Theres alot of misinformation and people condemming the swatiska.  It is obviously a very important to educate people of its fuckin buddist origin because we don't have bigger problems right now than the swatiska being slandered.    edit in all truthfulness its true that one man fucked up a symbol AND a mustache style for everyone.  Or you can choose to fly in the face of that and get the half inch mustache in the middle and make some tshirts ^out of you're swatiska awareness poster.
Not to mention a perfectly good name.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: shark tits on November 11, 2017, 01:06:25 PM
the hairstyle made a comeback recently, i have faith the mustache will have it's day.
of all hitler's mannerisms i think seig-ing heil looks the coolest. that's how a woman should greet her husband when gets home from a hard days' work. or after you land a trick you've been battling. beats hell out of 'yeeew' or 'yiiip'.
alas, richard spencer set it back 20 yrs seiging heil to trump.
i think the way to mainstream is it to use it as a cheer for a black player. 'heil jordan'.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: Francis Xavier on November 11, 2017, 01:18:38 PM
There's a lot of history lessons given on this dudes jewelry instagram when posts rings with swazis on em' and such.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BY0wp_iHOFn/
Even after people get learned they see one and get pissed. I understand both sides, but we're decades away from appropriating in the light it was originated
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: Allen. on November 11, 2017, 02:10:26 PM
 Not giving a penny to Z even though that shirt is sick.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: botefdunn on November 11, 2017, 03:07:17 PM
racism/fascism is wack, but so is this graphic


just because its polarizing or ethically-aligned doesnt mean its good. maybe whoever vetoed the graphic was just avoiding saying they didnt like it?

i imagine this hanging behind the bar at some hipster cafe.

sorry to the artist, its cleanly done, but i find it generic in a way that a vans logo isnt gonna mend
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: colt cannon lunchbox on November 11, 2017, 03:50:13 PM
racism/fascism is wack, but so is this graphic


just because its polarizing or ethically-aligned doesnt mean its good. maybe whoever vetoed the graphic was just avoiding saying they didnt like it?

i imagine this hanging behind the bar at some hipster cafe.

sorry to the artist, its cleanly done, but i find it generic in a way that a vans logo isnt gonna mend

I don't think real's art department give a shit what the art is like. I've been looking at ovals for the last 10 years. They have got to be the most recognisable company that still has the most generic graphics
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: tobey on November 11, 2017, 04:34:03 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BVGB5T_lUUa/?taken-by=refugesk8shop




We should all get behind this message. Stomping out Ben K will definitely improve the skate industry
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: ImportantGuy on November 11, 2017, 06:37:07 PM
racism/fascism is wack, but so is this graphic


just because its polarizing or ethically-aligned doesnt mean its good. maybe whoever vetoed the graphic was just avoiding saying they didnt like it?

i imagine this hanging behind the bar at some hipster cafe.

sorry to the artist, its cleanly done, but i find it generic in a way that a vans logo isnt gonna mend
Compared to anything done by Blind, Plan-B, Almost, a lot of companies I can't think of right now cause I'm drunk, and 98% of what Real usually does, it's pretty cool.

I like that it takes a risk, too. Reminds me of 90's graphics.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: botefdunn on November 11, 2017, 07:06:22 PM
racism/fascism is wack, but so is this graphic


just because its polarizing or ethically-aligned doesnt mean its good. maybe whoever vetoed the graphic was just avoiding saying they didnt like it?

i imagine this hanging behind the bar at some hipster cafe.

sorry to the artist, its cleanly done, but i find it generic in a way that a vans logo isnt gonna mend
Compared to anything done by Blind, Plan-B, Almost, a lot of companies I can't think of right now cause I'm drunk, and 98% of what Real usually does, it's pretty cool.

I like that it takes a risk, too. Reminds me of 90's graphics.

true thats its better than a lot of real graphics, but that aint saying much. i thought of the 90s too, but this lacks the humour somehow, unless im just not getting it. you spell real purty for a drunk
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: ImportantGuy on November 11, 2017, 07:12:43 PM
racism/fascism is wack, but so is this graphic


just because its polarizing or ethically-aligned doesnt mean its good. maybe whoever vetoed the graphic was just avoiding saying they didnt like it?

i imagine this hanging behind the bar at some hipster cafe.

sorry to the artist, its cleanly done, but i find it generic in a way that a vans logo isnt gonna mend
Compared to anything done by Blind, Plan-B, Almost, a lot of companies I can't think of right now cause I'm drunk, and 98% of what Real usually does, it's pretty cool.

I like that it takes a risk, too. Reminds me of 90's graphics.

true thats its better than a lot of real graphics, but that aint saying much. i thought of the 90s too, but this lacks the humour somehow, unless im just not getting it. you spell real purty for a drunk
I'm buzzed, not drunk (sounded cooler I guess).

There's nothing to get as this isn't a joke. We got a racism/fascism problem. Might as well talk about it.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: SodaJerk on November 12, 2017, 01:07:18 AM
racism/fascism is wack, but so is this graphic


just because its polarizing or ethically-aligned doesnt mean its good. maybe whoever vetoed the graphic was just avoiding saying they didnt like it?

i imagine this hanging behind the bar at some hipster cafe.

sorry to the artist, its cleanly done, but i find it generic in a way that a vans logo isnt gonna mend
Compared to anything done by Blind, Plan-B, Almost, a lot of companies I can't think of right now cause I'm drunk, and 98% of what Real usually does, it's pretty cool.

I like that it takes a risk, too. Reminds me of 90's graphics.
I guarantee you didn't skate in the 90's, did you?
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: ImportantGuy on November 12, 2017, 04:02:43 AM
racism/fascism is wack, but so is this graphic


just because its polarizing or ethically-aligned doesnt mean its good. maybe whoever vetoed the graphic was just avoiding saying they didnt like it?

i imagine this hanging behind the bar at some hipster cafe.

sorry to the artist, its cleanly done, but i find it generic in a way that a vans logo isnt gonna mend
Compared to anything done by Blind, Plan-B, Almost, a lot of companies I can't think of right now cause I'm drunk, and 98% of what Real usually does, it's pretty cool.

I like that it takes a risk, too. Reminds me of 90's graphics.
I guarantee you didn't skate in the 90's, did you?
No I did not. I started pushing around in 1999 (I'm 27). It just seemed like there were a lot more brands doing weird shit judging by the old ads I see today. False nostalgia?
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: excitableboy on November 12, 2017, 04:05:18 AM
Siding against nazi's is risquť now? Maybe this graphic is more needed than I thought then.

Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: DM on November 12, 2017, 07:54:05 AM
My friend Peter had these t's made up recently, seems an apt place to post a picture
https://www.instagram.com/p/BY8PFh7nuUm/?taken-by=thesplintercell
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on November 12, 2017, 10:10:29 AM
  Hey this quote is from an friend, I don't think it embodies all of slap but it does speak to many discourses on here- "I'm sick of cis men treating conversations as contests as if oppression is merely entertainment"  (I realize tho its part of the fun but it can retardify outcomes)
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: botefdunn on November 12, 2017, 12:53:09 PM
  Hey this quote is from an friend, I don't think it embodies all of slap but it does speak to many discourses on here- "I'm sick of cis men treating conversations as contests as if oppression is merely entertainment"  (I realize tho its part of the fun but it can retardify outcomes)

and I'm sick of people treating their subjects of entertainment as though they were strictly political. Too many fake radicals these days. Whoever mentioned that the swaz looked like an iphone, that would actually be interesting to me, some sort of commentary on the place fascism occupies in modern times.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on November 12, 2017, 02:34:40 PM
  Hey this quote is from an friend, I don't think it embodies all of slap but it does speak to many discourses on here- "I'm sick of cis men treating conversations as contests as if oppression is merely entertainment"  (I realize tho its part of the fun but it can retardify outcomes)

and I'm sick of people treating their subjects of entertainment as though they were strictly political. Too many fake radicals these days. Whoever mentioned that the swaz looked like an iphone, that would actually be interesting to me, some sort of commentary on the place fascism occupies in modern times.
\
  Ya know, the title of this thread pretty much spells out that the subject is political.  I didn't say anything radical imo.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: botefdunn on November 12, 2017, 04:40:20 PM
  Hey this quote is from an friend, I don't think it embodies all of slap but it does speak to many discourses on here- "I'm sick of cis men treating conversations as contests as if oppression is merely entertainment"  (I realize tho its part of the fun but it can retardify outcomes)

and I'm sick of people treating their subjects of entertainment as though they were strictly political. Too many fake radicals these days. Whoever mentioned that the swaz looked like an iphone, that would actually be interesting to me, some sort of commentary on the place fascism occupies in modern times.
\
  Ya know, the title of this thread pretty much spells out that the subject is political.  I didn't say anything radical imo.

my comments were in response to your friend's quote, I'll try and clarify:
the question of a graphic's artistic merit is not in competition with a discussion of its politics, that's a false dichotomy.
Claiming the type of moral authority that automatically invalidates somebody's else's right to engage in a conversation is a radical position.

Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on November 12, 2017, 06:11:13 PM
  Hey this quote is from an friend, I don't think it embodies all of slap but it does speak to many discourses on here- "I'm sick of cis men treating conversations as contests as if oppression is merely entertainment"  (I realize tho its part of the fun but it can retardify outcomes)

and I'm sick of people treating their subjects of entertainment as though they were strictly political. Too many fake radicals these days. Whoever mentioned that the swaz looked like an iphone, that would actually be interesting to me, some sort of commentary on the place fascism occupies in modern times.
\
  Ya know, the title of this thread pretty much spells out that the subject is political.  I didn't say anything radical imo.

my comments were in response to your friend's quote, I'll try and clarify:
the question of a graphic's artistic merit is not in competition with a discussion of its politics, that's a false dichotomy.
Claiming the type of moral authority that automatically invalidates somebody's else's right to engage in a conversation is a radical position.
     
  I'm  literally too stupid to understand your response. -That's not sarcasm or a dis  She seems smart and I bet she would.  Edit; Also to her credit I took it out of a larger context.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: botefdunn on November 12, 2017, 06:15:56 PM
  Hey this quote is from an friend, I don't think it embodies all of slap but it does speak to many discourses on here- "I'm sick of cis men treating conversations as contests as if oppression is merely entertainment"  (I realize tho its part of the fun but it can retardify outcomes)

and I'm sick of people treating their subjects of entertainment as though they were strictly political. Too many fake radicals these days. Whoever mentioned that the swaz looked like an iphone, that would actually be interesting to me, some sort of commentary on the place fascism occupies in modern times.
\
  Ya know, the title of this thread pretty much spells out that the subject is political.  I didn't say anything radical imo.

my comments were in response to your friend's quote, I'll try and clarify:
the question of a graphic's artistic merit is not in competition with a discussion of its politics, that's a false dichotomy.
Claiming the type of moral authority that automatically invalidates somebody's else's right to engage in a conversation is a radical position.
     
  I'm  literally too stupid to understand your response. -That's not sarcasm or a dis  She seems smart and I bet she would.

just tell her I was triggered
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: ImportantGuy on November 12, 2017, 09:11:34 PM
So can we agree that the graphic could be a lot better but that its subject matter is super relevant and needs to be talked about? Shit's getting outta hand.

Edit : can we agree that we know nothing and literally everything we say that isn't directly tied to our survival is mental masturbation?
I've never been so unsure of anything.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: bawtawd5 on November 13, 2017, 02:56:26 AM
Nazis aren't relevant, neither is fascism. Its a grab for brownie points for people who live in the social media world.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: ImportantGuy on November 13, 2017, 03:42:52 AM
Nazis aren't relevant, neither is fascism. Its a grab for brownie points for people who live in the social media world.
Wellllllllll, I mean... Speaking against  fascism will be relevant as long as there is war. There is still war, right?
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: Double Pegasus on November 13, 2017, 04:02:06 AM
Nazis aren't relevant, neither is fascism. Its a grab for brownie points for people who live in the social media world.

when was the last time you saw the news?

cant believe vans want to keep the customers that would feel alienated by this graphic; condemning nazis and the alt right is just about the least controversial thing you can do in 2017

i would say i wont buy anymore shoes from them but i already quit after they started gluing only the bottom of their outsole, haven't had a pair last longer than 4 weeks since 2016
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: D. Bag on November 13, 2017, 02:39:08 PM
Nazis aren't relevant, neither is fascism. Its a grab for brownie points for people who live in the social media world.
So much this.

It's as if the media would have you believe there's about to be a Klan uprising in every city across the nation, when the only militant ones demanding you abide by the rules or suffer are the same people pushing this tired meme.

Nazis suck, and social justice Antifa-style kooks who are the polar opposite suck as well, I'd like to toss 'em all in a hole and bury them all alive so we can never deal with either extreme again.  Someone needs to make a graphic of that, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: eranka on November 13, 2017, 02:51:50 PM
There was this rumor circulating around Israel for years that Vans was antisemitic because it has a star of david pattern on the sole and when you write Vans on a hebrew keyboard without switching language it says "destroy" in hebrew. but why would vans use a hebrew keyboard anyway when they named it like 40 years ago?
this is also a classic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtFLTS1FKCc
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: Surf-goth on November 13, 2017, 02:57:49 PM
What is this "cis" bullshit?
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on November 13, 2017, 03:19:01 PM
What is this "cis" bullshit?
 
I don't know what cis is, I was quoting my friend, - you don't know what is but ur out of the gate with calling it "bullshit"?   -why?
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: shark tits on November 13, 2017, 03:28:54 PM
cis is a prefix that usually comes before some heterophobic comments.
'cis men make me sick'.
it means like hetero, born w/ a penis men. or women but usually it's always 'cis men' or 'cis white men' and their entitlement [being said by an entitled college educated person].
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on November 13, 2017, 03:35:28 PM
cis is a prefix that usually comes before some heterophobic comments.
'cis men make me sick'.
it means like hetero, born w/ a penis men. or women but usually it's always 'cis men' or 'cis white men' and their entitlement [being said by an entitled college educated person].
 
The way your using the  term 'heterophobic' makes it sound like it's an epidemic.  Like heterosexuals lives are in danger like gay peoples are.  -But I see alot of twisted fuckn shit said on the internet.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on November 13, 2017, 03:37:23 PM
   treating conversations as contests as if oppression is merely entertainment"
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: shark tits on November 13, 2017, 03:38:35 PM
cis is a prefix that usually comes before some heterophobic comments.
'cis men make me sick'.
it means like hetero, born w/ a penis men. or women but usually it's always 'cis men' or 'cis white men' and their entitlement [being said by an entitled college educated person].
 
The way your using the  term 'heterophobic' makes it sound like it's an epidemic.  Like heterosexuals lives are in danger like gay peoples are.  -But I see alot of twisted fuckn shit on the internet.
you're putting that on it, not me.
i just mean phobic as 'anti' w/ condescension and derision like how some people use 'fag'. it's not actually 'scared' of gays and it's not actually endangering them but it's a pejorative.
i see 'cis' thrown around the same way on the internet.
i've got faith though, in a decade or so it'll die out and everyone will be more accepting of each other
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: Surf-goth on November 13, 2017, 03:57:14 PM
Just as i suspected. It's some bullshit.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on November 13, 2017, 04:00:23 PM
Just as i suspected. It's some bullshit.
  You thought it was feminist bullshit from the start.  You may have well have said so in the 1st place instead of baiting
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on November 13, 2017, 04:01:39 PM
Just as i suspected. It's some bullshit.
 
You thought it was feminist bullshit from the start.  You may have well have said so in the 1st place instead of baiting
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on November 13, 2017, 04:02:20 PM
Just as i suspected. It's some bullshit.
 
You thought it was feminist bullshit from the start.  You may have well have said so in the 1st place instead of baiting
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: Surf-goth on November 13, 2017, 04:05:18 PM
I knew it was bullshit but i wasn't sure exactly what it was.i just went by context so don't get your panties in a bunch.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: ImportantGuy on November 13, 2017, 04:07:06 PM
When discussions spiral into shit like this it's time to drop 250ug lsd and stare at a lake for a minute.

This thread is getting fucking retarded.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: Schmaltz on November 13, 2017, 04:08:25 PM
I went to DSW to buy some work shoes yesterday and they had a whole isle that was slip ons, old schools and skate-hi's.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: Atiba Applebum on November 13, 2017, 04:13:03 PM
I went to DSW to buy some work shoes yesterday and they had a whole isle that was slip ons, old schools and skate-hi's.

you heard it here first - Vans x Isle x DSW collabo
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: Dwyck on November 13, 2017, 04:38:31 PM
When discussions spiral into shit like this it's time to drop 250ug lsd and stare at a lake for a minute.

This thread is getting fucking retarded.
you are my favorite poster
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: ImportantGuy on November 13, 2017, 04:51:33 PM
When discussions spiral into shit like this it's time to drop 250ug lsd and stare at a lake for a minute.

This thread is getting fucking retarded.
you are my favorite poster
Awww
Really though, we now have dudes hating on dudes that hate hate.
Loving it.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: Zurg on November 13, 2017, 04:58:55 PM
I went to DSW to buy some work shoes yesterday and they had a whole isle that was slip ons, old schools and skate-hi's.

damn an entire isle?
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on November 13, 2017, 05:13:35 PM
When discussions spiral into shit like this it's time to drop 250ug lsd and stare at a lake for a minute.

This thread is getting fucking retarded.
  Yeah if you don't like the subject just say something deflective that 'everyone can agree on, cheers'.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: ImportantGuy on November 13, 2017, 05:19:30 PM
Yeah, since "everyone" agrees on taking acid LOL.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: shark tits on November 13, 2017, 05:23:44 PM
i ate a stem this morning [microdosing is my new shit] and i realized skateboarding is a modern version of mountain dancing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2caty04plA
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: ImportantGuy on November 13, 2017, 05:27:45 PM
I really gotta get into microdosing! I gotta admit, I've mostly megadosed.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on November 13, 2017, 05:28:21 PM
Yeah, since "everyone" agrees on taking acid LOL.
   Well no one talks shit about Fred gall.(edit nor should they) Anybody who knows anything knows that vice is currency in the skate world and that it gives you credability as a skater (especially pros).
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: ImportantGuy on November 13, 2017, 05:32:03 PM
Yo, I've loved skateboarding for 17 years and I can't even recall one Fred Gall trick. All I know is all you "core" dudes are all over his knob.

All I'm trying to say is... Uh, I don't know anymore.

Edit : I am now contributing to this thread being not about this thread. Sorry thread.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on November 13, 2017, 05:34:54 PM
Yo, I've loved skateboarding for 17 years and I can't even recall one Fred Gall trick. All I know is all you "core" dudes are all over his knob.

All I'm trying to say is... Uh, I don't know anymore.

Knob is harsh dude but the guy is facinating.  I remember when he came out, he had his own style.  Look at his old shit, and find the switch front blunt he does.  There was literally no shit out like that a that point.  Stand up today for sure.  It was 94?
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: ImportantGuy on November 13, 2017, 05:42:53 PM
Yo, I've loved skateboarding for 17 years and I can't even recall one Fred Gall trick. All I know is all you "core" dudes are all over his knob.

All I'm trying to say is... Uh, I don't know anymore.

Knob is harsh dude but the guy is facinating.  I remember when he came out, he had his own style.  Look at his old shit, and find the switch front blunt he does.  There was literally no shit out like that a that point.  Stand up today for sure.  It was 94?
I thought liking Puelo was enough to be "core". I guess I'll never be "core"  >:(
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on November 13, 2017, 07:12:12 PM
Yo, I've loved skateboarding for 17 years and I can't even recall one Fred Gall trick. All I know is all you "core" dudes are all over his knob.

All I'm trying to say is... Uh, I don't know anymore.

Knob is harsh dude but the guy is facinating.  I remember when he came out, he had his own style.  Look at his old shit, and find the switch front blunt he does.  There was literally no shit out like that a that point.  Stand up today for sure.  It was 94?
I thought liking Puelo was enough to be "core". I guess I'll never be "core"  >:(
 
      Huh?  Wow its so got nothing to do with that.  I appretiate these people who've contributed for real. -I got no hang ups bud. 
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: ImportantGuy on November 13, 2017, 09:03:59 PM
I know man, I gotta quit it with this joking shit. I'll get up to date on my Fred Gall and get back to y'all.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on November 13, 2017, 09:18:49 PM
I know man, I gotta quit it with this joking shit. I'll get up to date on my Fred Gall and get back y'all.
 
  I take things pretty literally and can at times be slightly a difficult person to kid around, not really bad but it's a quirk.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: Adam Abbas on November 13, 2017, 10:04:46 PM
I went to DSW to buy some work shoes yesterday and they had a whole isle that was slip ons, old schools and skate-hi's.

damn an entire isle?

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Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: Matthew_James on November 14, 2017, 06:29:56 AM
Since when do fake click bait titles on Slap get any love?
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: Francis Xavier on November 14, 2017, 06:32:33 AM
Since when do fake click bait titles on Slap get any love?
Since Clint beat off that homeless dude
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: ChuckRamone on November 14, 2017, 06:46:10 AM
the funniest thing about the alt right is the theory of white genocide. of all the forms of genocide that have been perpetrated - gassing, shooting, machetes - race mixing sounds like the least frightening way to be wiped out. ďyou have to have sex with people of other races and make babies. that sexy latina over there wants to genocide you.Ē if you believe there being only mixed-race people is a frightening prospect or that mixed-race babies are undesirable, I suppose that would be a form of punishment. but itís still pretty mild comparatively. and yet no one is being forced to mix races either, so thereís another hole in the theory. e.g., most of my white friends have white kids but thatís anecdotal.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: bawtawd5 on November 14, 2017, 07:12:50 AM
I think if you take the ugliest black and white people and breed them they wont carry the ugly genes on and make a new good looking mixed race lifeforms.
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: botefdunn on November 15, 2017, 03:33:30 PM
I went to DSW to buy some work shoes yesterday and they had a whole isle that was slip ons, old schools and skate-hi's.

damn an entire isle?

nice, very nice
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: ClintVsElijahRound2 on November 15, 2017, 04:42:41 PM
worked at a vans store two years god forgive me
anyways every year managers go to california for training vacation whatever and my manager said paul van doren sure loves that n slur
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: Burt Ward on November 15, 2017, 06:52:43 PM
worked at a vans store two years god forgive me
anyways every year managers go to california for training vacation whatever and my manager said paul van doren sure loves that n slur

OMG I BELIEVE EVERY WORD YOUR MANAGER SAID!
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: Francis Xavier on November 15, 2017, 07:23:40 PM
worked at a vans store two years god forgive me
anyways every year managers go to california for training vacation whatever and my manager said paul van doren sure loves that n slur
Steve Van Doren once made me a quesadilla because I'm hispanic (actually it was because hot dogs and burgers ran out,believe what you want)
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: ImportantGuy on November 15, 2017, 09:56:01 PM
worked at a vans store two years god forgive me
anyways every year managers go to california for training vacation whatever and my manager said paul van doren sure loves that n slur

OMG I BELIEVE EVERY WORD YOUR MANAGER SAID!
At the same time, what could his manager possibly gain by making up a rumour that this dude is racist? How often do you meet a guy and start telling your friends they use the n-word when they don't?
Title: Re: Vans doesn't want to lose it's alt right racist consumers.
Post by: slappies on November 16, 2017, 07:39:20 AM
worked at a vans store two years god forgive me
anyways every year managers go to california for training vacation whatever and my manager said paul van doren sure loves that n slur

OMG I BELIEVE EVERY WORD YOUR MANAGER SAID!
At the same time, what could his manager possibly gain my making up a rumour that this dude is racist? How often do you meet a guy and start telling your friends they use the n-word when they don't?

I do all the time, I'm running a constant smear campaign against literally everyone I meet.