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Title: Bam got a DUI
Post by: tobey on January 08, 2018, 12:42:13 PM
http://www.tmz.com/2018/01/08/bam-margera-arrested-dui/
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Big Skatefase on January 08, 2018, 12:48:14 PM
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Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Jacob Gary on January 08, 2018, 12:48:45 PM
What a jackass.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Seadramon on January 08, 2018, 01:01:27 PM
Guess the whole parenting thing's going well..

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Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Jehoshaphat Augustus on January 08, 2018, 01:09:11 PM
I guess it's back to spain? I wonder in which exotic locale he picked to retox
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Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: childhood on January 08, 2018, 01:15:50 PM
Relapses are sad, but they happen.

Driving drunk, especially after your friend died under similar circumstances, and you have enough money to get a driver, is fucked up though.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Paco Supreme on January 08, 2018, 01:17:09 PM
Guess the whole parenting thing's going well..


I believe, Andy Roy is the godfather too...  :-\
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: GAY on January 08, 2018, 01:24:07 PM
Yeah, relapse is more common than staying sober.

Still...what a dork.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Tyroneshoelaces on January 08, 2018, 01:33:18 PM
bummer.  you could tell it was going to happen after watching that documentary a couple months ago tho.  Anyone who has been sober for a long time would smell it a mile away-  when the subject of drinking came up and he was like "yeah, well,that.... i'm skating RIGHT NOW". Cut scene. 

There's a dude who can't bring himself to considering truly stopping.  good luck though Bam! 
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: D. Bag on January 08, 2018, 01:36:36 PM
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Guess the whole parenting thing's going well..

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I believe, Andy Roy is the godfather too...  :-\

There's no better uncle to teach a young lad the subtle nuances of prison rape.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: fulltechnicalskizzy on January 08, 2018, 01:43:22 PM
"The Bees and the Bees with Pretty Mouths"
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: micky682 on January 08, 2018, 01:46:39 PM
Kind of sad to see companies like Element, Vice, and eS trying to quickly profit off Bam and his "comeback" when it was clear to many viewers he was not sober in the same way someone like AVE or Reynolds is.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on January 08, 2018, 01:52:24 PM
Kind of sad to see companies like Element, Vice, and eS trying to quickly profit off Bam and his "comeback" when it was clear to many viewers he was not sober in the same way someone like AVE or Reynolds is.

Well.. Most normal people don't really understand addicts, its easy to buy into the whole "new leaf/new life" shtick. People who get sober relapse.. it's not inevitable, but common.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Grind King Rims on January 08, 2018, 02:18:18 PM
This sucks to see. Recovery from alcoholism is a process, and sometimes you stumble. But, he could have fucking killed someone and he, of all people, should know better.


Still rooting for you, Bam. Get back on that wagon.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: StabMasterArson on January 08, 2018, 02:26:38 PM
Life is about to wake Bam up like the way he used to do Phil.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: UserFame on January 08, 2018, 02:51:32 PM
Life is about to wake Bam up like the way he used to do Phil.

damn!
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Binomial Nomenclature on January 08, 2018, 02:58:50 PM
It's sad and I hope BAM can get sober. In his Epicly Later'd they talked about what he was doing to get sober and it didn't yet include AA or professional help. This might be the wake up call to seek that kind of guidance. Best of luck Bam, respect.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: DannyDee on January 08, 2018, 03:00:26 PM
It's sad and I hope BAM can get sober. In his Epicly Later'd they talked about what he was doing to get sober and it didn't yet include AA or professional help. This might be the wake up call to seek that kind of guidance. Best of luck Bam, respect.
Didn't someone imply that he wasn't doing it the right way.

I hope for Bam he gets the help he needs, and glad he didn't hurt anyone while he was behind the wheel.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on January 08, 2018, 03:05:37 PM
What a bummer. 2017 looks like it was going really well for him, too. Hopefully he gets better for his own sake and his kid's.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: stevedave on January 08, 2018, 03:22:03 PM
It's sad and I hope BAM can get sober. In his Epicly Later'd they talked about what he was doing to get sober and it didn't yet include AA or professional help. This might be the wake up call to seek that kind of guidance. Best of luck Bam, respect.

i'm sure the judge will require him to go to AA meetings and/or rehab, in addition to any fines and license suspension. His alcoholism is pretty well documented and with what happened to Dunn, the judge is not going to let him off easy. 
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: MexicanSpaniard on January 08, 2018, 03:28:14 PM
I didn't watch his el or nine club, I was baffled when I saw him getting pro boards again and was almost pissed when I saw es was giving him a shoe and was confused when I saw all the praise he was getting here on his 'return', I just remember him as the dude with the same tattoo as some other dude above his penis.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: whaaaaat on January 08, 2018, 04:15:28 PM
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It's sad and I hope BAM can get sober. In his Epicly Later'd they talked about what he was doing to get sober and it didn't yet include AA or professional help. This might be the wake up call to seek that kind of guidance. Best of luck Bam, respect.
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Didn't someone imply that he wasn't doing it the right way.

I hope for Bam he gets the help he needs, and glad he didn't hurt anyone while he was behind the wheel.

If I remember right that Brandon Novak guy said something about him wanting to be sober for skateboarding and not for himself yet and that that wasn't a sustainable way to do it, or something like that. 
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Beeda Weeda on January 09, 2018, 04:41:25 AM
I didn't watch his el or nine club, I was baffled when I saw him getting pro boards again and was almost pissed when I saw es was giving him a shoe and was confused when I saw all the praise he was getting here on his 'return', I just remember him as the dude with the same tattoo as some other dude above his penis.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Shifty Flip on January 09, 2018, 04:51:18 AM
I'm really curious what the reason for stopping to chat with the cops was.
Did they have his friends already pulled over and he thought he could talk then it if the ticket? Or offered to help a stranger? Or so drunk he just wanted to buddy buddy some random 6ups?
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on January 09, 2018, 05:06:47 AM
  ^he was on the phone so the cops flagged him  that's what the article says
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Jerkstore on January 09, 2018, 05:48:57 AM
What's this es shoe people are talking about...
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: MonsPubis on January 09, 2018, 05:56:56 AM
What's this es shoe people are talking about...

an Accel in that purple/black Adio colorway. Don't know if it'll still happen now- they were pretty on the fence with it.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Salty Lame Ass Poosey on January 09, 2018, 02:39:15 PM
My bad for not seeing this before I started a topic. Hopefully he pulls it together. I bet that Brandon N. guy is happy that the tables are turned. That Brandon N. guy seems like a snake.

http://m.tmz.com/#!article/2018/01/09/bam-margera-rehab-california-tv-commitments/
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: tobey on January 09, 2018, 04:33:35 PM
^More just like karma is a bitch. Better start writing down all the wrongs you did and making it up to those people

Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on January 09, 2018, 04:36:11 PM
Even though this topic is about a person with their life in shambles, can we all admit we just want our useless comments noticed and validated?
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: WarmUpZone on January 09, 2018, 04:41:47 PM
Sadly, a relapse for Bam was pretty obvious to anybody who watched that Epicly Later'd.
Dill back on hard drugs is next.

Total bummer. I really hope for the best for anybody getting sober, but if you have an addiction problem and you still hang with people using, and/or think you can just tough it out on your own without help, and/or you are 'just smoking weed now' or any of that you are gonna relapse for sure.

Hope Bam can get back on track. His comeback was one of the better stories of 2017.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: calvinsdream on January 10, 2018, 05:17:27 AM
Bam’s comeback just felt like an orchestrated cash grab by element, especially after their re release of like what...20 Bam decks or something within a week?
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Style Police on January 10, 2018, 02:44:47 PM
Have feeling this isn't the bottom for Bam. Wishing him the best.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Zumiez And Xanax on January 10, 2018, 02:53:04 PM
phil and ape are gonna be pissed!
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Budo on January 11, 2018, 09:17:33 PM
Element sponsoring his rehab?

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bd1klhQFBiV/?hl=en&taken-by=bam__margera

Probably not but it had to be said.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Paco Supreme on January 11, 2018, 09:23:26 PM
that chick looks pretty good for being beaten up by trujillo
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Badmeaningood on January 12, 2018, 01:30:27 AM
I think that's Bam's mrs?
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: shit_for_brains on January 12, 2018, 04:19:38 AM
That's Andy Roy's whatever.. probably calls her his "old lady". Nothing is a better omen for rehab than being dropped off by fucking Andy Roy.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Jehoshaphat Augustus on January 12, 2018, 04:31:43 AM
That's Andy Roy's whatever.. probably calls her his "old lady". Nothing is a better omen for rehab than being dropped off by fucking Andy Roy.
Have feeling this isn't the bottom for Bam. Wishing him the best.
I hope i'm wrong, but if he's still got people take him to rehab & voluntarily stop with him to take smiley pictures outside of it, it's probably not his last visit.
He's got a lot to learn about solitude and not depending on others, I don't think he's strong enough to stand on his own 2. If you are fat too, it means you lack the most basic of disciplines. This is precisely why someone like Kurt Cobain killed themselves, I can totally see why it makes sense.

"You either die a hero, or live long enough to grow fat and give your money to rehab centers." - Harvey Dent
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Burt Ward on January 12, 2018, 04:56:27 AM
Element sponsoring his rehab?

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bd1klhQFBiV/?hl=en&taken-by=bam__margera

Probably not but it had to be said.

Andy Roy lookin' like Popeye over 'ere! His laydeee is pretty hot. (insert I'd hit that joke here).
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: bawtawd5 on January 12, 2018, 05:03:15 AM
I don't see him getting full sober, but he's got a kid now, but that might a made him more nervous about life. Plus with the holidays I coulda seent it coming. I think this visit is more of a save face for the court and public thing though. seems like he's a solo drinker so its gonna be tough to fully stop if that's the case. Its easier to get sober with a bud.

Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Beeda Weeda on January 12, 2018, 05:13:11 AM
until he checks in on his own and sobers up for himself, this is pointless.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: iKobrakai on January 12, 2018, 05:34:05 AM
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It's sad and I hope BAM can get sober. In his Epicly Later'd they talked about what he was doing to get sober and it didn't yet include AA or professional help. This might be the wake up call to seek that kind of guidance. Best of luck Bam, respect.
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Didn't someone imply that he wasn't doing it the right way.

I hope for Bam he gets the help he needs, and glad he didn't hurt anyone while he was behind the wheel.
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If I remember right that Brandon Novak guy said something about him wanting to be sober for skateboarding and not for himself yet and that that wasn't a sustainable way to do it, or something like that.

I and some other addicts saw no value in own lives, so we had to do it for other people. I did it for my family, my friend did it for his kid.

From the beginning, any motivation is fine. After a while you start doing it for your self. I remember when my mom and dad would get all suspicious when they heard my voice over the phone. I just had a cold but they thought it was dope. I got kind of upset, but understood where they came from. Still I thought " Hey, I want to be sober, regardless".



Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: SOTY on January 12, 2018, 05:51:58 AM
Self-driving cars? As long as they don't become self-aware.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Jehoshaphat Augustus on January 12, 2018, 05:54:21 AM
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It's sad and I hope BAM can get sober. In his Epicly Later'd they talked about what he was doing to get sober and it didn't yet include AA or professional help. This might be the wake up call to seek that kind of guidance. Best of luck Bam, respect.
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Didn't someone imply that he wasn't doing it the right way.

I hope for Bam he gets the help he needs, and glad he didn't hurt anyone while he was behind the wheel.
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If I remember right that Brandon Novak guy said something about him wanting to be sober for skateboarding and not for himself yet and that that wasn't a sustainable way to do it, or something like that.
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I and some other addicts saw no value in own lives, so we had to do it for other people. I did it for my family, my friend did it for his kid.

From the beginning, any motivation is fine. After a while you start doing it for your self. I remember when my mom and dad would get all suspicious when they heard my voice over the phone. I just had a cold but they thought it was dope. I got kind of upset, but understood where they came from. Still I thought " Hey, I want to be sober, regardless".


Props to you, your friends, and Novak who have got out of the woods! Bam's EL, NineClub just screamed "honeymoon period" and even though people have been making $$ off recovery stories for a minute, skateboarding's profiteers fucked up over making some money off this.

It reminds me of a lot of people who enter recovery and get to step 4 and they wanna run to everyone immediately and make amends, then a lil time goes by, not even a year later, they're bored and back to using, and then the insanity cycle repeats: those same people have to hear an apology for an apology. 

If you got a Bam-style problem with alcohol, whatever: you need to remove yourself from that setting. Especially people who know/enable you. If I was him, and survival was really important, I'd do that young Bruce Wayne shit: divorce that enabling wife of his, move to fuckin Cambodia with nothing in my pockets, and get a measly existence at a job that's physically exhausting, skating only at shitty parks, once the weight drops off. It takes 7 years to completely change cell structure, about that time, his son will be ready to be with him, the real him. He could silently come back to PA, scoop up his son, and journey into the sunset, un-celebrated but totally intact and healthy.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: scaryghoul on January 12, 2018, 07:55:19 AM
I would be doing that young bruce wang shit if i had the money :-[
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: GAY on January 12, 2018, 09:24:36 AM
Element sponsoring his rehab?

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bd1klhQFBiV/?hl=en&taken-by=bam__margera

Probably not but it had to be said.

I was in rehab with a guy who played in a band called...3rd Strike, I think? His label paid for his place in rehab. In fact, the music industry has all kinds of funds and stuff in place for helping out musicians because they're so prone to turning into big messes.

I wonder if there are similar things in place with skate companies, particularly those with money behind them like Element.

Frog Skateboards, too. I could see Frog having a huge drug rehab fund going on.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on January 12, 2018, 09:29:44 AM
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It's sad and I hope BAM can get sober. In his Epicly Later'd they talked about what he was doing to get sober and it didn't yet include AA or professional help. This might be the wake up call to seek that kind of guidance. Best of luck Bam, respect.
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Didn't someone imply that he wasn't doing it the right way.

I hope for Bam he gets the help he needs, and glad he didn't hurt anyone while he was behind the wheel.
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If I remember right that Brandon Novak guy said something about him wanting to be sober for skateboarding and not for himself yet and that that wasn't a sustainable way to do it, or something like that.
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I and some other addicts saw no value in own lives, so we had to do it for other people. I did it for my family, my friend did it for his kid.

From the beginning, any motivation is fine. After a while you start doing it for your self. I remember when my mom and dad would get all suspicious when they heard my voice over the phone. I just had a cold but they thought it was dope. I got kind of upset, but understood where they came from. Still I thought " Hey, I want to be sober, regardless".

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Props to you, your friends, and Novak who have got out of the woods! Bam's EL, NineClub just screamed "honeymoon period" and even though people have been making $$ off recovery stories for a minute, skateboarding's profiteers fucked up over making some money off this.

It reminds me of a lot of people who enter recovery and get to step 4 and they wanna run to everyone immediately and make amends, then a lil time goes by, not even a year later, they're bored and back to using, and then the insanity cycle repeats: those same people have to hear an apology for an apology. 

If you got a Bam-style problem with alcohol, whatever: you need to remove yourself from that setting. Especially people who know/enable you. If I was him, and survival was really important, I'd do that young Bruce Wayne shit: divorce that enabling wife of his, move to fuckin Cambodia with nothing in my pockets, and get a measly existence at a job that's physically exhausting, skating only at shitty parks, once the weight drops off. It takes 7 years to completely change cell structure, about that time, his son will be ready to be with him, the real him. He could silently come back to PA, scoop up his son, and journey into the sunset, un-celebrated but totally intact and healthy.

One of my favourite slap posts.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Manolo on January 12, 2018, 09:36:18 AM
He wasn't going to start drinking again, just a bad night. He has to get in rehab only for the dui and stupid ass social media. Everybody starts to sound like tmz reporters nowadays.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Seadramon on January 12, 2018, 11:00:02 AM
that chick looks pretty good for being beaten up by trujillo

hahaha
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Francis Xavier on January 12, 2018, 11:49:39 AM
He wasn't going to start drinking again, just a bad night. He has to get in rehab only for the dui and stupid ass social media. Everybody starts to sound like tmz reporters nowadays.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: tobey on January 12, 2018, 12:57:22 PM
He wasn't going to start drinking again, just a bad night. He has to get in rehab only for the dui and stupid ass social media. Everybody starts to sound like tmz reporters nowadays.

I mean he has been drinking. I'm pretty sure when the skate shops around here premiered his epicly laterd he was drinking then. I know for a fact whenever Jamie Thomas did like an east coast tour with the zero team and went to Bams house that Bam was drinking and this was maybe a little before his epicly laterd aired. Saw it on Dane's instagram story. Sad part was that people seemed to egg him on to drink and I would have thought at least Jamie would tell him its not a good idea.

He's a rockstar. People want to see fuck up Bam. His friends suck 
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Jehoshaphat Augustus on January 12, 2018, 02:43:22 PM
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He wasn't going to start drinking again, just a bad night. He has to get in rehab only for the dui and stupid ass social media. Everybody starts to sound like tmz reporters nowadays.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHWRUKAd0qY
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Buck Russell on January 12, 2018, 03:19:06 PM
If you got a Bam-style problem with alcohol, whatever: you need to remove yourself from that setting. Especially people who know/enable you. If I was him, and survival was really important, I'd do that young Bruce Wayne shit: divorce that enabling wife of his, move to fuckin Cambodia with nothing in my pockets, and get a measly existence at a job that's physically exhausting, skating only at shitty parks, once the weight drops off. It takes 7 years to completely change cell structure, about that time, his son will be ready to be with him, the real him. He could silently come back to PA, scoop up his son, and journey into the sunset, un-celebrated but totally intact and healthy.

LOL this is the most perfect sober nonsense thing i've ever read. i love it. don't ever stop being insane. you psycho narcissists are amazing.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on January 12, 2018, 04:14:42 PM
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He wasn't going to start drinking again, just a bad night. He has to get in rehab only for the dui and stupid ass social media. Everybody starts to sound like tmz reporters nowadays.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHWRUKAd0qY

I was gonna say something about that lol. Having a "bad night" is the oldest excuse in the book.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Manolo on January 12, 2018, 11:42:20 PM
Well maybe he had 5 beers or maybe it was 50 but who really knows. Meanwhile what i'm reading here sounds like fucking tmz reporters.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Jehoshaphat Augustus on January 13, 2018, 04:33:38 AM
Well maybe he had 5 beers or maybe it was 50 but who really knows. Meanwhile what i'm reading here sounds like fucking tmz reporters.
While I also do work within the Three Mile Zone, the OP is a link to a TMZ report, and I'm butthurt.

As a dude who's spent time in rehab, as a dude who believed in Bam more than I should have. My old social circle/I did exactly what i'm talking about. I haven't spoke to friends or family since 2007 and I'm alive and well because of it. Cambodia probably wouldn't be a good move for anyone. I speak from experience when I say life gets boring and mistakes can be made, and once your word is garbage, what good is your presence?

I do wonder how many chances Bam will continue to get, from karma, God(s), da Police, whatever.
But know this: whoever gives him a fifth on Insta is the enemy, for lack of a better word.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: lampshade on January 13, 2018, 05:02:30 AM
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Element sponsoring his rehab?

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bd1klhQFBiV/?hl=en&taken-by=bam__margera

Probably not but it had to be said.
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I was in rehab with a guy who played in a band called...3rd Strike, I think? His label paid for his place in rehab. In fact, the music industry has all kinds of funds and stuff in place for helping out musicians because they're so prone to turning into big messes.

I wonder if there are similar things in place with skate companies, particularly those with money behind them like Element.

Frog Skateboards, too. I could see Frog having a huge drug rehab fund going on.

Yes. In music it's something through the org that runs the Grammys.  I was in rehab with two dudes from different bands who were getting it paid for by this group.  Pretty solid effort.  Both bands had stuff out and played shows, but they weren't U2 or Coldplay or something. 

I doubt many skate brands have the money/are down for their riders enough to do this.  Maybe Element, Crail (not that they seem flush with cash, but they seem down for the team), Baker, some shoe companies...  I could see a lot of companies just dropping someone if their use became too much of a liability. 
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: MexicanSpaniard on January 13, 2018, 08:18:16 AM
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It's sad and I hope BAM can get sober. In his Epicly Later'd they talked about what he was doing to get sober and it didn't yet include AA or professional help. This might be the wake up call to seek that kind of guidance. Best of luck Bam, respect.
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Didn't someone imply that he wasn't doing it the right way.

I hope for Bam he gets the help he needs, and glad he didn't hurt anyone while he was behind the wheel.
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If I remember right that Brandon Novak guy said something about him wanting to be sober for skateboarding and not for himself yet and that that wasn't a sustainable way to do it, or something like that.
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I and some other addicts saw no value in own lives, so we had to do it for other people. I did it for my family, my friend did it for his kid.

From the beginning, any motivation is fine. After a while you start doing it for your self. I remember when my mom and dad would get all suspicious when they heard my voice over the phone. I just had a cold but they thought it was dope. I got kind of upset, but understood where they came from. Still I thought " Hey, I want to be sober, regardless".

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Props to you, your friends, and Novak who have got out of the woods! Bam's EL, NineClub just screamed "honeymoon period" and even though people have been making $$ off recovery stories for a minute, skateboarding's profiteers fucked up over making some money off this.

It reminds me of a lot of people who enter recovery and get to step 4 and they wanna run to everyone immediately and make amends, then a lil time goes by, not even a year later, they're bored and back to using, and then the insanity cycle repeats: those same people have to hear an apology for an apology. 

If you got a Bam-style problem with alcohol, whatever: you need to remove yourself from that setting. Especially people who know/enable you. If I was him, and survival was really important, I'd do that young Bruce Wayne shit: divorce that enabling wife of his, move to fuckin Cambodia with nothing in my pockets, and get a measly existence at a job that's physically exhausting, skating only at shitty parks, once the weight drops off. It takes 7 years to completely change cell structure, about that time, his son will be ready to be with him, the real him. He could silently come back to PA, scoop up his son, and journey into the sunset, un-celebrated but totally intact and healthy.
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One of my favourite slap posts.

this fucking guy using his other account to like his other accounts posts blatantly
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: BacksideWallride on January 13, 2018, 08:27:37 AM
Little off topic, Andy is The Godfather? When Bam (hopefully never) dies from alcohol his kid is going to a dude who's not even allowed to see his own kid?

Never even seen them together in any capacity. Was Andy in any Jackass? I found it weird they're that close. I wouldn't have thought Bam and Andy were such homies.

Agreed the picture is fucking wack.. They feel so good being pictured "taking Bam to rehab"
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: coyote2425 on January 13, 2018, 09:14:28 AM
It still baffles me that anyone actually wants to hang out with Andy Roy.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: SIMPLY on January 13, 2018, 09:14:49 AM
Little off topic, Andy is The Godfather? When Bam (hopefully never) dies from alcohol his kid is going to a dude who's not even allowed to see his own kid?

Never even seen them together in any capacity. Was Andy in any Jackass? I found it weird they're that close. I wouldn't have thought Bam and Andy were such homies.

Agreed the picture is fucking wack.. They feel so good being pictured "taking Bam to rehab"

bam and andy just became friends like last month and moved in with him and his girlfriend in sf, along with his wife and son now.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on January 13, 2018, 09:28:10 AM
  I think it'd be rad if Andy started a company with coat tail money from Bam.  It would flip the script and compete with deluxe.  He may as well make a stab for it cause he's got bills to pay im sure.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: BacksideWallride on January 13, 2018, 09:35:33 AM
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Little off topic, Andy is The Godfather? When Bam (hopefully never) dies from alcohol his kid is going to a dude who's not even allowed to see his own kid?

Never even seen them together in any capacity. Was Andy in any Jackass? I found it weird they're that close. I wouldn't have thought Bam and Andy were such homies.

Agreed the picture is fucking wack.. They feel so good being pictured "taking Bam to rehab"
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bam and andy just became friends like last month and moved in with him and his girlfriend in sf, along with his wife and son now.

Jesus Christ really? He could have had Raab or Dico or some other settled-down old homie he's known forever be the Godfather... C'mon Bam
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Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on January 13, 2018, 09:40:39 AM
Go Andy!
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: SOTY on January 13, 2018, 09:44:58 AM
Imagine SLAP's reaction if MJ got a DUI.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Budo on January 13, 2018, 09:52:47 AM
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Little off topic, Andy is The Godfather? When Bam (hopefully never) dies from alcohol his kid is going to a dude who's not even allowed to see his own kid?

Never even seen them together in any capacity. Was Andy in any Jackass? I found it weird they're that close. I wouldn't have thought Bam and Andy were such homies.

Agreed the picture is fucking wack.. They feel so good being pictured "taking Bam to rehab"
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bam and andy just became friends like last month and moved in with him and his girlfriend in sf, along with his wife and son now.
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Jesus Christ really? He could have had Raab or Dico or some other settled-down old homie he's known forever be the Godfather... C'mon Bam

One of the sadder vibes I got from Bam's Epicly Laterd and Nine Club is that crew growing apart.  I can get it though, and I get Bam not wanting to inject his celebrity status into their lives.  It sucks.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Dr-Feelgood on January 13, 2018, 10:17:42 AM
Explains why he went to rehab, hopefully after this stint he can pull it together, im rooting for him. It was clear after the vice stuff and the nine club stuff he was still drinking even though he was claiming to be sober, hell his instagram posts clearly had him at bars with beers in front of him, he wasnt ready to stop drinking completely, i think thats the hardest part, thinking he can control his drinking when clearly he cant.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on January 13, 2018, 10:41:48 AM
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It's sad and I hope BAM can get sober. In his Epicly Later'd they talked about what he was doing to get sober and it didn't yet include AA or professional help. This might be the wake up call to seek that kind of guidance. Best of luck Bam, respect.
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Didn't someone imply that he wasn't doing it the right way.

I hope for Bam he gets the help he needs, and glad he didn't hurt anyone while he was behind the wheel.
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If I remember right that Brandon Novak guy said something about him wanting to be sober for skateboarding and not for himself yet and that that wasn't a sustainable way to do it, or something like that.
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I and some other addicts saw no value in own lives, so we had to do it for other people. I did it for my family, my friend did it for his kid.

From the beginning, any motivation is fine. After a while you start doing it for your self. I remember when my mom and dad would get all suspicious when they heard my voice over the phone. I just had a cold but they thought it was dope. I got kind of upset, but understood where they came from. Still I thought " Hey, I want to be sober, regardless".

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Props to you, your friends, and Novak who have got out of the woods! Bam's EL, NineClub just screamed "honeymoon period" and even though people have been making $$ off recovery stories for a minute, skateboarding's profiteers fucked up over making some money off this.

It reminds me of a lot of people who enter recovery and get to step 4 and they wanna run to everyone immediately and make amends, then a lil time goes by, not even a year later, they're bored and back to using, and then the insanity cycle repeats: those same people have to hear an apology for an apology. 

If you got a Bam-style problem with alcohol, whatever: you need to remove yourself from that setting. Especially people who know/enable you. If I was him, and survival was really important, I'd do that young Bruce Wayne shit: divorce that enabling wife of his, move to fuckin Cambodia with nothing in my pockets, and get a measly existence at a job that's physically exhausting, skating only at shitty parks, once the weight drops off. It takes 7 years to completely change cell structure, about that time, his son will be ready to be with him, the real him. He could silently come back to PA, scoop up his son, and journey into the sunset, un-celebrated but totally intact and healthy.
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One of my favourite slap posts.
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this fucking guy using his other account to like his other accounts posts blatantly

Haha
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: shark tits on January 13, 2018, 10:44:04 AM
clearly andy is manipulating bam's mind. hopefully rehab straightens bam out before andy has sex w/ bam in an uncomfortable position [like the back of a VW bug].
this is also like an episode of shameless when frank gallagher was rewarded w/ a rich and beautiful dr who was dying and she sugar mama'd him til walking into the ocean.
bam is that beautiful rich dr and andy roy is patriarch of the gallaghers. the gfs are both fiona?
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: shit_for_brains on January 13, 2018, 11:51:46 AM
Little off topic, Andy is The Godfather? When Bam (hopefully never) dies from alcohol his kid is going to a dude who's not even allowed to see his own kid?

Never even seen them together in any capacity. Was Andy in any Jackass? I found it weird they're that close. I wouldn't have thought Bam and Andy were such homies.

Agreed the picture is fucking wack.. They feel so good being pictured "taking Bam to rehab"

All a godparent is is a sponsor of baptism, it has no legal designation whatsoever and nobody would give a baby to Andy Roy.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: SOTY on January 13, 2018, 12:17:49 PM
Nobody would give a baby to Andy Roy.
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Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: AllBranFlakes69 on January 13, 2018, 03:48:30 PM
^^^ Hahahahahah
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: StabMasterArson on January 13, 2018, 04:13:40 PM
  I think it'd be rad if Andy started a company with coat tail money from Bam.  It would flip the script and compete with deluxe.  He may as well make a stab for it cause he's got bills to pay im sure.

Worst idea ever. I can't see Andy competent enough to have a debit card with his name on it, let alone run a business.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on January 13, 2018, 04:26:18 PM
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  I think it'd be rad if Andy started a company with coat tail money from Bam.  It would flip the script and compete with deluxe.  He may as well make a stab for it cause he's got bills to pay im sure.
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Worst idea ever. I can't see Andy competent enough to have a debit card with his name on it, let alone run a business.
  Too bad.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Salty Lame Ass Poosey on January 13, 2018, 04:47:20 PM
I remember when Andy got out of prison last time and he had a Thrasher interview and stted he had a hit list and Lizard King was on it. Did the Andy Roy ever finish the hit?
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: shark tits on January 13, 2018, 04:53:56 PM
I remember when Andy got out of prison last time and he had a Thrasher interview and stted he had a hit list and Lizard King was on it. Did the Andy Roy ever finish the hit?
no, greco was on the list too but alas, andy was singing it not bringing it.
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Post by: Salty Lame Ass Poosey on January 13, 2018, 05:00:22 PM
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I remember when Andy got out of prison last time and he had a Thrasher interview and stted he had a hit list and Lizard King was on it. Did the Andy Roy ever finish the hit?
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no, greco was on the list too but alas, andy was singing it not bringing it.

I think greco would fuck up the Andy Roy. The Andy Roy would be like punching a rotten apple.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Dr-Feelgood on January 13, 2018, 08:02:56 PM
clearly andy is manipulating bam's mind. hopefully rehab straightens bam out before andy has sex w/ bam in an uncomfortable position [like the back of a VW bug].
this is also like an episode of shameless when frank gallagher was rewarded w/ a rich and beautiful dr who was dying and she sugar mama'd him til walking into the ocean.
bam is that beautiful rich dr and andy roy is patriarch of the gallaghers. the gfs are both fiona?
(http://i.imgur.com/HkdwaOg.gif)

Huge points for dropping a shameless episode, love that show.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: mattdookie on January 14, 2018, 03:52:53 AM
The fact that people think AA would help bam. That jesus wanking circle that only 5-8% of people become sober out of ain't effective at all. Shit teaches you that addiction is a disease and that you are an addict and won't ever be able to drink again. Lol.

Addiction is nothing but a result of underlying issues and for bam it seems that it's probably emotional shit weighing on his shoulders and if he's not going to accept and push forward through those things he'll never be able to drink responsibly. I know "addicts" that learned to responsibly use and this was on their own way after that AA bullshit which helps put the whole "i'm an addict and it's a disease" shit in people's heads which makes so many relapse over and over on the thought that "hey i'm sick. i'm an addict. i can't help it. it's a disease/disorder. it's in my genes. it's forever".

Fact is bam is at the stage where he doesn't want to take responsibility or deal with his demons and struggles and professional help and/or AA won't change that. It's all on him. You can give some all the help in the world but until they decide they want to change it's a waste of time. He wants to drink. He'll continue to drink.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: iKobrakai on January 14, 2018, 05:42:21 AM
The fact that people think AA would help bam. That jesus wanking circle that only 5-8% of people become sober out of ain't effective at all. Shit teaches you that addiction is a disease and that you are an addict and won't ever be able to drink again. Lol.

Addiction is nothing but a result of underlying issues and for bam it seems that it's probably emotional shit weighing on his shoulders and if he's not going to accept and push forward through those things he'll never be able to drink responsibly. I know "addicts" that learned to responsibly use and this was on their own way after that AA bullshit which helps put the whole "i'm an addict and it's a disease" shit in people's heads which makes so many relapse over and over on the thought that "hey i'm sick. i'm an addict. i can't help it. it's a disease/disorder. it's in my genes. it's forever".

Fact is bam is at the stage where he doesn't want to take responsibility or deal with his demons and struggles and professional help and/or AA won't change that. It's all on him. You can give some all the help in the world but until they decide they want to change it's a waste of time. He wants to drink. He'll continue to drink.

Are you listening to morons or did you actually read the AA litterature? It's from 1930's, you know? Not all people are brainwashed in AA, although prenty of idiots go there.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: mattdookie on January 14, 2018, 06:28:41 AM
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The fact that people think AA would help bam. That jesus wanking circle that only 5-8% of people become sober out of ain't effective at all. Shit teaches you that addiction is a disease and that you are an addict and won't ever be able to drink again. Lol.

Addiction is nothing but a result of underlying issues and for bam it seems that it's probably emotional shit weighing on his shoulders and if he's not going to accept and push forward through those things he'll never be able to drink responsibly. I know "addicts" that learned to responsibly use and this was on their own way after that AA bullshit which helps put the whole "i'm an addict and it's a disease" shit in people's heads which makes so many relapse over and over on the thought that "hey i'm sick. i'm an addict. i can't help it. it's a disease/disorder. it's in my genes. it's forever".

Fact is bam is at the stage where he doesn't want to take responsibility or deal with his demons and struggles and professional help and/or AA won't change that. It's all on him. You can give some all the help in the world but until they decide they want to change it's a waste of time. He wants to drink. He'll continue to drink.
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Are you listening to morons or did you actually read the AA litterature? It's from 1930's, you know? Not all people are brainwashed in AA, although prenty of idiots go there.

Didn't listen to morons. Ask less broad questions. Regardless AA has been proven repeatedly to be mostly ineffective at helping so called "addicts" lol. The spirituality and disease bullshit automatically makes AA a joke.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: tobey on January 14, 2018, 06:31:40 AM
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The fact that people think AA would help bam. That jesus wanking circle that only 5-8% of people become sober out of ain't effective at all. Shit teaches you that addiction is a disease and that you are an addict and won't ever be able to drink again. Lol.

Addiction is nothing but a result of underlying issues and for bam it seems that it's probably emotional shit weighing on his shoulders and if he's not going to accept and push forward through those things he'll never be able to drink responsibly. I know "addicts" that learned to responsibly use and this was on their own way after that AA bullshit which helps put the whole "i'm an addict and it's a disease" shit in people's heads which makes so many relapse over and over on the thought that "hey i'm sick. i'm an addict. i can't help it. it's a disease/disorder. it's in my genes. it's forever".

Fact is bam is at the stage where he doesn't want to take responsibility or deal with his demons and struggles and professional help and/or AA won't change that. It's all on him. You can give some all the help in the world but until they decide they want to change it's a waste of time. He wants to drink. He'll continue to drink.
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Are you listening to morons or did you actually read the AA litterature? It's from 1930's, you know? Not all people are brainwashed in AA, although prenty of idiots go there.
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Didn't listen to morons. Ask less broad questions. Regardless AA has been proven repeatedly to be mostly ineffective at helping so called "addicts" lol. 

Would love to know your sources or how you came up with all this information
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: mattdookie on January 14, 2018, 06:38:49 AM
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The fact that people think AA would help bam. That jesus wanking circle that only 5-8% of people become sober out of ain't effective at all. Shit teaches you that addiction is a disease and that you are an addict and won't ever be able to drink again. Lol.

Addiction is nothing but a result of underlying issues and for bam it seems that it's probably emotional shit weighing on his shoulders and if he's not going to accept and push forward through those things he'll never be able to drink responsibly. I know "addicts" that learned to responsibly use and this was on their own way after that AA bullshit which helps put the whole "i'm an addict and it's a disease" shit in people's heads which makes so many relapse over and over on the thought that "hey i'm sick. i'm an addict. i can't help it. it's a disease/disorder. it's in my genes. it's forever".

Fact is bam is at the stage where he doesn't want to take responsibility or deal with his demons and struggles and professional help and/or AA won't change that. It's all on him. You can give some all the help in the world but until they decide they want to change it's a waste of time. He wants to drink. He'll continue to drink.
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Are you listening to morons or did you actually read the AA litterature? It's from 1930's, you know? Not all people are brainwashed in AA, although prenty of idiots go there.
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Didn't listen to morons. Ask less broad questions. Regardless AA has been proven repeatedly to be mostly ineffective at helping so called "addicts" lol. 
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Would love to know your sources or how you came up with all this information

Google alcoholics anonymous effectiveness. Various peer review studies have found it to range from 5-15%. Internal studies claim over 30 percent but their studies are severely flawed and have been broken down in the non biased studies. Internal studies pad their statistics and don't accurately verify results to duh keep their funding.

Here's an article https://www.salon.com/2014/03/23/the_pseudo_science_of_alcoholics_anonymous_theres_a_better_way_to_treat_addiction/

And an important statistic as to why they pad their internal studies: "Every year, our state and federal governments spend over $15 billion on substance-abuse treatment for addicts, the vast majority of which are based on 12-step programs."

I was put in Substance Abuse meetings after getting a weed charge at 16 and had to follow the 12 step program there lol. That's what our government pays for some religious founded bullshit where a lot of the money goes to churches and their AA groups. The more ya know!

And I wanna add it's great that it helps some people even if it's a small group. But I believe those people did it on their own. Maybe AA helped direct them down a path but it's still a faulty program and mostly bullshit. No different than the methadone clinics.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: NickDagger on January 14, 2018, 06:55:19 AM
I'm not saying I don't agree with many of the points about AA... but what would be a realistic number for success when dealing with addicts?

It seems like a population that will inevitably not have a good success/recovery rate regardless of treatment method.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: shark tits on January 14, 2018, 06:56:29 AM
yo, not to discount what's working for anyone else but mattdookie is right.
i think the idea that it's a disease is disempowering. you're not powerless over drugs/alcohol, you're continuing to choose it.
i'm uncomfortable in groups and i don't like conformity or patting myself on the back for not doing something bad. like what if it were rapists anonymous? 'i haven't assaulted a woman in 20 days'.
well, good for you but that's not 'good' it's what you're sposedta do.
if AA works for you, run w/ it. i feel like there's a lot more successful people who jsut quit but we're isolated and don't have an agenda to push so our voices are muted.
the only thing i wish i was on AA for is confirmation. otherwise it's just your word and addicts are liars.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: tobey on January 14, 2018, 07:05:03 AM
"Although AA has been criticized by some sources for having a low success rate, the rate isn’t 5 percent like it’s estimated by some to be. Dr. Drew Pinsky figured the success rate is slightly higher, between 8 percent and 12 percent. The American Society of Addiction Medicine (ASAM) states about 10 percent of individuals who join a 12-Step program recover. However, The New York Times suggests Alcoholics Anonymous has a much higher success rating of approximately 75 percent. Alcoholics Anonymous’ Big Book touts about a 50-percent success rate, stating that another 25 percent who relapse come back and only 25 percent don’t remain sober. The organization suggests these individuals don’t use AA effectively."


https://americanaddictioncenters.org/rehab-guide/12-step/whats-the-success-rate-of-aa/

I found that source. Not saying you're wrong or I'm right, just saying AA works with everyone differently

You don't need religion for AA, you just have to admit you aren't the center of the universe

Saying addiction isn't a disease though is the equivalent of saying All lives matter. Especially with you saying you only went there for weed
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: mattdookie on January 14, 2018, 07:10:54 AM
yo, not to discount what's working for anyone else but mattdookie is right.
i think the idea that it's a disease is disempowering. you're not powerless over drugs/alcohol, you're continuing to choose it.
i'm uncomfortable in groups and i don't like conformity or patting myself on the back for not doing something bad. like what if it were rapists anonymous? 'i haven't assaulted a woman in 20 days'.
well, good for you but that's not 'good' it's what you're sposedta do.
if AA works for you, run w/ it. i feel like there's a lot more successful people who jsut quit but we're isolated and don't have an agenda to push so our voices are muted.
the only thing i wish i was on AA for is confirmation. otherwise it's just your word and addicts are liars.

One of my main points^^^ The disease theory is just that a "theory" that only 25% of physicians believe and 80% of AA goons believe.

Also I agree for me personally fuck group shit I've been in a psych unit for a week when I was only 14 and I was forced to be in and speak in group therapy. It fucked me up worse and made me wanted to off myself once I got out.

I'm not saying I don't agree with many of the points about AA... but what would be a realistic number for success when dealing with addicts?

It seems like a population that will inevitably not have a good success/recovery rate regardless of treatment method.

I agree the success rate couldn't be high with any treatment method probably. I think mostly because there is no means or possibility for a fix. I meet so many "addicts" that just have dreams that are unachievable like going to college but they're poor or homeless and people somehow still wonder why they're "addicts". I don't know what the fix is but AA isn't usually.

I kinda think if an "addict" wants to be an "addict" and doesn't have many other options then let em. If they want help they'll seek it but some realize if the step out of that pit it's only one ladder rung higher and the ceiling is above that and that ain't much to work towards.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: mattdookie on January 14, 2018, 07:15:18 AM
"Although AA has been criticized by some sources for having a low success rate, the rate isn’t 5 percent like it’s estimated by some to be. Dr. Drew Pinsky figured the success rate is slightly higher, between 8 percent and 12 percent. The American Society of Addiction Medicine (ASAM) states about 10 percent of individuals who join a 12-Step program recover. However, The New York Times suggests Alcoholics Anonymous has a much higher success rating of approximately 75 percent. Alcoholics Anonymous’ Big Book touts about a 50-percent success rate, stating that another 25 percent who relapse come back and only 25 percent don’t remain sober. The organization suggests these individuals don’t use AA effectively."


https://americanaddictioncenters.org/rehab-guide/12-step/whats-the-success-rate-of-aa/

I found that source. Not saying you're wrong or I'm right, just saying AA works with everyone differently

You don't need religion for AA, you just have to admit you aren't the center of the universe

Saying addiction isn't a disease though is the equivalent of saying All lives matter. Especially with you saying you only went there for weed

I agree that it works for everyone differently. Those success ratings again just prove that AA touts false statistics.

Also the disease theory is nothing but that a "theory".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disease_theory_of_alcoholism

One study found that only 25 percent of physicians believed that alcoholism is a disease. The majority believed alcoholism to be a social or psychological problem instead of a disease.[57]

A survey of physicians at an annual conference of the International Doctors in Alcoholics Anonymous reported that 80 percent believe that alcoholism is merely bad behavior instead of a disease.[58]

Wow go figure that doctors with ties to AA believe in it so much more. Follow the money!

Guessing you believe obesity is a disease too when for some reason it's so much more prevalent in america.

Also me going for weed was a haha at the system but I've abused drugs and learned how to not by choice so your devaluing of the situation is just plain gross. All lives matter is a joke and not comparable by any means but good try to group me in and generalize someone! Makes ya sound like you'd be with that movement!
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: SOTY on January 14, 2018, 07:21:27 AM
I'm sure being in the company of others trying to achieve the same thing can be super helpful to some. However, I completely disagree that drinking and doing drugs is a "disease" and that you'd need to submit to a Higher Power to be cured.

Fuck a cult. Just like making bread, there are millions of ways to get sober.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on January 14, 2018, 07:27:38 AM
    AA is weak af but I also disagree with the 'underlying issues' thing too.  That's just more bs.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: tobey on January 14, 2018, 07:29:21 AM
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"Although AA has been criticized by some sources for having a low success rate, the rate isn’t 5 percent like it’s estimated by some to be. Dr. Drew Pinsky figured the success rate is slightly higher, between 8 percent and 12 percent. The American Society of Addiction Medicine (ASAM) states about 10 percent of individuals who join a 12-Step program recover. However, The New York Times suggests Alcoholics Anonymous has a much higher success rating of approximately 75 percent. Alcoholics Anonymous’ Big Book touts about a 50-percent success rate, stating that another 25 percent who relapse come back and only 25 percent don’t remain sober. The organization suggests these individuals don’t use AA effectively."


https://americanaddictioncenters.org/rehab-guide/12-step/whats-the-success-rate-of-aa/

I found that source. Not saying you're wrong or I'm right, just saying AA works with everyone differently

You don't need religion for AA, you just have to admit you aren't the center of the universe

Saying addiction isn't a disease though is the equivalent of saying All lives matter. Especially with you saying you only went there for weed
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I agree that it works for everyone differently. Those success ratings again just prove that AA touts false statistics.

Also the disease theory is nothing but that a "theory".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disease_theory_of_alcoholism

One study found that only 25 percent of physicians believed that alcoholism is a disease. The majority believed alcoholism to be a social or psychological problem instead of a disease.[57]

A survey of physicians at an annual conference of the International Doctors in Alcoholics Anonymous reported that 80 percent believe that alcoholism is merely bad behavior instead of a disease.[58]

Wow go figure that doctors with ties to AA believe in it so much more. Follow the money!

Guessing you believe obesity is a disease too when for some reason it's so much more prevalent in america.

Also me going for weed was a haha at the system but I've abused drugs and learned how to not by choice so your devaluing of the situation is just plain gross. All lives matter is a joke and not comparable by any means but good try to group me in and generalize someone! Makes ya sound like you'd be with that movement!

You quoted wiki so thats not a reliable source. Also it sounds just as stupid
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: tobey on January 14, 2018, 07:32:11 AM
a disorder of structure or function in a human, animal, or plant, especially one that produces specific signs or symptoms or that affects a specific location and is not simply a direct result of physical injury.

Thats the definition of disease. Disease isn't just a cut and try thing
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: iKobrakai on January 14, 2018, 07:44:33 AM
Look, it does not matter.

The definition of "illness/disorder" is not relevant. Neither of us is a medical doctor och researcher. What the fuck do we know about delicate matters of DSM-V?

The AA was always meant to be a self help organization. They tried with rehabs and failed, hence they never do that again.

Read the litterature, it clearly states that the biggest problem is the behaviour and thought process of the addict. Once you change that with the help of a structured program and higher power to some extent, you'll be fine. Tons of people are ateists in AA and do not think of alcoholism as a disease. They even have half the books with many personal stories of people who don't believe in any God. Sounds close to CBT to me.

My only problem is when the state forces people to go to a self help organization, it defines the purpose. That is only because AA is free, of course and Americans hate to pay taxes to finance proper treatment.

Also, people always frown upon "once an addict, always an addict" yet seldom have any examples of people who were fiends and then all of a sudden can control their intake. Look around the bad parts of your own and see for yourself the opposite.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: shark tits on January 14, 2018, 07:46:11 AM
i just think you don't get sick and tired of cancer or diabetes. drinking is a bad habit that some poeple quit and some are lifers. so basically it's skating. i guess the question now, is drinking a sport or an art?
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: iKobrakai on January 14, 2018, 07:47:16 AM
    AA is weak af but I also disagree with the 'underlying issues' thing too.  That's just more bs.

So, what do you agree with?
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: mattdookie on January 14, 2018, 07:48:39 AM
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"Although AA has been criticized by some sources for having a low success rate, the rate isn’t 5 percent like it’s estimated by some to be. Dr. Drew Pinsky figured the success rate is slightly higher, between 8 percent and 12 percent. The American Society of Addiction Medicine (ASAM) states about 10 percent of individuals who join a 12-Step program recover. However, The New York Times suggests Alcoholics Anonymous has a much higher success rating of approximately 75 percent. Alcoholics Anonymous’ Big Book touts about a 50-percent success rate, stating that another 25 percent who relapse come back and only 25 percent don’t remain sober. The organization suggests these individuals don’t use AA effectively."


https://americanaddictioncenters.org/rehab-guide/12-step/whats-the-success-rate-of-aa/

I found that source. Not saying you're wrong or I'm right, just saying AA works with everyone differently

You don't need religion for AA, you just have to admit you aren't the center of the universe

Saying addiction isn't a disease though is the equivalent of saying All lives matter. Especially with you saying you only went there for weed
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I agree that it works for everyone differently. Those success ratings again just prove that AA touts false statistics.

Also the disease theory is nothing but that a "theory".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disease_theory_of_alcoholism

One study found that only 25 percent of physicians believed that alcoholism is a disease. The majority believed alcoholism to be a social or psychological problem instead of a disease.[57]

A survey of physicians at an annual conference of the International Doctors in Alcoholics Anonymous reported that 80 percent believe that alcoholism is merely bad behavior instead of a disease.[58]

Wow go figure that doctors with ties to AA believe in it so much more. Follow the money!

Guessing you believe obesity is a disease too when for some reason it's so much more prevalent in america.

Also me going for weed was a haha at the system but I've abused drugs and learned how to not by choice so your devaluing of the situation is just plain gross. All lives matter is a joke and not comparable by any means but good try to group me in and generalize someone! Makes ya sound like you'd be with that movement!
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You quoted wiki so thats not a reliable source. Also it sounds just as stupid

What we got here is a teacher from the 1990s guys. Wiki references sources and a simple google search can guide you to them as well.

a disorder of structure or function in a human, animal, or plant, especially one that produces specific signs or symptoms or that affects a specific location and is not simply a direct result of physical injury.

Thats the definition of disease. Disease isn't just a cut and try thing

That's a broad definition and like many things is debatable. Go argue with the 75% of physicians that would disagree with you. It's a theory not fact. Should I define theory since you pulled out the dictionary lol.

A theory is a contemplative and rational type of abstract or generalizing thinking, or the results of such thinking.

There ya go.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: tobey on January 14, 2018, 07:52:01 AM
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"Although AA has been criticized by some sources for having a low success rate, the rate isn’t 5 percent like it’s estimated by some to be. Dr. Drew Pinsky figured the success rate is slightly higher, between 8 percent and 12 percent. The American Society of Addiction Medicine (ASAM) states about 10 percent of individuals who join a 12-Step program recover. However, The New York Times suggests Alcoholics Anonymous has a much higher success rating of approximately 75 percent. Alcoholics Anonymous’ Big Book touts about a 50-percent success rate, stating that another 25 percent who relapse come back and only 25 percent don’t remain sober. The organization suggests these individuals don’t use AA effectively."


https://americanaddictioncenters.org/rehab-guide/12-step/whats-the-success-rate-of-aa/

I found that source. Not saying you're wrong or I'm right, just saying AA works with everyone differently

You don't need religion for AA, you just have to admit you aren't the center of the universe

Saying addiction isn't a disease though is the equivalent of saying All lives matter. Especially with you saying you only went there for weed
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I agree that it works for everyone differently. Those success ratings again just prove that AA touts false statistics.

Also the disease theory is nothing but that a "theory".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disease_theory_of_alcoholism

One study found that only 25 percent of physicians believed that alcoholism is a disease. The majority believed alcoholism to be a social or psychological problem instead of a disease.[57]

A survey of physicians at an annual conference of the International Doctors in Alcoholics Anonymous reported that 80 percent believe that alcoholism is merely bad behavior instead of a disease.[58]

Wow go figure that doctors with ties to AA believe in it so much more. Follow the money!

Guessing you believe obesity is a disease too when for some reason it's so much more prevalent in america.

Also me going for weed was a haha at the system but I've abused drugs and learned how to not by choice so your devaluing of the situation is just plain gross. All lives matter is a joke and not comparable by any means but good try to group me in and generalize someone! Makes ya sound like you'd be with that movement!
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You quoted wiki so thats not a reliable source. Also it sounds just as stupid
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What we got here is a teacher from the 1990s guys. Wiki references sources and a simple google search can guide you to them as well.

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a disorder of structure or function in a human, animal, or plant, especially one that produces specific signs or symptoms or that affects a specific location and is not simply a direct result of physical injury.

Thats the definition of disease. Disease isn't just a cut and try thing
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That's a broad definition and like many things is debatable. Go argue with the 75% of physicians that would disagree with you. It's a theory not fact. Should I define theory since you pulled out the dictionary lol.

A theory is a contemplative and rational type of abstract or generalizing thinking, or the results of such thinking.

There ya go.

I said was that it wasn't so cut and dry. Don't know why you would define theory
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: mattdookie on January 14, 2018, 07:55:06 AM
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"Although AA has been criticized by some sources for having a low success rate, the rate isn’t 5 percent like it’s estimated by some to be. Dr. Drew Pinsky figured the success rate is slightly higher, between 8 percent and 12 percent. The American Society of Addiction Medicine (ASAM) states about 10 percent of individuals who join a 12-Step program recover. However, The New York Times suggests Alcoholics Anonymous has a much higher success rating of approximately 75 percent. Alcoholics Anonymous’ Big Book touts about a 50-percent success rate, stating that another 25 percent who relapse come back and only 25 percent don’t remain sober. The organization suggests these individuals don’t use AA effectively."


https://americanaddictioncenters.org/rehab-guide/12-step/whats-the-success-rate-of-aa/

I found that source. Not saying you're wrong or I'm right, just saying AA works with everyone differently

You don't need religion for AA, you just have to admit you aren't the center of the universe

Saying addiction isn't a disease though is the equivalent of saying All lives matter. Especially with you saying you only went there for weed
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I agree that it works for everyone differently. Those success ratings again just prove that AA touts false statistics.

Also the disease theory is nothing but that a "theory".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disease_theory_of_alcoholism

One study found that only 25 percent of physicians believed that alcoholism is a disease. The majority believed alcoholism to be a social or psychological problem instead of a disease.[57]

A survey of physicians at an annual conference of the International Doctors in Alcoholics Anonymous reported that 80 percent believe that alcoholism is merely bad behavior instead of a disease.[58]

Wow go figure that doctors with ties to AA believe in it so much more. Follow the money!

Guessing you believe obesity is a disease too when for some reason it's so much more prevalent in america.

Also me going for weed was a haha at the system but I've abused drugs and learned how to not by choice so your devaluing of the situation is just plain gross. All lives matter is a joke and not comparable by any means but good try to group me in and generalize someone! Makes ya sound like you'd be with that movement!
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You quoted wiki so thats not a reliable source. Also it sounds just as stupid
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What we got here is a teacher from the 1990s guys. Wiki references sources and a simple google search can guide you to them as well.

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a disorder of structure or function in a human, animal, or plant, especially one that produces specific signs or symptoms or that affects a specific location and is not simply a direct result of physical injury.

Thats the definition of disease. Disease isn't just a cut and try thing
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That's a broad definition and like many things is debatable. Go argue with the 75% of physicians that would disagree with you. It's a theory not fact. Should I define theory since you pulled out the dictionary lol.

A theory is a contemplative and rational type of abstract or generalizing thinking, or the results of such thinking.

There ya go.
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I said was that it wasn't so cut and dry. Don't know why you would define theory

Maybe because you said "Saying addiction isn't a disease though is the equivalent of saying All lives matter." lol. Even though the theory isn't backed by most physicians you want to act like thinking otherwise is equivalent of that ignorance.

Here's some more great info for ya tho:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disease_model_of_addiction

"Alcoholics Anonymous contributed to the growth in popularity of the disease model of addiction through their publication of The Big Book (Alcoholics Anonymous) and press campaigns.[5]"

Who'da thunk AA woulda done did that!

"Critics of the disease model, particularly those who subscribe to the life-process model of addiction argue that labeling people as addicts keeps them from developing self-control and stigmatizes them."

Hmm no way. I might have to reference other countries info like Portugal who legalized drug use and has such a low addiction rate in comparison to america it makes the theory seem even more laughable.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: tobey on January 14, 2018, 08:06:02 AM
If you are trying to have an argument using facts why would you use wiki?
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: mattdookie on January 14, 2018, 08:09:44 AM
If you are trying to have an argument using facts why would you use wiki?
Hahahaha jeeze here ya go dude I know you're lazy and don't realize the reliability of wiki has improved drastically from the 90s but here's the references for ya.

http://www.journalofsubstanceabusetreatment.com/article/S0740-5472(10)00200-X/fulltext

https://web.archive.org/web/20110927122219/http://www.harmreduction.org/downloads/Harm%20Reduction%20Psychotherapy%3A%20Extending%20the%20Reach%20of%20Traditional%20Substance%20Use%20Treatment.pdf

http://www.journalofsubstanceabusetreatment.com/article/S0740-5472(03)00085-0/fulltext

Lol. Good debate. Coming from the dude who took a definition that's on wikipedia.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: tobey on January 14, 2018, 08:12:20 AM
I really don't know what you are trying to prove at this point. Who in AA hurt you?
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: mattdookie on January 14, 2018, 08:14:06 AM
I really don't know what you are trying to prove at this point. Who in AA hurt you?
No one just trying to have an open debate you couldn't have one and tried to say that I was ignorant for believing something most physicians believe and that is equivalent of being an All Lives Matter goon. So who hurt you that it caused you to be so closed minded and generalize others based off their opinions??? Exactly boi!
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: iKobrakai on January 14, 2018, 08:17:38 AM
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I really don't know what you are trying to prove at this point. Who in AA hurt you?
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No one just trying to have an open debate you couldn't have one and tried to say that I was ignorant for believing something most physicians believe and that is equivalent of being an All Lives Matter goon. So who hurt you that it caused you to be so closed minded and generalize others based off their opinions??? Exactly boi!

""Critics of the disease model, particularly those who subscribe to the life-process model of addiction argue that labeling people as addicts keeps them from developing self-control and stigmatizes them."

I don't understand why calling things/people for what they are is so out of date now.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: mattdookie on January 14, 2018, 08:20:36 AM
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I really don't know what you are trying to prove at this point. Who in AA hurt you?
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No one just trying to have an open debate you couldn't have one and tried to say that I was ignorant for believing something most physicians believe and that is equivalent of being an All Lives Matter goon. So who hurt you that it caused you to be so closed minded and generalize others based off their opinions??? Exactly boi!
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""Critics of the disease model, particularly those who subscribe to the life-process model of addiction argue that labeling people as addicts keeps them from developing self-control and stigmatizes them."

I don't understand why calling things/people for what they are is so out of date now.
I think it stops certain people from feeling like they can change just depending on who they are. It's like people that get called fat everyday end up just accepting that they're overweight and figure they can't do anything about it and it's just who they are. This is all dependent on the person of course.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: tobey on January 14, 2018, 08:21:23 AM
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I really don't know what you are trying to prove at this point. Who in AA hurt you?
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No one just trying to have an open debate you couldn't have one and tried to say that I was ignorant for believing something most physicians believe and that is equivalent of being an All Lives Matter goon. So who hurt you that it caused you to be so closed minded and generalize others based off their opinions??? Exactly boi!

I said you were ignorant because how people are all lives matter never had any racial biases towards them but they seem to know so much about the topic. You seem pretty set in stone that addiction isn't a disease who exactly are you? You a doctor? You train in this type of field at all?

Me, do i personally believe that addiction is a disease? No or maybe yes. All i said it wasn't so simple.

All I know is that I can't drink like a normal person. Does that mean I have a disease? Again I don't know but I'm not a fucking loser who would tell other people who are trying to recover saying "just man up, you can control it".
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: perverted super otaku! on January 14, 2018, 08:23:19 AM
i wouldn't get upset about it, it's kind of like religion where it presents you with a simplified interpretation of reality that can make living certain ways easier, some use it as a tool and obviously like religion as well some people will take it on and to all sorts of levels
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: iKobrakai on January 14, 2018, 08:26:18 AM
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I really don't know what you are trying to prove at this point. Who in AA hurt you?
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No one just trying to have an open debate you couldn't have one and tried to say that I was ignorant for believing something most physicians believe and that is equivalent of being an All Lives Matter goon. So who hurt you that it caused you to be so closed minded and generalize others based off their opinions??? Exactly boi!
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""Critics of the disease model, particularly those who subscribe to the life-process model of addiction argue that labeling people as addicts keeps them from developing self-control and stigmatizes them."

I don't understand why calling things/people for what they are is so out of date now.
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I think it stops certain people from feeling like they can change just depending on who they are. It's like people that get called fat everyday end up just accepting that they're overweight and figure they can't do anything about it and it's just who they are. This is all dependent on the person of course.

Sounds like some SJW shit. And you say AA is garbage.... Not sayin AA works amazing, but for a free self help group, and nothing else, the fuck do you expect?
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: mattdookie on January 14, 2018, 08:38:00 AM
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I really don't know what you are trying to prove at this point. Who in AA hurt you?
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No one just trying to have an open debate you couldn't have one and tried to say that I was ignorant for believing something most physicians believe and that is equivalent of being an All Lives Matter goon. So who hurt you that it caused you to be so closed minded and generalize others based off their opinions??? Exactly boi!
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I said you were ignorant because how people are all lives matter never had any racial biases towards them but they seem to know so much about the topic. You seem pretty set in stone that addiction isn't a disease who exactly who are you? You a doctor? You train in this type of field at all?

Me, do i personally believe that addiction is a disease? No or maybe yes. All i said it wasn't so simple.

All I know is that I can't drink like a normal person. Does that mean I have a disease? Again I don't know but I'm not a fucking loser who would tell other people who are trying to recover saying "just man up, you can control it".

Fact is I never said that and even said if AA works for you great! Hahahahah! Me saying AA has statistically been proven to be ineffective doesn't mean I don't believe there are other things that should be tried and everyone should just "man up". You can easily read my past posts on this topic and see that.

Not a doctor but I'm majoring in sociology. And again I've abused substances mostly stims but figured out my own way to handle it which was just research and learning harm reduction techniques something other countries are more for compared to america. Either way you generalized and started the harshness not me. So who hurt you?


Sounds like some SJW shit. And you say AA is garbage.... Not sayin AA works amazing, but for a free self help group, and nothing else, the fuck do you expect?
It's just something that's person to person so it makes sense. It is garbage in relation to it's effectiveness but if it works for few it's still helpful marginally. Also it's only free because it's funded by different sources like my county throws money at every church that has a group. I expect america to try different things but they probably won't because it's founded upon christianity like most things in america. Should there not be other free options? I compared it earlier to the methadone clinics which also statistically fail while in other countries that provide different rehabilitation techniques have outrageously low overdose rates in comparison to america and these are in countries where you can use heroin legally.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Roisto on January 14, 2018, 08:41:09 AM
I think what mattdookie is trying to say is that alcoholism isn't the disease but more of a symptom of some deeper mental issue. It's kinda like saying that someone who has untreated diabetes has an urination disease. While excessive urination is a symptom of untreated diabetes, it is not the disease.

I personally don't like lumping mental issues with other diseases. It doesn't mean that they can't be as crippling or hard to deal with. Most times they're actually much harder to deal with. I personally excel at procrastination and avoiding things. I don't think it's a disease though. They are just symptoms of deeper mental issues I have. Stuff that I can work on. Not stuff that should be treated. Personally I like to get to the root of things and try to solve the situation there, but other methods can be just as effective, even if they're not the solution for the exact issue.

Believing in Jesus might help some people get sober. Does that mean that believing in Jesus is a cure for a disease called alcoholism? No, I don't think so.

I haven't looked very deeply into AA, but how have they come up with their program? Is it based on science or is it just some stuff someone came up with that at least seems to work better than nothing?
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: tobey on January 14, 2018, 08:42:58 AM
I think what mattdookie is trying to say is that alcoholism isn't the disease but more of a symptom of some deeper mental issue. It's kinda like saying that someone who has untreated diabetes has an urination disease. While excessive urination is a symptom of untreated diabetes, it is not the disease.

I personally don't like lumping mental issues with other diseases. It doesn't mean that they can't be as crippling or hard to deal with. Most times they're actually much harder to deal with. I personally excel at procrastination and avoiding things. I don't think it's a disease though. They are just symptoms of deeper mental issues I have. Stuff that I can work on. Not stuff that should be treated. Personally I like to get to the root of things and try to solve the situation there, but other methods can be just as effective, even if they're not the solution for the exact issue.

Believing in Jesus might help some people get sober. Does that mean that believing in Jesus is a cure for a disease called alcoholism? No, I don't think so.

I haven't looked very deeply into AA, but how have they come up with their program? Is it based on science or is it just some stuff someone came up with that at least seems to work better than nothing?

Two doctors started the program in the early 1900s
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: mattdookie on January 14, 2018, 08:50:42 AM
I think what mattdookie is trying to say is that alcoholism isn't the disease but more of a symptom of some deeper mental issue. It's kinda like saying that someone who has untreated diabetes has an urination disease. While excessive urination is a symptom of untreated diabetes, it is not the disease.

I personally don't like lumping mental issues with other diseases. It doesn't mean that they can't be as crippling or hard to deal with. Most times they're actually much harder to deal with. I personally excel at procrastination and avoiding things. I don't think it's a disease though. They are just symptoms of deeper mental issues I have. Stuff that I can work on. Not stuff that should be treated. Personally I like to get to the root of things and try to solve the situation there, but other methods can be just as effective, even if they're not the solution for the exact issue.

Believing in Jesus might help some people get sober. Does that mean that believing in Jesus is a cure for a disease called alcoholism? No, I don't think so.

I haven't looked very deeply into AA, but how have they come up with their program? Is it based on science or is it just some stuff someone came up with that at least seems to work better than nothing?
Pretty much my view on things. A lot of "addicts" have mental illnesses and their drugs use is just a result of those illnesses. Some people cut themselves because of mental illnesses but no one is saying self harm is a disease.

AA was criticized even in the 50's for lack of scientific evidence. It was never based off of science. It started from Bill Wilson literally saying he saw a bright light and found religion and god under the care of a doctor.


Two doctors started the program in the early 1900s
Did you get this info from wikipedia in the 90s because it's wrong.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: iKobrakai on January 14, 2018, 08:54:50 AM
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I really don't know what you are trying to prove at this point. Who in AA hurt you?
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No one just trying to have an open debate you couldn't have one and tried to say that I was ignorant for believing something most physicians believe and that is equivalent of being an All Lives Matter goon. So who hurt you that it caused you to be so closed minded and generalize others based off their opinions??? Exactly boi!
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I said you were ignorant because how people are all lives matter never had any racial biases towards them but they seem to know so much about the topic. You seem pretty set in stone that addiction isn't a disease who exactly who are you? You a doctor? You train in this type of field at all?

Me, do i personally believe that addiction is a disease? No or maybe yes. All i said it wasn't so simple.

All I know is that I can't drink like a normal person. Does that mean I have a disease? Again I don't know but I'm not a fucking loser who would tell other people who are trying to recover saying "just man up, you can control it".
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Fact is I never said that and even said if AA works for you great! Hahahahah! Me saying AA has statistically been proven to be ineffective doesn't mean I don't believe there are other things that should be tried and everyone should just "man up". You can easily read my past posts on this topic and see that.

Not a doctor but I'm majoring in sociology. And again I've abused substances mostly stims but figured out my own way to handle it which was just research and learning harm reduction techniques something other countries are more for compared to america. Either way you generalized and started the harshness not me. So who hurt you?

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Sounds like some SJW shit. And you say AA is garbage.... Not sayin AA works amazing, but for a free self help group, and nothing else, the fuck do you expect?
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It's just something that's person to person so it makes sense. It is garbage in relation to it's effectiveness but if it works for few it's still helpful marginally. Also it's only free because it's funded by different sources like my county throws money at every church that has a group. I expect america to try different things but they probably won't because it's founded upon christianity like most things in america. Should there not be other free options? I compared it earlier to the methadone clinics which also statistically fail while in other countries that provide different rehabilitation techniques have outrageously low overdose rates in comparison to america and these are in countries where you can use heroin legally.

Fuck your so called controlled use and fuck your methadone threatment analogy. We are talking about people who want to get fucking clean. Yes, AA blows and does not have the best results but again, the fuck do expect from a circle of broked down addict who are trying to get clean? There is no conspiracy.

You are trying to hard to sound so smart but cannot understand simple logic. The more I read your replies, the more I see that you don't know shit. Kind of like Penn and Tellers AA in Bullshit episode. All three of you are missing the point and fighting a war that does not exist.

Good luck bringing down white privilege together with your enlightnend friends in sociology major.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: mattdookie on January 14, 2018, 08:59:16 AM
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I really don't know what you are trying to prove at this point. Who in AA hurt you?
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No one just trying to have an open debate you couldn't have one and tried to say that I was ignorant for believing something most physicians believe and that is equivalent of being an All Lives Matter goon. So who hurt you that it caused you to be so closed minded and generalize others based off their opinions??? Exactly boi!
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I said you were ignorant because how people are all lives matter never had any racial biases towards them but they seem to know so much about the topic. You seem pretty set in stone that addiction isn't a disease who exactly who are you? You a doctor? You train in this type of field at all?

Me, do i personally believe that addiction is a disease? No or maybe yes. All i said it wasn't so simple.

All I know is that I can't drink like a normal person. Does that mean I have a disease? Again I don't know but I'm not a fucking loser who would tell other people who are trying to recover saying "just man up, you can control it".
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Fact is I never said that and even said if AA works for you great! Hahahahah! Me saying AA has statistically been proven to be ineffective doesn't mean I don't believe there are other things that should be tried and everyone should just "man up". You can easily read my past posts on this topic and see that.

Not a doctor but I'm majoring in sociology. And again I've abused substances mostly stims but figured out my own way to handle it which was just research and learning harm reduction techniques something other countries are more for compared to america. Either way you generalized and started the harshness not me. So who hurt you?

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Sounds like some SJW shit. And you say AA is garbage.... Not sayin AA works amazing, but for a free self help group, and nothing else, the fuck do you expect?
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It's just something that's person to person so it makes sense. It is garbage in relation to it's effectiveness but if it works for few it's still helpful marginally. Also it's only free because it's funded by different sources like my county throws money at every church that has a group. I expect america to try different things but they probably won't because it's founded upon christianity like most things in america. Should there not be other free options? I compared it earlier to the methadone clinics which also statistically fail while in other countries that provide different rehabilitation techniques have outrageously low overdose rates in comparison to america and these are in countries where you can use heroin legally.
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Fuck your so called controlled use and fuck your methadone threatment analogy. We are talking about people who want to get fucking clean. Yes, AA blows and does not have the best results but again, the fuck do expect from a circle of broked down addict who are trying to get clean? There is no conspiracy.

You are trying to hard to sound so smart but cannot understand simple logic. The more I read your replies, the more I see that you don't know shit. Kind of like Penn and Tellers AA in Bullshit episode. All three of you are missing the point and fighting a war that does not exist.

Good luck bringing down white privilege together with your enlightnend friends in sociology major.
Hahaha I'm white dude. I don't believe the white privilege theory I think each race has different advantages and disadvantages some more than others but it's dependent on your locality. Generalizers. Jeeze. Stop getting so bent out of shape over opinions lol.

I'm not saying there is a conspiracy I'm saying I wish america would provide access to other options. Is that bad? Controlled use is possible to achieve for some people others not and others it's just substance dependent.

What logic are you talking about? You keep asking what do I expect and it's just more available methods lol.

Also I'm in sociology to help people something that you're talking about AA doing that is so good... Wild bro.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Bread Harrity on January 14, 2018, 09:05:27 AM
i just think you don't get sick and tired of cancer or diabetes. drinking is a bad habit that some poeple quit and some are lifers. so basically it's skating. i guess the question now, is drinking a sport or an art?
yeah nyjah can pound a 20 rack, but I'd rather watch Gino sip...
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: iKobrakai on January 14, 2018, 09:20:58 AM
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Hahaha I'm white dude. I don't believe the white privilege theory I think each race has different advantages and disadvantages some more than others but it's dependent on your locality. Generalizers. Jeeze. Stop getting so bent out of shape over opinions lol.

I'm not saying there is a conspiracy I'm saying I wish america would provide access to other options. Is that bad? Controlled use is possible to achieve for some people others not and others it's just substance dependent.

What logic are you talking about? You keep asking what do I expect and it's just more available methods lol.

Also I'm in sociology to help people something that you're talking about AA doing that is so good... Wild bro.

Not a theory. 

You jump in here with all that massive "knowledge" only to say that you never stated anything. Things are usually said within a context and your arrogance could be seen from your first post.

I seldom kook people, be one of my rare casualities, gender study major boy.

PS. Thank your for helping all of us.
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Post by: mattdookie on January 14, 2018, 09:29:19 AM
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Hahaha I'm white dude. I don't believe the white privilege theory I think each race has different advantages and disadvantages some more than others but it's dependent on your locality. Generalizers. Jeeze. Stop getting so bent out of shape over opinions lol.

I'm not saying there is a conspiracy I'm saying I wish america would provide access to other options. Is that bad? Controlled use is possible to achieve for some people others not and others it's just substance dependent.

What logic are you talking about? You keep asking what do I expect and it's just more available methods lol.

Also I'm in sociology to help people something that you're talking about AA doing that is so good... Wild bro.
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Not a theory. 

You jump in here with all that massive "knowledge" only to say that you never stated anything. Things are usually said within a context and your arrogance could be seen from your first post.

I seldom kook people, be one of my rare casualities, gender study major boy.

PS. Thank your for helping all of us.

It's a concept under different theories it's more part of different theories than it's own.

You're just reading things your own way. Tip toeing over everything I said repeatedly doesn't make your statements look like much.

Lol. Get me bro I'm ready for it go on and be such a bad meanie to me I'm afwaid.

Sociology is so bad. Choosing a career path in hopes to help juvenile deliquents gawd dayum. Fuck em!
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: KingKook on January 14, 2018, 09:31:01 AM
I'm sure being in the company of others trying to achieve the same thing can be super helpful to some. However, I completely disagree that drinking and doing drugs is a "disease" and that you'd need to submit to a Higher Power to be cured.

Fuck a cult. Just like making bread, there are millions of ways to get sober.
Totally agree.
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Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: iKobrakai on January 14, 2018, 09:40:41 AM
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Hahaha I'm white dude. I don't believe the white privilege theory I think each race has different advantages and disadvantages some more than others but it's dependent on your locality. Generalizers. Jeeze. Stop getting so bent out of shape over opinions lol.

I'm not saying there is a conspiracy I'm saying I wish america would provide access to other options. Is that bad? Controlled use is possible to achieve for some people others not and others it's just substance dependent.

What logic are you talking about? You keep asking what do I expect and it's just more available methods lol.

Also I'm in sociology to help people something that you're talking about AA doing that is so good... Wild bro.
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Not a theory. 

You jump in here with all that massive "knowledge" only to say that you never stated anything. Things are usually said within a context and your arrogance could be seen from your first post.

I seldom kook people, be one of my rare casualities, gender study major boy.

PS. Thank your for helping all of us.
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It's a concept under different theories it's more part of different theories than it's own.

You're just reading things your own way. Tip toeing over everything I said repeatedly doesn't make your statements look like much.

Lol. Get me bro I'm ready for it go on and be such a bad meanie to me I'm afwaid.

Sociology is so bad. Choosing a career path in hopes to help juvenile deliquents gawd dayum. Fuck em!

You mean shit you googled? Nice set of skills, bro.
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Post by: mattdookie on January 14, 2018, 09:43:11 AM
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Hahaha I'm white dude. I don't believe the white privilege theory I think each race has different advantages and disadvantages some more than others but it's dependent on your locality. Generalizers. Jeeze. Stop getting so bent out of shape over opinions lol.

I'm not saying there is a conspiracy I'm saying I wish america would provide access to other options. Is that bad? Controlled use is possible to achieve for some people others not and others it's just substance dependent.

What logic are you talking about? You keep asking what do I expect and it's just more available methods lol.

Also I'm in sociology to help people something that you're talking about AA doing that is so good... Wild bro.
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Not a theory. 

You jump in here with all that massive "knowledge" only to say that you never stated anything. Things are usually said within a context and your arrogance could be seen from your first post.

I seldom kook people, be one of my rare casualities, gender study major boy.

PS. Thank your for helping all of us.
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It's a concept under different theories it's more part of different theories than it's own.

You're just reading things your own way. Tip toeing over everything I said repeatedly doesn't make your statements look like much.

Lol. Get me bro I'm ready for it go on and be such a bad meanie to me I'm afwaid.

Sociology is so bad. Choosing a career path in hopes to help juvenile deliquents gawd dayum. Fuck em!
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You mean shit you googled? Nice set of skills, bro.

Yeah I don't know everything. College helps me learn some shit but when I talk about a subject I like to look into it.  Like my 1st grade teacher said bro knowledge is power tehe. Also none of that disregards your tip toes boi.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: fulltechnicalskizzy on January 14, 2018, 09:46:24 AM
I thought everyone loved AA on here :-\
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: KingKook on January 14, 2018, 09:48:17 AM
I thought everyone loved AA on here :-\
Poke your head into an AA meeting sometime.
If you see a room full of successful people who can support you and help you through your hard times with experience and understanding maybe it's for you.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: SOTY on January 14, 2018, 10:13:20 AM
LSD 'helps alcoholics to give up drinking'
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-17297714
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2XVayp3Iqc&t=318s

Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: bawtawd5 on January 14, 2018, 11:46:37 AM
Snort kratom help addiction with trans porn . Neural pathway brain elastics and shaman in Peru . Joe Rogan know.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: KingKook on January 14, 2018, 11:51:55 AM
Snort kratom help addiction with trans porn . Neural pathway brain elastics and shaman in Peru . Joe Rogan know.
A good psychedelic trip can do wonders. I've never tried Ayahuasca, but have had plenty of eye opening trips on mushrooms and lsd.  This is supposed to be pretty life changing shit.

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/pgkd8m/ayahuasca-a-possible-cure-for-alcoholism-and-depression
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: bawtawd5 on January 14, 2018, 12:11:04 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOX6585TiAQ
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Grind King Rims on January 14, 2018, 02:25:13 PM
I thought everyone loved AA on here :-\

Especially after Hockey III right? I see you skizzy.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on January 14, 2018, 02:36:10 PM
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    AA is weak af but I also disagree with the 'underlying issues' thing too.  That's just more bs.
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So, what do you agree with?
   What are my options?  I find that life is complicated and subtle.  Unfortunately for people who want to sell shit and make money or get notoriety  'complicated and subtle' won't hold the consumer's attention.  That's why the bullshit movements get all the traction.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: heliocentric bananas on January 14, 2018, 03:06:55 PM
Every time i see AA my brain defaults to Andrew Allen and I was stoked that people were discussing him in such depth. Talk about a let down once I remembered we were talking bout booze
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Buck Russell on January 15, 2018, 01:36:54 AM
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I think what mattdookie is trying to say is that alcoholism isn't the disease but more of a symptom of some deeper mental issue. It's kinda like saying that someone who has untreated diabetes has an urination disease. While excessive urination is a symptom of untreated diabetes, it is not the disease.

I personally don't like lumping mental issues with other diseases. It doesn't mean that they can't be as crippling or hard to deal with. Most times they're actually much harder to deal with. I personally excel at procrastination and avoiding things. I don't think it's a disease though. They are just symptoms of deeper mental issues I have. Stuff that I can work on. Not stuff that should be treated. Personally I like to get to the root of things and try to solve the situation there, but other methods can be just as effective, even if they're not the solution for the exact issue.

Believing in Jesus might help some people get sober. Does that mean that believing in Jesus is a cure for a disease called alcoholism? No, I don't think so.

I haven't looked very deeply into AA, but how have they come up with their program? Is it based on science or is it just some stuff someone came up with that at least seems to work better than nothing?
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Two doctors started the program in the early 1900s

http://mentalfloss.com/article/57983/9-terrifying-medical-treatments-1900-and-their-safer-modern-versions

i'm surprised and impressed by all the pressure against aa here. it is nothing more than an allegory for christianity. that's the long and short.

for some people christianity is a good gig and most non-christians are fine with that. the problem is these organizations need to scream that their way is right for everyone to convince the kool-aid sippers.

physical addiction is obviously a thing with strongly manifesting physical symptoms. i don't know if there's a good argument otherwise. the problem comes in with the lifetime "disease" argument which is disgustingly false and stops people from actually improving their life by seeking medical or mental help (most cases) and instead traps them in church basements.

if you're happing going to bible study 3-5 days a week, keep it up but keep it in the circus.
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Post by: iKobrakai on January 15, 2018, 02:28:35 AM
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I think what mattdookie is trying to say is that alcoholism isn't the disease but more of a symptom of some deeper mental issue. It's kinda like saying that someone who has untreated diabetes has an urination disease. While excessive urination is a symptom of untreated diabetes, it is not the disease.

I personally don't like lumping mental issues with other diseases. It doesn't mean that they can't be as crippling or hard to deal with. Most times they're actually much harder to deal with. I personally excel at procrastination and avoiding things. I don't think it's a disease though. They are just symptoms of deeper mental issues I have. Stuff that I can work on. Not stuff that should be treated. Personally I like to get to the root of things and try to solve the situation there, but other methods can be just as effective, even if they're not the solution for the exact issue.

Believing in Jesus might help some people get sober. Does that mean that believing in Jesus is a cure for a disease called alcoholism? No, I don't think so.

I haven't looked very deeply into AA, but how have they come up with their program? Is it based on science or is it just some stuff someone came up with that at least seems to work better than nothing?
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Two doctors started the program in the early 1900s
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http://mentalfloss.com/article/57983/9-terrifying-medical-treatments-1900-and-their-safer-modern-versions

i'm surprised and impressed by all the pressure against aa here. it is nothing more than an allegory for christianity. that's the long and short.

for some people christianity is a good gig and most non-christians are fine with that. the problem is these organizations need to scream that their way is right for everyone to convince the kool-aid sippers.

physical addiction is obviously a thing with strongly manifesting physical symptoms. i don't know if there's a good argument otherwise. the problem comes in with the lifetime "disease" argument which is disgustingly false and stops people from actually improving their life by seeking medical or mental help (most cases) and instead traps them in church basements.

if you're happing going to bible study 3-5 days a week, keep it up but keep it in the circus.

Wrong. The Big Book clearly states that we should seek medical and psychological help from professionals.

Also it states that the program itself is just a suggestion, not be all, end all.

I get the feeling that many of you are talking out of your asses, never read the text or just been to a meeting or two and listened to some idiots.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Buck Russell on January 15, 2018, 11:37:51 AM

Wrong. The Big Book clearly states that we should seek medical and psychological help from professionals.

Also it states that the program itself is just a suggestion, not be all, end all.

I get the feeling that many of you are talking out of your asses, never read the text or just been to a meeting or two and listened to some idiots.

"satan put the dinosaur bones there to trick you." "the bible says homosexuality is a sin" blah, blah..

at the end of the day its christianity. meeting structure is identical to church service. the whole belief system is the same. it's just like someone went through and did a "find and replace" to change the words up a little.

people want to be religious that's great, i'm happy it works for you but you'll never accept any outside logic and continue to quote your own deeply flawed texts as authoritative sources. you're still not accepting wikipedia and we're supposed to be fine with your version of Dianetics?
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: iKobrakai on January 15, 2018, 11:53:36 AM
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Wrong. The Big Book clearly states that we should seek medical and psychological help from professionals.

Also it states that the program itself is just a suggestion, not be all, end all.

I get the feeling that many of you are talking out of your asses, never read the text or just been to a meeting or two and listened to some idiots.
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"satan put the dinosaur bones there to trick you." "the bible says homosexuality is a sin" blah, blah..

at the end of the day its christianity. meeting structure is identical to church service. the whole belief system is the same. it's just like someone went through and did a "find and replace" to change the words up a little.

people want to be religious that's great, i'm happy it works for you but you'll never accept any outside logic and continue to quote your own deeply flawed texts as authoritative sources. you're still not accepting wikipedia and we're supposed to be fine with your version of Dianetics?

Despite the fact that you have no idea what you're talkng about, yes, there are many elements of Christianity in early stages of AA and the litterature. However, if you can have an IQ of 90 or more, you can easily simply overcome that. That is pretty bad news for many people in this thread...
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: tobey on January 15, 2018, 12:09:59 PM
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Wrong. The Big Book clearly states that we should seek medical and psychological help from professionals.

Also it states that the program itself is just a suggestion, not be all, end all.

I get the feeling that many of you are talking out of your asses, never read the text or just been to a meeting or two and listened to some idiots.
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"satan put the dinosaur bones there to trick you." "the bible says homosexuality is a sin" blah, blah..

at the end of the day its christianity. meeting structure is identical to church service. the whole belief system is the same. it's just like someone went through and did a "find and replace" to change the words up a little.

people want to be religious that's great, i'm happy it works for you but you'll never accept any outside logic and continue to quote your own deeply flawed texts as authoritative sources. you're still not accepting wikipedia and we're supposed to be fine with your version of Dianetics?

That's me who wouldn't accept wiki because why the fuck would anyone accept that when you are trying to state facts?

Also AA isn't that religious at all. Like i said before in the thread you don't have to believe in god to be in the program, you just have to admit that the universe doesn't revolve around you. Stop being an idiot and trying to have say in any of this when you clearly don't know anything about the program.

Only thing that AA is really related to the church is when they have meetings in the churches basement. You don't need to be in any religion to be in the program. Only rule is don't show up drunk   
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: fulltechnicalskizzy on January 15, 2018, 12:18:52 PM
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Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: GAY on January 15, 2018, 12:32:47 PM
I always find it funny when people try to get sober in AA, half-ass shit, don't stay sober, and then say AA doesn't work.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Buck Russell on January 15, 2018, 01:07:10 PM
I always find it funny when people try to get sober in AA, half-ass shit, don't stay sober, and then say AA doesn't work.

more snide cult talk. because the program didn't work for them, they "half-ass shit"?

Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: tobey on January 15, 2018, 01:34:47 PM
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I always find it funny when people try to get sober in AA, half-ass shit, don't stay sober, and then say AA doesn't work.
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more snide cult talk. because the program didn't work for them, they "half-ass shit"?



They half assed it because they didn't do the cult initiation, which is whoever has the most years sober gets blown by the new people coming in.

Like AA says, its a very simple program
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: GAY on January 15, 2018, 02:00:50 PM
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I always find it funny when people try to get sober in AA, half-ass shit, don't stay sober, and then say AA doesn't work.
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more snide cult talk. because the program didn't work for them, they "half-ass shit"?

LOL yes, the term "half-ass" is cult talk. I never said it's for everybody, but lots and lots of people half-ass shit. No need to take it personal, Uncle Buck.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: CRAILFISH TO REVERT on January 15, 2018, 02:06:43 PM
I full-ass everything.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Joclo on January 15, 2018, 02:09:33 PM
I've gone to AA at least once a week for the last 18 months, and while I can't give the program all the credit, I haven't taken a pain pill in 18 months. I used to really love snorting those things too. Other than alcohol and mushrooms I've been sober for a year and a half. I'm still trying to find a goddess of my understanding though.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: tobey on January 15, 2018, 02:21:03 PM
I've gone to AA at least once a week for the last 18 months, and while I can't give the program all the credit, I haven't taken a pain pill in 18 months. I used to really love snorting those things too. Other than alcohol and mushrooms I've been sober for a year and a half. I'm still trying to find a goddess of my understanding though.

Keep it going man. If it works for you (even a little bit) don't listen to other people on here who clearly never went. I'm over two years sober and I still haven't done all the steps. Don't dread about the steps(not the most important thing), just go, be around other people who you can relate to and just air shit out
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: straight on January 15, 2018, 02:27:13 PM
I full-ass everything.

post your base plates
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Post by: CRAILFISH TO REVERT on January 15, 2018, 03:11:41 PM
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I full-ass everything.
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post your base plates

except for skateboarding.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Salty Lame Ass Poosey on January 15, 2018, 08:27:10 PM
AA is a scam-Jack Grisham TSOL

Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Burt Ward on January 15, 2018, 09:36:22 PM
AA is a scam-Jack Grisham TSOL

Yeah but Jack Grisham is a total piece of shit so, grain of salt.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: HisDudest on January 15, 2018, 09:41:07 PM
What a jackass.

Too fuckin funny
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: iKobrakai on January 15, 2018, 11:14:51 PM
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I've gone to AA at least once a week for the last 18 months, and while I can't give the program all the credit, I haven't taken a pain pill in 18 months. I used to really love snorting those things too. Other than alcohol and mushrooms I've been sober for a year and a half. I'm still trying to find a goddess of my understanding though.
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Keep it going man. If it works for you (even a little bit) don't listen to other people on here who clearly never went. I'm over two years sober and I still haven't done all the steps. Don't dread about the steps(not the most important thing), just go, be around other people who you can relate to and just air shit out

See, this is perfect example of different approaches in AA. In my opinion, the steps are most important. But again, do whatever works for you. There are tons of people who never did the steps and tons who did. Find what works for you.

In a cult, there is only one way, the way, to do things. In AA nobody gives a shit. Wanna donate? Fine. Don't want to? Fine. Work the steps? Sure. Combine with other forms of treatment? Go ahead. Relaps? Come back and try again. My group allows drunk people to attend, they are asked to listen. Go to meetings every day or don't show up at all, nobody cares.

People bashing AA are not posting any ground breaking studies, they fail to understand the structure and how it really works. Kind of like the people who bash yoga, they have no clue.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Buck Russell on January 16, 2018, 01:45:42 AM
See, this is perfect example of different approaches in AA. In my opinion, the steps are most important. But again, do whatever works for you. There are tons of people who never did the steps and tons who did. Find what works for you.

In a cult, there is only one way, the way, to do things. In AA nobody gives a shit. Wanna donate? Fine. Don't want to? Fine. Work the steps? Sure. Combine with other forms of treatment? Go ahead. Relaps? Come back and try again. My group allows drunk people to attend, they are asked to listen. Go to meetings every day or don't show up at all, nobody cares.

People bashing AA are not posting any ground breaking studies, they fail to understand the structure and how it really works. Kind of like the people who bash yoga, they have no clue.

aa is nothing more than denial group therapy for narcissists and their victims. it has nothing to do with substance abuse, its causes or cures.

on its own its harmless but in a youth culture that glorifies drinking and drugs  (like skateboarding) it's so harmful because it presents itself as the only answer and creates the dichotomy of "us or them".

if you took the second "A" more seriously you dipshits would stick to your bible group and shut the fuck up. you are toxic, terrible people who never stood a chance anyway. do us all a favor: relapse and od.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: iKobrakai on January 16, 2018, 02:18:03 AM
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See, this is perfect example of different approaches in AA. In my opinion, the steps are most important. But again, do whatever works for you. There are tons of people who never did the steps and tons who did. Find what works for you.

In a cult, there is only one way, the way, to do things. In AA nobody gives a shit. Wanna donate? Fine. Don't want to? Fine. Work the steps? Sure. Combine with other forms of treatment? Go ahead. Relaps? Come back and try again. My group allows drunk people to attend, they are asked to listen. Go to meetings every day or don't show up at all, nobody cares.

People bashing AA are not posting any ground breaking studies, they fail to understand the structure and how it really works. Kind of like the people who bash yoga, they have no clue.
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aa is nothing more than denial group therapy for narcissists and their victims. it has nothing to do with substance abuse, its causes or cures.

on its own its harmless but in a youth culture that glorifies drinking and drugs  (like skateboarding) it's so harmful because it presents itself as the only answer and creates the dichotomy of "us or them".

if you took the second "A" more seriously you dipshits would stick to your bible group and shut the fuck up. you are toxic, terrible people who never stood a chance anyway. do us all a favor: relapse and od.

I'm a terrible person, I know that. What I don't know is the reason you're having a psychotic meltdown.
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Post by: Joclo on January 16, 2018, 03:28:31 AM
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See, this is perfect example of different approaches in AA. In my opinion, the steps are most important. But again, do whatever works for you. There are tons of people who never did the steps and tons who did. Find what works for you.

In a cult, there is only one way, the way, to do things. In AA nobody gives a shit. Wanna donate? Fine. Don't want to? Fine. Work the steps? Sure. Combine with other forms of treatment? Go ahead. Relaps? Come back and try again. My group allows drunk people to attend, they are asked to listen. Go to meetings every day or don't show up at all, nobody cares.

People bashing AA are not posting any ground breaking studies, they fail to understand the structure and how it really works. Kind of like the people who bash yoga, they have no clue.
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aa is nothing more than denial group therapy for narcissists and their victims. it has nothing to do with substance abuse, its causes or cures.

on its own its harmless but in a youth culture that glorifies drinking and drugs  (like skateboarding) it's so harmful because it presents itself as the only answer and creates the dichotomy of "us or them".

if you took the second "A" more seriously you dipshits would stick to your bible group and shut the fuck up. you are toxic, terrible people who never stood a chance anyway. do us all a favor: relapse and od.

I was dealing with a serious addiction and desperately wanted to clean up. Theres nothing wrong with utilizing everything out there to get off the shit. I thought/still do think some of its corny, I am still an atheist, and I take from it what benefits me and I leave the rest. It's certainly not my life, but 400 milligrams of oxy a day isn't either. What the fuck do you know about addiction to be talking that naive shit? Doesn't sound like you've played around in the paint too long anyway.

Honestly, you remind me of people in my small town who are racist because they don't understand other races and have never been around them. Try not to fear your naivete so much. It's tacky.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Owen on January 16, 2018, 04:20:42 AM
You guys really fucked this thread up woth all this talked of AA. We should be talking about FDR and Jump off a Building
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Post by: iKobrakai on January 16, 2018, 04:53:03 AM
You guys really fucked this thread up woth all this talked of AA. We should be talking about FDR and Jump off a Building

My Top 5 video of all time. Welcome to Hell is awesome, but I have a sweet spot in my heart for JOAB. Bams part in there was pretty insane. I also like how rough the video is.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Francis Xavier on January 16, 2018, 06:23:16 AM
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You guys really fucked this thread up woth all this talked of AA. We should be talking about FDR and Jump off a Building
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My Top 5 video of all time. Welcome to Hell is awesome, but I have a sweet spot in my heart for JOAB. Bams part in there was pretty insane. I also like how rough the video is.
Jump off a building never ends,it's so good!
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: calvinsdream on January 16, 2018, 02:30:38 PM
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Hahaha I'm white dude. I don't believe the white privilege theory I think each race has different advantages and disadvantages some more than others but it's dependent on your locality. Generalizers. Jeeze. Stop getting so bent out of shape over opinions lol.

I'm not saying there is a conspiracy I'm saying I wish america would provide access to other options. Is that bad? Controlled use is possible to achieve for some people others not and others it's just substance dependent.

What logic are you talking about? You keep asking what do I expect and it's just more available methods lol.

Also I'm in sociology to help people something that you're talking about AA doing that is so good... Wild bro.
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Not a theory. 

You jump in here with all that massive "knowledge" only to say that you never stated anything. Things are usually said within a context and your arrogance could be seen from your first post.

I seldom kook people, be one of my rare casualities, gender study major boy.

PS. Thank your for helping all of us.
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It's a concept under different theories it's more part of different theories than it's own.

You're just reading things your own way. Tip toeing over everything I said repeatedly doesn't make your statements look like much.

Lol. Get me bro I'm ready for it go on and be such a bad meanie to me I'm afwaid.

Sociology is so bad. Choosing a career path in hopes to help juvenile deliquents gawd dayum. Fuck em!

At least finish the sociology degree before you pat yourself on the back so hard
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: mattdookie on January 16, 2018, 03:16:52 PM
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Hahaha I'm white dude. I don't believe the white privilege theory I think each race has different advantages and disadvantages some more than others but it's dependent on your locality. Generalizers. Jeeze. Stop getting so bent out of shape over opinions lol.

I'm not saying there is a conspiracy I'm saying I wish america would provide access to other options. Is that bad? Controlled use is possible to achieve for some people others not and others it's just substance dependent.

What logic are you talking about? You keep asking what do I expect and it's just more available methods lol.

Also I'm in sociology to help people something that you're talking about AA doing that is so good... Wild bro.
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Not a theory. 

You jump in here with all that massive "knowledge" only to say that you never stated anything. Things are usually said within a context and your arrogance could be seen from your first post.

I seldom kook people, be one of my rare casualities, gender study major boy.

PS. Thank your for helping all of us.
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It's a concept under different theories it's more part of different theories than it's own.

You're just reading things your own way. Tip toeing over everything I said repeatedly doesn't make your statements look like much.

Lol. Get me bro I'm ready for it go on and be such a bad meanie to me I'm afwaid.

Sociology is so bad. Choosing a career path in hopes to help juvenile deliquents gawd dayum. Fuck em!
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At least finish the sociology degree before you pat yourself on the back so hard
Not patting myself on the back at all. Just a goal ya goof.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: stophatin on January 16, 2018, 04:25:12 PM
DUI and AA has nothing to do with skateboarding, college degrees, opiate addictions, religion, race, etc

Take it easy.   Post all your convictions within the last 10 years before you speak advice
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: GAY on January 16, 2018, 04:27:17 PM
DUI and AA has nothing to do with skateboarding, college degrees, opiate addictions, religion, race, etc

Take it easy.   Post all your convictions within the last 10 years before you speak advice

All my convictions took place longer than 10 years ago but I'm unsure about whether this makes my advice more or less sage.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: bawtawd5 on January 16, 2018, 04:31:30 PM
I wish I could get AA to come skate my DUI spot.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: tobey on January 16, 2018, 04:40:01 PM
I wish I could get AA to come skate my DUI spot.

I can't quit you
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on January 16, 2018, 04:44:14 PM
you are toxic, terrible people who never stood a chance anyway. do us all a favor: relapse and od.
fucking hell, are you sXe or something?
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: tobey on January 16, 2018, 04:50:36 PM
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DUI and AA has nothing to do with skateboarding, college degrees, opiate addictions, religion, race, etc

Take it easy.   Post all your convictions within the last 10 years before you speak advice
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All my convictions took place longer than 10 years ago but I'm unsure about whether this makes my advice more or less sage.

My convictions were just under your limit and I was put into a mental hospital because of it. So everyone listen to me
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: GAY on January 16, 2018, 05:24:42 PM
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you are toxic, terrible people who never stood a chance anyway. do us all a favor: relapse and od.
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fucking hell, are you sXe or something?

Is this how the kids are writing sexy now? Pretty cool!
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on January 16, 2018, 05:52:29 PM
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you are toxic, terrible people who never stood a chance anyway. do us all a favor: relapse and od.
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fucking hell, are you sXe or something?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASVsQeWA7Q8

Is this how the kids are writing sexy now? Pretty cool!
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Burt Ward on January 16, 2018, 07:04:58 PM
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you are toxic, terrible people who never stood a chance anyway. do us all a favor: relapse and od.
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fucking hell, are you sXe or something?

He was trying to be edgy in a different way.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Theme For A Jackal on January 17, 2018, 08:53:37 AM
Kind of sad to see companies like Element, Vice, and eS trying to quickly profit off Bam and his "comeback" when it was clear to many viewers he was not sober in the same way someone like AVE or Reynolds is.

Well no shit, they've been sober for years. Obviously Bam wasn't at that point.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Francis Xavier on January 17, 2018, 09:00:39 AM
I think Bam is years away from total sobriety,he's playing catch up with growning up, and still trying to not be a chunky boy. Rooting for him,but doubt we'll see anything new or amazing footage wise.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: slappies on January 17, 2018, 09:08:43 AM
"He's Bam Margera, what will he do next?"

"I am going to drive under the influence of alcohol."

(http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/14900000/-King-of-Rock-n-Roll-Opening-viva-la-bam-14912610-500-375.jpg)
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: GAY on January 17, 2018, 09:10:48 AM
I think Bam is years away from total sobriety,he's playing catch up with growning up, and still trying to not be a chunky boy. Rooting for him,but doubt we'll see anything new or amazing footage wise.

Oh man, sobriety and skinny just DO NOT go together. I gained 75 lbs in one year when I cleaned up my act. Granted, all I ate was meth and Fruity Pebbles for a few years before, so that had a lot to do with it, but still.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: iKobrakai on January 17, 2018, 10:06:23 AM
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I think Bam is years away from total sobriety,he's playing catch up with growning up, and still trying to not be a chunky boy. Rooting for him,but doubt we'll see anything new or amazing footage wise.
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Oh man, sobriety and skinny just DO NOT go together. I gained 75 lbs in one year when I cleaned up my act. Granted, all I ate was meth and Fruity Pebbles for a few years before, so that had a lot to do with it, but still.

I gained some sick fucking gains.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Francis Xavier on January 17, 2018, 10:20:14 AM
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I think Bam is years away from total sobriety,he's playing catch up with growning up, and still trying to not be a chunky boy. Rooting for him,but doubt we'll see anything new or amazing footage wise.
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Oh man, sobriety and skinny just DO NOT go together. I gained 75 lbs in one year when I cleaned up my act. Granted, all I ate was meth and Fruity Pebbles for a few years before, so that had a lot to do with it, but still.
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I gained some sick fucking gains.
Creatinine shakes bruh
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: fang on January 17, 2018, 10:42:09 AM
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you are toxic, terrible people who never stood a chance anyway. do us all a favor: relapse and od.
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fucking hell, are you sXe or something?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASVsQeWA7Q8

Is this how the kids are writing sexy now? Pretty cool!
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Wow. Haven't heard that song since like 1991. I almost got beat up by some sXe crew guys in 1993 at a Slapshot show for putting x's on my hands and toasting the band with my beer every time they said "straight edge - in your face!". I still think it's funny. Those guys are nerds. I liked some of those bands but still laugh at them.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Carrolls Chesthairs on January 18, 2018, 08:12:53 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP8V_Jel0k4
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: iKobrakai on January 18, 2018, 09:08:57 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP8V_Jel0k4

Well... Even though I got sober with the help of AA, I can still say that there are other methods that work. No need to advertise. Actually kind of goes against one of our traditions. Bur fuck it, I understand what he means.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Allen. on January 18, 2018, 11:38:47 AM
Every time I see Steve-O talk after getting sober it’s kind of shocking how well spoken he comes off as being, at least on something like this.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: stophatin on January 18, 2018, 12:15:45 PM
Every time I see Steve-O talk after getting sober it’s kind of shocking how well spoken he comes off as being, at least on something like this.


Well-spoken?  He speaks like an NFL player in a post game interview.  Ton of money & no education - i'm not hating,  I would talk the same way (if not worse) had I made millions by age 30,  inserting "ya know, ya know" in between all my deepest thoughts.

Steve-o made his living off performing drunk shenanigans,  and now stands on a pedestal,   dragging his coworker through the mud in a parking lot interview.... that sucks.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: tobey on January 18, 2018, 12:40:35 PM
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Every time I see Steve-O talk after getting sober it’s kind of shocking how well spoken he comes off as being, at least on something like this.
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Well-spoken?  He speaks like an NFL player in a post game interview.  Ton of money & no education - i'm not hating,  I would talk the same way (if not worse) had I made millions by age 30,  inserting "ya know, ya know" in between all my deepest thoughts.

Steve-o made his living off performing drunk shenanigans,  and now stands on a pedestal,   dragging his coworker through the mud in a parking lot interview.... that sucks.

I didn't really get that reaction that he was talking down on Bam. He was just kind of saying in general what Bam and other people like Bam in the same situation need to do
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: stevedave on January 18, 2018, 01:02:46 PM
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Every time I see Steve-O talk after getting sober it’s kind of shocking how well spoken he comes off as being, at least on something like this.
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Well-spoken?  He speaks like an NFL player in a post game interview.  Ton of money & no education - i'm not hating,  I would talk the same way (if not worse) had I made millions by age 30,  inserting "ya know, ya know" in between all my deepest thoughts.

Steve-o made his living off performing drunk shenanigans,  and now stands on a pedestal,   dragging his coworker through the mud in a parking lot interview.... that sucks.

He was asked a question by TMZ, he's hardly "standing on a pedestal, dragging his coworker through the mud".

Maybe you should......STOPHATIN?
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: stophatin on January 18, 2018, 01:43:55 PM
He was asked a question by TMZ, he's hardly "standing on a pedestal, dragging his coworker through the mud".

Maybe you should......STOPHATIN?

How would you feel if one of your buddies was on prime time TV discussing your life problems to a complete stranger,  for the entire world to see?
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: stevedave on January 18, 2018, 01:55:01 PM
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He was asked a question by TMZ, he's hardly "standing on a pedestal, dragging his coworker through the mud".

Maybe you should......STOPHATIN?
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How would you feel if one of your buddies was on prime time TV discussing your life problems to a complete stranger,  for the entire world to see?

Bam's alcohol problems are WELL documented, as is the DUI he just got, as well as the fact that stuff has been posted on social media with him checking into rehab with Johnny Schilleriff from Element.  All Steve-O did was basically "wish him the best" and tried to explain what HE does to keep HIMSELF sober.  It's not like he said "well, maybe if he wasn't drinking and driving and doing blow or pills he wouldn't be in the position that he's in"  But he never came close to that tone.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Francis Xavier on January 18, 2018, 09:53:04 PM
You really think Steve O could even drag Bam's 250lbs through mud?
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Post by: iKobrakai on January 18, 2018, 10:41:48 PM
You really think Steve O could even drag Bam's 250lbs through mud?

Insufficient gains.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Szechuan on January 19, 2018, 02:09:47 AM
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You really think Steve O could even drag Bam's 250lbs through mud?
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Insufficient gains.
Weck could drag Bam, Phil and two Don Vito's through thick ass stinky Jersey mud no problem.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: GAY on January 19, 2018, 12:09:07 PM
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You really think Steve O could even drag Bam's 250lbs through mud?
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Insufficient gains.
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Weck could drag Bam, Phil and two Don Vito's through thick ass stinky Jersey mud no problem.

No he couldn't unless he was tweaking.
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: GAY on January 19, 2018, 12:10:16 PM
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He was asked a question by TMZ, he's hardly "standing on a pedestal, dragging his coworker through the mud".

Maybe you should......STOPHATIN?
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How would you feel if one of your buddies was on prime time TV discussing your life problems to a complete stranger,  for the entire world to see?
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Bam's alcohol problems are WELL documented, as is the DUI he just got, as well as the fact that stuff has been posted on social media with him checking into rehab with Johnny Schilleriff from Element.  All Steve-O did was basically "wish him the best" and tried to explain what HE does to keep HIMSELF sober.  It's not like he said "well, maybe if he wasn't drinking and driving and doing blow or pills he wouldn't be in the position that he's in"  But he never came close to that tone.

Plus, wouldn't that basically be the truth?
Title: Re: Bam got a DUI
Post by: Francis Xavier on January 19, 2018, 12:11:06 PM
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You really think Steve O could even drag Bam's 250lbs through mud?
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Insufficient gains.
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Weck could drag Bam, Phil and two Don Vito's through thick ass stinky Jersey mud no problem.
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No he couldn't unless he was tweaking. mad at Berra