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Anyone have good experiences with antidepressants? I ain't even tryna feel better about myself - I just wanna stop being tired and sore all the time whether or not I do anything.
Haven't had much energy to skate in the past year and my friends keep saying how tired I am for a 24 yr old. Still try to get out and skate every week but it's 99% soggy pop/mush legs. Only fun activity is like, lying in bed. Put off seeing a doc but I'm pretty fed up with this.
If anyone has trick tips for fakie flips, that would be cool too lol. Can't seem to balance even when I shift all my weight to my front foot.
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Zoloft, combined with living somewhat clean, has been really helpful for me. It's annoying that anti-depressants take like 6 weeks to start to take effect, but if you're really having issues, just focus on living healthier during that period and see how you feel. The time that they take to really start working, is nothing compared to how much of your life you could waste feeling like everything's pointless all the time.
I can totally relate to having pretty bad issues with feeling tired all the time still though, and am also a really big fan of laying in bed. Kratom was actually really helpful for my energy problems, and would definitely help your soreness too, I just personally don't do that stuff anymore cause it was exacerbating my anxiety.
I don't even know what to say about fakie flips. I'm not good at skating by any means, but I've always had an easier time with fakie stuff, I <3 fakie.
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Anyone have good experiences with antidepressants?
No. Side effect to therapeutic ratio is pretty bad with them. I'd recommend bupropion then buspirone first though since you can gauge how it will work for you pretty quickly and have different bonding sites than regular antidepressants. Drugs that act only on serotonin sites wont help your fatigue most likely. What you really need is a type of amphetamine if you want to tackle the problem seriously.
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In my personal experience mediation really helps ease my anxiety/depression, even simply walking around the block and getting out the house for 15 mins does wonders
As for fakie flips I always find it easier to have my front foot over the first two bolts and my back foot on the edge of the heel side of my tail above the pocket, after popping & flicking I jumped slightly back away from my board to allow it to rotate undisturbed and try to catch it flicking foot first and lean toward the popping foot when rolling away to keep my balance
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about a decade and a half ago i had similar bad times. no energy for anything, let alone skating. docs put me on some different things but wellbutrin (i think aka bupropione) is what rejiggered all my brain chemicals back to something approaching normal. it still took a few months for the fog to lift, so you can't be too impatient if you go that route. i haven't had to take anything since though. obviously everyone responds differently to different things, and legal disclaimer i am not a "medical" "doctor".
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same. i need to be on them, but the fatigue is killing me. i'm in a really demanding academic program at the moment, and i'm too tired to keep up. forget about skating or any other physical activity.
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Bupropion is almost pharma cocaine in my experience.
If you want energy, and never wanna smoke, try it.
Be prepared however to not be able to eat or sleep on higher doses. Drs usually increase the dose. Try to stay lower dose
Stay away from typical ssri's unless you wanna feel like being struck by lightning a few times a day(just my experience)
Also, look at the supplement in my name. Works very well.
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I find I get energy from momentum. Sounds lame but if you launch yourself into shit it helps. Drink water. Breakfast. I'm getting extra energy from cana caps I made with weed with high CBD. -That shit will turn you into a work horse. But don't go to the weird 'doctor' and get pharmicaled out. -You don't know what that shit is and the ethics in that industry are dogshit.
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Bupropion is almost pharma cocaine in my experience.
If you want energy, and never wanna smoke, try it.
Be prepared however to not be able to eat or sleep on higher doses. Drs usually increase the dose. Try to stay lower dose
Stay away from typical ssri's unless you wanna feel like being struck by lightning a few times a day(just my experience)
Also, look at the supplement in my name. Works very well.
i've been on bupropion for a while and i feel like it doesn't do shit for me
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It sounds corny but exercise and no booze works wonders. Also make sure you're sleeping well. Those 3 things are free and good place to start if nothing else.
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The good medicines (dog drugs) aren't for everyone, but at least make a informed decision on what drugs you take, don't just take any old thing the doctor gives you. Most problems are lifestyle based. I say no drugs or good drugs, no inbeetween bullshit.
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I find I get energy from momentum. Sounds lame but if you launch yourself into shit it helps. Drink water. Breakfast. I'm getting extra energy from cana caps I made with weed with high CBD. -That shit will turn you into a work horse. But don't go to the weird 'doctor' and get pharmicaled out. -You don't know what that shit is and the ethics in that industry are dogshit.
CBD is seriously a compound of the gods.
Never have I studied/used a compound so prolific in it's effects.
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Can't help you with one...but fakie flips I'd say do a bunch of fakie ollies first to get the timing... Then just do it. I know what you're talking about though...I lean too far forward and whiff all the time, lean too far back and it's like you roll your ankle.
Good luck on finding the energy and respect for putting it out there....people get weird about mental health and it's garbage....
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I find I get energy from momentum. Sounds lame but if you launch yourself into shit it helps. Drink water. Breakfast. I'm getting extra energy from cana caps I made with weed with high CBD. -That shit will turn you into a work horse. But don't go to the weird 'doctor' and get pharmicaled out. -You don't know what that shit is and the ethics in that industry are dogshit.
CBD is seriously a compound of the gods.
Never have I studied/used a compound so prolific in it's effects.
Here's the thing, I went of my SSRI's after 4 plus years and used CBD oil primarily to stop the electric shocks shooting through my nervous system. I kept taking it for months and felt good but then without me realising I'd slipped back into deep depression alongside some crushing anxiety. I tried but in the end I went back on the SSRI's and continue with the CBD oil but I think if I didn't I was heading towards a breakdown. They still haven't taken full effect but I'm feeling better and had that light bulb moment when they first started working that it wasn't just stress, anxiety or environment that was causing me to feel that way it was my brain chemistry working against me.
Any help anyone can offer I'll take.
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There are about ten gazillions of them on the market and you'll be dead by time you find the one that works. Unless you're willing to become a zombie or stay up for the rest of your life, do any thing else.
I've had three kinds of them and they all fucking blew, one way, or the other. Side effects were pretty gnarly.
Then again, Jordan Peterson is on SSRI:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x35Rbe81vkU
Me, no. None of that shit. I'd rather fight the demons for by my self. We'll see how it plays out.
See a doctor. Might work for you.
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I don't wanna go on too much about myself in your thread, but I've more or less have been dealing with anxiety and depression for the bulk of my adult life. Last year in particular was a really rough time, so I reluctantly decided to see a therapist. If you're in a slump and haven't tried speaking to a professional I highly recommend it. It's certainly not a be-all end-all, but speaking to a completely objective voice about what's going on in your life is an extremely proactive way to make some positive change. I don't really have any experience with antidepressants, but if seeking help results in taking them then more power to ya. Just be careful, because I know plenty of folks who have experienced some pretty gnarly side affects. I won't disparage them altogether, but never discount the impact of small, healthier changes to your overall mental health like drinking lots of water! Either way I hope you find whatever it is you're looking for. You're definitely not alone in the struggle, and it does get better.
As for fakie flips, I really like to put emphasis on the flick itself. As long as you get a good pop and flick forward well it sorta catches itself. Remember that Tony Hawk game where you could do the ultra slow-mo wild flip tricks? I like to imagine that in my head whenever I try any flip trick.
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an alternative to seeing a therapist or taking psychiatric meds is trying to retrain your brain. you do it through introspection and positively reinforcing yourself like a dog when you behave/think correctly. introspection helps you figure out the roots of your problems, something you can pay a therapist to do or which you can do on your own with some effort. and training your brain can be done in a few different ways, such as by ignoring dark thoughts and praising healthy thoughts. it’s basically meditation and forming new habits. I’m currently battling OCD and anxiety this way.
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Many ways to skin a cat. Just a thought; perhaps life would be brighter if neuroses was treated as someone's unique art project (and perhaps our main drive as humans is creativity\art rather than sex) that MUST see it's logical end rather than non unique set of symptoms that the 'doctor' can correlate with a certain pill in an attempt to crush the neuroses. Mabye you shouldn't divert but rather continue in the direction of the 'breakdown'. Dangerous maybe but cest la vie.
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Wow, you guys are fuckin amazing people, wish I joined SLAP sooner. I really appreciate all the tips/advice!!!
I think I'll talk to someone and try to change up my routine before I try meds. I don't make an effort to sleep well at all, so that'll be the first thing for sure. Also if I went outside and somehow learned how to 360 flip, I'm pretty certain that would be enough stoke to lift me out of whatever this is.
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I did Cognetive Behavioural Therapy but I've never done psycho therapy or any of that. Not that I'm against it but I just don't have the time or money for it right now. I thought I could just push through and "not be a pussy" about it but in the end I can honestly say that without the drugs I probably would have done myself or someone I loved damage by now. My issue isn't something I can work around as far as I can work out, it's the balance of chemicals in my brain not working and the mess help so far. I'm always looking for alternatives. I really need a better
Work life balance though.
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Also if I went outside and somehow learned how to 360 flip, I'm pretty certain that would be enough stoke to lift me out of whatever this is.
It's all in the back foot. Whip that shit back with your toes in the pocket and she'll go! Here are other ideas to fight depression:
- ending long-term relationships that you know deep down have become toxic
- quitting a job you hate
- moving from a city you don't enjoy living in anymore
- weed
- the great outdoors, sometimes on acid
- trying to meditate
- cutting down drinking/other shit
- drinking more water, making an effort to exercise, better diet (this is so hard for me)
I can't comment on meds but these things helped me tremendously. Hoping you get better, depression is a bitch. Don't be ashamed to cry my dude, I call it a facegasm.
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I'm surprised you want antidepressants to feel less tired, because I've only had the opposite effect. I'm a sleepy dude in general and that's only been magnified while on Citalopram, which I've been on since January, and spent a year on in 2013/2014.
But yeah, take antidepressants for depression, not the side effects. As mentioned already, it can be a long period of trial and error before you figure out what works for you and it's just silly to do it if you're not sure it's depression you're dealing with.
Just echoing that exercise, diet, routine, etc can be helpful. I also recommend therapy to anybody who can afford it or get it covered by insurance. It's critical when you're in really low states and helpful when you're low but not THAT low. They'll also help guide you through the medication process if that's what you decide you need.
Fakie flips I put my whole flicking foot on the board around the middle to ensure I pop it higher. But Kalis lets his heel hang off way up toward the bolts and you know what his look like. Experiment and do what you gotta do.
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an alternative to seeing a therapist or taking psychiatric meds is trying to retrain your brain. you do it through introspection and positively reinforcing yourself like a dog when you behave/think correctly. introspection helps you figure out the roots of your problems, something you can pay a therapist to do or which you can do on your own with some effort. and training your brain can be done in a few different ways, such as by ignoring dark thoughts and praising healthy thoughts. it’s basically meditation and forming new habits. I’m currently battling OCD and anxiety this way.
Cognitive thinking. And when practiced remarkable
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Wow, you guys are fuckin amazing people, wish I joined SLAP sooner. I really appreciate all the tips/advice!!!
Slap is full of alcoholics, the unemployable, angry loners...we know a thing or two about being unhappy.
Some of these replies are hilarious. Bawtawd cautioning against taking medications prescribed by a doctor (admittedly not completely bad advice in all circumstances), but deep web research chemicals are totally cool though.
Also, the single redeeming thing about anti-depressants that you can cite, is the fact that Jordan fucking Peterson takes them? Yeah it would really be too bad if that jackass was too depressed, to have the energy to write about how human society should be structured more like lobster hierarchies.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=eymr9NZpna8
All the advice about exercising, meditation, proper sleep and diet, etc... are solid tips for sure, and would be helpful to a degree, but are often insufficient for people dealing with serious mental health problems. Not accusing anybody here of doing this exactly (it's really cool that people are giving positive input), but for me personally, I've definitely been in situations where my friends think they're being helpful by telling me stuff like that, but it comes off as them being dismissive, or at least ignorant, of just how difficult dealing with mental health issues can be.
I go to a therapist as well, but don't tell most of my friends that. It's dumb, cause I don't judge others for it, but that's one thing I'm embarrassed about. Definitely good to have an objective outsider to give you a different perspective on things, and it's helped my communication skills as well.
Speaking of Kalis, hasn't he discussed going to therapy in a couple interviews? That's actually really cool for a guy like that to be that open about it, somebody text him and tell him to get in this thread.
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Cognitive therapy and counseling has helped me out tremendously. But it still took time and alot of work. And to be honest, alot of that was really hard to deal with too.
It's not fucking easy. The day I congratulated ikobakai on his 5 year sobriety I relapsed. For no fucking reason whatsoever that I can justify. I'm on like day six of being an idiot and acting dumb/irrational while trying to find a bed at rehab myself.
So I get the depression issue vastly, but I too suffer and no matter how educated I am I still have my downfalls
Just do your fuckin best. I can say a million things but that's what it comes down to. You'll be better off for it
And thanks to slap for actually wanting to help and speaking about their experience...
Last fuckin place I'd ever expect to get help but again I'm proven wrong.
Good fuckin job guys. These lil posts of expenses seriously help
Depression is just so fucked. Nobody has legit answers on how to deal with it until you suffer from it. I can't even comment on what causes it. Too many variables.
Good luck man and just do your fucking best! Everyday is a gift and appreciate that.
If you need to shoot me a pm just to talk shit if it helps. I genuinely care as I'm in this battle too
Please don't go the medication route until you feel it's necessary. It can cause shit to get alot worse(not saying it will though)
Sorry this post is just a ramble. I'm not sure if I posted it to help you or me, or both?
Get better man
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I'm surprised you want antidepressants to feel less tired, because I've only had the opposite effect. I'm a sleepy dude in general and that's only been magnified while on Citalopram, which I've been on since January, and spent a year on in 2013/2014.
See this is the problem, I was on the same pill for some time, the side effects made me near damn suicidal. I ended up in the rehab and the doctor was suprised that any other medical professional would put me on Citalopram, he switched me to Prozac. Citalopram, according to him, works mainly for older people.
Again, by the time you find the one that works your soul will be depleted from switching, testing and getting off shit.
I'd rather deal with shit without pills, at least I put up a fight. However, I do not recommend my approach to any one. Who the fuck knows, I might be digging my own grave and suffer for no good reason.
Cognitive therapy and counseling has helped me out tremendously. But it still took time and alot of work. And to be honest, alot of that was really hard to deal with too.
It's not fucking easy. The day I congratulated ikobakai on his 5 year sobriety I relapsed. For no fucking reason whatsoever that I can justify. I'm on like day six of being an idiot and acting dumb/irrational while trying to find a bed at rehab myself.
Don't judge yourself too hard. Try to learn from it and get back to work, buddy.
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Nail a sick milly rock and I bet you'll guys will feel better instantly. Don't even gotta leave your house or put your shoes on.
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I'm surprised you want antidepressants to feel less tired, because I've only had the opposite effect. I'm a sleepy dude in general and that's only been magnified while on Citalopram, which I've been on since January, and spent a year on in 2013/2014.
See this is the problem, I was on the same pill for some time, the side effects made me near damn suicidal. I ended up in the rehab and the doctor was suprised that any other medical professional would put me on Citalopram, he switched me to Prozac. Citalopram, according to him, works mainly for older people.
Again, by the time you find the one that works your soul will be depleted from switching, testing and getting off shit.
I'd rather deal with shit without pills, at least I put up a fight. However, I do not recommend my approach to any one. Who the fuck knows, I might be digging my own grave and suffer for no good reason.
Ha, I'm about to turn 40 so does that count as older? When it starts to kick in after a few weeks I get these moments of feeling subtly high like the very first part of coming up on MDMA. I think my serotonin levels are so low that just the feeling of balance makes me feel high.
I spoke to a buddy when I was off them who has similar experience to me with this and told him how hard I crashed after a few months off and he said that the problem is sometimes the drugs work so well you think you don't need them. I was convinced I was doing good and then boom I'm back in the hole.
Maybe I should talk to a doctor and switch them up.
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I'm surprised you want antidepressants to feel less tired, because I've only had the opposite effect. I'm a sleepy dude in general and that's only been magnified while on Citalopram, which I've been on since January, and spent a year on in 2013/2014.
See this is the problem, I was on the same pill for some time, the side effects made me near damn suicidal. I ended up in the rehab and the doctor was suprised that any other medical professional would put me on Citalopram, he switched me to Prozac. Citalopram, according to him, works mainly for older people.
Again, by the time you find the one that works your soul will be depleted from switching, testing and getting off shit.
I'd rather deal with shit without pills, at least I put up a fight. However, I do not recommend my approach to any one. Who the fuck knows, I might be digging my own grave and suffer for no good reason.
I spoke to a buddy when I was off them who has similar experience to me with this and told him how hard I crashed after a few months off and he said that the problem is sometimes the drugs work so well you think you don't need them. I was convinced I was doing good and then boom I'm back in the hole.
Maybe I should talk to a doctor and switch them up.
If something works it works. You could try a different ssri, if 2 or 3 drugs in the same class work for you then other ones in the same class most likely will too. Or vice versa if they don't work you'd be better off abandoning further ssri experimentation. Or just play it safe with what you got. I like to experiment with my brain but to others its too much of a hassle. Its all up to you, you got the power of decision.
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Wow, you guys are fuckin amazing people, wish I joined SLAP sooner. I really appreciate all the tips/advice!!!
Slap is full of alcoholics, the unemployable, angry loners...we know a thing or two about being unhappy.
Some of these replies are hilarious. Bawtawd cautioning against taking medications prescribed by a doctor (admittedly not completely bad advice in all circumstances), but deep web research chemicals are totally cool though.
Also, the single redeeming thing about anti-depressants that you can cite, is the fact that Jordan fucking Peterson takes them? Yeah it would really be too bad if that jackass was too depressed, to have the energy to write about how human society should be structured more like lobster hierarchies.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=eymr9NZpna8
All the advice about exercising, meditation, proper sleep and diet, etc... are solid tips for sure, and would be helpful to a degree, but are often insufficient for people dealing with serious mental health problems. Not accusing anybody here of doing this exactly (it's really cool that people are giving positive input), but for me personally, I've definitely been in situations where my friends think they're being helpful by telling me stuff like that, but it comes off as them being dismissive, or at least ignorant, of just how difficult dealing with mental health issues can be.
I go to a therapist as well, but don't tell most of my friends that. It's dumb, cause I don't judge others for it, but that's one thing I'm embarrassed about. Definitely good to have an objective outsider to give you a different perspective on things, and it's helped my communication skills as well.
Speaking of Kalis, hasn't he discussed going to therapy in a couple interviews? That's actually really cool for a guy like that to be that open about it, somebody text him and tell him to get in this thread.
At one time suggestions of ANY nature can be 'tone deaf' and dismissive but i feel the labeling of people who don't support the phych drug industry as ignorant and uncaring is just a narrative that supports the money machine that is the drug industry. Don't drink the kool aid.
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I’m on Zoloft and Ativan. It probably saved my life but I can’t fuck like a champ anymore. I can barely get a boner. I don’t want to kill my self but I’ll go weeks without jerking off. It’s like you forget about sex altogether. I’m cool with it though. Sex is overrated.
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that's funny woodsman, i didn't barely jerk of for like 2-3 yrs. something crazy like that and i mostly blamed being junkie but i also was taking atavans. those things killed my game, i'd ignore girls when i was skating. pussy was laying on the ground but i wouldn't pick it up.
never put it together.
fuck them shits [unless you're trying to sleep or get out a bad trip or whatever].
i'll mail out a care package of benzos/suboxins now and again but mostly fuck all that.
it's funny, if i don't like someone i'll think 'yeah, you're cheating if you're happy on ssri's' but if i respect a person i'm like 'ok, do what works for you'.
personally i'm against them in my own system [and the waste water system] for a few reasons. jordan peterson is a pussy. ubermensch w/ pills? fuck outta here.
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I have a super heavy family history, Sniff. My brother Killed himself by hanging, my cousin blew his head off with a shotgun and then there’s all the peeps who tried but failed including my mom slashing her wrists. So I would say get on meds now if you are suicidal and have a history like that. Otherwise just eat your vitamins and workout in your parents basement. But for real if anyone out there is feeling like ending it, please please don’t do it. It creates so much damage to everyone who loves you. And I know this sounds like cornball shit but people do love you. No matter how alone you feel, you’re just a person going through this difficult thing called life. I’m pretty sure we only get one so stick around and see what happens next. How will you know who wins SOTY or what Fred Gall is up to if you check out now?.
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my family is a little more lowkey but we suicide too. my great aunt leapt from my 3rd floor porch while i was locked up in juvie. my schizo sister tried to do the same from the first floor railing and broke her femur.
i usedta die a couple, 3 X a yr but people always got me up w/ narcan.
like jim gagne on booze, i got depressed once for 20 yrs.
you're right about the damage. rusty about destroyed his parents. i wouldn't say he owed it to anyone to live hearing voices all the time but sometimes i feel like if he had any idea he would've stuck around for them.
i wasn't knocking you personally on atavans. i got em to be a bawtawd but then i wasn't into it anymore, didn't realize how dull i'd gotten. if they improve your life, run w/ it. that jordan peterson guy kinda rubs me hypocritical.
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I just got on 20mg of prozac and .02mg of clonidine. It's been a week and I feel fucked up. I know it's not the prozac because it hasn't been that long right? I emailed my doc and told him I wasn't feeling right, light headed, exhausted, I had a fucking panic attack yesterday and I've never had one. He said we can try something else but honestly I don't want it.
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This thread is fucked.
It's full of honest people suffering and that's tragic. But the whole suicide shit is crazy.
I'm so sorry you guys had/have to deal with that
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I just got on 20mg of prozac and .02mg of clonidine. It's been a week and I feel fucked up. I know it's not the prozac because it hasn't been that long right? I emailed my doc and told him I wasn't feeling right, light headed, exhausted, I had a fucking panic attack yesterday and I've never had one. He said we can try something else but honestly I don't want it.
It can be the Prozac, most likely is. Ssri effect your brain the first time you take them, and every time you take one, its just the therapeutic action doesn't take effect until your receptor system is saturated with it. I dislike the ssri action, just from a drug standpoint, but whatever, I'm just some dude. Sounds like your doc might try a benzodiazepine, I would recommend trying one, but if it does work for you try not to up the dose.
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Sorry for the long post but I have tons of experience with this and hopefully this might help someone:
First off, if you're going to go on meds just get a script for adderrall. It'll %100 solve the tiredness and the motivation problem. But honestly there's soooo much natural stuff that can help.
For the past 10 years I've tried EVERYTHING, even the most obscure shit out there. I actually just got back from a trip to south america where I spent 11 days doing native medicine. Ayahuasca, peyote, san pedro cactus, yopo, Alvarius toad (5-MeO-DMT), and Kambo frog.
Things like Kambo frog can get rid of depression and addictions. It literally changes your brain chemistry.
I've been on most SSRI's and could never tell if they were working so I always stopped after a few months. I didn't get any side effects when starting or stopping abruptly, I was on the max dose of Wellbutrin (Bupropion). It's the most stimulating SSRI but I stopped taking it cause it wasn't helping my anxiety. If you're gonna go down the prescription route I recommend bringing that up.
After there was nothing less for me to try I went to see a new doctor who put me on Zoloft which I agreed to take because it's one of the best SSRI's for anxiety and after struggling with benzos for years, I knew I had to go the SSRI route. I've been on it for 6 weeks and i'm doing much better. I only took it because I'd exhausted all other options and I can't take benzos for the rest of my life.
You should take Maca root for overall energy. You can get them in capsules for pretty cheap and definitely work. There's nootropics like phenylpiracetam and adrafinil, etc.
And finally, I know this sucks to hear but although whatever you take will help your energy levels, the real problem is being unmotivated. It's the hardest part because you really have to work hard to get out of that rut. You gotta be disciplined and force yourself to do shit you don't want to do like going to the gym, skating, whatever. If you put in a month of hard work i'm sure you'll get your groove back.
BTW, if you do take an SSRI you'll probably feel worse (more tired and unmotivated) at first. Also consider that it can worsen depression in some people.
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Yeah, a lot of sad shit in here.
I fucking hate how you have to "complement" SSRIs. And another thing, getting on that shit is pretty much a life long commitment unless you are in treatment. Pretty shitty deal.
Having said that, if you need to be on them, go ahead. I don't know shit.
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I spoke to a buddy when I was off them who has similar experience to me with this and told him how hard I crashed after a few months off and he said that the problem is sometimes the drugs work so well you think you don't need them. I was convinced I was doing good and then boom I'm back in the hole.
I quit zoloft and zolpidem when I moved away for work this june as after a long time I was feeling great and full of energy. This lasted till two months ago when a big deadline came up. The side effects were FUCKED, I'm still here recovering. I don't wish them on anyone. I'm back on the meds now. I'm an idiot though because due to the stigma attached to depression/anxiety I tried to selfmedicate myself which was an horrible decision.
And another thing, getting on that shit is pretty much a life long commitment unless you are in treatment. Pretty shitty deal.
That's the other main thought that scared me and made me try to deal with it on my own.
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Yeah, suffering from anxiety/depression will leave you a couple of options. All of them are pretty shitty.
1) Go Kobra/Sniffy/Baw/Rents route and self-medicate. Terrible in the long run.
2) Dive into the cycle of on/off meds, side effects and switching back and forth. Terrible in the long run.
3) Therapy. God knows how long time and how much money this option is gonna require. Might work in the long run, although I've never seen it.
4) Ignore your troubles and get busy with things like career, marriage and divorce, possibly even shitty kids. Congratulations, bro. You are now broken, burned out and 35+, feel free to choose between 1-3.
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not primarily an antidepressant per se (although it can be used as an add-on treatment for depression) but, does anyone on here have any experience with aripiprazole ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aripiprazole
my girl is on that shit, and has been for maybe six months now. we both have certain reservations regarding the drug industry so it took us a while to first decide she should actually get on the meds she was getting prescribed, then even longer to find a treatment that didn't completely wreck her in terms of side effects. aripiprazole / abilify is the best compromise we ended up finding, she's way more socially apt on that shit but in return, among other common side effects such as twitching etc. she has to take several naps a day and she's lost a lot of her positivity, confidence and overall drive in life. not sure whether that has to do with the illness or the meds. the purpose of the drug is to basically slow the progression of the schizophrenia down, and help the patient live a quieter (and longer) life, but sometimes I see her sink down a deep well of apathy and negativity when she used to be so hyper and that occasionally makes me question how much all of that is worth it to some degree. the reassuring thought is we both think she functions better on the meds, but every now and then I just get pissed at our social model trying to make everybody just that, 'functional', when some people just naturally aren't and maybe would feel more free without the external pressure.
also,
This thread is fucked.
It's full of honest people suffering and that's tragic. But the whole suicide shit is crazy.
I'm so sorry you guys had/have to deal with that
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Yeah, suffering from anxiety/depression will leave you a couple of options. All of them are pretty shitty.
1) Go Kobra/Sniffy/Baw/Rents route and self-medicate. Terrible in the long run.
2) Dive into the cycle of on/off meds, side effects and switching back and forth. Terrible in the long run.
3) Therapy. God knows how long time and how much money this option is gonna require. Might work in the long run, although I've never seen it.
4) Ignore your troubles and get busy with things like career, marriage and divorce, possibly even shitty kids. Congratulations, bro. You are now broken, burned out and 35+, feel free to choose between 1-3.
Pretty much this..
I've battled with depression basically half of my life (I'm 28). Have tried some pharmaceuticals, self-medicated and have ignored my problems. But the best thing I did was to go to see a therapist. It gives you an outlet to speak your mind and get stuff of your chest. I've talked about stuff I haven't spoken even to my closest friends. It gives you tools how to battle when you are feeling the lowest. And another thing that I'll say is that food has a really really big part of your well being! Cut down all your slow fat and try to eat fresh fruits and veggies. Makes you feel light and energized!
For some people taking meds might be the only answer and they should stick to it but at least for me they just made me feel nothing and that was much more worse than feeling blue..
But it never is that easy as all of us know.. Today the sun is shining bright and life seems just about right, but deep down I know this won't last because in some time the clouds will come and make my mind rain.
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I've been on and off medication since I was 15 of the antidepressent variety. I'm currently on fluvoxamine, which is used primarily for anxiety reduction, and has been successful in doing that...
but it was after 2 months of some very intense nausea and lethargy, and a failed effexor trial that had worse side effects. Now the medication still makes me nauseous daily but not as much, although I think my stomach has figured out a way to counter it - it's been two years on it, and if I forget to take a dose my stomach produces so much acid that it's woken me up choking on it.
I guess it's better on the meds, I don't have any intense periods of anxiety and I my depressive episodes are much shorter in length...but if I didn't need to take them to maintain a relatively normal job I probably would take them a lot less, or if I lived in a medicinal state I would just take advantage of that.
Talk therapy (and CBT) have helped, especially because I don't really talk to other people much, it was really helpful to gain an outsiders objective opinion. That shit is expensive and I can't really swing it anymore, but I'm glad I went when I did.
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I've dealt with depressive issues for at least 10 years now (never diagnosed) and self medicate with natural methods: exercise, vitamin D from the sun, coffee, vitamins, smoking sativas. I experimented with microdosing 5-50ug LSD every fourth day. For me, it was almost as if it shut down the ability to feel any sort of sadness, negative, depressive, or suicidal thoughts. I am very introverted and it made all of my roommates easier to be around. I did a lot of research prior to the experiment and also used acid previously so I know what the experience of a standard dose is like. I stopped dosing 3 weeks ago as of now and can still feel the effects for the most part...
It's not a perfect solution but if you have the means, I would recommend it. :)
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I've been on and off medication since I was 15 of the antidepressent variety. I'm currently on fluvoxamine, which is used primarily for anxiety reduction, and has been successful in doing that...
but it was after 2 months of some very intense nausea and lethargy, and a failed effexor trial that had worse side effects. Now the medication still makes me nauseous daily but not as much, although I think my stomach has figured out a way to counter it - it's been two years on it, and if I forget to take a dose my stomach produces so much acid that it's woken me up choking on it.
I guess it's better on the meds, I don't have any intense periods of anxiety and I my depressive episodes are much shorter in length...but if I didn't need to take them to maintain a relatively normal job I probably would take them a lot less, or if I lived in a medicinal state I would just take advantage of that.
Talk therapy (and CBT) have helped, especially because I don't really talk to other people much, it was really helpful to gain an outsiders objective opinion. That shit is expensive and I can't really swing it anymore, but I'm glad I went when I did.
Cbt(cognitive behavioral therapy) should work for almost anyone. It's amazing. When it falters it's usually because you quit using it without realizing.
It is used on its own too. You don't need a professional to talk to you about it daily.
There is a really good book on it I read, I want to say it's called ""rewire"
ALOT of self help type books are really just cbt
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CBT is how i got rope burn on my dick. works for some people i guess but never again!
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Anyone have good experiences with antidepressants? I ain't even tryna feel better about myself - I just wanna stop being tired and sore all the time whether or not I do anything.
visit a specialist, don't do them on your own
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Funny enough I tried every prescription med in this thread before, but was never depressed like heavy or anything. Basically weed and thinking too much + negative environment caused panic attacks when I was like 15. None of them shits did what they were supposed to do. Except benzos.
So called recreational drugs helped me, basically a tool to learn new behaviors, to where you can stop taking it and still have the learned behavior. Sometimes you learn bad behaviors with em tho.
I'm not crazy, institution, your the one that's crazy.
Keep ya heads up players
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First off: Fakie flips: They really improved for me when I put my "push down foot" all the way on the edge of the tail. Before that I had them in a kind of a pocket of the tail pn the side (like I would do my nollies) and they wouldn't be as consistent and not as high.
About the depression: I agree with most that has been written in this thread. I suffered from a pretty heavy depression after I quit my dissertation project two years ago. I felt completely exhausted and really restless and confused at the same time. I had panic attacks and stomach pains. This lasted for almost 6 months. At least I could still sleep and I had a girlfriend which provided somewhat of a solid base in my life. I started going to therapy once a week. The therapist is a psychoanalyst who is also open to behavioral techniques (in Germany most of the therapists now do a sort of cross-over thing where you talk about your emotions and your childhood and relationships, but they also try to help you master your day to day problems). I found it to be super helpful. It is like having a life couch who will help work with your emotional issues. It is however a longer process and not all the emotions and things you might discover in your life will be easy to deal with. After the six months I also did a day clinic, where you do group therapy, music therapy, physical therapy. It was sort of like going to work. You had a schedule of different things to do and you had to hang out with other patients during the day, but you got to go home at night and on the weekends. It was pretty rough to see how many good regular people deal with depression. The mix of the people reminded me a bit of skating. There were managers , kinder garden teachers, football hooligans, students...
I was prescribed SSRIs there and I did not experience any side effects. Actually I wouldn't even be able to say if it was the pills or the therapy that improved my health. Since then I have started a new career and worked as a school teacher. I fell back into the depression one year later, but then it only lasted a few weeks and I was able to work again after being sick for 3 weeks and getting back on SSRIs. I am still seeing the therapist once a week and not everything is perfect, but overall I have been much better. I still take a small dose of SSRIs. Since they do not have any side effects I don't really mind. I am very glad therapy in Germany is completely covered by medical insurance.
I have a big problem with people like Jordan Petersen, who himself admits that he is basicly suffering from a burnout depression, but still seems to urge people to be self disciplined, work harder and "get their shit together". Before I fell into my depression I had all my shit together and I was extremely self disciplined and very ambitious. That was actually a big part of my problem that I force myself to do shit which I don't need to or don't want to do and that I thought I had to be strong and master everything myself. That whole american Joe Roganesque philosophy of "conquer your inner bitch" does way more harm than it does good in my opinion. I mean who are these really lazy people who are lazy and don't do shit? In my circle of friends everyone is restless as hell and always feels they don't do enough. For many people doing nothing is way harder than "doing something". I had pushed myself hard for such a long time that I didn't even realize a part of me had checked out of my life years ago. I am still kind of trying to get it back and it is still really difficult.
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JP is a shithead whose ideas are either too convoluted to make any sense or just common sense stuff you already knew. People mistake his confidence for wisdom.
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trick tip for depression, always always always be busy doing something, dont sit around just thinking about shit. also eat better food.
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trick tip for depression, always always always be busy doing something, dont sit around just thinking about shit. also eat better food.
ALOT of people go this route, I think. Rohan was posting some stuff like that. I personally think that dudes' prolly onto some shit.
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I've dealt with depressive issues for at least 10 years now (never diagnosed) and self medicate with natural methods: exercise, vitamin D from the sun, coffee, vitamins, smoking sativas. I experimented with microdosing 5-50ug LSD every fourth day. For me, it was almost as if it shut down the ability to feel any sort of sadness, negative, depressive, or suicidal thoughts. I am very introverted and it made all of my roommates easier to be around. I did a lot of research prior to the experiment and also used acid previously so I know what the experience of a standard dose is like. I stopped dosing 3 weeks ago as of now and can still feel the effects for the most part...
It's not a perfect solution but if you have the means, I would recommend it. :)
How long did you microdose for?
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trick tip for depression, always always always be busy doing something, dont sit around just thinking about shit. also eat better food.
That falls in line with cbt(kinda)
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i've been on the Lexapro for a while...it's helped a lot in my professional and personal life. like everyone has said in this thread it's different for everyone tho
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I have a big problem with people like Jordan Petersen, who himself admits that he is basicly suffering from a burnout depression, but still seems to urge people to be self disciplined, work harder and "get their shit together". Before I fell into my depression I had all my shit together and I was extremely self disciplined and very ambitious. That was actually a big part of my problem that I force myself to do shit which I don't need to or don't want to do and that I thought I had to be strong and master everything myself. That whole american Joe Roganesque philosophy of "conquer your inner bitch" does way more harm than it does good in my opinion. I mean who are these really lazy people who are lazy and don't do shit? In my circle of friends everyone is restless as hell and always feels they don't do enough. For many people doing nothing is way harder than "doing something". I had pushed myself hard for such a long time that I didn't even realize a part of me had checked out of my life years ago. I am still kind of trying to get it back and it is still really difficult.
Yes, I not a fan of his, but his methods are good for a lot of people in certain situation. When I got out of rehab, keeping my shit in order was the only way to build a foundation for normal funtioning. For a useless fucker, like me, those methods worked (until now).
Also, that inner bitch can be a number of things (as fas as I understood). Example: I should probably get in therapy but my inner bitch stops me. After all that time in institutions, my ass is allergic to that enviroment. I refuse and am scared of going back to all that.
But, yes, I understand your point. I sitting here now thinking I pissed this day away, doing nothing. What I did today:
Had a breakfast and hung out with this girl. Worked on my clean and jerk for 90 minutes (olympic weight lifting). Bought veggies. Prepped my lunches for next week for work; chicken, veggies, rice. Did laundary.
Pretty good for a saturday, but my fucking mind is racing and I cannot help feeling like I'm wasting my life away. The question is, what is the alternative, what is "doing something"?
I'm ranting.
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I have a big problem with people like Jordan Petersen, who himself admits that he is basicly suffering from a burnout depression, but still seems to urge people to be self disciplined, work harder and "get their shit together". Before I fell into my depression I had all my shit together and I was extremely self disciplined and very ambitious. That was actually a big part of my problem that I force myself to do shit which I don't need to or don't want to do and that I thought I had to be strong and master everything myself. That whole american Joe Roganesque philosophy of "conquer your inner bitch" does way more harm than it does good in my opinion. I mean who are these really lazy people who are lazy and don't do shit? In my circle of friends everyone is restless as hell and always feels they don't do enough. For many people doing nothing is way harder than "doing something". I had pushed myself hard for such a long time that I didn't even realize a part of me had checked out of my life years ago. I am still kind of trying to get it back and it is still really difficult.
Yes, I not a fan of his, but his methods are good for a lot of people in certain situation. When I got out of rehab, keeping my shit in order was the only way to build a foundation for normal funtioning. For a useless fucker, like me, those methods worked (until now).
Also, that inner bitch can be a number of things (as fas as I understood). Example: I should probably get in therapy but my inner bitch stops me. After all that time in institutions, my ass is allergic to that enviroment. I refuse and am scared of going back to all that.
But, yes, I understand your point. I sitting here now thinking I pissed this day away, doing nothing. What I did today:
Had a breakfast and hung out with this girl. Worked on my clean and jerk for 90 minutes (olympic weight lifting). Bought veggies. Prepped my lunches for next week for work; chicken, veggies, rice. Did laundary.
Pretty good for a saturday, but my fucking mind is racing and I cannot help feeling like I'm wasting my life away. The question is, what is the alternative, what is "doing something"?
I'm ranting.
I'm very much like you in this regard. I basically acheive my daily goals, don't feel it's enough and push through. Actually helps me sleep at night(exhausted)
But that's where you need to draw the line. Sometimes being constructive is relaxing. Taking time to chill, or maybe just a mellow hobby. Like today I have similar plans as your day, but tonight I'm unwinding with some woodwork which I'm excited about, and it obviously doesn't stress me out.
The mind is fucked. Do more, do more! Do less, do less!
Nah it's a blend of both. We aren't machines that can go and go and go(heck even machines break down when overworked)
Stoked for you working on your form! Too many people think they "know it all and do all lifts perfect". Fuck that, always room to improve!
I'd say your day is a huge success in my opinion!
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Jordan Peternson has always been a bitch boy actin hard. reviewbrah goes hard, stare into his angel lizard eyes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OmNavO4XeQ
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Thank you, sir!
Olympic weight lifting is so damn hard you can spend months with just the bar. There are sooo many things to adjust and learn.
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Thank you, sir!
Olympic weight lifting is so damn hard you can spend months with just the bar. There are sooo many things to adjust and learn.
Absolutely true!!!
I spent years on deadlifts alone(my weight still sucks, but that's because I've been on again off again)
But deads are my favorite. I love that feeling of "I hate this so much but I'm gonna crush it" kinda thing
I remember doing 285 @160lbs for the first time and the amount of stoked was like I get from skating, maybe even moreso
Now that's a shitty lift, but it was awesome for me! That's all that matters
Aaaand, I pulled it for 5 reps. Like, I'm not stopping here, that felt too easy!
Then I tried 300 and got a single.
Now it's alot of memory, I can pull 300 like a cakewalk. But I have this mental block to go above 325
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I'm not gonna derail this thread so I'll try to connect fitness to depression.
Once I'm done with heavy dead lift I tend to be in the present moment more than at any time else. Just there, breathing. I'm sure you can get to that state of mind by training your psyche but it's just so hard.
Eckhart Tolle's books helped me a bit but I stopped that for some reason.
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I have a big problem with people like Jordan Petersen, who himself admits that he is basicly suffering from a burnout depression, but still seems to urge people to be self disciplined, work harder and "get their shit together". Before I fell into my depression I had all my shit together and I was extremely self disciplined and very ambitious. That was actually a big part of my problem that I force myself to do shit which I don't need to or don't want to do and that I thought I had to be strong and master everything myself. That whole american Joe Roganesque philosophy of "conquer your inner bitch" does way more harm than it does good in my opinion. I mean who are these really lazy people who are lazy and don't do shit? In my circle of friends everyone is restless as hell and always feels they don't do enough. For many people doing nothing is way harder than "doing something". I had pushed myself hard for such a long time that I didn't even realize a part of me had checked out of my life years ago. I am still kind of trying to get it back and it is still really difficult.
Yes, I not a fan of his, but his methods are good for a lot of people in certain situation. When I got out of rehab, keeping my shit in order was the only way to build a foundation for normal funtioning. For a useless fucker, like me, those methods worked (until now).
Also, that inner bitch can be a number of things (as fas as I understood). Example: I should probably get in therapy but my inner bitch stops me. After all that time in institutions, my ass is allergic to that enviroment. I refuse and am scared of going back to all that.
But, yes, I understand your point. I sitting here now thinking I pissed this day away, doing nothing. What I did today:
Had a breakfast and hung out with this girl. Worked on my clean and jerk for 90 minutes (olympic weight lifting). Bought veggies. Prepped my lunches for next week for work; chicken, veggies, rice. Did laundary.
Pretty good for a saturday, but my fucking mind is racing and I cannot help feeling like I'm wasting my life away. The question is, what is the alternative, what is "doing something"?
I'm ranting.
I'm very much like you in this regard. I basically acheive my daily goals, don't feel it's enough and push through. Actually helps me sleep at night(exhausted)
But that's where you need to draw the line. Sometimes being constructive is relaxing. Taking time to chill, or maybe just a mellow hobby. Like today I have similar plans as your day, but tonight I'm unwinding with some woodwork which I'm excited about, and it obviously doesn't stress me out.
The mind is fucked. Do more, do more! Do less, do less!
Nah it's a blend of both. We aren't machines that can go and go and go(heck even machines break down when overworked)
Stoked for you working on your form! Too many people think they "know it all and do all lifts perfect". Fuck that, always room to improve!
I'd say your day is a huge success in my opinion!
What they taught at me the clinic was that the challenge is to stop being at war with yourself. If a part of you does not want to do anything all day because you feel sad or lazy you need to acknowledge that and have a dialogue with yourself instead of just thinking of yourself as lazy or useless and just forcing yourself to do stuff. You need to at least realize "man, I am really forcing myself to do this right now even though a part of me does not want to" and than maybe do something for that part of yourself afterwards. So you could have a lazy night after you have pushed yourself all day or you take a day off and just follow those drives in you that don't want to do shit. My therapist also told me that the psyche is similar to the body in some ways so if you force yourself to do things you should find a way to recover afterwards, just like you need to recover after a hard work out. If for a longer period of time you push too hard without recovering you will basicly get injured/mentally exhausted/depressed.
Thinking about it that way has helped me alot.
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an alternative to seeing a therapist or taking psychiatric meds is trying to retrain your brain. you do it through introspection and positively reinforcing yourself like a dog when you behave/think correctly. introspection helps you figure out the roots of your problems, something you can pay a therapist to do or which you can do on your own with some effort. and training your brain can be done in a few different ways, such as by ignoring dark thoughts and praising healthy thoughts. it’s basically meditation and forming new habits. I’m currently battling OCD and anxiety this way.
I agree the multieired approach is the way to go. I'm doing some light meds, but getting outside for skating/exercise has been really helpful. As are good eating habits and good sleep patterns. One thing that's helped me lately is a small (4-5 people) once a week therapy group. The therapist hand picked the group, so we're all about the same income range, we have a female attorney and an ex-Air force guy who's a commercial pilot. We're all kind of working on the same stuff. It helps a lot.
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an alternative to seeing a therapist or taking psychiatric meds is trying to retrain your brain. you do it through introspection and positively reinforcing yourself like a dog when you behave/think correctly. introspection helps you figure out the roots of your problems, something you can pay a therapist to do or which you can do on your own with some effort. and training your brain can be done in a few different ways, such as by ignoring dark thoughts and praising healthy thoughts. it’s basically meditation and forming new habits. I’m currently battling OCD and anxiety this way.
I agree the multieired approach is the way to go. I'm doing some light meds, but getting outside for skating/exercise has been really helpful. As are good eating habits and good sleep patterns. One thing that's helped me lately is a small (4-5 people) once a week therapy group. The therapist hand picked the group, so we're all about the same income range, we have a female attorney and an ex-Air force guy who's a commercial pilot. We're all kind of working on the same stuff. It helps a lot.
Yep thats CBT
The beauty in brain elasticity is that it can be rewired.
It might not work for severe mental health issues, but things like OCD, PTSD, gad etc its the best approach I'm
It's certainly not magic though and you do have to work at it!