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Skateboarding => PHOTOS/VIDEO => Topic started by: Bubblegum Tate on April 16, 2018, 12:37:46 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IUwNjPbCOM
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"You have no morals."
Heath Blinky
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LIKE
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heard the name for years, know nothing other than he's an industry dude
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Loved the Logic videos (well most of them).
Was surprised and amused to hear him talk about the MTV Sports segment he did back in the mid 90s. I watched that clip all the time on MTV. Basically my first introduction to street skating before ever seeing an actual skate video. It's funny looking back on the segment now and knowing this had a big influence on me (and probably others) at that time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRJgPmU57Iw&index=17&t=4s&list=LL7iyqk7hRMeZ2fT5fuxmhSg
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Thought it was Rollins at first. Watched Logic 6 a bunch one summer.
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I know it's not related, but does anyone go out of their way to get a Brezinski board? I think this episode is the first time I've ever heard anyone thank him for anything
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heard the name for years, know nothing other than he's an industry dude
He's the dude that got sued by Quiksilver for stealing riders
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Mathew Modine from stranger things? Or the guy in Mormon Girls?
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"Our subscription service doesn't effect shops in the slightest."
What a heaping pile of bullshit.
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"Our subscription service doesn't effect shops in the slightest."
What a heaping pile of bullshit.
"Steaming pile of cow dung... figuratively speaking."
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"Our subscription service doesn't effect shops in the slightest."
What a heaping pile of bullshit.
"Steaming pile of cow dung... figuratively speaking."
A reasty rank heap of unspeakable excrement
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In 12 months, when decks are $95:
"There is no collusion! I never said I would talk to other companies about pricing! SAD!" - Heath Brinkley
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"Our like subscription service like doesn't like effect like shops in like the slightest."
What a heaping pile of bullshit.
Like, Fixed
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HE'S A FUCKING ASSHOLE.
FUCK THIS DUDE
YOU'LL SOON UNDERSTAND !!!!
DUDES A FUCKING PEICE OF CRUSTY DOG SHIT IN THE GUTTER AT SOME SHIIITY LA SCHOOL YARD
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He puts the Brink in Brinkley.
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I'm not sure if I like this guy or not. Seems corny.
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i only heard the audio so i couldn't tell if he was that serious but dude seemed to still be upset with c-rob for "cool guying" him 20+ years ago. also he looks like mike pence.
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It was an interesting listen but this dude and guys like him are what people should really be worried about when talking about "the industry" and "selling out", not getting mad at the guys out there skating for wanting a little bit more.
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Gimme another two hours of Vincent Alvarez....
I can kinda see why/how these happen but....I'm old...nerdy and I didn't get down with this. If there was a choice to do a boring one with someone current or young or this? Go young....who can relate to this guy? Stories....just ok.
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That was informative. Making a good living off the skate industry ain't easy...
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A bit of a sales meeting.
I would have to say he hasn't done or really been involved in anything I find interesting in skateboarding.
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It was an interesting listen but this dude and guys like him are what people should really be worried about when talking about "the industry" and "selling out", not getting mad at the guys out there skating for wanting a little bit more.
Agree.
There are moments in this interview where he plays a sort of psychological game of professing innocence and being cool-guyed by the industry but at the same time he's a pretty ruthless business man.
I kind of wish guys like this would just come clean and say it like it is "I don't skate (anymore). I'm here to make money."
I understand he has a family to provide for and respect that, so respect your prospective customers and say it like it is.
Also, he does a pretty good contradiction of himself when he denies being PRod's manager but then agrees that he'd tell him which tricks to film and help him (and others) with contract negotiations. Ha!
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I see his point about the price of boards being the same for 30 years. All things considered, these board brands are pretty small businesses and its not a crime to want to make a decent living at it. It's just bad optics to quasi-whine about a market condition you knew full well of before starting a brand.
What he leaves out is the savings that weren't passed on when a lot of these brands switched to Chinese manufacturing. I can't speak to what the prices are now for these brands but the collusion thing is interesting. I'm mostly kidding about the collusion. They are just waiting for Element, Deluxe, or someone to take the price increase plunge first.
I'd bet everyone is still afraid of Revive and shop decks taking a larger market share. Thank your local Youtuber.
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If half the brands didn't exist....the other half could make some money.....if the manufacturers didn't press for everyone....maybe there'd be some difference in products....but they put it on us?
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it's anathema to me to support schrockmaster j but if i can pay $38 to a dork-ass ohio mormon w/ a gut but HE'S OUT SKATING [w/ that pussy josh katz no less] or i can pay $100 so this guy gets his cut, that guy gets his cut, the pro makes $2 and so on, you're kinda pushing me into the arms of the youtubers.
i'm not there yet, i think they're distasteful and if we don't support our indie businesses we're dependent on walmart/amazon. i know these things but maybe skate companies can trim the fat?
dude had cool hair anyways, i'll concede that.
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If half the brands didn't exist....the other half could make some money.....if the manufacturers didn't press for everyone....maybe there'd be some difference in products....but they put it on us?
I agree with this, I honestly find it annoying that there are TOO MANY options when it comes to boards, and every semi relevant pro thinks they can have a new boutique brand out , I mean has anyone actively looked for a "yezzur" board, or been like " yo mikey Taylor started sovrn? I need that" ....and don't get me started on hardware or bearings
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If half the brands didn't exist....the other half could make some money.....if the manufacturers didn't press for everyone....maybe there'd be some difference in products....but they put it on us?
I agree with this, I honestly find it annoying that there are TOO MANY options when it comes to boards, and every semi relevant pro thinks they can have a new boutique brand out , I mean has anyone actively looked for a "yezzur" board, or been like " yo mikey Taylor started sovrn? I need that" ....and don't get me started on hardware or bearings
When everybody is pro, nobody is. When every pro has a special new board company, nobody does.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDBq-OU1rHo
Any chance of a company that does not raise its prices inspite of every other company raising theirs, to see success thru reverse-price gauging? There is no way an entire market is going to pay 2x the price for the same performance. (I would think)There would have to be a company and wood shop emerging to do the work for the original price, and they would get the most business.
Fucking Yuppies man. You know what I don't do for a living? I don't fuck over my own kind.
And fuck his haircut too.
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I see his point about the price of boards being the same for 30 years. All things considered, these board brands are pretty small businesses and its not a crime to want to make a decent living at it. It's just bad optics to quasi-whine about a market condition you knew full well of before starting a brand.
What he leaves out is the savings that weren't passed on when a lot of these brands switched to Chinese manufacturing. I can't speak to what the prices are now for these brands but the collusion thing is interesting. I'm mostly kidding about the collusion. They are just waiting for Element, Deluxe, or someone to take the price increase plunge first.
I'd bet everyone is still afraid of Revive and shop decks taking a larger market share. Thank your local Youtuber.
I can't speak for everyone, but I have heard that crail boards come in for less than other brands. Maybe that was a way to get rid of stock when they were changing wood companies awhile back? Maybe my memory is off? Anyway, even if they do sell to shops for less the quality is terrible and they're not moving to fast so they savings take a long time to make a difference.
Like when Flip left NHS they sold a ton of boards for real cheap and I still see those boards on the shop wall. Yeah it was cheap to get them in and a good way for the shop to make extra money but they aren't making anything when the boards don't sell. It makes sense but doesn't make dollars.
And, although I never deliberately bought Bucky boards, I did buy a few Bucky boards.
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This dude is only thinking about little kids with wealthy parents when he says $80-90 a deck is nothing. If it's for a little kid that's starting to skate then it makes sense because that board can last them up to a year but what about everyone else?
It's already hard enough for underprivileged kids and kids in third world countries to afford skate gear. If you raise the price to $90 then it's gonna cost like $120 in South America and other parts of the world.
There's always gonna be a company that sells good quality boards for $50 or less so I don't think this shit is gonna fly. Interesting episode none the less.
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Just dawned on me that Chris Roberts wears Grizzly shirts. Lol... Jesus Christ. People in LA are so funny.
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Listening to Heath Brinkley talk, makes me want to go buy a DLX board...
Listening to him talk about their subscription service was embarrassing, trying to say that there were shops that had an uptick in sales from Primitive selling boxes of boards and wheels for cheap online was laughable. If you saw a shop have an uptick in sales, it's because that shop is working their asses off and doing a good job promoting skateboarding in their local scene, not because kids are buying your boards and wheels online every month ::)
Dude also needs to take a beginners economics class.
1:55:55 "by no means am I undercutting shops!"
"Someone might say, 'well you're undercutting with your subscription', but you're still paying full price for the board, it's the other stuff that you get, you know?"
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I cant decide whether im excited to watch this one or not...
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ONCE AGAIN , DUDES A PEICE OF SHIT
AS YOU WILL SEE WITH THE SHANE SHIT !!!
FUCK THIS CLOWN
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ONCE AGAIN , DUDES A PEICE OF SHIT
AS YOU WILL SEE WITH THE SHANE SHIT !!!
FUCK THIS CLOWN
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ONCE AGAIN , DUDES A PEICE OF SHIT
AS YOU WILL SEE WITH THE SHANE SHIT !!!
FUCK THIS CLOWN
tell me more....
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ONCE AGAIN , DUDES A PEICE OF SHIT
AS YOU WILL SEE WITH THE SHANE SHIT !!!
FUCK THIS CLOWN
tell me more....
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why you always gotta tease us 5 incher why can't you just tell us the whole story instead of brinking us
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This dude is only thinking about little kids with wealthy parents when he says $80-90 a deck is nothing. If it's for a little kid that's starting to skate then it makes sense because that board can last them up to a year but what about everyone else?
It's already hard enough for underprivileged kids and kids in third world countries to afford skate gear. If you raise the price to $90 then it's gonna cost like $120 in South America and other parts of the world.
There's always gonna be a company that sells good quality boards for $50 or less so I don't think this shit is gonna fly. Interesting episode none the less.
This is the reason board brands cant really raise prices. Boards are all more or less the same. If one brand raises the price kids will just buy whats cheaper. FA can charge a fraction more and they are a very sought after boutique brand. The price difference between a ferrari and a nissan in skateboards is like $10
I did hear at a shop that Deluxe raised their board prices 3 or 4 dollars recently. I think there is room psychologically for brands to move up to $60 over the next few years but much higher than that and people will go shop deck.
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that interview was full of contradictions on the business side - then towards the end i heard him casually say he s on team clements and it suddenly all made sense.
my poor polluted & fried mind tells me these are the people hurting skateboarding the most... dark men... i cringe every time when they try to justify their actions and try to pass em as doing something benefiting the culture, while in reality they re out to create a controlled enviroment with one objective- making money.
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This dude is only thinking about little kids with wealthy parents when he says $80-90 a deck is nothing. If it's for a little kid that's starting to skate then it makes sense because that board can last them up to a year but what about everyone else?
It's already hard enough for underprivileged kids and kids in third world countries to afford skate gear. If you raise the price to $90 then it's gonna cost like $120 in South America and other parts of the world.
There's always gonna be a company that sells good quality boards for $50 or less so I don't think this shit is gonna fly. Interesting episode none the less.
This is the reason board brands cant really raise prices. Boards are all more or less the same. If one brand raises the price kids will just buy whats cheaper. FA can charge a fraction more and they are a very sought after boutique brand. The price difference between a ferrari and a nissan in skateboards is like $10
I did hear at a shop that Deluxe raised their board prices 3 or 4 dollars recently. I think there is room psychologically for brands to move up to $60 over the next few years but much higher than that and people will go shop deck.
Shop decks and "pro" decks are really one in the same. I think the whole reason companies haven't raised prices is because they know as well as we do that if prices were any higher the skaters who go through boards on a consistent basis will resort to buying shop decks or purchase sale decks on one of the many online shops "for sale" section.
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Darkmen episodes are good cause I can see what companies are about a little more, but this dude seems pretty untrustworthy, like he had alot of secrets he didn't want to tell. Looked scared.
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then towards the end i heard him casually say he s on team clements and it suddenly all
From all I heard in this thread it seemed like this guy was a giant kook, but this definitely confirmed it. No need to watch the episode after this.
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ONCE AGAIN , DUDES A PEICE OF SHIT
AS YOU WILL SEE WITH THE SHANE SHIT !!!
FUCK THIS CLOWN
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All board companies are essentially selling (due to) hype and graphics that you might like or not. So the price is a big deal.
However, this lack of innovation makes skateboarding a level field (more so than most sports) - money cannot buy you a board with magic pop or an unbreakable board, which makes it easy to relate to others' skills.
So, to conclude - we need fewer board brands and/or make it a point that a board brand is not trying to pay their riders much (if at all) and have them be sorts of local crews with a small margin for the operating costs.
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So, to conclude - we need fewer board brands and/or make it a point that a board brand is not trying to pay their riders much (if at all) and have them be sorts of local crews with a small margin for the operating costs.
Wouldn't having fewer board brands make it more possible to rise boards prices than having an over saturated market?
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The only reason anybody creates a new board brand is to create a new team and if the sales are good, pay them nicely. Less brands, less unnecessary teams that need to fed by big margins.
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The only reason anybody creates a new board brand is to create a new team and if the sales are good, pay them nicely. Less brands, less unnecessary teams that need to fed by big margins.
Only reason to start a business is to make money... And what's so bad about having lot's of little niche markets? Something for everyone ehh? Would you be okay if we only had Nike and Adidas or is it better that we some kind of diversity having Vans and NB#?
Have you ever heard of monopoly or duopoly? Where I'm from we have only two big groceries store chains and they dictate the market and because of that we have to settle on their prizes which make us one of the most expensive places in the world to buy food. I'd say if we had more competition the cost of food would be lower but hey that's just me..
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The only reason anybody creates a new board brand is to create a new team and if the sales are good, pay them nicely. Less brands, less unnecessary teams that need to fed by big margins.
Only reason to start a business is to make money... And what's so bad about having lot's of little niche markets? Something for everyone ehh? Would you be okay if we only had Nike and Adidas or is it better that we some kind of diversity having Vans and NB#?
Have you ever heard of monopoly or duopoly? Where I'm from we have only two big groceries store chains and they dictate the market and because of that we have to settle on their prizes which make us one of the most expensive places in the world to buy food. I'd say if we had more competition the cost of food would be lower but hey that's just me..
I’m going to be concerned once shoe companies start getting into the grip tape game.
Also, what company town do you live in?
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The only reason anybody creates a new board brand is to create a new team and if the sales are good, pay them nicely. Less brands, less unnecessary teams that need to fed by big margins.
Only reason to start a business is to make money... And what's so bad about having lot's of little niche markets? Something for everyone ehh? Would you be okay if we only had Nike and Adidas or is it better that we some kind of diversity having Vans and NB#?
Have you ever heard of monopoly or duopoly? Where I'm from we have only two big groceries store chains and they dictate the market and because of that we have to settle on their prizes which make us one of the most expensive places in the world to buy food. I'd say if we had more competition the cost of food would be lower but hey that's just me..
I’m going to be concerned once shoe companies start getting into the grip tape game.
Also, what company town do you live in?
Ass-market is cheaper but kkk-market has better products..
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half the interview was about how people vibed him out, blew him off or thought his stuff was wack, im gonna have to trust the better judgment of the pros that did that to him.
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This dude is only thinking about little kids with wealthy parents when he says $80-90 a deck is nothing. If it's for a little kid that's starting to skate then it makes sense because that board can last them up to a year but what about everyone else?
It's already hard enough for underprivileged kids and kids in third world countries to afford skate gear. If you raise the price to $90 then it's gonna cost like $120 in South America and other parts of the world.
There's always gonna be a company that sells good quality boards for $50 or less so I don't think this shit is gonna fly. Interesting episode none the less.
This is the reason board brands cant really raise prices. Boards are all more or less the same. If one brand raises the price kids will just buy whats cheaper. FA can charge a fraction more and they are a very sought after boutique brand. The price difference between a ferrari and a nissan in skateboards is like $10
I did hear at a shop that Deluxe raised their board prices 3 or 4 dollars recently. I think there is room psychologically for brands to move up to $60 over the next few years but much higher than that and people will go shop deck.
Shop decks and "pro" decks are really one in the same. I think the whole reason companies haven't raised prices is because they know as well as we do that if prices were any higher the skaters who go through boards on a consistent basis will resort to buying shop decks or purchase sale decks on one of the many online shops "for sale" section.
isn't that what half the people here do already through the "for sale" thread ?
as far as south america and other countries, I think they'll just rely more on local brands. It cost way less the US brands and I'm sure the quality is just fine. Look at dudes like milton martinez and kelvin hoelfer, they were already the shit in south america, before they came here.
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Have you ever heard of monopoly or duopoly?
i think it’s wrong that only one company makes the game monopoly
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as far as south america and other countries, I think they'll just rely more on local brands. It cost way less the US brands and I'm sure the quality is just fine. Look at dudes like milton martinez and kelvin hoelfer, they were already the shit in south america, before they came here.
I don't know about the rest of LA, but aren't Brazilian decks notoriously shitty quality and/or heavy?
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as far as south america and other countries, I think they'll just rely more on local brands. It cost way less the US brands and I'm sure the quality is just fine. Look at dudes like milton martinez and kelvin hoelfer, they were already the shit in south america, before they came here.
I don't know about the rest of LA, but aren't Brazilian decks notoriously shitty quality and/or heavy?
That's because they're all made of rainforest mahogany for some reason
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He mentions how kids in Europe pay $90-100 for a deck but that isn't so the company or shop can make more $$ it's because it's a imported good that cost a lot to ship and that shop has to pay duties. He also mentions how FA charges more for their decks...From the FA decks I have seen with the higher cost usually have some sort of inlay or embossed graphics or some hologram that I'm sure cost more to produce
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i don't trust this guy
also would not go to meet him for lunch anywhere since it might be part of an elaborate scheme to make some kind of passive aggressive point
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that interview was full of contradictions on the business side - then towards the end i heard him casually say he s on team clements and it suddenly all made sense.
my poor polluted & fried mind tells me these are the people hurting skateboarding the most... dark men... i cringe every time when they try to justify their actions and try to pass em as doing something benefiting the culture, while in reality they re out to create a controlled enviroment with one objective- making money.
More and more evidence is building towards the conclusion that I should hate Ryan Clements.
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this is your "core industry" that so many of you are willing to die on the cross for
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this is your "core industry" that so many of you are willing to die on the cross for
perfect!
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So this is the guy inside prods hat
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I love that guys who don't buy boards and have an interest in the cost of boards going up are all in agreement that board prices should go up. Lost a lot of respect for Chris, Rog, and Kelly for their sycophantic tongue wagging on this topic.
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this is your "core industry" that so many of you are willing to die on the cross for
There is no core industry. Every company has a corporate tie in some way.
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rog and c-rob preparing the skate public to support only non skate brand shoes and pay $100 for a deck and the whole 'paying for bust or bails from ETN' i'm starting to see a pattern.
'try to take my chain? i ain't goin!' - chief keef
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So this is the guy inside prods hat
ahahha
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rog and c-rob preparing the skate public to support only non skate brand shoes and pay $100 for a deck and the whole 'paying for bust or bails from ETN' i'm starting to see a pattern.
'try to take my chain? i ain't goin!' - chief keef
maybe... sure they gave the ETN guy a platform but Rog wasnt easy on him
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ONCE AGAIN , DUDES A PEICE OF SHIT
AS YOU WILL SEE WITH THE SHANE SHIT !!!
FUCK THIS CLOWN
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tell me more, did you get very far?
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So this is the guy inside prods hat
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/817OAW%2BAjZL._SY550_.jpg)
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Nine clubs interviews have been super boring recently, although now I really wanna skate that plaza in nashville. I get the whole boards should cost more argument, and I agree from a business stand point they should be to be able to profit. but skaters will never pay $80 for a deck, not when they last a month at best.
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ONCE AGAIN , DUDES A PEICE OF SHIT
AS YOU WILL SEE WITH THE SHANE SHIT !!!
FUCK THIS CLOWN
tell me more....
Like does he have a car?
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Nine clubs interviews have been super boring recently, although now I really wanna skate that plaza in nashville. I get the whole boards should cost more argument, and I agree from a business stand point they should be to be able to profit. but skaters will never pay $80 for a deck, not when they last a month at best.
The problem with these board brands is they don't sell a unique product. Every deck is the same so no one can raise their prices.Its actually kinda crazy they can get away with charging $50 for a deck that you can buy the exact same product (shop deck) for $35.
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Nine clubs interviews have been super boring recently, although now I really wanna skate that plaza in nashville. I get the whole boards should cost more argument, and I agree from a business stand point they should be to be able to profit. but skaters will never pay $80 for a deck, not when they last a month at best.
The problem with these board brands is they don't sell a unique product. Every deck is the same so no one can raise their prices.Its actually kinda crazy they can get away with charging $50 for a deck that you can buy the exact same product (shop deck) for $35.
I thought it was fucked up when he said the reserve box has a deck thats at a retail price of around $50 and they're exclusive decks that you only get in the reserve. I'm pretty sure they're exclusive to the reserve because those fucks are putting price point decks in there that retail at $40 and claiming them to be of the same quality as their normal decks. Fuck Heath and Primitive as a whole. "Ceo" of a skate company trying to make a profit, but contemplating charging 80+ for a deck? That shits not going to fly because the markets oversaturated.
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Nine clubs interviews have been super boring recently, although now I really wanna skate that plaza in nashville. I get the whole boards should cost more argument, and I agree from a business stand point they should be to be able to profit. but skaters will never pay $80 for a deck, not when they last a month at best.
The problem with these board brands is they don't sell a unique product. Every deck is the same so no one can raise their prices.Its actually kinda crazy they can get away with charging $50 for a deck that you can buy the exact same product (shop deck) for $35.
I thought it was fucked up when he said the reserve box has a deck thats at a retail price of around $50 and they're exclusive decks that you only get in the reserve. I'm pretty sure they're exclusive to the reserve because those fucks are putting price point decks in there that retail at $40 and claiming them to be of the same quality as their normal decks. Fuck Heath and Primitive as a whole. "Ceo" of a skate company trying to make a profit, but contemplating charging 80+ for a deck? That shits not going to fly because the markets oversaturated.
I'm sure the deck they put in there is at the very least a pro deck that didn't from last season or what have you. But is anyone really gonna check to see if the deck wasn't in the catalog or on the online store?
You'd probably get a Transformers deck
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New SLAP rule:
ANY SUBJECT CONTAINING THE WORD "HEATH" SHOULD CONTAIN A WARNING THAT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HEATH KIRCHART IF THE POST HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HEATH KIRCHART EVEN IF THE SUBJECT IMPLIES THE POST HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HEATH KIRCHART
this subject should be changed to:
Heath Brinkley (WARNING:NOT HEATH KIRCHART!!) | The Nine Club With Chris Roberts - Episode 92
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this is your "core industry" that so many of you are willing to die on the cross for
There is no core industry. Every company has a corporate tie in some way.
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$80 decks would kill skateshops faster than nike and adidas ever could
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New SLAP rule:
ANY SUBJECT CONTAINING THE WORD "HEATH" SHOULD CONTAIN A WARNING THAT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HEATH KIRCHART IF THE POST HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HEATH KIRCHART EVEN IF THE SUBJECT IMPLIES THE POST HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HEATH KIRCHART
this subject should be changed to:
Heath Brinkley (WARNING:NOT HEATH KIRCHART!!) | The Nine Club With Chris Roberts - Episode 92
Damn I saw the caps and I thought 5inch was clarifying his implication :(