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Re: Skaters and their Rapper equivalents by Jenkem
« Reply #90 on: June 13, 2018, 12:43:00 PM »

rza would never ever produce anything remotely as groundbreaking and unique as the college dropout

this is such a bad comparison, yeah 36 chambers has great production, it's a groundbreaking album and shit, but it's an album from 1993 and hip-hop was way different then than it was in fucking 2004 and later. also, all in all kanye's a better producer than rza, even though rza is good too (btw one of his best beats (dark fantasy) went to kanye).


that made me lol, thanks.

it's the truth though

i would argue that they are more similar than yall are making them out to be. different sounds and a different time for sure but they're similar in their influence - they are both innovators that changed the landscape of hip hop at different times.(rza for the better kanye for the worst? - that would be a more interesting argument atleast) it's just easier and maybe fairer to criticize kanye cause he's a fucking wackjob and came up in the wayne era. i just wanna add that i fucking love a rza beat. they're both top 5 for me. just my 2c
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Re: Skaters and their Rapper equivalents by Jenkem
« Reply #91 on: June 13, 2018, 01:20:39 PM »
i love kanye and rza equally. they are both crucial.





here let me play the game:

stevie williams - black thought



rodney mullen - myka 9



gonz - ramellzee



natas - rakim



alan gelfand - kool moe dee



weckingball - melle mel



ron allen - saul williams

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Re: Skaters and their Rapper equivalents by Jenkem
« Reply #92 on: June 13, 2018, 01:32:37 PM »
Rza innovated hella shit from 93-97, most notably his liberal use of sampling where he would use inaudible hums and syllables as instruments. Without that there's no Kanye or 9th wonder.  Thing is he fell off hard when hip hop moved into more polished productions and he had inferior beats to other producers on Supreme Clientele and Nigga Please.

Kanye on the other hand has had top notch shit since 2001 only really fucking up when he goes on his super experimental Yeezus shit. That said I would say Kanye still only squeks by the Rza.

For the record, my list of producers who could body Ye is this

Premier
Dre
Timbaland
Madlib
Alchemist
Neptunes
Organized Noise
9th Wonder
Pete Rock
Just Blaze (on a good day)

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Re: Skaters and their Rapper equivalents by Jenkem
« Reply #93 on: June 13, 2018, 04:49:34 PM »
Jesus why straight to personal attacks? Just talking about music and there you go.....I don't like west he's a douchebag and very overrated and i'm not the only one to share that opinion. There's many better producers and mcs than this fucking guy.

sorry bonehead hurt your feeling. i thought it was alot more lighthearted. i still think your talking out your ass and the ppl that share your opnion are as well and im sure you and like minded individuals that share your opinion think the same about me. we have a difference of opinion. its ok.

idk how bonehead was personal but either way im sorry.


also who are these better producers!?! and yeah i think 22 grammys def puts you in the legendary conversation, you dont get that many grammys as a rapper (yess i know the grammys are shit but 22 of them def speaks volumes my guy), weather you like it or not most of his catalog is considered hip hop classics. idk how old you are but since west's inception he's always been at the fore front. idk if its cause your a jedi minds tricks kinda guy but the rest of the world clearly agrees with me. look i dont think he's a better rapper then nas or jay or idk a plethora of dudes, but to act like he has 0 talent or is just all hype comes off as asinine. i dont like lil wayne, i think other ppl do his job alot better but i can clearly see his impact and his talent, i can see what brings to the table. you dont have to like kanye but your gonna look real foolish acting like he's just some regular  shmegular artist....

I was replying to bawtawd post!!

I don't think grammys are really representative of artistic quality in music. Something annoying also and never really brought up is the actual guys in the music studios behind celebrities like west. They're pretty much doing 80% of the job. Dude rolls in with a sample and actual very very good studio producers and arrangers do the job.

Anybody who knows a little bit about rap history knows that kanye isn't a very good rapper. Sucessful? definitely. But once you're a celebrity and have access to mass media you can pretty much sell any garbage. And get grammys.....Look where we are now with dudes like lil confetti and little yacht being labeled genius.
What do you do to actual musical genius like Coltrane or Mozart when you call dudes like that the same word?
It's fucking sad.

There's a scale when it come to talent and skills in the trade of music, it has nothing to do with being rich or famous.

All this to say that talking about skills, Koston was way more talented in skateboarding than west in rap.



 Producers that obliterate Kanye any day:


    Dj Premier
    J Dilla
    Large Professor
    Diamond D
    Ayatollah
    The Alchemist
    Pete Rock
    MF DOOM
    DRE
    Rza
    Q-Tip
    Lord Finesse
    Apollo Brown
    4th Disciple
    Prince Paul
    Dan The Automator
    J-zone
    Madlib
    Just Blaze
    Vinyl Reanimators
    JRawls
    9th Wonder
    Hi Tek
    Da Beatminerz
    Marley Marl
    Logic
    No I.D
    Statik Selektah
    Havoc
    Rick Rubin
    Erick Sermon
    Godfather Don
    Dj Babu
    Easy Mo Bee
    Dj Muggs
    De La
    Kankick
    The Neptunes
    Marco Polo
   
Probably forgetting a lot..
 
i missed that post, my fault.

also some of those dudes are def not better then west...rza!? GTFO thats someone whose coasted off hype and association. dj muggz!!!!! fuck no. NO I.D.......yes thats west mentor. i would never said kanye is a great rapper, like its obvi he aint lyrically the best or close. my thing is alot of these dudes arent still the type of artist ye is. i feel like your looking at it very black and white and its alot more then just a sound. i mean that nigga ye clearly has a vision alot more deeper then a good amount of the niggas you listed. alot of those dudes are rt two dimensional. amazing producers but lord finesse aint evolved or stepped out his box in never. its the whole package my guy.

i dont care if you like ye or think other niggas are better, i guess you saying "kanye talented? thats a reach" was out of pocket...

i agree 9th wonder,no id,just blaze, premier, and a few other on that list are "better" producers but i still think kanye AS A WHOLE ENTIRE ARTIST is very very talented.

Jesus Christ now you got me arguing both sides. Rzas run from 93 to at least 2001 was unparalleled, genius, game changing production. All the Wu albums and all the solo albums. Dude was on a tear and is still imitated.

You thought Kanye started the chipmunked soul sample trend? He studied Rza for that.

Rza the muthafuckin GOAT. Change your screen name and avi and go listen to Cuban Linx
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Re: Skaters and their Rapper equivalents by Jenkem
« Reply #94 on: June 13, 2018, 04:54:13 PM »
watch these rap niggas get all up in ya guts french vanilla, butter pecan, chocolate deluxe

premo is the goat though
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Re: Skaters and their Rapper equivalents by Jenkem
« Reply #95 on: June 13, 2018, 05:19:30 PM »
watch these rap niggas get all up in ya guts french vanilla, butter pecan, chocolate deluxe

premo is the goat though



Premo is an acceptable answer too

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Re: Skaters and their Rapper equivalents by Jenkem
« Reply #96 on: June 13, 2018, 05:32:31 PM »
Kirchart and Klein = MC Miker G and DJ Sven
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I'm screamin' Buddy Carr

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Re: Skaters and their Rapper equivalents by Jenkem
« Reply #97 on: June 13, 2018, 06:51:59 PM »
Bawtawd is lil wyte.

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Re: Skaters and their Rapper equivalents by Jenkem
« Reply #98 on: June 14, 2018, 05:10:04 AM »
Ishod is Steve Urkel

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Re: Skaters and their Rapper equivalents by Jenkem
« Reply #99 on: June 14, 2018, 06:29:32 AM »

Rza the muthafuckin GOAT. Change your screen name and avi and go listen to Cuban Linx


niggo go listen to bobby digital,

ok ok ok i mighta went harsh on the rza, hes def a legend in the game and i was talking wayy too spicy lol but idk he made ALOT of trash music too (digital bullet/bobby digital). as for my name and avi i made that shit back in the day when i used to bang wu harder then a white college dude, i still fux with them (they are legends/GOATS/da best/ whatever whatever) but idk the rza a coke head fool and you fucking know it. he got more talent in his pinky then my whole entire body but under that pinky nail is a bump of coke and that shit def be fucking up his music sometimes (eg. albums i listed above)


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nvm i take back what i said about RZA, im dumb and played myself. i still stand by my kanye comments but im a damn fool for downplaying the rza. sometimes i just say shit in the heat of the moment. except i was def still right about him being a cokehead
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Re: Skaters and their Rapper equivalents by Jenkem
« Reply #100 on: June 14, 2018, 06:34:33 AM »
rza a coke head fool and you fucking know it. he got more talent in his pinky then my whole entire body

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Re: Skaters and their Rapper equivalents by Jenkem
« Reply #101 on: June 14, 2018, 07:07:55 AM »
Back on topic: Van Wastell is probably closer to 2pac than Dylan. Both Pac and Van have an oddly high amount of content released after their deaths (there was Van footage in L.S.D wtf). Both also have a high fanbase of people who only know them as dead legends.

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Re: Skaters and their Rapper equivalents by Jenkem
« Reply #102 on: June 14, 2018, 07:53:32 AM »
It was written was better than illmatic.

Rza was a spaceman, wethead, that's why his style was crazy. Callin him a cokehead like that's a diss or somethin for producing music?

I don't get u guys.

I keep hearing better productions every year too.

So, basically fuck all of you.

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Re: Skaters and their Rapper equivalents by Jenkem
« Reply #103 on: June 14, 2018, 08:13:45 AM »
It was written was better than illmatic.

Rza was a spaceman, wethead, that's why his style was crazy. Callin him a cokehead like that's a diss or somethin for producing music?

I don't get u guys.

I keep hearing better productions every year too.

So, basically fuck all of you.

hahaha I ALREADY TOOK BACK WHAT I SAID ABOUT RZA! BUT me calling someone a cokehead is def diss i guess and the rza is def one. cokeheads are fucking annoying, idk what slaps stance on coke is but its corny to me and ill take all the hate for saying that. the RZA is amazing and what i said about his production was foolish and dumb, the dude is a genius. i was just trying to defend kanyes talent and i got carried away. 

you can be a genius and great at what you do and be a cokehead jerkoff at the same time (eg marvin gaye).

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Re: Skaters and their Rapper equivalents by Jenkem
« Reply #104 on: June 14, 2018, 08:18:09 AM »
slap's official stance is that we would do coke w/ fred gall

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Re: Skaters and their Rapper equivalents by Jenkem
« Reply #105 on: June 14, 2018, 08:20:39 AM »
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Re: Skaters and their Rapper equivalents by Jenkem
« Reply #106 on: June 14, 2018, 08:27:48 AM »
Oh shit I forgot about this

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Re: Skaters and their Rapper equivalents by Jenkem
« Reply #107 on: June 14, 2018, 05:58:30 PM »
I agree for doom altough it makes his sound unique. Kanye is talented but overrated and a gigantic douchebag.
He also never ever produce anything remotely as groundbreaking and unique as RZA 36chambers.

rza would never ever produce anything remotely as groundbreaking and unique as the college dropout

this is such a bad comparison, yeah 36 chambers has great production, it's a groundbreaking album and shit, but it's an album from 1993 and hip-hop was way different then than it was in fucking 2004 and later. also, all in all kanye's a better producer than rza, even though rza is good too (btw one of his best beats (dark fantasy) went to kanye).

 
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Who are these people


i think that's the point

Mac is legit and don’t deserve hate , dude pulled jay electronica out of hiding , and he fucked Ariana grande.

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Re: Skaters and their Rapper equivalents by Jenkem
« Reply #108 on: June 14, 2018, 06:51:31 PM »

Rza the muthafuckin GOAT. Change your screen name and avi and go listen to Cuban Linx


niggo go listen to bobby digital,

ok ok ok i mighta went harsh on the rza, hes def a legend in the game and i was talking wayy too spicy lol but idk he made ALOT of trash music too (digital bullet/bobby digital). as for my name and avi i made that shit back in the day when i used to bang wu harder then a white college dude, i still fux with them (they are legends/GOATS/da best/ whatever whatever) but idk the rza a coke head fool and you fucking know it. he got more talent in his pinky then my whole entire body but under that pinky nail is a bump of coke and that shit def be fucking up his music sometimes (eg. albums i listed above)


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nvm i take back what i said about RZA, im dumb and played myself. i still stand by my kanye comments but im a damn fool for downplaying the rza. sometimes i just say shit in the heat of the moment. except i was def still right about him being a cokehead

Lol. Now if you had gone at his flow and delivery you would’ve got no argument from me. But Rza beats are legendary and the Wu was basically his vision.