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Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
« Reply #60 on: June 13, 2018, 06:48:37 PM »
I mean just look at the addicts on slap, you wanna be like us? Dear god I hope not.

Heres a deeper look into the wonderful world of fentanyl. Almost every toxicity report from a o.d. has some obscure analogs the person never knew they were taking.

https://old.reddit.com/r/fentanyl/

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Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
« Reply #61 on: June 13, 2018, 11:05:26 PM »
I was a painkiller addict for about 5 years strong, thankfully with help i'm on the other side. An opiate addict needs love, understanding, and bottom lines from loved ones. Much love and hope for all the pals struggling with the beast that is pharmaceuticals/street drugs. It's never too late to ask for help, reach out to the ones that mean the most.

Reading this thread has me crying due to my situation and having lost loved ones to opiates.

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Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
« Reply #62 on: June 13, 2018, 11:40:55 PM »
If we're having this conversation, we can't forget about the industry brushing the cause of Van Wastell's suicide under the rug, claiming he was blackout drunk when he really fiending for his heroin stash his teammates took from him in an effort to force him to go cold turkey. The whole "only talking about whats rad about skateboarding" instead of addressing issues that need to be dealt with only feeds into the circlejerk of the skateboarding culture and makes us all look like fucking jocks. Skateboarding is the sickest when you can actually help your friends who do it instead of avoiding an "awkward conversation."

I just recently learned this and it blows my mind still especially him being on a dlx brand which hops any on basically and cause if they know someone going through it seems odd they didn’t tell the truth on that one . Probably could’ve saved a few lives but no we got he was drunk and fell out a hotel window. Which btw sounds incredibly hard to do even drunk idk about Euro hotels but having a parent in the hotel industry and spending mad time in hotels across the us , those things take effort to get out of. Not just something you’d “fall” out of .

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Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
« Reply #63 on: June 14, 2018, 05:10:40 AM »
If it's an older building it probably has windows on hinges that open all the way, so it wouldn't be that hard to fall out of one...
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Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
« Reply #64 on: June 14, 2018, 12:26:19 PM »
Throwaway account via VPN.  Because the SJW fuckers will not like this.

Heroin.

We recently lost a brother this week. He had a wife and family. So fucked up. We had no fucking idea he was shooting up.  Some of us did, and they didn't address the fact.

Listen, it's been a long ride.  When you rule at everything and your body hurts from skateboarding, dont fuck it up inside.  Hard drugs and the needle is a joke.  Dont ever for a minute let anyone ... ANYONE  tell you it's cool.  You are looking for the next rush and this rush is a dead end.

Stop it.  Talk about it.  The skateboard community turns a blind eye to this and it needs to stop.
sjw's?    This aint the place fuckhead.

Even if your "friend" is real  i still dont give a fuck just by the firts fucking sentence.
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Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
« Reply #65 on: June 14, 2018, 01:12:06 PM »
The irony of the whole “sjw” thing is that his post was an sjw post. “Lets try to solve this uncomfortable social problem nobody wants to address” is pretty much the definition of the types of issues people who are identified as SJW’s care about. Whatever though, lots of dumbasses are brainwashed these days
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Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
« Reply #66 on: June 14, 2018, 01:26:37 PM »
I hold pharmaceuticals for my friend and when he wants to come get a few more I always ask him how he’s doing with withdrawal symptoms/tapering, addiction issues in general... am I enabling?

I don’t think its my job to tell him to stop, he knows opiates are a slippery slope, hell we've had two friends die. I guess what i’m Getting at is sometimes it hard to know when to intervene

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Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
« Reply #67 on: June 14, 2018, 02:21:59 PM »
I hold pharmaceuticals for my friend and when he wants to come get a few more I always ask him how he’s doing with withdrawal symptoms/tapering, addiction issues in general... am I enabling?

I don’t think its my job to tell him to stop, he knows opiates are a slippery slope, hell we've had two friends die. I guess what i’m Getting at is sometimes it hard to know when to intervene

I guess the question is how often is he coming by? Tapering works to some degree and can get a person ready but at some point, wd's are a fact of life. I tapered for about 4 months but wound up going cold turkey after that. It was a rough 7 days and days 2, 3 and 4 were the gnarliest. If they have resources, they may want to go to actual rehab, even if it's just out-patient. The hard part will probably be dealing with the post acute withdrawal symptoms. Long term crappy sleep, fatigue and mud butt basically. Professional help may make that easier to deal with. At least that's my story.
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Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
« Reply #68 on: June 14, 2018, 02:22:31 PM »
I was think about Anthony Bourdain who had to struggle day-in and day-out getting paid a lot of money to travel around the world and eat.  It’s kind of a miracle he held out for as long as he did.

It’s the kind of struggle you really can’t appreciate until you’ve lived through it, I’m told.

there is no black and white answer unfortunately and at the end of the day it comes down to the person-- they have to want to stop or else they aren't going to.  its painful for everybody

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Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
« Reply #69 on: July 24, 2018, 05:49:38 PM »
How can I actually help someone close to me who is struggling with opiates? Rehab, giving them money, a place to stay, a job has failed and/or all backfired.

I'm sure there's tons of info on the web, but I'm interested in SLAP's thoughts and experiences.

There is no one long term solution, they need to hit rock bottom and want it for themselves.  But, in the short term have him/her carry around an EpiPen or two and make sure when using his friends also know how to use it.

A friend of mine overdosed and was kicked out of the apartment by his "friends" to lay there to die in the stairwell instead of calling for help or being able/willing to help.

Check the laws in your state as many have laws where you will not get into trouble if you are trying to help in the case of an overdose most people freak out and do nothing.

If they can afford inpatient care/rehab and they consent then that is probably the best bet and first step to recovery.

Ultimately, they need to deal with the source of the underlying pain they are trying to numb.
I have been resuscitated twice in a vain and cowardly attempt at a drug assisted suicide, I've failed both times as I was awoken by Narcan in Denver and in NYC both places I fucked up and it's been my main objective to be an opinionated life couch and inspiration for getting well and sober. Because if there was a drug that I could try I tried it except Krokodil and bath salts both of which are dumb as shit in the first place.

I also back this dudes advice check local laws as you could be charged if you are a suspect in or involved yourself in a overdose, first things first when someone is turning bluish grey, prop them up do CPR if that doesn't work roll to the side and fill rig with Narcan and jam it in the muscle in their thigh or butt yeah it'll put them in being instant dopesickness but it's better to be alive. Clean up any paraphernalia and anything that is incriminating as they will search the room if foul play or they think there's more.   

I had an exgf whom I hadn't seen in sometime in the bay area, we were at a show in the mission 16th record shop anyways I said hey let's get down later met up fooled around and I passed out. Next morning I put my hand on her neck to play like oh it's nice ya stuck around instead of bailing. As I put my hand on her it was freezing cold I jumped up in a panic like oh shit! looked over on her side dope cooker and half a rig still full instantly super bummed but cleaned up area and called coroners people I stuck around as I had to carry her out lets just say rigor-mortise is a bitch to carry a heavier woman out of.
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Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
« Reply #70 on: July 24, 2018, 05:55:28 PM »
How can I actually help someone close to me who is struggling with opiates? Rehab, giving them money, a place to stay, a job has failed and/or all backfired.

I'm sure there's tons of info on the web, but I'm interested in SLAP's thoughts and experiences.

There is no one long term solution, they need to hit rock bottom and want it for themselves.  But, in the short term have him/her carry around an EpiPen or two and make sure when using his friends also know how to use it.

A friend of mine overdosed and was kicked out of the apartment by his "friends" to lay there to die in the stairwell instead of calling for help or being able/willing to help.

Check the laws in your state as many have laws where you will not get into trouble if you are trying to help in the case of an overdose most people freak out and do nothing.

If they can afford inpatient care/rehab and they consent then that is probably the best bet and first step to recovery.

Ultimately, they need to deal with the source of the underlying pain they are trying to numb.
I have been resuscitated twice in a vain and cowardly attempt at a drug assisted suicide, I've failed both times as I was awoken by Narcan in Denver and in NYC both places I fucked up and it's been my main objective to be an opinionated life couch and inspiration for getting well and sober. Because if there was a drug that I could try I tried it except Krokodil and bath salts both of which are dumb as shit in the first place.

I also back this dudes advice check local laws as you could be charged if you are a suspect in or involved yourself in a overdose, first things first when someone is turning bluish grey, prop them up do CPR if that doesn't work roll to the side and fill rig with Narcan and jam it in the muscle in their thigh or butt yeah it'll put them in being instant dopesickness but it's better to be alive. Clean up any paraphernalia and anything that is incriminating as they will search the room if foul play or they think there's more.   

I had an exgf whom I hadn't seen in sometime in the bay area, we were at a show in the mission 16th record shop anyways I said hey let's get down later met up fooled around and I passed out. Next morning I put my hand on her neck to play like oh it's nice ya stuck around instead of bailing. As I put my hand on her it was freezing cold I jumped up in a panic like oh shit! looked over on her side dope cooker and half a rig still full instantly super bummed but cleaned up area and called coroners people I stuck around as I had to carry her out lets just say rigor-mortise is a bitch to carry a heavier woman out of.

Drugs sound so cool man

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Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
« Reply #71 on: July 24, 2018, 06:00:20 PM »
Some gay pop culture shit but Demi Lovato just overdosed off heroin.

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Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
« Reply #72 on: July 24, 2018, 06:16:17 PM »
Some gay pop culture shit but Demi Lovato just overdosed off heroin.

Coke and alcohol were her go to.

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Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
« Reply #73 on: July 24, 2018, 06:39:05 PM »
I love herion and pain pills. Theyre fun

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Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
« Reply #74 on: July 24, 2018, 11:03:59 PM »
I didn't read a lot of this thread because I typically don't like how drug threads go on here, but as to the point about getting addicted so you can "bravely kick" - I really doubt that's a popular line of thinking. I think it's probably that so many people (including myself) think "well it's not going to happen to me" and then it does.

As for defending heroin, or drugs in general, I just wanna say that they prevented me from killing myself for a number of years. It was a tool for me to numb my mind and quiet my painful feelings. After a while, they didn't help anymore. The drugs work until they don't.

And I'm a little hippie woo woo, but I don't think heroin or alcohol on their own have an evil to it, an intention, a vibe, or whatever to them.

I wouldn't even try to aquire an elephant that would be mad selfish I don't have the means to give him a comfortable life