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Re: Jenkem article about head injuries and CTE in skateboarding
« Reply #60 on: August 29, 2018, 04:49:03 PM »
Ive been thinking about this quite a bit lately.  About two months back I was at a local park and watched a skilled skateboarder hit his head really badly 50-50ing a foot-high flat bar.  His board slipped out under him, both of his feet went behind the bar so that His ankleswere locked into the top of the bar and slingshotted him headfirst into the concrete.  Out cold, blood everywhere, came to making horrible morning sounds, eventually getting a ride to the hospital.

Again, this dude was a good skateboarder, who wasn’t doing “stupid shit” he wasn’t “prepared for,” he just got a little to comfy and a perfectly shitty sequence of events had him getting a substantial head injury.  I’ve never seen someone that good get hurt that badly on something that small, and it definitely opened my eyes a bit

There’s no logical reason not to wear a helmet on a board.
  It’s a culture thing, and a lot of outsiders would probably see it as a cultural problem endemic to skateboarding.  I’m not saying everyone should/has to wear a helmet, but I do think it’s a conversation worth having, especially once some of our childhood idols start going out like pro wrestlers and football players.

okay, I'll have this conversation. there's even less of a "logical" reason not to wear a helmet every time you ride in a car, something that causes way more head injuries and death than all the hangups on 3-foot quarterpipes and 20-stair handrails in the world combined. Ask yourself and every other "responsible", "well-intentioned" person why they don't wear a helmet in their car, why they don't make their kids wear helmets in the car, and why they don't pester their neighbours about wearing helmets while driving, then come back and tell me what you find out. Otherwise, I just consider it an insulting, naive imposition, to insinuate that my behaviour is somehow illogical or irresponsible, that my decisions are more superficial than someone else's, just because theirs are in line with mainstream practices.
Sorry Hypnotoad, this is a pet peeve of mine and I'm not trying to blast you specifically, i've just heard way too much crap about it being a "cultural thing" or "cool", as though these weren't factors in everything we do.
In all seriousness, the reasons people don't wear helmets driving are basically the same as in skateboarding, it's some combination of personal freedom, risk vs. convenience, and coolness does factor into it heavily. The main differences are that driving is way more dangerous and there's a huge financial incentive for car companies not to do anything that takes away from the "coolness" of the automobile and its association with personal freedom.

Anyone who wants to wear a helmet should do so whenever and wherever they like and I would never put anybody down for it. But people trying to argue that it is "logical" need to take a look at themselves and then fuck off.

This is a false comparison, and not very ‘logical’, because of the sheer number of people riding cars and spending time in them is astronomically higher than the number of people who skate.

Think of the number of people who drive, and the amount of time they spend behind the wheel. It’s not even comparable. If the numbers were equal, I suspect you’d see a WAY higher head injury ratio in skateboarding.

Personally over my life I’ve spend probably 100x more time behind the wheel than on a skateboard, both well over 20 years, but I’ve never had any of the injuries, much less head bumps, that I’ve had in skating 
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Re: Jenkem article about head injuries and CTE in skateboarding
« Reply #61 on: August 29, 2018, 06:31:08 PM »
The older you get, especially with loved ones who rely on you, the less you care about being judged and the more you care about your own self and safety.
Yeah, this.
pretty much. I skate with my 3 yo all the time and I make him wear a helmet so I figure I should lead by example too no?
It's not like I'm impressing anyone with my skating skills at this age anyway, more just out there to have some fun and roll with him

Me too, I skate with my son all the time and Iím not setting the world on fire anymore. Shook my whole familyís world when I slipped out by missing locking in  a frontside grind and landing on the back of my head.
TBI and 4 days in a trauma unit, luckily the only lasting issue is no longer being able to smell, is no joke. Slipped out while warming up doing a trick that Iíve done literally thousands of times. At my age Iíll just wear the helmet. I donít preach to kids but Iíll tell them what happened if they ask about me wearing a helmet.

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Re: Jenkem article about head injuries and CTE in skateboarding
« Reply #62 on: August 29, 2018, 06:36:45 PM »
I don't wear a helmet because it's not wavy, but I'm not going to sit here and act like not wearing one is safer. You might as well be justifying cigarettes.
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« Reply #63 on: August 29, 2018, 07:40:52 PM »
I'm sure no one here gives helmet-less street skating a second thought, but does anyone else feel weird when you see people skating big, concrete transition totally padless? Unless they're super good at falling and stuff, dudes like Pedro Barros, Ben Raybourn, Willy Lara etc. must take ridiculous hits
Even though it's not transition, and I love the guy,  this to me is one of the worst slams I always remember. Ugh.

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« Reply #64 on: August 29, 2018, 07:54:21 PM »
It's weird because i never wear one skateboarding, but snowboarding i wear it pretty often unless its street or DIY shit.
The difference for me is being able to kick your board away and learning how to bail properly, where snowboarding you have your feet locked into your board.
I was doing cab 2 frontboard and i caught my heel edge on the rail and flew backwards and smashed my head on the hard ass snow. Wouldn't catch me trying that on a skateboard tho lol

basically skateboarding has this art of bailing properly which makes helmets almost pointless unless you're sending it.

I never even feel weird putting on a helmet to go snowboarding... I know I'm gonna usually try and hit some off course, back country shit so to speak, come close to trees, cutting my own lines, so it makes sense to wear one.

But I will forever feel awkward putting one on to skate anything.To hit your head in skating is kinda pretty tough to do,  even if you're not a pro at falling.

Snowboarding is usually so much faster and even though I have never done it before,  not even learning at first, have I ever caught an edge and got tossed, but I do expect to go damn near head over heels at some point every time I go. Not ever in skating.


When I was 14 I would secretly wear my soccer ankle guards skating on days after my ankles took a thrashing.  LMAO, Low key, I've always secretly wondered if anybody else ever did this, but would never,  never ask. Hahaha
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Re: Jenkem article about head injuries and CTE in skateboarding
« Reply #65 on: August 29, 2018, 08:16:26 PM »

This is a false comparison, and not very Ďlogicalí, because of the sheer number of people riding cars and spending time in them is astronomically higher than the number of people who skate.

Think of the number of people who drive, and the amount of time they spend behind the wheel. Itís not even comparable. If the numbers were equal, I suspect youíd see a WAY higher head injury ratio in skateboarding.

Personally over my life Iíve spend probably 100x more time behind the wheel than on a skateboard, both well over 20 years, but Iíve never had any of the injuries, much less head bumps, that Iíve had in skating

Do you seriously believe driving is safer than skateboarding?
If you live in the states, your chances of dying in a car accident are slightly over 1 in ten thousand.
You think 1 in 10 000 skateboarders die as a result of an injurybsuatained during skateboarding? And yes, i'm talking about comparable times apent behind the wheel vs. Time spent on 4 wheels.
And that's not even getting into the numbers of non-fatal hrad injuries due to car accidents. The numbers aren't even close.
Furthermore, unless you drive for a living, or have a serious commute, the average skateboarder spends more time skating than mist oeiple spend driving.
My argument is based on the premise that driving is more dangerous than skating, and the stats support that idea.

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Re: Jenkem article about head injuries and CTE in skateboarding
« Reply #66 on: August 29, 2018, 09:31:52 PM »
Either way, helmet or no, can we please agree to call it a helmet and not a brain bucket, skid lid, etc...I'd rather have CTE than have to hear people try to make a helmet sound cool by using nerd slang, thank you!

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Re: Jenkem article about head injuries and CTE in skateboarding
« Reply #67 on: August 29, 2018, 10:21:40 PM »

This is a false comparison, and not very ‘logical’, because of the sheer number of people riding cars and spending time in them is astronomically higher than the number of people who skate.

Think of the number of people who drive, and the amount of time they spend behind the wheel. It’s not even comparable. If the numbers were equal, I suspect you’d see a WAY higher head injury ratio in skateboarding.

Personally over my life I’ve spend probably 100x more time behind the wheel than on a skateboard, both well over 20 years, but I’ve never had any of the injuries, much less head bumps, that I’ve had in skating

Do you seriously believe driving is safer than skateboarding?
If you live in the states, your chances of dying in a car accident are slightly over 1 in ten thousand.
You think 1 in 10 000 skateboarders die as a result of an injurybsuatained during skateboarding? And yes, i'm talking about comparable times apent behind the wheel vs. Time spent on 4 wheels.
And that's not even getting into the numbers of non-fatal hrad injuries due to car accidents. The numbers aren't even close.
Furthermore, unless you drive for a living, or have a serious commute, the average skateboarder spends more time skating than mist oeiple spend driving.
My argument is based on the premise that driving is more dangerous than skating, and the stats support that idea.

Do I believe driving is safer? Absolutely.
 
Because of the speed and power of driving, when something goes wrong it goes REALLY wrong, which accounts for a high fatality rate.

But even so, do I believe that 1 in 10,000 skaters die from skating? I definitely could. I don’t see anything particularly extreme in that number. But I’d be happy to see some stats, if you have any to back up your assertion.

But are we measuring how dangerous something is by fatality? Twisted ankles? Neither of those are particularly fair comparisons, due to the nature of the activities.  We can, but those are different threads.

This thread is about brain trauma, and you brought up the driving thing, saying that skaters are not as likely to receive head injuries as vehicle passengers.

So let’s stick with that.

And we could do an informal poll here on SLAP, and I guarantee you there will be more head injuries here due to skating than driving.

By the way, you claim ‘stats support my idea’, but you only give vehicle stats, only for fatalities. Not for head injuries, and no data on time spent in a car. And most importantly, none for skating. Where are those?

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Re: Jenkem article about head injuries and CTE in skateboarding
« Reply #68 on: August 30, 2018, 01:19:34 AM »
i love it when there is a thread about some genuinely interesting topic that is relevant to every single one of us and yet  people still manage to make it about themselves and their boring ass dicsuccion about whether skating or driving a car is more risky? oh well rip chris benoit
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Re: Jenkem article about head injuries and CTE in skateboarding
« Reply #69 on: August 30, 2018, 02:55:19 AM »
Been skating for 18 years, all of them low-impact and I am still having the time of my life. When the time comes to skate transition exclusively, I will don a helmet. Knock on wood, I have never even been close to hitting my head, as I always take things slowly (freak accidents aside).

Stevie built an amazing career (and legacy) for himself not hucking once, so it really is up to every skater with PRO ambitions to consider if the risks are worth the reward. I cannot relate to star/rail hucker parts anyways, so they can go the way of the dodo IMO.

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« Reply #70 on: August 30, 2018, 03:36:10 AM »
rip chris benoit
Life gave him one too many benoit chops, so he had to crippler crossface his family, then himself.

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Re: Jenkem article about head injuries and CTE in skateboarding
« Reply #71 on: August 30, 2018, 05:56:28 AM »
I was gonna post the gif of that kid doing a pop-shuv at Pulaski, in a helmet, and leave it at that but then I actually read the article and while I wouldn't necessarily want to see a ton of helmet heavy footage, the discussion concerning CTE is definitely something that, as per this article, hopefully continues and gets explored more.
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Re: Jenkem article about head injuries and CTE in skateboarding
« Reply #72 on: August 30, 2018, 08:31:43 AM »
All this talk about hitting your head jinxed me. I haven't hit my head in probably 6 months, and have never hit it significantly. This morning I went for fakie front board (half cab board to fakie), a go-to warm up trick of mine, on a small flatbar. Missed the board, blinked right as I missed so I couldn't spot my landing well, and went straight to my left knee and cheek bone/temple.

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« Reply #73 on: August 30, 2018, 08:42:31 AM »
rip chris benoit
Life gave him one too many benoit chops, so he had to crippler crossface his family, then himself.
I'd wager it was the flying headbutt that did him in.


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Re: Jenkem article about head injuries and CTE in skateboarding
« Reply #74 on: August 30, 2018, 09:26:11 AM »
More interesting question: Do yall niggas think OJ Simpson has that shit?

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« Reply #75 on: August 30, 2018, 09:52:20 AM »
More interesting question: Do yall niggas think OJ Simpson has that shit?

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« Reply #76 on: August 30, 2018, 10:06:08 AM »
More interesting question: Do yall niggas think OJ Simpson has that shit?

I think that murder was totally a psychotic CTE breakdown that he himself didnt know he was having till he was doing the murders

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Re: Jenkem article about head injuries and CTE in skateboarding
« Reply #77 on: August 30, 2018, 12:57:36 PM »

By the way, you claim Ďstats support my ideaí, but you only give vehicle stats, only for fatalities. Not for head injuries, and no data on time spent in a car. And most importantly, none for skating. Where are those?

I'll try to make this quick then stop polluting the thread.
I've met with people from various brain injury societies (organizations pushing for skateboard helmet laws), and they have told me that they don't have statistics concerning head injuries or fatalities in skateboarding. I believe them, and I believe you too when you say you don't have them, which is why I said that stats support my idea that driving is more dangerous. I can show you convincing numbers that tell you how dangerous driving is, whereas arguments made about the dangers of skateboarding are anecdotal, or "common sense". We can sit here all day and talk about where we were the day Phil Shao died, or seeing Muska knock himself out on the cyclops rail at Slam city Jam in '99, but personally, I like it when I turn the key and the car starts- in other words, science isn't the same as opinion. Again, I would never tell someone they shouldn't wear a helmet, nor do I think it's wrong.
What I'm trying to point out is that conversations about head injuries in skating, (protective gear, etc.) should be informed by analysis rather than just emotional value judgements, because eventually these conversations turn into public policy.

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Re: Jenkem article about head injuries and CTE in skateboarding
« Reply #78 on: August 30, 2018, 02:39:47 PM »
tossing my 2 cents in here:

I've been wearing my helmet for all skating ever since my son was born. Part for the wife, part for him, part so when he later (potentially) started skating, since he'd have to wear one, I didn't want to get called out as a hypocrite.

It feels awkward and "nerdy" for a bit, but that passes. And if anybody actually tries to make fun then they are most likely a colossal kook, so fuck 'em.

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Re: Jenkem article about head injuries and CTE in skateboarding
« Reply #79 on: August 30, 2018, 02:58:52 PM »
sup mikev



helmets are smart, skateboarders are dumb

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Re: Jenkem article about head injuries and CTE in skateboarding
« Reply #80 on: August 30, 2018, 05:20:53 PM »
I might be getting a bit off topic, but has anyone else here dealt with concussions? Iíve been dealing with post concussion syndrome over the past year as a result of three mTBIs, and itís been absolutely miserable.
Dude, a ďyear?Ē Iíve been dealing with PCS for two months. This shit fucking sucks. Fatigue, cognitive issues, irritability, sensitivity to sound and light, headaches... Fuck this shit. Stopped skating for a month and rested all the time. Symptoms got way better. Skated once, tried to do a back 3 and got dizzy. Went right back to headaches and all that other shit all over again. Back to square one. Fuck
Yeah you need to ease back into exercise, if you overexert yourself right out the gate youíre likely to have a relapse of symptoms. Sorry to hear about your injury, id recommend eating clean, staying sober, and doing things like meditation and light exercise to minimize stress. Best of luck with your recovery.

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Re: Jenkem article about head injuries and CTE in skateboarding
« Reply #81 on: August 30, 2018, 05:24:41 PM »
Although they certainly can help mitigate the damage from hitting your head, helmets canít prevent all concussions. Both of the mTBIs Iíve sustained skating were the result of whiplash.

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Re: Jenkem article about head injuries and CTE in skateboarding
« Reply #82 on: August 30, 2018, 05:47:13 PM »
Although they certainly can help mitigate the damage from hitting your head, helmets canít prevent all concussions. Both of the mTBIs Iíve sustained skating were the result of whiplash.
acting like a maniac will give you whiplash.

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« Reply #83 on: August 30, 2018, 05:49:18 PM »
I list almost 2 years of my memory from a car wreck at 19 yrs of age. I've been skating 30+ years, a large part in crusty east coast ramps that pitched you 6-8 ft straight to flat when you'd get the mail holding the coping on. I just shaved my head last week for the first time in decades. My wife just said of my, the back of your head is.... scars everywhere. She has been telling me I have cte, mostly just because I repeat myself VERY often, and argue I've never said things before. Only thing I noticed is I can't remember numerical sequences, and have trouble with mathmatics, which I was strong in my youth. Time is also very blurry. 
What I'm trying to say is now Jenkem and Slap are both taking about this possibility, maybe it's time for me to not be so argumentative about it. But I believe you must die before they can biopsy your brain to see if CTE is the issue.

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« Reply #84 on: August 30, 2018, 07:20:37 PM »
It's weird because i never wear one skateboarding, but snowboarding i wear it pretty often unless its street or DIY shit.
The difference for me is being able to kick your board away and learning how to bail properly, where snowboarding you have your feet locked into your board.
I was doing cab 2 frontboard and i caught my heel edge on the rail and flew backwards and smashed my head on the hard ass snow. Wouldn't catch me trying that on a skateboard tho lol

basically skateboarding has this art of bailing properly which makes helmets almost pointless unless you're sending it.

I never even feel weird putting on a helmet to go snowboarding... I know I'm gonna usually try and hit some off course, back country shit so to speak, come close to trees, cutting my own lines, so it makes sense to wear one.

But I will forever feel awkward putting one on to skate anything.To hit your head in skating is kinda pretty tough to do,  even if you're not a pro at falling.

Snowboarding is usually so much faster and even though I have never done it before,  not even learning at first, have I ever caught an edge and got tossed, but I do expect to go damn near head over heels at some point every time I go. Not ever in skating.


When I was 14 I would secretly wear my soccer ankle guards skating on days after my ankles took a thrashing.  LMAO, Low key, I've always secretly wondered if anybody else ever did this, but would never,  never ask. Hahaha

Yeah I have done that and knocked myself out before snowboarding and I was wearing a helmet, I've also knocked myself out playing hockey, another sport that needs a helmet, I've never knocked myself out skateboarding though
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