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See this is the thing that gets me about all this 90s nostalgia bullshit that's ongoing. The 90s fucking sucked and skateboarders were in general homophobic pieces of shit who for the most part acted like low-brow jocks with a Napoleon complex. At least where I was from, you were a fucking kook for thinking homosexuality was okay. I remain to this day one happy kook cause I'll never get the hate and think on a personal level that if you don't like
homosexuality it probably means that you're in the closet. Or it just means you are a piece of shit.
Homophobes think gay people are “pieces of shit” , you think homophobes are pieces of shit. Now that you are both on the same level, what are you going to do? Like I’m not bashing you, I’m asking what comes next for you? It just sounds like it continues this nasty cycle. Growing up I would say “gay” like something was lame. To be honest I don’t think me or my friends understood what we were really doing/saying. I hate that I used those words but I did, now I’ve learned, but is it this thing that I should just be condemned a huge piece of shit forever?
Your argument here is built on faulty logic.
First, you state homophobes hate people for being gay and if you hate the homophobes you are equal to them. This doesn't make sense. If our homophobe moves past simple bias and engages in homophobic discrimination his behavior is pretty fucked up. When engaging in discrimination, our homophobe attempts to control who is allowed to make out with who. This is not exercising personal freedom, but an attempt to dominate others. Deciding who
you want to make out with is very different than telling a couple of dudes, "Yea, I know you two want to make out, but I don't like the idea of that, so I've decided you cannot make out."
Yes, in society we have come up with rules that reduce people's freedoms, otherwise everything would fall apart. I'm sure some people are upset that they don't have the "freedom" to steal from other people or that they don't have the "freedom" to run red lights, but if they had this freedom our society would suck. Telling people don't run red lights, don't steal, don't punish people for engaging in consensual relationships, is not the same as attempting to control the super personal choice of who someone decides to fuck.
Second, let's just extend your logic and use it in other situations, and you can tell me if it holds up. The KKK hates Catholics, Blacks, Mexicans, immigrants, and so on. If you hate the KKK you are equal to them. Does that add up for you? The Nazis killed people. The USA, UK, and USSR killed Nazis. They are just as bad. How about that one?
Third, your attempt to equate calling one of your friends gay when you were 14 and XYZ telling Ellis, "Fuck off. We don't want your kind here" is a stretch. The two incidents are not equal.
Finally, you make it sound like all posters on SLAP are unable to ever consider that someone has changed and one is always the person he was 10-15 years ago. (This logic came up a lot in the JJ thread as well.) Of course people can change. People's beliefs and practices can change dramatically. The question is at what point do we know someone has changed? Shit, I think this thread is a testament to that as Colin appears to have grown up a bit and he is getting credit for it.