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Re: books to read
« Reply #900 on: March 29, 2011, 12:21:13 PM »
my girl just gave me this to read, she was really into it.

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« Reply #901 on: March 29, 2011, 12:48:44 PM »
Just finished this:



And got nothing out of it. See how it's a picture of an epic battle, with the whalers facing the violent, bestial entity that is Moby Dick?
Prepare for 500 pages of not that.

And this:



Had previously been skeptical of Chabon's work, and felt it was likely too Oprah for me, but I'm into checking out some of his other stuff after reading this.

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« Reply #902 on: March 29, 2011, 01:22:28 PM »
if you're looking for something amazing that will be a quick two day read, go pick up the absolutely true diary of a part time indian. it's great.


i'm interested in reading this. Alexie is one of the great recent poets.
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I know you'll probably catch flak for not finishing On The Road, but I'll give you my support. I couldn't finish Dharma Bums. I'm not to into Western Buddhists, so it really wasn't my thing. ? ? ? ?
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It really just bored the shit out of me. Seems like he was trying to convince himself that his story was worth telling. Maybe it was just his "spontaneous" style of writing. Like one long facebook post for lack of a better description.
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I understand that the Beat era writers did a lot for defying traditional American values and battling censorship, but I think a lot of the books are pretty overrated.
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the beats are interesting. so many come up thinking that their works, especially in poetics, are liberating through defying or redefining ideas of form and i suppose cultural acceptance. kerouac and ginsberg attended columbia. Olson attended Wesleyan. ? they emulated the form and ideas of the modernist era as exemplified by EzPound, Eliot, and really as she is being studied more, Mina Loy. Modernists were concerned with with redefining the world through eyes that had been subjected to the flash of WWI and the psychological upheaval presented by Freud and Nietzsche. Bring into the scope educated Harlem writers like Hughes with the Bukka White blues train back beat or McKay with Jamaican patois developing poetry in response to the lynchings, popular Jazz, blues recordings, shit, Birth of a Nation was the most popular film in the US until 1930 or so, and you've got something that has never before been attempted in the literary world- call it cohesion through reconstruction of the world. Shelley said "poets are the unacknowledged legislators of the world."

so following this modernity the Beats were just a natural response to the modernist era- look at the world, the US in particular during the early post modern era as a recent creation built of rubble. 25 monarchies had been overthrown during WWI, there's no way stability can come about, anywhere, in 40 year time frame. So of course the ideas of "Western Buddhism" are attractive- with the world a disastrous place, living through nothingness is the grand scheme. ? Nothingness, however, cannot be achieved without the right knowledge- understanding the rudiments of form, literature, history, and culture.

So to say that many of their books are overrated, you're probably right but should try to wrap around the idea that Beat works aren't weren't written for everybody. The idea of a rating of a piece of work comes about when a writer isn't trying to gain a particular audience and it is read as though it should be something... It's like attempting to define "nothingness."

Anyhow, if you're interested, Charles Olson wrote poetry and coined the term "Beats." there are some interesting collections of letters too.

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Sounds interesting, will definitely check out Charles Olson. ?

The first time I read On the Road, I had to force myself to complete it because I felt it had no real plot arc. ? I read it again later, this time within the period of a week, and found it a much better experience. ? Almost as if the excitement in the book lay not so much in the words written but in the process of writing and, in a sense, 'living' it. ?

I really liked Ginsberg's 'Howl', and think it is an important landmark in American literature. ? For anyone that feels a little bored with On the Road, check this out first:
http://www.wussu.com/poems/agh.htm


And not to merge this with the photo thread, but I feel like the best things to come out of the Beat movement was Robert Frank's photobook 'The Americans':


If you have any interest at all in art photography, check it out. ? Robert Frank singlehandedly changed the course of the medium forever with this book.



currently reading:


not as great as I thought it would be




The lack of a "plot arc" in OTR might be what makes it such an attractive read for many, it's wanderlust in print.

Howl is a milestone- a post modern answer to THE WASTELAND. Aside from that, it's a fun read.

want to add--- i've read the Grad School thread- if anyone is really interested in Beat philosophy, writing, art and possibly looking to pursue an MFA in writing, The Jack Kerouac School of Disembodied Poets at Naropa University in Boulder, is the place to do it.  Naropa was founded by Tibetan Buddhist guru Chogyam Trungpa and the school of poetics Ginsberg, Cage, and Waldman, and di Prima. A very close friend of mine is working on his MFA in poetics- i'm very excited to head out there, soon. check it out!
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Re: books to read
« Reply #903 on: March 29, 2011, 01:29:03 PM »
Picked this up the other day



Looking forward to getting to it once I have time, really fell in love with Fitzgerald after I finally read Gatsby.

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« Reply #904 on: March 29, 2011, 02:39:06 PM »
Picked this up the other day



Looking forward to getting to it once I have time, really fell in love with Fitzgerald after I finally read Gatsby.
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I just finished reading this

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Re: books to read
« Reply #905 on: March 29, 2011, 02:47:55 PM »
Post Office and Factotum are two of my favourite books. If you liked Ham On Rye then you'll love them too.

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« Reply #906 on: March 29, 2011, 03:25:58 PM »
Post Office and Factotum are two of my favourite books. If you liked Ham On Rye then you'll love them too.
Thanks dude, I actually just bought Factotum online, should be buying Post Office after I finish that one.

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« Reply #907 on: March 29, 2011, 05:04:12 PM »
Don't forget to read Women!

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« Reply #908 on: March 31, 2011, 05:07:41 PM »
my girl just gave me this to read, she was really into it.


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« Reply #909 on: April 09, 2011, 10:38:27 AM »
Started this yesterday.
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« Reply #910 on: April 10, 2011, 07:16:46 PM »
Just finished this:



Nice intro to DFW for me - probably won't have time to read any more stuff by him prior to picking up Pale King, so I hope it's awesome.

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« Reply #911 on: April 16, 2011, 01:14:42 PM »


It's pretty decent. Doesn't go anywhere and sometimes comes off as too whiny, but it's not to long and it has its moments.



Started reading this today. Hopefully it doesn't disappoint.
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« Reply #912 on: April 16, 2011, 02:36:49 PM »
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I know you'll probably catch flak for not finishing On The Road, but I'll give you my support. I couldn't finish Dharma Bums. I'm not to into Western Buddhists, so it really wasn't my thing. ? ? ? ?
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It really just bored the shit out of me. Seems like he was trying to convince himself that his story was worth telling. Maybe it was just his "spontaneous" style of writing. Like one long facebook post for lack of a better description.
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I understand that the Beat era writers did a lot for defying traditional American values and battling censorship, but I think a lot of the books are pretty overrated.
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the beats are interesting. so many come up thinking that their works, especially in poetics, are liberating through defying or redefining ideas of form and i suppose cultural acceptance. kerouac and ginsberg attended columbia. Olson attended Wesleyan.  they emulated the form and ideas of the modernist era as exemplified by EzPound, Eliot, and really as she is being studied more, Mina Loy. Modernists were concerned with with redefining the world through eyes that had been subjected to the flash of WWI and the psychological upheaval presented by Freud and Nietzsche. Bring into the scope educated Harlem writers like Hughes with the Bukka White blues train back beat or McKay with Jamaican patois developing poetry in response to the lynchings, popular Jazz, blues recordings, shit, Birth of a Nation was the most popular film in the US until 1930 or so, and you've got something that has never before been attempted in the literary world- call it cohesion through reconstruction of the world. Shelley said "poets are the unacknowledged legislators of the world."

so following this modernity the Beats were just a natural response to the modernist era- look at the world, the US in particular during the early post modern era as a recent creation built of rubble. 25 monarchies had been overthrown during WWI, there's no way stability can come about, anywhere, in 40 year time frame. So of course the ideas of "Western Buddhism" are attractive- with the world a disastrous place, living through nothingness is the grand scheme.  Nothingness, however, cannot be achieved without the right knowledge- understanding the rudiments of form, literature, history, and culture.

So to say that many of their books are overrated, you're probably right but should try to wrap around the idea that Beat works aren't weren't written for everybody. The idea of a rating of a piece of work comes about when a writer isn't trying to gain a particular audience and it is read as though it should be something... It's like attempting to define "nothingness."

Anyhow, if you're interested, Charles Olson wrote poetry and coined the term "Beats." there are some interesting collections of letters too.

I'm reading a collection of letters written by Pound while he was in an open air cage at the end of WWII on charges of treason called Letters of Captivity.

The Sun Also Rises is a good one by Hemingway.

If you're at all interested in Modern literature check out Stravinsky's Rites of Spring on Youtube. It's a strange play- when released such confusion was aroused in the audience that they erupted in fist fights and tore the theater apart.  

Whoever was writing about Ulysses, Frank Delaney does a podcast breaking it down at http://blog.frankdelaney.com/re-joyce/

Wrong. Herbert Huncke coined the term "beat" find his shit, it's all OOP.  The Herbert Hunkce reader these days runs for 50 bucks plus, he's the voice and reason. Plus my favorite, personally.

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« Reply #913 on: April 17, 2011, 08:02:13 PM »


Just got done reading that, pretty intense. 

Might get this next. Read The Prologue and it was good.

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« Reply #914 on: April 17, 2011, 10:23:10 PM »
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I know you'll probably catch flak for not finishing On The Road, but I'll give you my support. I couldn't finish Dharma Bums. I'm not to into Western Buddhists, so it really wasn't my thing. ? ? ? ?
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It really just bored the shit out of me. Seems like he was trying to convince himself that his story was worth telling. Maybe it was just his "spontaneous" style of writing. Like one long facebook post for lack of a better description.
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I understand that the Beat era writers did a lot for defying traditional American values and battling censorship, but I think a lot of the books are pretty overrated.
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the beats are interesting. so many come up thinking that their works, especially in poetics, are liberating through defying or redefining ideas of form and i suppose cultural acceptance. kerouac and ginsberg attended columbia. Olson attended Wesleyan.  they emulated the form and ideas of the modernist era as exemplified by EzPound, Eliot, and really as she is being studied more, Mina Loy. Modernists were concerned with with redefining the world through eyes that had been subjected to the flash of WWI and the psychological upheaval presented by Freud and Nietzsche. Bring into the scope educated Harlem writers like Hughes with the Bukka White blues train back beat or McKay with Jamaican patois developing poetry in response to the lynchings, popular Jazz, blues recordings, shit, Birth of a Nation was the most popular film in the US until 1930 or so, and you've got something that has never before been attempted in the literary world- call it cohesion through reconstruction of the world. Shelley said "poets are the unacknowledged legislators of the world."

so following this modernity the Beats were just a natural response to the modernist era- look at the world, the US in particular during the early post modern era as a recent creation built of rubble. 25 monarchies had been overthrown during WWI, there's no way stability can come about, anywhere, in 40 year time frame. So of course the ideas of "Western Buddhism" are attractive- with the world a disastrous place, living through nothingness is the grand scheme.  Nothingness, however, cannot be achieved without the right knowledge- understanding the rudiments of form, literature, history, and culture.

So to say that many of their books are overrated, you're probably right but should try to wrap around the idea that Beat works aren't weren't written for everybody. The idea of a rating of a piece of work comes about when a writer isn't trying to gain a particular audience and it is read as though it should be something... It's like attempting to define "nothingness."

Anyhow, if you're interested, Charles Olson wrote poetry and coined the term "Beats." there are some interesting collections of letters too.

I'm reading a collection of letters written by Pound while he was in an open air cage at the end of WWII on charges of treason called Letters of Captivity.

The Sun Also Rises is a good one by Hemingway.

If you're at all interested in Modern literature check out Stravinsky's Rites of Spring on Youtube. It's a strange play- when released such confusion was aroused in the audience that they erupted in fist fights and tore the theater apart.  

Whoever was writing about Ulysses, Frank Delaney does a podcast breaking it down at http://blog.frankdelaney.com/re-joyce/
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Wrong. Herbert Huncke coined the term "beat" find his shit, it's all OOP.  The Herbert Hunkce reader these days runs for 50 bucks plus, he's the voice and reason. Plus my favorite, personally.


yeah, man, i realized i fucked that up- he termed "post modern" which runs hand in hand with "beats"

also, olson is the guy who brought Moby Dick to the mainstream in the forties with Call Me Ishmael. he's excellent

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« Reply #915 on: April 20, 2011, 02:35:30 PM »
I'm going to the public library later, what books do y'all strongly recommend?

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« Reply #916 on: April 20, 2011, 05:37:54 PM »


I'm in a  Scifi phase right now

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« Reply #917 on: April 20, 2011, 05:39:50 PM »
Picked up these two:


Never heard of this one.

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« Reply #918 on: April 23, 2011, 11:33:38 AM »
if you want to know about native american history, read this.


highly recommended. pick it up if you've got the time. they also made a movie based on the book but it does not come close to the same level of greatness.
 

I've also got a copy of this at the moment,
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« Reply #919 on: April 23, 2011, 01:17:41 PM »
if you want to know about native american history, read this.


highly recommended. pick it up if you've got the time. they also made a movie based on the book but it does not come close to the same level of greatness.
 

I've also got a copy of this at the moment,


both of those books are solid reads. death on horseback is a good one too

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« Reply #920 on: April 23, 2011, 06:22:27 PM »
Finished this:

Really good read. Never seen the "In Cold Blood" movie, but I have seen "Capote". The book was REALLY well written, I mean the amount of information and detail that Capote put into everything was just amazing, almost too much to where I think he made it all up. All the parts up until the last one were interesting to read. The last one was just the trial and was boring to read if you had already seen the movie "Capote". Regardless, pick up this book and enjoy it to the fullest. Right now I'm two chapters deep into "No Country For Old Men" and loving it so far.

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« Reply #921 on: May 05, 2011, 01:46:09 PM »
Pick this up:



I got it used for like 4 bucks a couple months ago, just finished it. It's pretty short, and it reads soooo nicely.

It's more of a novel than just a textbook. He fills it with these interesting paragraph interludes of his dreams and shit. Fascinating. yougottapickitup
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« Reply #922 on: May 05, 2011, 07:58:34 PM »


I read it twice since I got it about a month ago. Its really inspiring, funny too. Makes me feel less crazy about everything.
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« Reply #923 on: May 05, 2011, 08:06:06 PM »


Almost done with this, if you liked Kitchen Confidential, then you'll like this.

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« Reply #924 on: May 05, 2011, 09:37:31 PM »
Im actually reading the hobbit for the first time, i cant complain its pretty good so far.

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« Reply #925 on: May 05, 2011, 09:59:10 PM »
Anyone read this?


Finished it last night.  Super good.  But you gotta get to the end.
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« Reply #926 on: May 05, 2011, 10:03:32 PM »
Finished No Country For Old Men. Awesome read and a lot more stuff was left out of the movie. Starting to read "The Motel Life" and it's pretty interesting; an easy read.

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« Reply #927 on: May 06, 2011, 01:17:52 AM »


Almost done with this, if you liked Kitchen Confidential, then you'll like this.

I've been meaning to pick up Kitchen Confidential, love that dude's TV show.

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« Reply #928 on: May 06, 2011, 12:58:08 PM »


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« Reply #929 on: May 06, 2011, 01:35:28 PM »
I'm taking an independent research class on the Marquis de Sade so I'm reading The 120 Days of Sodom right now.