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Re: books to read
« Reply #1560 on: February 01, 2013, 01:00:45 PM »
@ Hate, I didn't know that about I am Legend.  I liked the Will Smith version because Will Smith is a baus, but I thought it could have been better/scarier/more intimidating.  I am definately going to read the novel.  I'll check out Stir of Echoes, but I don't think I'll get into the vampire one.  Never was really into vampire shit.  The film the Lost Boys was the only vampire shit I ever fucked with.

@oyolar, I completely agree with everything you said.  I am almost done with House of Leaves and it continues to get better and better.  I like how the novel's visualizations (I guess you could say) complement the stories.  It is really interesting and I have never really read a novel like it.  Sometimes the footnotes get a bit tedious, but I like that too.  It is weird.  I just googled Bataille's fiction and found very little.  I guess I am bad with the internets.  I found one called Story of the Eye.  Is this in the right direction?  Do you have any recommendations?
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« Reply #1561 on: February 01, 2013, 01:38:51 PM »
You're getting it backward-  Legend is about vampires, Echoes is about ghosts... or A ghost.

Story of the Eye is Bataille's book I just mentioned.  It's not that it's bad, and in terms of sex shit, it's really wild, but it never lets you breathe and the story telling is sorta weak.  It just bounces from one fucked up sex act to the next.  It's like as it goes, it just keeps saying, "You thought that was fucked up?  Check out THIS."  It IS fucked up, but it's just way, way overdone with little else going on so the impact is lessened.

I was talking about Dracula when in my previous post.  And, I didn't know I am Legend was vampires, thought it was like zombie type things...  Interesting.  And I am going to check out Story of the Eye regardless though because now I am intruiged.  
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« Reply #1562 on: February 01, 2013, 01:56:19 PM »
You probably found all of his fiction stuff. He was not a very prolific fiction writer. If I remember correctly, his fiction pieces are : Story if the Eye, Blue of Noon, The Impossible, Madame Edwarda, The Dead Man, and My Mother. But all of those are really short. Story of the Eye, like HATE! said, is rather repetitive and fairly weak. It makes sense in terms of Bataille's psychological/philosophical obsessions, but standing on its own, it does not fair well. His other works, except maybe My Mother and possibly The Dead Man, don't focus as much as fucked up sex scenes (although they are there) to my knowledge of skimming them, reading few of them and in-depth summaries and criticisms of them. I suggested them more so because for me, Batille will write these short scenes or chapters or even a sentence that I'll understand at the time and will continue to stick in my head and haunt me for hours later.

As for HoL, that's what I like so much about the book and Danielewski in general. His weird formats and visualizations are not an ad hoc gimmick to sell his books. They actually enhance the stories. I've read all of his stuff so far and if you're interested, I'd say read The Fifty Year Sword next. It's a really short modern ghost story that you can get through in an hour or two. I actually went to a reading by him of the entire book back in October and it was awesome. His second novel Only Revolutions is good in its own right, but very different from HoL and strange to get into. He's working on a 27 volume third book right now tht I'm excited for tht starts coming out later this year or next year. I think he's planning on shorter volumes every two or three months. He's said that HoL was meant to tackle cinema, T50YS was oral ghost stories, OR was music, and this new one is tackling TV series. He's an odd fellow.

Sorry for the lack of italics. I'm on my phone.

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« Reply #1563 on: February 01, 2013, 04:19:36 PM »
Freedom-Jonathan Franzen

Wow. This is a great novel with so much going on and very enjoyable readability. Blowing through it, writing things down, and thinking.

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« Reply #1564 on: February 02, 2013, 07:57:34 AM »
You probably found all of his fiction stuff. He was not a very prolific fiction writer. If I remember correctly, his fiction pieces are : Story if the Eye, Blue of Noon, The Impossible, Madame Edwarda, The Dead Man, and My Mother. But all of those are really short. Story of the Eye, like HATE! said, is rather repetitive and fairly weak. It makes sense in terms of Bataille's psychological/philosophical obsessions, but standing on its own, it does not fair well. His other works, except maybe My Mother and possibly The Dead Man, don't focus as much as fucked up sex scenes (although they are there) to my knowledge of skimming them, reading few of them and in-depth summaries and criticisms of them. I suggested them more so because for me, Batille will write these short scenes or chapters or even a sentence that I'll understand at the time and will continue to stick in my head and haunt me for hours later.

As for HoL, that's what I like so much about the book and Danielewski in general. His weird formats and visualizations are not an ad hoc gimmick to sell his books. They actually enhance the stories. I've read all of his stuff so far and if you're interested, I'd say read The Fifty Year Sword next. It's a really short modern ghost story that you can get through in an hour or two. I actually went to a reading by him of the entire book back in October and it was awesome. His second novel Only Revolutions is good in its own right, but very different from HoL and strange to get into. He's working on a 27 volume third book right now tht I'm excited for tht starts coming out later this year or next year. I think he's planning on shorter volumes every two or three months. He's said that HoL was meant to tackle cinema, T50YS was oral ghost stories, OR was music, and this new one is tackling TV series. He's an odd fellow.

Sorry for the lack of italics. I'm on my phone.

Dude!  Thanks for all the recommendations.  I have Only Revolutions on order at my library.  Hyped to see what that one is like.  Hear it didn't fair as well in the reviews as HoL, but I'm still excited. I am going to check out Bataille's stuff as well, seems interesting.  Sketchy sex scenes always creep on me.  I like it.  Thanks again!
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« Reply #1565 on: February 06, 2013, 09:50:40 AM »
Finished up The Crying of Lot 49, so I'll have to go through the thread we had for it and watch the lecture that was posted in there.  I've started The History of Bestiality trilogy by Jens Bjoerneboe with Moment of Freedom.  One of the bands I like have had songs on their last three albums, each inspired by a book in the trilogy.



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« Reply #1566 on: February 06, 2013, 04:43:01 PM »
Kind of a stretch, but has anyone here thought about writing a book, or has already written one?

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« Reply #1567 on: February 06, 2013, 05:17:47 PM »
I have some sections written for a novel and an outline for a separate book too. Those are my most complete ideas. I have a few manuscripts started, but I haven't been able to come up with enough fully-formed ideas for them. I would love to be an author but it's surprisingly intimidating.

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« Reply #1568 on: February 06, 2013, 05:28:57 PM »


Picked this up recently, only about 15 pages in.  Whoa.

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« Reply #1569 on: February 06, 2013, 05:33:24 PM »
Kind of a stretch, but has anyone here thought about writing a book, or has already written one?

yah, i wrote a novel about a year and a half ago. 80,000 words and nothing came out of it. i expected that though, it was something to do while i was unemployed, really 
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« Reply #1570 on: February 06, 2013, 05:35:10 PM »
been rifling off a bunch of harry crews lately

this cover made me feel very uncomfortable at time. very awkward to flash in public




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« Reply #1571 on: February 06, 2013, 09:34:31 PM »
been rifling off a bunch of harry crews lately

this cover made me feel very uncomfortable at time. very awkward to flash in public


Another one of the advantages of a kindle/generic e-reading device.

The main one being not paying shit for books.

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« Reply #1572 on: February 06, 2013, 09:36:19 PM »
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« Reply #1574 on: February 07, 2013, 07:34:40 AM »
Kind of a stretch, but has anyone here thought about writing a book, or has already written one?

I write short stories on the reg.  Some come out pretty good, some terrible.  Looking for ways to possibly seek publication.  Or at least attempt and get shut down.  Either way, writing will always be a passion.  So much fun. 

Tried to think of a novel concept, but it is difficult.  Try it.  Or try writing stories first.  They seem to be easier to grasp IMO.

Also, if anyone is interested in reading any of them, I can post them on scribd and link them here.  Most of them are dark, some funny, some interesting.  Yeah, just saying.  Try writing though bro.
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« Reply #1575 on: February 07, 2013, 08:04:13 AM »
I actually just finished a 113,000 word manuscript and am starting the process of looking for representation. I took classes at the UCLA Writer's Program(extension, you don't have to get accepted to the university, go full time, etc.) and it was very helpful. I'm meeting up with my teacher who is a published novelist in the next week or two to talk about agents. Starting to get super nervous.

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« Reply #1576 on: February 07, 2013, 08:16:24 AM »
I actually just finished a 113,000 word manuscript and am starting the process of looking for representation. I took classes at the UCLA Writer's Program(extension, you don't have to get accepted to the university, go full time, etc.) and it was very helpful. I'm meeting up with my teacher who is a published novelist in the next week or two to talk about agents. Starting to get super nervous.

hell yes, keep us updated and good luck.

i just added two new novels to my book collection, i've heard good things about this kosinski one and i'm psyched

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« Reply #1577 on: February 07, 2013, 10:25:37 AM »
I actually just finished a 113,000 word manuscript and am starting the process of looking for representation. I took classes at the UCLA Writer's Program(extension, you don't have to get accepted to the university, go full time, etc.) and it was very helpful. I'm meeting up with my teacher who is a published novelist in the next week or two to talk about agents. Starting to get super nervous.

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« Reply #1578 on: February 07, 2013, 03:21:16 PM »
I actually just finished a 113,000 word manuscript and am starting the process of looking for representation. I took classes at the UCLA Writer's Program(extension, you don't have to get accepted to the university, go full time, etc.) and it was very helpful. I'm meeting up with my teacher who is a published novelist in the next week or two to talk about agents. Starting to get super nervous.

at least you know someone, that's always an advantage. I don't know anyone in publishing (or even a writer at that). I queried around 160 literary agents, got 50 rejection letters/emails and only 2 green lights (who rejected it after "reading" it)
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« Reply #1579 on: February 08, 2013, 04:42:58 PM »
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at least you know someone, that's always an advantage. I don't know anyone in publishing (or even a writer at that). I queried around 160 literary agents, got 50 rejection letters/emails and only 2 green lights (who rejected it after "reading" it)

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« Reply #1580 on: February 08, 2013, 07:36:21 PM »

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« Reply #1581 on: February 09, 2013, 03:18:51 PM »
I actually just finished a 113,000 word manuscript and am starting the process of looking for representation. I took classes at the UCLA Writer's Program(extension, you don't have to get accepted to the university, go full time, etc.) and it was very helpful. I'm meeting up with my teacher who is a published novelist in the next week or two to talk about agents. Starting to get super nervous.

you ever think about applying to MFA programs? there are so many solid programs that offer full funding with teaching assistantships. Two to three years of getting paid to write with other writers.

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« Reply #1582 on: February 09, 2013, 06:38:00 PM »
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I actually just finished a 113,000 word manuscript and am starting the process of looking for representation. I took classes at the UCLA Writer's Program(extension, you don't have to get accepted to the university, go full time, etc.) and it was very helpful. I'm meeting up with my teacher who is a published novelist in the next week or two to talk about agents. Starting to get super nervous.
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you ever think about applying to MFA programs? there are so many solid programs that offer full funding with teaching assistantships. Two to three years of getting paid to write with other writers.

No, I was going to journalism school a few years ago and dropped out to focus on the novel, because of amongst other reasons my teachers always talking about how the industry was dying. Since thenI've been pretty obsessively focused on writing, and haven't thought much about school full-time. I only have like 15-20 units left and plan on finishing my bachelor's, especially if the book doesn't get published/doesn't sell well, and that does sound pretty awesome, especially fully funded. I really enjoyed the workshop classes at UCLA opposed to more traditional college classes. I'd love to do more of that, especially with people totally committed to their craft. I have a friend who went to the program at UC Riverside (I think). She was the editor of the Coachella Review and really enjoyed the experience. I'll start looking into that.Do you have your MFA?
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« Reply #1583 on: February 09, 2013, 06:43:58 PM »
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at least you know someone, that's always an advantage. I don't know anyone in publishing (or even a writer at that). I queried around 160 literary agents, got 50 rejection letters/emails and only 2 green lights (who rejected it after "reading" it)

Yeah, I fear that experience. Are you working on anything right now? I don't know how long you've been writing, but I wrote probably thousands of pages of short stories, screenplays, beginnings of novels, etc. that I never submitted or got rejected before getting to the point now where I hope my writing's ready for print. Also have you taken classes or joined a writing group to have your stuff read by other writers?

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« Reply #1584 on: February 10, 2013, 09:55:06 AM »
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I actually just finished a 113,000 word manuscript and am starting the process of looking for representation. I took classes at the UCLA Writer's Program(extension, you don't have to get accepted to the university, go full time, etc.) and it was very helpful. I'm meeting up with my teacher who is a published novelist in the next week or two to talk about agents. Starting to get super nervous.
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you ever think about applying to MFA programs? there are so many solid programs that offer full funding with teaching assistantships. Two to three years of getting paid to write with other writers.
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No, I was going to journalism school a few years ago and dropped out to focus on the novel, because of amongst other reasons my teachers always talking about how the industry was dying. Since thenI've been pretty obsessively focused on writing, and haven't thought much about school full-time. I only have like 15-20 units left and plan on finishing my bachelor's, especially if the book doesn't get published/doesn't sell well, and that does sound pretty awesome, especially fully funded. I really enjoyed the workshop classes at UCLA opposed to more traditional college classes. I'd love to do more of that, especially with people totally committed to their craft. I have a friend who went to the program at UC Riverside (I think). She was the editor of the Coachella Review and really enjoyed the experience. I'll start looking into that.Do you have your MFA?

Right on!

I do not have an MFA. This past summer I completed my BA and want to travel a bit before I head into grad school, but I'm always looking at programs. This is a great site- https://www.awpwriter.org/programs_conferences/guide_writing_programs.
I'm not sure if I want to get an MFA. I'm really more interested in teaching literature, but usually end up falling back on "creative" writing when it comes to doing any kind of writing. I do find it, lately, a greater challenge to write a solid essay, than to write a poem. 

Workshops can be awesome, especially if you've got a great teacher/leader that gets things going. I've been in workshops that totally lack, which means I've just got to write more. It's definitely frustrating. I've got a few buddies who I've been writing with, or talking about words with, for years, and it helps.

There was someone who posted on SLAP, some years back, who ended up in the NYU program. I don't recall who it was though.

Either way, good luck!!!




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« Reply #1585 on: February 15, 2013, 12:26:05 AM »
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I actually just finished a 113,000 word manuscript and am starting the process of looking for representation. I took classes at the UCLA Writer's Program(extension, you don't have to get accepted to the university, go full time, etc.) and it was very helpful. I'm meeting up with my teacher who is a published novelist in the next week or two to talk about agents. Starting to get super nervous.
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you ever think about applying to MFA programs? there are so many solid programs that offer full funding with teaching assistantships. Two to three years of getting paid to write with other writers.
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No, I was going to journalism school a few years ago and dropped out to focus on the novel, because of amongst other reasons my teachers always talking about how the industry was dying. Since thenI've been pretty obsessively focused on writing, and haven't thought much about school full-time. I only have like 15-20 units left and plan on finishing my bachelor's, especially if the book doesn't get published/doesn't sell well, and that does sound pretty awesome, especially fully funded. I really enjoyed the workshop classes at UCLA opposed to more traditional college classes. I'd love to do more of that, especially with people totally committed to their craft. I have a friend who went to the program at UC Riverside (I think). She was the editor of the Coachella Review and really enjoyed the experience. I'll start looking into that.Do you have your MFA?
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Right on!

I do not have an MFA. This past summer I completed my BA and want to travel a bit before I head into grad school, but I'm always looking at programs. This is a great site- https://www.awpwriter.org/programs_conferences/guide_writing_programs.
I'm not sure if I want to get an MFA. I'm really more interested in teaching literature, but usually end up falling back on "creative" writing when it comes to doing any kind of writing. I do find it, lately, a greater challenge to write a solid essay, than to write a poem.  

Workshops can be awesome, especially if you've got a great teacher/leader that gets things going. I've been in workshops that totally lack, which means I've just got to write more. It's definitely frustrating. I've got a few buddies who I've been writing with, or talking about words with, for years, and it helps.

There was someone who posted on SLAP, some years back, who ended up in the NYU program. I don't recall who it was though.

Either way, good luck!!!




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« Reply #1586 on: February 15, 2013, 10:02:46 AM »
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I actually just finished a 113,000 word manuscript and am starting the process of looking for representation. I took classes at the UCLA Writer's Program(extension, you don't have to get accepted to the university, go full time, etc.) and it was very helpful. I'm meeting up with my teacher who is a published novelist in the next week or two to talk about agents. Starting to get super nervous.
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you ever think about applying to MFA programs? there are so many solid programs that offer full funding with teaching assistantships. Two to three years of getting paid to write with other writers.
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No, I was going to journalism school a few years ago and dropped out to focus on the novel, because of amongst other reasons my teachers always talking about how the industry was dying. Since thenI've been pretty obsessively focused on writing, and haven't thought much about school full-time. I only have like 15-20 units left and plan on finishing my bachelor's, especially if the book doesn't get published/doesn't sell well, and that does sound pretty awesome, especially fully funded. I really enjoyed the workshop classes at UCLA opposed to more traditional college classes. I'd love to do more of that, especially with people totally committed to their craft. I have a friend who went to the program at UC Riverside (I think). She was the editor of the Coachella Review and really enjoyed the experience. I'll start looking into that.Do you have your MFA?
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Right on!

I do not have an MFA. This past summer I completed my BA and want to travel a bit before I head into grad school, but I'm always looking at programs. This is a great site- https://www.awpwriter.org/programs_conferences/guide_writing_programs.
I'm not sure if I want to get an MFA. I'm really more interested in teaching literature, but usually end up falling back on "creative" writing when it comes to doing any kind of writing. I do find it, lately, a greater challenge to write a solid essay, than to write a poem.  

Workshops can be awesome, especially if you've got a great teacher/leader that gets things going. I've been in workshops that totally lack, which means I've just got to write more. It's definitely frustrating. I've got a few buddies who I've been writing with, or talking about words with, for years, and it helps.

There was someone who posted on SLAP, some years back, who ended up in the NYU program. I don't recall who it was though.

Either way, good luck!!!




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« Reply #1587 on: February 15, 2013, 10:27:00 AM »
Wait--really?  That would be awesome.  I might be calling in a favor...

Finished Moment of Freedom and it was ok.  It got a little tedious after a while, so I'm taking a break before reading the other two parts of the trilogy (I also found out that they don't really need to be read in order, so that made it an easier decision).

I'm presenting at a sociology conference in the beginning of March, so I'm trying to read some more books from a prof. that is on my PhD adviser list. 



I read one of her other books as my first book of the year and it wasn't that good, so hopefully this one will be better.

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Re: books to read
« Reply #1588 on: February 15, 2013, 10:27:22 AM »
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I actually just finished a 113,000 word manuscript and am starting the process of looking for representation. I took classes at the UCLA Writer's Program(extension, you don't have to get accepted to the university, go full time, etc.) and it was very helpful. I'm meeting up with my teacher who is a published novelist in the next week or two to talk about agents. Starting to get super nervous.
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you ever think about applying to MFA programs? there are so many solid programs that offer full funding with teaching assistantships. Two to three years of getting paid to write with other writers.
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No, I was going to journalism school a few years ago and dropped out to focus on the novel, because of amongst other reasons my teachers always talking about how the industry was dying. Since thenI've been pretty obsessively focused on writing, and haven't thought much about school full-time. I only have like 15-20 units left and plan on finishing my bachelor's, especially if the book doesn't get published/doesn't sell well, and that does sound pretty awesome, especially fully funded. I really enjoyed the workshop classes at UCLA opposed to more traditional college classes. I'd love to do more of that, especially with people totally committed to their craft. I have a friend who went to the program at UC Riverside (I think). She was the editor of the Coachella Review and really enjoyed the experience. I'll start looking into that.Do you have your MFA?
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Right on!

I do not have an MFA. This past summer I completed my BA and want to travel a bit before I head into grad school, but I'm always looking at programs. This is a great site- https://www.awpwriter.org/programs_conferences/guide_writing_programs.
I'm not sure if I want to get an MFA. I'm really more interested in teaching literature, but usually end up falling back on "creative" writing when it comes to doing any kind of writing. I do find it, lately, a greater challenge to write a solid essay, than to write a poem. �

Workshops can be awesome, especially if you've got a great teacher/leader that gets things going. I've been in workshops that totally lack, which means I've just got to write more. It's definitely frustrating. I've got a few buddies who I've been writing with, or talking about words with, for years, and it helps.

There was someone who posted on SLAP, some years back, who ended up in the NYU program. I don't recall who it was though.

Either way, good luck!!!




This is an important book. Read it!


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mandible claw teaches creative writing(?) at NYU
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And I'm the chair of the English department at Columbia.

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Re: books to read
« Reply #1589 on: February 15, 2013, 07:19:56 PM »
^no. though I do have a bachelors in modern literature...

I recommend this book. If you know anything about Oakland it's awesome. If you don't it's probably still awesome. Want to read the rest of the series.
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