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« Reply #1710 on: April 02, 2013, 08:19:52 PM »
not being able to read proust in the original french is one of my life's greatest disappointments.

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« Reply #1711 on: April 02, 2013, 08:26:11 PM »
not being able to read proust in the original french is one of my life's greatest disappointments.

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« Reply #1712 on: April 02, 2013, 08:32:57 PM »
The Long Walk by Slavomir Rawicz. It's an adventure book that is very similar to Endurance by Alfred Lansing, about the will power to survive.

The Fountainhead by Ayn Rand. One of those books I have been told to read for years but always shrugged off. Once I finally picked it up I was fully blown away. Really recommend.



You read it and didn't like it? Pretty long book to power through unhappily.

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« Reply #1713 on: April 02, 2013, 08:44:19 PM »
Rand discussion's aren't that fun.  She's so polemic that they never go anywhere.

Shooting myself in the foot, I haven't read a complete piece by Rand, but I read a section of The Fountainhead at the urging of my friend and although I barely remember what she wrote, I do remember thinking that she wasn't a good writer.  I've been told her plots are good, but she can't really do much with them.

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« Reply #1714 on: April 02, 2013, 09:01:15 PM »
Rand discussion's aren't that fun.  She's so polemic that they never go anywhere.

Shooting myself in the foot, I haven't read a complete piece by Rand, but I read a section of The Fountainhead at the urging of my friend and although I barely remember what she wrote, I do remember thinking that she wasn't a good writer.  I've been told her plots are good, but she can't really do much with them.

Try the full book. It takes a minute to get into but I think it's well worth the time. I found her to be a very good writer, though not until a fair way through.

And yes, I can see what you mean my Rand's discussions being not very fun, being about altruism vs. selfishness. But once you get enough into the book and see character development and how the plot line is actually starting to build it is really intriguing. The book itself is broken up into different sub-books. Maybe try to pick it up again starting at Gail Wynand (merely to see the writing structure). The first couple chapters of that section are quite good and don't give away from the actual plot.

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« Reply #1715 on: April 03, 2013, 12:27:42 AM »
rand is disgusting and so is her writing.

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« Reply #1716 on: April 03, 2013, 07:34:09 AM »
rand is disgusting and so is her writing.

Ok. But will you at least explain yourself. I understand a difference of opinions in literary preference, but can you be more articulate in your argument. Merely curious.

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« Reply #1717 on: April 03, 2013, 08:58:16 AM »
Rand discussion's aren't that fun.  She's so polemic that they never go anywhere.

Shooting myself in the foot, I haven't read a complete piece by Rand, but I read a section of The Fountainhead at the urging of my friend and although I barely remember what she wrote, I do remember thinking that she wasn't a good writer.  I've been told her plots are good, but she can't really do much with them.

I found this interesting. Modern Library compiled two lists of the 100 greatest english language novels of the past 100 years, one by a panel of experts, the second by the public. Her or L. Ron Hubbard don't appear on the panel's list, but make up 7 of the top 10 of the public's. Obviously this doesn't reflect the size of their fan base or quality of work, but the fanaticism of their fans. Not saying Nerg is one, but people who like them definitely tend to over blow their literary value.

http://www.modernlibrary.com/top-100/100-best-novels/

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« Reply #1718 on: April 03, 2013, 10:00:11 AM »
Rand discussion's aren't that fun.  She's so polemic that they never go anywhere.

Shooting myself in the foot, I haven't read a complete piece by Rand, but I read a section of The Fountainhead at the urging of my friend and although I barely remember what she wrote, I do remember thinking that she wasn't a good writer.  I've been told her plots are good, but she can't really do much with them.

I found this interesting. Modern Library compiled two lists of the 100 greatest english language novels of the past 100 years, one by a panel of experts, the second by the public. Her or L. Ron Hubbard don't appear on the panel's list, but make up 7 of the top 10 of the public's. Obviously this doesn't reflect the size of their fan base or quality of work, but the fanaticism of their fans. Not saying Nerg is one, but people who like them definitely tend to over blow their literary value.

http://www.modernlibrary.com/top-100/100-best-novels/

Damn dude. Getting put in my place by being compared to a Scientologist. That's fucking rough.

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« Reply #1719 on: April 03, 2013, 11:50:59 AM »
rand is disgusting and so is her writing.

Ok. But will you at least explain yourself. I understand a difference of opinions in literary preference, but can you be more articulate in your argument. Merely curious.

Again, haven't read her significantly, but here's my problems with her as a person: her homophobia, support of discrimination, misogyny, a poorly designed and thought out philosophy that scholars have called not only illogical and inconsistent, but also acts as a monument to her personal ego (she claims it sprung completely from her with a little Aristotle, but that's not true), and her hypocrisy with taking government aid to pay for her cancer treatment under a fake name (although she would argue that this wasn't hypocritical regardless of what other people say).

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« Reply #1720 on: April 03, 2013, 12:07:14 PM »


Again, haven't read her significantly, but here's my problems with her as a person: her homophobia, support of discrimination, misogyny, a poorly designed and thought out philosophy that scholars have called not only illogical and inconsistent, but also acts as a monument to her personal ego (she claims it sprung completely from her with a little Aristotle, but that's not true), and her hypocrisy with taking government aid to pay for her cancer treatment under a fake name (although she would argue that this wasn't hypocritical regardless of what other people say).
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Wow. I know nothing about her, other then the one book I read. But yeah, everything you said above makes her to be a shitty person.

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« Reply #1721 on: April 03, 2013, 12:56:07 PM »
Rand is cool when you're 16 and going through that "fuck the government" stage when you get taxed 7 bucks on your Burger King pay check.

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« Reply #1722 on: April 23, 2013, 06:40:29 AM »
Just finished reading this.  I loved it.  Depicts the raw passion present in the NYC Graffiti Scene.  Also, it is a rare example of why fiction is the absolute shit.  I highly recommend this novel.



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« Reply #1723 on: April 23, 2013, 08:46:27 AM »






Read these recently. Finishing The Things they Carried right now. All of them are fantastic. Was reading The Reluctant Fundamentalist during the whole Boston bombing shit storm, which made it more poignant. Its about an American educated Pakistani who becomes an Islamic fundamentalist after 9/11.

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« Reply #1724 on: April 24, 2013, 08:38:45 AM »


Reading Straw Dogs.  It's the first really intellectual read I've done in a long time, and I am kind of struggling with it, having to read passages multiple times for understanding, etc.  That being said it's been very enjoyable, and John Gray brings up some very interesting points about humanity. 

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« Reply #1725 on: April 24, 2013, 09:06:26 AM »


Reading Straw Dogs.  It's the first really intellectual read I've done in a long time, and I am kind of struggling with it, having to read passages multiple times for understanding, etc.  That being said it's been very enjoyable, and John Gray brings up some very interesting points about humanity. 

My boy Terry is right:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2002/sep/07/highereducation.news2

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« Reply #1726 on: April 24, 2013, 09:59:56 AM »
Great book, it's all about how capitalism is a pyramid scheme and it discusses the how all the different parts of society function to serve those at the top of the pyramid.


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« Reply #1727 on: April 24, 2013, 01:59:23 PM »


Reading Straw Dogs.  It's the first really intellectual read I've done in a long time, and I am kind of struggling with it, having to read passages multiple times for understanding, etc.  That being said it's been very enjoyable, and John Gray brings up some very interesting points about humanity.  

Weird, I just started reading Black Mass. He's a huge influence on one of my favorite professors, so I've been meaning to check him out.
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« Reply #1729 on: April 24, 2013, 02:11:25 PM »


I found this book on the ground a few weeks ago. It's pretty fucking crazy. The author basically had a longstanding work/personal relationship with Ted Bundy at a suicide hot line center, while she was also working with the police looking for the person commenting all these heinous murders, who obviously turned out to be Ted Bundy. They were friends for years, going to each other christmas parties, talking about his failed relationships, ect. He confided in her about "the one that got away", eventually coming to light that the woman he loved and was left by was the catalyst to all of his murders. Most of his victims resembled her.

I was about halfway through, then I came home a few nights ago and my dog had eaten it.

Bummer.

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« Reply #1730 on: April 24, 2013, 04:24:51 PM »


I found this book on the ground a few weeks ago. It's pretty fucking crazy. The author basically had a longstanding work/personal relationship with Ted Bundy at a suicide hot line center, while she was also working with the police looking for the person commenting all these heinous murders, who obviously turned out to be Ted Bundy. They were friends for years, going to each other christmas parties, talking about his failed relationships, ect. He confided in her about "the one that got away", eventually coming to light that the woman he loved and was left by was the catalyst to all of his murders. Most of his victims resembled her.

I was about halfway through, then I came home a few nights ago and my dog had eaten it.

Bummer.

Man, that book paid its dues.
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« Reply #1731 on: April 25, 2013, 07:07:04 AM »

My boy Terry is right:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2002/sep/07/highereducation.news2

Damn, harsh. Haha.

For real.  I'm still enjoying it, though.  I want to check out Black Mass next, let me know if you like it. 

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« Reply #1732 on: April 25, 2013, 07:15:44 AM »


got this book by accident and all I have to say it was quiet amusing.

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« Reply #1733 on: April 25, 2013, 11:08:09 AM »




this is the book to read. It discusses how the US has had opportunities to broker peace in the Middle East, spec. Israel/Palestine, at 3 points, 1982 with the Reagan plan, 91-93 Madrid and the Oslo accords, 2010 with Obama refusing to insist on halting settlement on the west bank.

i was listening to NPR interview the cat who wrote it, Rashid Kahlidi, and it gets into the use of Orwellian language to justify the reasoning behind all of it. Sounds like a fantastic book!

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« Reply #1734 on: May 02, 2013, 08:34:59 PM »
Finally finished Finnegans Wake last night, so now I'm starting this.


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« Reply #1735 on: May 02, 2013, 09:19:24 PM »
Flannery O'Connor is excellent

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« Reply #1736 on: May 03, 2013, 11:25:11 AM »
Yes she is.  She can spin a yarn.  I really like how deliberate and masterful she is with language.  Every word perfectly conveys the atmosphere she wants.  I had a literature professor that swore she was one of the best authors of the twentieth century and that she never won the Nobel Prize because the committee is biased against short story writers.  He said that she was the only author aside from Joyce that was completely aware of every possible interpretation of her works and which ones would be preferred.

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« Reply #1737 on: May 03, 2013, 07:18:07 PM »

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« Reply #1738 on: May 04, 2013, 05:27:34 AM »
I've just finished the Miles Davis autobiography, pretty much presents itself as a character study of one 20th century music's most influential figures, and really digs in and talks about what the jazz scene was really like in the 1940s-50s.

Getting through Homage to Catalonia, enjoying the historical/political context of it, Orwell had that perfect mix of concise yet perfectly descriptive writing, especially when he was on the ground living through what he wrote (before 'Homage...' I had finished 'Down and Out..", and thoroughly enjoyed it).

I would love to pick up 'Infinite Jest' again, it has grabbed me with the small amount I have got through. Wallace wrote with such heart, and a kind of hopeless/paranoid humour.
I need the short-snappy books of late, too attention-deprived to battle it at the moment.

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« Reply #1739 on: May 05, 2013, 04:11:10 PM »

One of the funniest books I've read.  Not as funny as Sh*t My Dad Says and his dad isn't in it as much, but some of the author's stories are pretty great.  Pretty good pick me up and quick to finish.  It's fun laughing out loud because of a book.