First, I have made it very clear that I do not stereotype all people of the south in this thread. Do you want me to go that far and prove to you that LBJ was right by linking you to electoral maps of later elections? I can do that, but will you answer as to why LBJ would say that, and how he was right if the South wasn't racist? Just keep avoiding the question and I will corner you.
With slavery and white people you are talking about "indentured servitude," which is not the same as black chattel slavery. Indentured servitude was an OPTIONAL way for white people to pay off their migration to the new world in the 18th century. It was not permanent, and was banned in the 18th century. What makes slavery different than indentured servitude?
1: Black people were kidnapped from their homeland, forced to come over in a dangerous and often deadly journey called "middle passage"
2: Once you were a slave, you were a slave for life
3: Slavery was not ended until a war over it took place
4: most importantly YOU HAD TO BE BLACK TO BE A SLAVE.
So as you see by my 4th point, chattel slavery was ABSOLUTELY RACIALLY MOTIVATED. Northern factory work was not. Your point is just wrong, and is even laughably, willfully ignorant.
You are just sugarcoating a vicious past, but indentured servitude and factory work are nothing compared to the chattel slavery of the south, nothing. So instead of you painting my into some corner I will simply say to you to learn the difference between indentured servitude and slavery, you southern racial apologist.
My point was not to dis-include examples of racism in the north, but if you do, I wanted you to statistically prove it was worse in the north in some way. I KNOW RACISM EXISTED IN THE NORTH. MY POINT WAS THAT DESPITE THIS, THE SOUTH WAS STILL FAR WORSE. Unless you can prove that the north was worse in some way, you really got nothing. I have already given examples of why the south was worse, they had more racially motivated murders, more racially motivated riots, were the longest standouts holding on to segregation, and as a block, voted against the party that ended segregation, and the leader of that party even predicted it. What did the north do that would make it be equally as bad as the south? GIVE ME REAL FACTS. Its not a trap. How is that not legitimate?
Now, I call it "The Civil War," because that is all it was. The South never won their independence.But speaking of which, you know who thought the south was more racist than the north during the Civil War? The Vice-President of the Confederacy. Check out his most famous speech:
http://www.teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?documentprint=76Here is an interesting little tidbit from it:
[quote = Alexander Stephens]Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery—subordination to the superior race—is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. [/quote]
THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE CONFEDERACY said that
1: He defines slavery as "subordination to the superior race"
2: "the negro is not equal to the white man"
and
3:The government they planned to establish "The first [government] in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth," which of course was the idea of White Supremacy. Notice he said "first" as in, The United States as it existed just wasn't racist enough for people in the confederacy.
Tell me all you want, but prominent Southerners have proudly admitted the racism of their region over and over again in the past. Now that racism isn't en vogue you can't just rewrite history to make it seem like it was just as bad everywhere, and that there was no struggle to maintain a racist society in the south. But there was.
You seem personally offended by this, but I am not saying all southerners are racist, the south just has a history of institutional racism that is undeniable, and clearly worse than the Northern or Western region of the United States. You can keep trying to twist it, and name call all you want, but the facts will remain. I could show you 1000 examples of why the south was worse.
Just give me one example of how the north was bad, make it objective, thats all I have asked. Show instances of more crime in any way towards African-Americans in the north, show more poverty, more unjust imprisonment, just show something that might offset the fact that more race riots and lynchings occurred in the south, and that according to its Vice-President, they attempted to be the first nation in the world that based its government off of the idea of white supremacy.
Don't get mad that I'm framing the debate, just answer to my charges and give me something that isn't laughable, a fallacy, or some little trick aimed at changing the focus of the debate, and you can prove your point. But saying "well this was bad too!" will never prove that it is worse, especially when the other side has conceded that their side had flaws too.
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