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The Brian Jonestown Massacre is going to sue me
« on: March 23, 2009, 12:27:36 PM »
I posted this link saying it was a new song by Anton Newcombe http://thewillpower.org/enter.html A few days later I saw I was banned and wrote them and asked why.This was my answer.


"Because, you idiot- you posted a link to pornography on our forum.
While we are not offended by it it is pretty inappropriate and illegal.  You could get us into a lot of trouble and have the whole forum shut down by bypassing the legal protocol of having someone confirm that they are over 18 years old before viewing pornographic material. What you did allowed an under age BJM fan to come to our forum, unwittingly click on a link that they think is music and then they view pornography. 

Not smart dude.

Plus, you said that it was the latest work of Anton.  By associating that with Anton could possibly be construed as defamation of character- something you proclaimed to a whole bunch of people on our forum.  Anton's pretty pissed off and you'll be lucky if he and his lawyers don't pursue you on this charge. We have your address and your email address so it won't be hard to find you if this is the case. 

Again, not smart dude.

Please stay away- we are only interested in creative, positive discussions about music and the like.

You blew it.

People like yourself are your own worst enemy. What an ass.

the committee to keep music evil"


Here is their forum if you want to become a member http://keepmusicevil.freeforums.org/
"You were such a shitty parent that your kid couldn't even make it to term A guy who killed his child before it could be born because he was so shitty didn't do anything wrong.You know how the rest of us became positive members of society BY NOT BEING PIECES OF SHIT IN THE FIRST PLACE"-Ronald Reagon

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Re: The Brian Jonestown Massacre is going to sue me
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2009, 12:29:35 PM »
fuck
It was seriously like seeing Jesus on a skateboard.

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Re: The Brian Jonestown Massacre is going to sue me
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2009, 12:29:54 PM »
what a bunch of evil pussys

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Re: The Brian Jonestown Massacre is going to sue me
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2009, 12:46:28 PM »
Berra did the same to me and you guys were laughing your asses off.

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Re: The Brian Jonestown Massacre is going to sue me
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2009, 12:53:05 PM »
Holy shit!  If you're a member of that board, you must be familiar with the oddity known as wintersox.  Are you?  Dude's a fucking weirdo.

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Re: The Brian Jonestown Massacre is going to sue me
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2009, 01:05:03 PM »
cigs, they can't sue you for shit. Scary Mr. Anton could get every lawyer in the country to take a look at the case and he'd be laughed out of their offices.

Pretty fucked up that a site called "Keep Music Evil" can't take one of the oldest jokes on the web. Anyway, sleep deeply  knowing they aren't going to do shit to you.

"By associating that with Anton could possibly be construed as defamation of character-"
...false, and a common reaction by those who want to scare people. The fact that you did it in jest alone puts you well within fair use (as far as using his name). You're free to parody.

Are they all uptight like that over there?

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Re: The Brian Jonestown Massacre is going to sue me
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2009, 01:09:23 PM »
fuckin sucks!
sounds like something that would happen to me. ....or larry david
would you rather hear "woo" from the omar salazar pack? i wouldn't. their "yeahs" are genuine, and cool. "yeah" has been the battle cry of skaters for as long as i can remember.

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Re: The Brian Jonestown Massacre is going to sue me
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2009, 01:12:46 PM »
have you seen DiG! ? Anton is insane.

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Re: The Brian Jonestown Massacre is going to sue me
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2009, 01:15:31 PM »
bummer!

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Re: The Brian Jonestown Massacre is going to sue me
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2009, 01:16:32 PM »
I seriously doubt they have a lawyer on retainer.
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Re: The Brian Jonestown Massacre is going to sue me
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2009, 01:39:50 PM »
cigs, they can't sue you for shit. Scary Mr. Anton could get every lawyer in the country to take a look at the case and he'd be laughed out of their offices.

Pretty fucked up that a site called "Keep Music Evil" can't take one of the oldest jokes on the web. Anyway, sleep deeply  knowing they aren't going to do shit to you.

"By associating that with Anton could possibly be construed as defamation of character-"
...false, and a common reaction by those who want to scare people. The fact that you did it in jest alone puts you well within fair use (as far as using his name). You're free to parody.

Are they all uptight like that over there?

Yeah they're a bunch of weird kids who worship a guy with severe mental problems. I just joined to ask where to download the music for free because Mr. Anton is always claiming he gives his music away for free on the internet. I was looking up what exactly defamation of character is and found this

"The term defamation of character is often used to describe accusations of slander, libel or both. Slander involves verbal derogatory statements, while libel involves written ones. In a court of law, the plaintiff pursuing the lawsuit would charge defamation of character to cover any form of false or damaging allegations.

Defamation of character is notoriously difficult to prove in court, although the actual effects can be quite evident and damaging. If a disgruntled customer of a restaurant tells numerous people that the head chef has AIDS, for example, sales for that restaurant could fall and the employee might lose his job or find it difficult to work. Because the customer's slanderous statement concerns a specific person and an unproven accusation, the chef may have a legitimate case of defamation of character.

The main problem with proving defamation of character is the protection of free speech guaranteed by the First Amendment. Courts generally agree that an opinion, no matter how malicious, is not the same as a stated fact. If the disgruntled customer had said "Don't eat at Joe's Cafe. I think the food is lousy and the chef is sick," then defamation of character would be difficult to prove. Other people can still form different opinions. Once the customer said "Don't eat at Joe's Cafe. I know the chef and he has AIDS," then a statement of fact has occurred and a claim of defamation of character can be pursued.

Another problem concerning defamation of character is the actual truth of the statement. Some may argue that in order for defamation of character to occur, the alleged victim actually has to have character to defame in the first place. Calling a known neighborhood bully a 'thug' in the local paper wouldn't qualify as defamation of character, because it isn't a statement against fact. The truth is, the truthfulness of the statement isn't always a factor in actual court proceedings. In our hypothetical case, the court would assume the chef does not in fact have AIDS and the defendant knew this at the time the statements were made.

Very few defamation of character lawsuits actually reach the level of a court trial. Many are settled privately, in order to avoid even more damage from publicity. Since actual damages must be demonstrated, some cases are dismissed because the statements or accusations do not rise to the level of actual slander or libel. Hurt feelings or a loss of social standing may not reach the legal definition of damages. What few defamation of character cases do reach the court system are usually local in nature, such as a city councilman suing his local newspaper for implying he accepted a bribe.

In our case of the chef and the disgruntled customer, damages could most likely be demonstrated by restaurant sales records and testimony from other customers who heard the slanderous statements firsthand. Even if medical tests revealed that the chef did indeed have a medical condition, that fact alone would not mitigate the customer's obvious malicious intent. The customer was not working in the public's best interest at the time. Under these circumstances, the court would most likely find in favor of the plaintiff and order the defendant to pay punitive damages.

This is generally the same legal mechanism which allows celebrities to successfully sue tabloid publications. A truthful but malicious statement can still be considered defamation of character under the right circumstances."

As far as I can tell I'm not guilty of this. All I said is "hey guys here's a link to his new song" and posted the link.

Here's Anton having a Corey Duffel moment
"You were such a shitty parent that your kid couldn't even make it to term A guy who killed his child before it could be born because he was so shitty didn't do anything wrong.You know how the rest of us became positive members of society BY NOT BEING PIECES OF SHIT IN THE FIRST PLACE"-Ronald Reagon

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Re: The Brian Jonestown Massacre is going to sue me
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2009, 01:46:25 PM »
no way in hell that dude would sue you.  if he was sue happy, i'm sure he would have sued the multitudes of people that have ripped him off over the years.  it's probably just their web dude getting his panties in a bunch.

he's an awesome musician, but such a fucking crackhead

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Re: The Brian Jonestown Massacre is going to sue me
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2009, 01:49:57 PM »
no way in hell that dude would sue you.  if he was sue happy, i'm sure he would have sued the multitudes of people that have ripped him off over the years.  it's probably just their web dude getting his panties in a bunch.

he's an awesome musician, but such a fucking crackhead

He actually is addicted to crack according to my friend who is in a band with Matt Hollywood.

Edit. Is that defamation of character again?
« Last Edit: March 23, 2009, 01:52:28 PM by cigarettebeer »
"You were such a shitty parent that your kid couldn't even make it to term A guy who killed his child before it could be born because he was so shitty didn't do anything wrong.You know how the rest of us became positive members of society BY NOT BEING PIECES OF SHIT IN THE FIRST PLACE"-Ronald Reagon

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Re: The Brian Jonestown Massacre is going to sue me
« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2009, 01:56:06 PM »
no way in hell that dude would sue you.  if he was sue happy, i'm sure he would have sued the multitudes of people that have ripped him off over the years.  it's probably just their web dude getting his panties in a bunch.

he's an awesome musician, but such a fucking crackhead

He actually is addicted to crack according to my friend who is in a band with Matt Hollywood.

Edit. Is that defamation of character again?

no its true.  My old band played a bunch of shows with Joel Gion's band and he said the exact same thing.  I guess crack is better than heroin? 

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Re: The Brian Jonestown Massacre is going to sue me
« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2009, 01:57:12 PM »
fuck racists
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Re: The Brian Jonestown Massacre is going to sue me
« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2009, 02:28:47 PM »
no way in hell that dude would sue you.  if he was sue happy, i'm sure he would have sued the multitudes of people that have ripped him off over the years.  it's probably just their web dude getting his panties in a bunch.

he's an awesome musician, but such a fucking crackhead

He actually is addicted to crack according to my friend who is in a band with Matt Hollywood.

Edit. Is that defamation of character again?

no its true.  My old band played a bunch of shows with Joel Gion's band and he said the exact same thing.  I guess crack is better than heroin? 

Crack and heroin go together like Bert and Ernie. Often addicts have a preference but will do both. I like his music but what a tool.
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Re: The Brian Jonestown Massacre is going to sue me
« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2009, 05:57:15 PM »
All the bullshit aside I like their music , some of it

Hope they dont sure you

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Re: The Brian Jonestown Massacre is going to sue me
« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2009, 06:06:45 PM »
Anton Newcombe is a pussy and a total wreck. Fuck him.
I hope you don't get sued. That guy may have some good music but he's a fucking prick.

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Re: The Brian Jonestown Massacre is going to sue me
« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2009, 07:25:28 PM »
i hope he kills you
I;m sure i;m not the only dc/monster/subaru type guy here

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Re: The Brian Jonestown Massacre is going to sue me
« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2009, 07:29:48 PM »
tone it town, absurdicon. your headphones around your neck might fall off

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Re: The Brian Jonestown Massacre is going to sue me
« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2009, 07:37:25 PM »
Are you in the same state?  I'd imagine it would be pretty much impossible to do anything if you weren't.  Anyway it's not like that guy has any money or the mental stability to follow through with anything.  And did you meatspin them?  If it was meatspin or some similar sight it seems like it would be their fault for not having age verification. 

Besides all that, just because something happened with your account doesn't mean they can prove it was you.  Just say some total meany jerk friend was over and you left your account signed on.

Or you could go to one of his shows and provoke a temper tantrum, get kicked in the face by him, then see who's suing who.

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Re: The Brian Jonestown Massacre is going to sue me
« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2009, 04:48:15 AM »
So...when do we begin bombarding their forum with fake accounts? Does someone give us a signal or...?

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Re: The Brian Jonestown Massacre is going to sue me
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Re: The Brian Jonestown Massacre is going to sue me
« Reply #23 on: March 24, 2009, 07:30:18 AM »
They're playing a show here soon, I want to send that link to the radio station promoting it.
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Re: The Brian Jonestown Massacre is going to sue me
« Reply #24 on: March 24, 2009, 07:31:59 AM »
Careful, he's an outsider!  He's living outside the realm of conventional society, playing by his own rules, kicking out the jams, I mean teeth. 

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Re: The Brian Jonestown Massacre is going to sue me
« Reply #25 on: March 24, 2009, 07:45:20 AM »
I heard of a band called Caninus where the lead singer is a dog that growls into a microphone.  That's how you break down Mike V's walls of conformity and reach new heights of polio inducing musical sonictude.

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Re: The Brian Jonestown Massacre is going to sue me
« Reply #26 on: March 24, 2009, 08:13:25 AM »
Careful, he's an outsider!  He's living outside the realm of conventional society, playing by his own rules, kicking out the jams, I mean teeth. 

I just don't get how people get away with playing hippie music that was boring in the first place and act like they're doing something new or dangerous.

the human ego is a hell of a drug

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Re: The Brian Jonestown Massacre is going to sue me
« Reply #27 on: April 06, 2009, 11:59:29 AM »
Holy shit!  If you're a member of that board, you must be familiar with the oddity known as wintersox.  Are you?  Dude's a fucking weirdo.

Yes, the best art and rock and roll.  Anton and Wintersox make the best art and rock and roll.  Get it right.  You people talking shit ride around on skateboards and think that gives you a right to talk shit about the great artists?  Well, I promise you that you all have your character flaws too.  It's funny that you ignore everything that Anton does right.  Fuck you guys.  I know better.  All you talking shit are gonna thank Anton and Wintersox before you ever do anything remotely wonderful.
 
I make the best art and rock and roll ever.  You don't do shit.  You can't even watch the art being presented.  Not gonna fool me.  Not gonna fool Anton either.

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« Reply #29 on: April 06, 2009, 12:17:05 PM »
WTF is going on here?