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i've got a buddy who has been doing them for years, insisting that they're hardflips. Everyone we skate with has gotten over trying to tell him that his board isn't flippping. Its funny though, when he plays skate against some young kid and pulls one out and the kid says "dude, that's a pressure flip or illusion flip, shit didn't flip." Dude gets all pissy and spouts off about kids not knowing anything these days. hahah, good call