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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #840 on: March 28, 2018, 09:09:42 AM »
Lock ins are the worst. Because they are asymmetrical they arenít balanced properly. More wheel material outside of the bearing on one side than the other, makes them wear your inner bearings faster and also makes them slightly pull inwards, sort of like driving a car without balanced tires. Also slows you down. Youíll definitely notice what I mean if you think about it and pay attention.

Looks pretty balanced to me, would you rather the seat be centered under the riding surface?
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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #841 on: March 28, 2018, 11:12:42 AM »
Lock ins are the worst. Because they are asymmetrical they aren’t balanced properly. More wheel material outside of the bearing on one side than the other, makes them wear your inner bearings faster and also makes them slightly pull inwards, sort of like driving a car without balanced tires. Also slows you down. You’ll definitely notice what I mean if you think about it and pay attention.

Looks pretty balanced to me, would you rather the seat be centered under the riding surface?
Naw I’m just fucking around with everyone’s gear madness dropping misinformation, I pulled that shit out of my ass. I thought it was robs setup with the lock-ins. I am full of shit.
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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #842 on: March 28, 2018, 07:46:11 PM »
This is my first set of Lock-Ins, so I will def keep that in consideration. I know the outer edge of the wheel sticks out a bit. However the bearing seats have the same depth and appear centered, so it may not be much of an issue. I also don't mind riding them with the flat side out if they start coning later on. If my bearings explode, I'll report back...

Oh, and I put my trucks up against a pair of Thunder 147's and the Aces look a little shorter, which makes me think they are under 8". (Not by much though)

Thanks, you saved me some money

Iím kinda iffy about my trucks being too small cause even though it does, I get the feeling I wonít get enough truck to grind on things even though Luan and other size 8 truck riders are ripping
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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #843 on: March 30, 2018, 06:00:27 PM »
Set up a new board and cleaned up the bushings and pivot cups on the trucks while I was at it as they were squealing and creaking like a hoard of banshees with every turn.  Rubbed a little wax to the pivot nipple (?) and the tops (Bones yellow) and bottoms (Ace)of the bushings - st  Everything feels way better since - fast, snappy, true and silent.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #844 on: April 01, 2018, 08:01:49 PM »
Iíve got a strange curiousity about trying 44ís on an 8Ē deck. I mean I ride 03ís on 8-8.25Ē no issue, but I feel like maybe the wider axle will have some benefits I might not get from the 03/33ís.
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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #845 on: April 01, 2018, 11:01:13 PM »
Iíve got a strange curiousity about trying 44ís on an 8Ē deck. I mean I ride 03ís on 8-8.25Ē no issue, but I feel like maybe the wider axle will have some benefits I might not get from the 03/33ís.

Thatís what Iíve been rocking, itís a little hefty but it feels solid

Iím not really into riding my trucks a tad slimmer than 8 cause Iím a kook who can feel the tippy magic carpet with 7.8/7.6 trucks on an 8 ish deck
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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #846 on: April 01, 2018, 11:26:35 PM »
Guys......that's kinda gross.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #847 on: April 02, 2018, 05:49:53 AM »
44s on an 8 looks and feels fine. I say go for it.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #848 on: April 02, 2018, 12:17:21 PM »
Yeah just don't run any washers on the inside and you'll be good. My friend has them on 8.12s and it looks perfectly flush, I doubt an 8 would be much different.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #849 on: April 04, 2018, 04:37:13 AM »
Tried all-stock on the new 44.
The first session was horrible, but now it's perfect.
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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #850 on: April 04, 2018, 05:48:56 AM »
Alright someone convince me, I currently ride thunder 149 team, bones bushings soft tell me why I should switch to Ace 44?

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #851 on: April 04, 2018, 06:20:29 AM »
Alright someone convince me, I currently ride thunder 149 team, bones bushings soft tell me why I should switch to Ace 44?

Aceís have a more organic feel to the way they function, they bend to your whim if that makes any sense. It feels more like you are connected to your setup, and it is an extension of your body.

They are that reactionary and precise. Thunders turn beautifully, and tight, but I still feel they are slightly limited. I also personally get vicious wheelbite with thunders (although I do love them as well).
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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #852 on: April 04, 2018, 06:26:59 AM »
Alright someone convince me, I currently ride thunder 149 team, bones bushings soft tell me why I should switch to Ace 44?

Aceís have a more organic feel to the way they function, they bend to your whim if that makes any sense. It feels more like you are connected to your setup, and it is an extension of your body.

They are that reactionary and precise. Thunders turn beautifully, and tight, but I still feel they are slightly limited. I also personally get vicious wheelbite with thunders (although I do love them as well).

Yeah I get that with thunders, do I need to change bushings thou? I like riding loose

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #853 on: April 04, 2018, 08:05:28 AM »
No real need to change bushings to be perfectly honest. I personally do just because I like a specific durometer, but itís entirely unnecessary.
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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #854 on: April 04, 2018, 08:43:28 AM »
Alright someone convince me, I currently ride thunder 149 team, bones bushings soft tell me why I should switch to Ace 44?

Aceís have a more organic feel to the way they function, they bend to your whim if that makes any sense. It feels more like you are connected to your setup, and it is an extension of your body.

They are that reactionary and precise. Thunders turn beautifully, and tight, but I still feel they are slightly limited. I also personally get vicious wheelbite with thunders (although I do love them as well).

Yeah I get that with thunders, do I need to change bushings thou? I like riding loose

Breaking in takes a while but after that you'll be golden. This was the case with the old trucks at least. Dunno personally if anything changed with the new refresh. Someone else might be able to comment on that.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #855 on: April 04, 2018, 09:47:34 AM »
Alright someone convince me, I currently ride thunder 149 team, bones bushings soft tell me why I should switch to Ace 44?

Aceís have a more organic feel to the way they function, they bend to your whim if that makes any sense. It feels more like you are connected to your setup, and it is an extension of your body.

They are that reactionary and precise. Thunders turn beautifully, and tight, but I still feel they are slightly limited. I also personally get vicious wheelbite with thunders (although I do love them as well).

Yeah I get that with thunders, do I need to change bushings thou? I like riding loose

Breaking in takes a while but after that you'll be golden. This was the case with the old trucks at least. Dunno personally if anything changed with the new refresh. Someone else might be able to comment on that.

The Ace trucks branded as "Classic" are essentially the same V2 trucks with new bushings.  The bottom bushing is now softer and feels perfectly broken in on the first session. 

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #856 on: April 05, 2018, 03:31:05 PM »
Alright someone convince me, I currently ride thunder 149 team, bones bushings soft tell me why I should switch to Ace 44?

Aceís have a more organic feel to the way they function, they bend to your whim if that makes any sense. It feels more like you are connected to your setup, and it is an extension of your body.

They are that reactionary and precise. Thunders turn beautifully, and tight, but I still feel they are slightly limited. I also personally get vicious wheelbite with thunders (although I do love them as well).

Yeah I get that with thunders, do I need to change bushings thou? I like riding loose

I just swapped from thunders to aces, but aside from the reduced wheelbite there are too many other variables I changed up to be comparing apples with apples (all round 1/4 inch larger setup). They do seem to have a wider turning arc. I kept the bushings stock but had to wind the nuts until the nylon was almost off the kingpin thread before I got them what I would consider loose

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #857 on: April 10, 2018, 07:57:39 PM »
I did it, Yeah :) After reading the entire 29 pages (starting Nov 2010 ... thanks to formeitscrazylike who started this... till now) for the last 5 days ... I am in ;) I love riding pools and in Austria we don't get ACE Trucks in the shop. I got completely hooked on them :)

Just a short summary for people who don't have the passion or time to read all this: For my 8,75" Board the best would be the new 55 (no 44!?! ... they call them classics?! ...from late 2017?! ... how do I now if they are really the new ones if I by them online?) with pivot cups from riptide (is there a special size which fits best?) or Khiro (small and soft) and bushings from Krux (do I still need the the bushings and pivot cups for the new ACEīs?).

Would give the OJ Plain Jane Keyframe II 87a 54mm a try (are they any good? POWELL PERALTA G-SLIDES 56mm 85A I think they are to wide... like soft wheels, Ricta Clouds 55mm 86A are the shit ... love them ;) )

By the way the question about the new stock bushing set up by ACE ,if it should not the other way around (hard for bottom, soft on top), was never answered? Any news on this one guys?

So I am ready to roll and to order. Thought about ordering it from Tactics. They ship for free in the US and a friend of mine can bring me the stuff in 3 weeks to Austria. Only thing is that Tactics don't have riptide pivot cups. Any other online shop, you guys can recommend, which should have all the stuff in stock?

Thanks a lot and I really enjoyed the discussion ;) To be continued :)

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #858 on: April 10, 2018, 08:09:14 PM »
The hard tops offer fast small adjustment rebound with the carve-surfy like softness of the barrel. It would make sense for the top to be softer. I have the Venom SHR conical street bushings and the bottom cone is the exact length compared to stock barrel, with tops being slightly smaller. Having a flat washer both on top and bottom offer non restrictive, super loose but responsive turn.
Highly suggest the combo. Very close to the new stocks but very different feel.
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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #859 on: April 10, 2018, 09:02:00 PM »
had a great session on them today.  With the new bushings they're officially my favorite trucks that I've ever skated.  absolute turning bliss

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« Reply #860 on: April 11, 2018, 12:55:43 AM »
The new bushings, while better than the old bushings, don't get loose enough for me even with the kingpin nut finger tight. So I switched back to Krux tops and don't regret it one bit it just feels so right...

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #861 on: April 11, 2018, 05:00:35 PM »
After digging around on the net for discussions on hard bottoms/soft tops and vice versa, my theory crafting and personal experience with mix/matching bushings...I've only come up with:

Soft bottoms w/a hard top:
Soft Bottoms provide a surfy feel (fast compression of the hanger resulting in a quick turn) and harder tops provide a quicker rebound/snap to center.

Soft Bottoms would logically be less stable on center.

Hard bottoms w/a soft top:
Hard bottoms provide a slower compression of the hanger thereby a slower longer turn/carve (more weight/leverage is needed over time) and soft tops equate to slower rebound/snap to center...

Hard Bottoms would logically be more stable on center.

Random shit:

Every soft top below 85a (that wasn't insert style ala Bones or Khiro) paired with a harder bottom I've fucking destroyed with how loose I ride (tho even the 73 white, Red and yellow tops Khiro inserts got mangled in my ACES)..

I need my trucks loose, even on center, loose trucks is how I 'get' to center as odd as that may be (most people can't roll a couple of feet without falling off my ride or getting wheel bite.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #862 on: April 12, 2018, 07:05:16 AM »
I just ordered some of the new bushings off the Ace site.  Weather here has been pretty terrible.  In addition to that, I have a pretty big gig backing up a songwriter at a State Theater, so I told myself I wouldn't skate until after that show, which is this Saturday.  Looking forward to checking them out and skating again.

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« Reply #863 on: April 12, 2018, 09:20:18 AM »
Yesterday I threw in some 84a barrels on a flat washer and an 88a top (closest I could get to the ACE duros, and they different urethane so there's that), tried a 90a top and with was too stiff, 88a was much better.

Overall, it was tighter than what I normally ride (been rocking bones softs/85a all around in Theeve and Indy of late), more stable on center and has sort of a smooth looseness too them, tho that just might be the turn rather than the bushings....at 170lbs, the bones softs are super loose, unstable, wheelbite prone and difficult to keep on center for anyone riding my board other than me :)

That said, they were sort of comfy but again, that just might be the feel of ACES vs. the rest.
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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #864 on: April 12, 2018, 11:06:47 AM »
The new stock bushings seem to help reduce wheelbite also. I've been riding 55mm wheels, no risers and kingpin nut flush with kingpin on a 8.5" board and 44s with no significant wheel bite issues and I'm 200lbs.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #865 on: April 12, 2018, 01:25:37 PM »
If anyone tries out the new ACE bushings and doesn't like them I'll take them off your hands!

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #866 on: April 12, 2018, 09:18:52 PM »
If anyone tries out the new ACE bushings and doesn't like them I'll take them off your hands!

This is encouraging.  I live in central MI and have gained 10 pounds over the last winter...  I'm sitting around 195 these days and thought that the previous Ace bushings got a hair too soft once broken in.  Psyched to try them out. 

Xen, if these don't work out I'll send them your way.  Trying these to exhaust the urge to go back to Indy's w/ aftermarket Indy bushings. 

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #867 on: April 13, 2018, 04:16:24 AM »
If anyone tries out the new ACE bushings and doesn't like them I'll take them off your hands!

This is encouraging.  I live in central MI and have gained 10 pounds over the last winter...  I'm sitting around 195 these days and thought that the previous Ace bushings got a hair too soft once broken in.  Psyched to try them out. 

Xen, if these don't work out I'll send them your way.  Trying these to exhaust the urge to go back to Indy's w/ aftermarket Indy bushings.


Just a heads up on my experience with them this week.  They immediately feel broken in but like most bushings it takes around 3 sessions for them to settle in so the rebound is there.  After that, you're golden

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #868 on: April 13, 2018, 06:35:14 AM »
If anyone tries out the new ACE bushings and doesn't like them I'll take them off your hands!

This is encouraging.  I live in central MI and have gained 10 pounds over the last winter...  I'm sitting around 195 these days and thought that the previous Ace bushings got a hair too soft once broken in.  Psyched to try them out. 

Xen, if these don't work out I'll send them your way.  Trying these to exhaust the urge to go back to Indy's w/ aftermarket Indy bushings.


Just a heads up on my experience with them this week.  They immediately feel broken in but like most bushings it takes around 3 sessions for them to settle in so the rebound is there.  After that, you're golden

Good to know.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #869 on: April 13, 2018, 01:25:35 PM »
I did it, Yeah :) ... To be continued :)

Just a heads up - if you don't mind ordering from them, both titus and blue tomato stock ace.

edit: got the new aces and they feel heavier (due to the hanger being thicker) but more solid. And the new stock bushings are amazing! It took me forever to break in the old ones, but the new ones felt good right away and broken in after two days skating.
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