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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #870 on: April 14, 2018, 04:51:53 PM »
Meanwhile, shredders like McClain and Stranger throw Bones and call it a day...

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« Reply #871 on: April 15, 2018, 02:53:12 AM »
Meanwhile, shredders like McClain and Stranger throw Bones and call it a day...

I feel like once someone's at that level of skating, they can practically skate any setup without any serious madness.

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« Reply #872 on: April 15, 2018, 04:42:35 PM »
Meanwhile, shredders like McClain and Stranger throw Bones and call it a day...

I feel like once someone's at that level of skating, they can practically skate any setup without any serious madness.

Sure, but they choose bones for a reason, McClain is obvious, as I'm sure they float him some in his monthly box of product.

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« Reply #873 on: April 16, 2018, 04:29:13 AM »
Been loving my new Set of 44's & 55's. the bushings are heaven. the truck's pivot cup is much more durable than previous iterations. Normally i'd blow thru the pivot cup within one session. but now it has lasted much longer than that and going thru almost a month and half.

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« Reply #874 on: April 17, 2018, 03:49:39 PM »
Has anyone ordered from Ace's site directly before?  I placed an order 5 days ago and haven't gotten a shipping notification.  Is Nicky Diamonds too busy doing it "for the 'gram" to catch up on orders?

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« Reply #875 on: April 17, 2018, 05:02:29 PM »
I think they have a whole new team of dudes doing shipping and organizing now, maybe hit them up ?

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« Reply #876 on: April 17, 2018, 05:30:37 PM »
I think they have a whole new team of dudes doing shipping and organizing now, maybe hit them up ?

I shot them an email shortly after this post.  No word yet, but I wouldn't have opted for upgraded USPS had I known.  Where I live we had a fucking ice storm over the weekend for 3 days straight and more snow accumulation, so it's not like I'll be able to skate until this weekend at the VERY, very earliest.  Itching to try them and hate shitty customer service.

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« Reply #877 on: April 17, 2018, 06:46:55 PM »
Had a couple of beverages and ordered some Ace 66's for a cruiser I'm setting up. Did I fuck up going for 66's on a 9.25?
I ordered some keyframes too so if they stick out all crazy like I can put them on another skinny cruiser I have

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #878 on: April 17, 2018, 09:23:05 PM »
yo 30 pages is a lot, I skate thunders now and they just dont feel high enough, wheel bite, breaking, etc.  I mostly skate street and skate my trucks a little on the tighter side.  I like the quick turning of thunders wile still having control would aces compare? or are they pretty loosey goosey. 

I have never been happy with a truck and I feel if i keep trying to find the perfect truck my madness will go through the roof instead of just learning to be fine with indy or thunder.
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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #879 on: April 17, 2018, 09:54:16 PM »
yo 30 pages is a lot, I skate thunders now and they just dont feel high enough, wheel bite, breaking, etc.  I mostly skate street and skate my trucks a little on the tighter side.  I like the quick turning of thunders wile still having control would aces compare? or are they pretty loosey goosey. 

I have never been happy with a truck and I feel if i keep trying to find the perfect truck my madness will go through the roof instead of just learning to be fine with indy or thunder.

Though Aces are often skated loose, I skated mine tight for a while and found them to be quite good too. A few of my friends skate tech ledge shit on their 7.75s and Ace 33s tight and they seem to find it fine too. Going from Thunders my only concern would be the fact that they shrink your wheelbase quite a lot and that might throw you off a bit, or it could be completely fine.

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« Reply #880 on: April 18, 2018, 11:01:59 AM »
yo 30 pages is a lot, I skate thunders now and they just dont feel high enough, wheel bite, breaking, etc.  I mostly skate street and skate my trucks a little on the tighter side.  I like the quick turning of thunders wile still having control would aces compare? or are they pretty loosey goosey. 

I have never been happy with a truck and I feel if i keep trying to find the perfect truck my madness will go through the roof instead of just learning to be fine with indy or thunder.

Though Aces are often skated loose, I skated mine tight for a while and found them to be quite good too. A few of my friends skate tech ledge shit on their 7.75s and Ace 33s tight and they seem to find it fine too. Going from Thunders my only concern would be the fact that they shrink your wheelbase quite a lot and that might throw you off a bit, or it could be completely fine.

Thank you, yea that would probably bother me too much, maybe some day I'll try em out.
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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #881 on: April 18, 2018, 11:16:04 AM »
yo 30 pages is a lot, I skate thunders now and they just dont feel high enough, wheel bite, breaking, etc.  I mostly skate street and skate my trucks a little on the tighter side.  I like the quick turning of thunders wile still having control would aces compare? or are they pretty loosey goosey. 

I have never been happy with a truck and I feel if i keep trying to find the perfect truck my madness will go through the roof instead of just learning to be fine with indy or thunder.

Depending on which Thunders you skate: the 149s are 52.3mm (forged plates) +1mm for cast plates.

ACE's, if their new numbers are to be trusted are 52mm, w/cast plates....

Comparing these two trucks is the old apples and oranges scenario, they provide a completely different feel. It's discussed, at length, in these 30 plus pages:

ACE are more like Theeve/Indy than they are like Thunder/Venture. There really doesn't seem to be a perfect middle ground between the carve vs. lean camp (Perhaps that's what we're all after :P), but for me, Theeve are the closest to the best of both worlds I can find.




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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #882 on: April 18, 2018, 11:19:13 AM »
for me, Theeve are the closest to the best of both worlds
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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #883 on: April 19, 2018, 01:20:35 AM »
404 error on the shipping info(or lack there of). Nevertheless got the package in 3 days on base non upgraded shipping!

Can attest to the quality of the new bushings. I fully back the new bushings but the pivot cups still need some improvements. After session 3 the cups were split and cracked. For optimal looseness, flat washers top and bottom did the trick.

How does one fix the loose kingpin problem?? Shits getting too rowdy down there!

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #884 on: April 19, 2018, 01:58:41 AM »
404 error on the shipping info(or lack there of). Nevertheless got the package in 3 days on base non upgraded shipping!

Can attest to the quality of the new bushings. I fully back the new bushings but the pivot cups still need some improvements. After session 3 the cups were split and cracked. For optimal looseness, flat washers top and bottom did the trick.

How does one fix the loose kingpin problem?? Shits getting too rowdy down there!

  • Hammer the kingpin out
  • Put some “steel epoxy” (like JB Weld) in the kingpin hole
  • Hammer the kingpin back in
  • Let it dry
  • Never worry about your kingpin getting loose again

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #885 on: April 19, 2018, 02:00:13 AM »
404 error on the shipping info(or lack there of). Nevertheless got the package in 3 days on base non upgraded shipping!

Can attest to the quality of the new bushings. I fully back the new bushings but the pivot cups still need some improvements. After session 3 the cups were split and cracked. For optimal looseness, flat washers top and bottom did the trick.

How does one fix the loose kingpin problem?? Shits getting too rowdy down there!

  • Hammer the kingpin out
  • Put some “steel epoxy” (like JB Weld) in the kingpin hole
  • Hammer the kingpin back in
  • Let it dry
  • Never worry about your kingpin getting loose again

You're the fuckin man

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« Reply #886 on: April 19, 2018, 04:28:22 AM »
For everyone with pivot cup issues, if you're using the stock bushings, add a drop of speed cream, bike chain lube or armorall to the pivot cup and then put the hanger back on.  A lot of Ace pivot cups are blowing out before you can break them in.  This will help them break in quickly before they crack and then you should be good.

If you're using different bushings/washers, it changes the pivot angle and they're going to blow out no matter what.  you might even blow out the actual baseplate which I've seen with people using bones

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« Reply #887 on: April 19, 2018, 05:15:11 AM »
404 error on the shipping info(or lack there of). Nevertheless got the package in 3 days on base non upgraded shipping!

Can attest to the quality of the new bushings. I fully back the new bushings but the pivot cups still need some improvements. After session 3 the cups were split and cracked. For optimal looseness, flat washers top and bottom did the trick.

How does one fix the loose kingpin problem?? Shits getting too rowdy down there!

  • Hammer the kingpin out
  • Put some “steel epoxy” (like JB Weld) in the kingpin hole
  • Hammer the kingpin back in
  • Let it dry
  • Never worry about your kingpin getting loose again

You're the fuckin man

Also remember to be careful not to bend the baseplate when hammering. Support it properly so that it rests on the part surrounding the kingpin hole when hammering it back in and not any other part. Aluminum is soft and can bend quite easily. Also good to use a big bolt or an extra kingpin to help you hammer the kingpin back in cuz it goes below the line of the baseplate. And when hammering the kingpin out, keep the bolt on so you won’t fuck up the threads. All in all pretty simple but there are some chances for fucking up if you just start doing and don’t think ahead.  :)

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #888 on: April 19, 2018, 06:47:37 AM »
For everyone with pivot cup issues, if you're using the stock bushings, add a drop of speed cream, bike chain lube or armorall to the pivot cup and then put the hanger back on.  A lot of Ace pivot cups are blowing out before you can break them in.  This will help them break in quickly before they crack and then you should be good.

If you're using different bushings/washers, it changes the pivot angle and they're going to blow out no matter what.  you might even blow out the actual baseplate which I've seen with people using bones

When I try the liquid lube it works, but then goes back to hella squeaky in a few weeks. I tried auto grease and it's still working great a couple months later. I just wiped a tiny but on with a q-tip and cleaned up any squeeze out.

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« Reply #889 on: April 20, 2018, 10:28:44 AM »
yo 30 pages is a lot, I skate thunders now and they just dont feel high enough, wheel bite, breaking, etc.  I mostly skate street and skate my trucks a little on the tighter side.  I like the quick turning of thunders wile still having control would aces compare? or are they pretty loosey goosey. 

I have never been happy with a truck and I feel if i keep trying to find the perfect truck my madness will go through the roof instead of just learning to be fine with indy or thunder.

Depending on which Thunders you skate: the 149s are 52.3mm (forged plates) +1mm for cast plates.

ACE's, if their new numbers are to be trusted are 52mm, w/cast plates....

Comparing these two trucks is the old apples and oranges scenario, they provide a completely different feel. It's discussed, at length, in these 30 plus pages:

ACE are more like Theeve/Indy than they are like Thunder/Venture. There really doesn't seem to be a perfect middle ground between the carve vs. lean camp (Perhaps that's what we're all after :P), but for me, Theeve are the closest to the best of both worlds I can find.

Thanks, just wanted to point out ventures are much more similar to indys than thunders, and wouldnt really put them next to eachother besides being dlx.

I have a friend who got theeves awhile ago and said to me "I know they look stupid, but this is exactly how I want a truck to feel and i finally have it"
only in skateboarding is putting an adult in a position where they might have to actually work for their income "ruining their life"  ::)

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #890 on: April 22, 2018, 01:33:16 PM »
Well, after finally getting out for the first time in 6 months (fucked up the outside side of my foot and winter here lasted almost 6 months), I don't think Ace's are for me.  I put the new Ace bushings in them, and while they turn great and feel awesome, at 6'3" and being out of shape, they don't feel stable enough for me while setting up for/landing tricks.  I know my balance is not on point yet, but I'm going back to Indy and the thought of breaking in new trucks is maddening to me, but I think it needs to happen.  If I ever set up a cruiser, Ace's will be my first choice.  I'm just trying to feel comfortable on board again as fast as possible.

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« Reply #891 on: April 22, 2018, 04:07:34 PM »
Well, after finally getting out for the first time in 6 months (fucked up the outside side of my foot and winter here lasted almost 6 months), I don't think Ace's are for me.  I put the new Ace bushings in them, and while they turn great and feel awesome, at 6'3" and being out of shape, they don't feel stable enough for me while setting up for/landing tricks.  I know my balance is not on point yet, but I'm going back to Indy and the thought of breaking in new trucks is maddening to me, but I think it needs to happen.  If I ever set up a cruiser, Ace's will be my first choice.  I'm just trying to feel comfortable on board again as fast as possible.

ACE aren't for everyone; I can skate Indy, Thunder, Venture, Theeve, Krux just fine, they all do the job, some are better in certain areas than others, but with ACE, you really have to feel it with them for them to work, and either you do or you don't.



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« Reply #892 on: April 23, 2018, 12:25:33 PM »
Well, after finally getting out for the first time in 6 months (fucked up the outside side of my foot and winter here lasted almost 6 months), I don't think Ace's are for me.  I put the new Ace bushings in them, and while they turn great and feel awesome, at 6'3" and being out of shape, they don't feel stable enough for me while setting up for/landing tricks.  I know my balance is not on point yet, but I'm going back to Indy and the thought of breaking in new trucks is maddening to me, but I think it needs to happen.  If I ever set up a cruiser, Ace's will be my first choice.  I'm just trying to feel comfortable on board again as fast as possible.

ACE aren't for everyone; I can skate Indy, Thunder, Venture, Theeve, Krux just fine, they all do the job, some are better in certain areas than others, but with ACE, you really have to feel it with them for them to work, and either you do or you don't.

Haha same here, I agree with that

They have this feel you gotta get use to for flip tricks and response
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« Reply #893 on: April 23, 2018, 03:10:06 PM »
yo 30 pages is a lot, I skate thunders now and they just dont feel high enough, wheel bite, breaking, etc.  I mostly skate street and skate my trucks a little on the tighter side.  I like the quick turning of thunders wile still having control would aces compare? or are they pretty loosey goosey. 

I have never been happy with a truck and I feel if i keep trying to find the perfect truck my madness will go through the roof instead of just learning to be fine with indy or thunder.

Depending on which Thunders you skate: the 149s are 52.3mm (forged plates) +1mm for cast plates.

ACE's, if their new numbers are to be trusted are 52mm, w/cast plates....

Comparing these two trucks is the old apples and oranges scenario, they provide a completely different feel. It's discussed, at length, in these 30 plus pages:

ACE are more like Theeve/Indy than they are like Thunder/Venture. There really doesn't seem to be a perfect middle ground between the carve vs. lean camp (Perhaps that's what we're all after :P), but for me, Theeve are the closest to the best of both worlds I can find.

Thanks, just wanted to point out ventures are much more similar to indys than thunders, and wouldnt really put them next to eachother besides being dlx.

I have a friend who got theeves awhile ago and said to me "I know they look stupid, but this is exactly how I want a truck to feel and i finally have it"


Just worth mentioning. Venture Highs and Lows are completely different beasts.

Venture Highs are super turny if a bit too, uh, high. I add this because I'm not really sure where Ventures fit in on the turnability scale. I just know people tell me that Indys turn better than my Ventures and then when I trade my Venture HIGHS for Indys I'm like, "What the fuck?"

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #894 on: April 25, 2018, 02:00:46 PM »
With the improved bushings, the turn is extremely stable but responsive and quick when you need them to be. I've just bought and broken in a new set of regular 144s with replacement red 88a cylinder.
So far the aces have them beat but I'll ride these out for now...

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« Reply #895 on: April 27, 2018, 04:23:34 PM »
Just threw in the revised bushings in my ACEs (thanks jamersonbass!) and took them out, my findings:

If you use a Krux pin setup, the top bushing is still VERY tall making it really hard to get the pin in the nut, let alone into the nylon so I have to ride tighter than usual until they break in.

They felt good (but again, tighter than I would like) and as these have only been ridden a few times they still have some breakin time to be done so I can see them feeling really good later on.

If I picked these up on new trucks I'd be pretty pleased and knowing that if I wasn't running Krux pins I'd be able to loosen them just a bit and get some more play. I might just sand down the top washer.

Eventually, I just want to get some new plates as these mag plates are hanging on for dear life with washers and epoxy keeping my mounting holes small enough!

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« Reply #896 on: April 30, 2018, 12:36:08 PM »
Do the new Ace trucks come standard with the 38 special nuts?  Just ordered a pair from Tactics that came with them. If it's a case of them sending me old back stock of the previous model, I'll be sending them back for a refund.

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« Reply #897 on: April 30, 2018, 12:43:28 PM »
Do the new Ace trucks come standard with the 38 special nuts?  Just ordered a pair from Tactics that came with them. If it's a case of them sending me old back stock of the previous model, I'll be sending them back for a refund.

Nope. They sent you the old designs. New ones come with regular axle nuts, and brighter white top and bottom bushings. The hanger is also a wider “V” than the previous version. Send them back and get yourself the newer designs from a local shop or SoCal.

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« Reply #898 on: May 02, 2018, 10:43:51 PM »
Just wanted to give you guys a heads up, Ace still hasn’t fixed their QC issues. I got a pair of 44’s from a local shop, the one had a hanger wider than the other one by a substantial amount. Brought them back and swapped them out for a set that lined up fine. I checked out some other sets and one set of 55’s had one hanger that was wider, too. It wasn’t as bad as the 44’s but you could still see it. This all happened with the newest designs, too. And yes, I lined them up carefully.

Worst thing I’ve seen with Indy or Thunder was some hanger aluminum bleeding onto the axle making me have to scrape it off with a knife so my bearings would be able to spin. Never experienced improper unmatching hanger widths though.

Just saying, check your Ace trucks still to see if you got a product worth your hard earned money, or a flop set. Bullshit how this still is happening.

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« Reply #899 on: May 03, 2018, 10:08:09 AM »
Just wanted to give you guys a heads up, Ace still hasn’t fixed their QC issues. I got a pair of 44’s from a local shop, the one had a hanger wider than the other one by a substantial amount. Brought them back and swapped them out for a set that lined up fine. I checked out some other sets and one set of 55’s had one hanger that was wider, too. It wasn’t as bad as the 44’s but you could still see it. This all happened with the newest designs, too. And yes, I lined them up carefully.

Worst thing I’ve seen with Indy or Thunder was some hanger aluminum bleeding onto the axle making me have to scrape it off with a knife so my bearings would be able to spin. Never experienced improper unmatching hanger widths though.

Just saying, check your Ace trucks still to see if you got a product worth your hard earned money, or a flop set. Bullshit how this still is happening.
I tried to order a set of the new classics to see the differences just two weeks ago, when they came and I mounted them something was off and I couldn’t figure it out, the front truck was not straight and I thought my brand new deck was warped and I got all bummed, switched to my old deck and the same problem, turns out the mounting holes on the baseplate weren’t drilled properly so the truck sat slightly off centre. I could have used my old baseplates I guess but I just returned them. I have however been rocking a set of ace 44 problem free for a year now and I genuinely enjoy them so I can’t say it’s been all bad.