alright, i know this is a very cliche slap guy thing to get but, i'm going for it. those skinny straight ones look a little intense, even though i do generally wear a pant that slim, those ones just look awkward.
my question is, do the waistbands have any give at all? as well, the rinsed wash ones, what's the deal with those? please forgive me for i am just being cautious as i have to mail order them.