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Re: Post UPCOMING/RECENT NIKE SB shoe releases thread
« Reply #5160 on: June 12, 2016, 01:06:06 AM »
Every time I pick up one of the new Hyperfeel models I can't help but think Nike is saving a shit ton of money on labor and materials.

Less stitching, fewer layers - just glue sole to upper, drop in extruded foam insole (that now takes the place of midsole and in some cases, strobel). Charge same amount or more.
You're totally right about saving in cost and charging more. The margin they make is fucked. Only products I will ever buy from them are either Blazer mids or Dunks purchased on sale at skateshops.

I dont like drop-in insoles, I think that no mather how good the insole is a good midsole always does a better work. None of those thick Lunarlon insoles will save your feet, and no other insole fits right in the shoes. Also, that Hyperfeel thing is a pure gimmick. I tried the Bruin Hyperfeel on foot and they felt like bricks, really stiff, no "feel" whatsoever. I think you need to go through a break in phase for those shoes when I really thought they were aiming for a instant broke in feeling with those. I just hope people dont burn retail price on those things and get them on the low!

interesting. i know the BAs work well on you SKATAN. Those work amazing on my feet too. The Koston 2 and Cons KA 2 which both have the lunarlon insole worked really well on my feet with barley any pain.. I just skate the Lakai Staple vulc with the FP insoles and couldn't get em to work..
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Re: Post UPCOMING/RECENT NIKE SB shoe releases thread
« Reply #5161 on: June 12, 2016, 02:41:22 AM »
Every time I pick up one of the new Hyperfeel models I can't help but think Nike is saving a shit ton of money on labor and materials.

Less stitching, fewer layers - just glue sole to upper, drop in extruded foam insole (that now takes the place of midsole and in some cases, strobel). Charge same amount or more.
You're totally right about saving in cost and charging more. The margin they make is fucked. Only products I will ever buy from them are either Blazer mids or Dunks purchased on sale at skateshops.

I dont like drop-in insoles, I think that no mather how good the insole is a good midsole always does a better work. None of those thick Lunarlon insoles will save your feet, and no other insole fits right in the shoes. Also, that Hyperfeel thing is a pure gimmick. I tried the Bruin Hyperfeel on foot and they felt like bricks, really stiff, no "feel" whatsoever. I think you need to go through a break in phase for those shoes when I really thought they were aiming for a instant broke in feeling with those. I just hope people dont burn retail price on those things and get them on the low!

interesting. i know the BAs work well on you SKATAN. Those work amazing on my feet too. The Koston 2 and Cons KA 2 which both have the lunarlon insole worked really well on my feet with barley any pain.. I just skate the Lakai Staple vulc with the FP insoles and couldn't get em to work..

I have the Koston huarache's which have the same outsole/insole as the Koston 2's and i think they arent anything special. The fit was tight as hell in the first time, gave me blisters, and i feel like the lunarlon insole is somehow overrated. They work better on my modified chuck taylors (were they feel like an actual improvement) than on the koston's. The mix that the BA's or the Prod 7's had that was a lunarlon midsole with a ortholite insole worked hundred times better when it comes to cushioning, support and confort. I'm glad i got them for 60% less.

I dont know how's the Staple structure. It is a drop in insole construction too? If it is the fp's may sit a lot lower and feel too thin to skate.
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« Reply #5162 on: June 12, 2016, 11:13:25 AM »
Can anyone comment on the sole differentiation of the Janoski, Bruin, GT Blazer and CK court? They all look the same to me.

Last shoes I skated were vulc bruins that lasted forever. Just started skating some GT blazers.

The CK is slightly wider and stiffer than the others. Bruin, GT, and Janoskis are identical in insole shape, they just fit differently because of last construction. I hate the way GTs feel on my foot, but love the All Courts and Janos. Try to get more vulc Bruins if you can find them. I wish I stocked up on the dark red SE. Best skate shoe ever, and I usually go for cupsole. 

Thanks.

The tread pattern on all 4 look the same. I feel like the bruin has a deeper tread than the GT Blazer. Bruins were also narrower. The blazers fit my foot better.

Depth on all 4 should be the same, but could have small variances from factory to factory. The last (shape) and tape are what changes on the rest. Bruin has a slight incline and original blazer texture on the sidewall with stars on the bumper, CK has a mellower texture tape and a wider last, GT has lower sidewall tape height and no texture on the side, original blazer has the taller, more square tape with the old texture.

Dont the blazer mid and the janoskis have a deeper tread? I was almost 100% sure about this. The gt blazer and the bruin look like they have the same tread as the non skate blazers that is a little thinner and shallower. But maybe I'm wrong cause you worked on nike and know this better than me I'm sure ahah

Blazer and Janoski have less herringbone "fins" so it looks like they are deeper, the fins are more concentrated in the Bruins etc but there should be a standard thickness for all those vulc outsoles, with variance of maybe +/- 1mm or so, maybe even .5. I can't say for sure but I haven't cut any apart yet, but that's what it should be.

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« Reply #5163 on: June 12, 2016, 07:58:37 PM »
Every time I pick up one of the new Hyperfeel models I can't help but think Nike is saving a shit ton of money on labor and materials.

Less stitching, fewer layers - just glue sole to upper, drop in extruded foam insole (that now takes the place of midsole and in some cases, strobel). Charge same amount or more.
You're totally right about saving in cost and charging more. The margin they make is fucked. Only products I will ever buy from them are either Blazer mids or Dunks purchased on sale at skateshops.

I dont like drop-in insoles, I think that no mather how good the insole is a good midsole always does a better work. None of those thick Lunarlon insoles will save your feet, and no other insole fits right in the shoes. Also, that Hyperfeel thing is a pure gimmick. I tried the Bruin Hyperfeel on foot and they felt like bricks, really stiff, no "feel" whatsoever. I think you need to go through a break in phase for those shoes when I really thought they were aiming for a instant broke in feeling with those. I just hope people dont burn retail price on those things and get them on the low!

interesting. i know the BAs work well on you SKATAN. Those work amazing on my feet too. The Koston 2 and Cons KA 2 which both have the lunarlon insole worked really well on my feet with barley any pain.. I just skate the Lakai Staple vulc with the FP insoles and couldn't get em to work..

I have the Koston huarache's which have the same outsole/insole as the Koston 2's and i think they arent anything special. The fit was tight as hell in the first time, gave me blisters, and i feel like the lunarlon insole is somehow overrated. They work better on my modified chuck taylors (were they feel like an actual improvement) than on the koston's. The mix that the BA's or the Prod 7's had that was a lunarlon midsole with a ortholite insole worked hundred times better when it comes to cushioning, support and confort. I'm glad i got them for 60% less.

I dont know how's the Staple structure. It is a drop in insole construction too? If it is the fp's may sit a lot lower and feel too thin to skate.

yes i agree 100% on how the prod 7 and project BA had the lunarmid sole with the thin insole. that worked way better than the thicker one thats on the koston one and two as well as other models from nike/cons. did any other shoes have the same midsole as the project ba/prod7? i tried the lunar janoski's but they felt too thin
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« Reply #5164 on: June 12, 2016, 09:24:56 PM »
Every time I pick up one of the new Hyperfeel models I can't help but think Nike is saving a shit ton of money on labor and materials.

Less stitching, fewer layers - just glue sole to upper, drop in extruded foam insole (that now takes the place of midsole and in some cases, strobel). Charge same amount or more.
You're totally right about saving in cost and charging more. The margin they make is fucked. Only products I will ever buy from them are either Blazer mids or Dunks purchased on sale at skateshops.

I dont like drop-in insoles, I think that no mather how good the insole is a good midsole always does a better work. None of those thick Lunarlon insoles will save your feet, and no other insole fits right in the shoes. Also, that Hyperfeel thing is a pure gimmick. I tried the Bruin Hyperfeel on foot and they felt like bricks, really stiff, no "feel" whatsoever. I think you need to go through a break in phase for those shoes when I really thought they were aiming for a instant broke in feeling with those. I just hope people dont burn retail price on those things and get them on the low!

interesting. i know the BAs work well on you SKATAN. Those work amazing on my feet too. The Koston 2 and Cons KA 2 which both have the lunarlon insole worked really well on my feet with barley any pain.. I just skate the Lakai Staple vulc with the FP insoles and couldn't get em to work..

I have the Koston huarache's which have the same outsole/insole as the Koston 2's and i think they arent anything special. The fit was tight as hell in the first time, gave me blisters, and i feel like the lunarlon insole is somehow overrated. They work better on my modified chuck taylors (were they feel like an actual improvement) than on the koston's. The mix that the BA's or the Prod 7's had that was a lunarlon midsole with a ortholite insole worked hundred times better when it comes to cushioning, support and confort. I'm glad i got them for 60% less.

I dont know how's the Staple structure. It is a drop in insole construction too? If it is the fp's may sit a lot lower and feel too thin to skate.

yes i agree 100% on how the prod 7 and project BA had the lunarmid sole with the thin insole. that worked way better than the thicker one thats on the koston one and two as well as other models from nike/cons. did any other shoes have the same midsole as the project ba/prod7? i tried the lunar janoski's but they felt too thin

P. Rod 8, Lunar Gato (Gato is thinner)

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Re: Post UPCOMING/RECENT NIKE SB shoe releases thread
« Reply #5165 on: June 13, 2016, 02:14:51 AM »
Every time I pick up one of the new Hyperfeel models I can't help but think Nike is saving a shit ton of money on labor and materials.

Less stitching, fewer layers - just glue sole to upper, drop in extruded foam insole (that now takes the place of midsole and in some cases, strobel). Charge same amount or more.
You're totally right about saving in cost and charging more. The margin they make is fucked. Only products I will ever buy from them are either Blazer mids or Dunks purchased on sale at skateshops.

I dont like drop-in insoles, I think that no mather how good the insole is a good midsole always does a better work. None of those thick Lunarlon insoles will save your feet, and no other insole fits right in the shoes. Also, that Hyperfeel thing is a pure gimmick. I tried the Bruin Hyperfeel on foot and they felt like bricks, really stiff, no "feel" whatsoever. I think you need to go through a break in phase for those shoes when I really thought they were aiming for a instant broke in feeling with those. I just hope people dont burn retail price on those things and get them on the low!

interesting. i know the BAs work well on you SKATAN. Those work amazing on my feet too. The Koston 2 and Cons KA 2 which both have the lunarlon insole worked really well on my feet with barley any pain.. I just skate the Lakai Staple vulc with the FP insoles and couldn't get em to work..

I have the Koston huarache's which have the same outsole/insole as the Koston 2's and i think they arent anything special. The fit was tight as hell in the first time, gave me blisters, and i feel like the lunarlon insole is somehow overrated. They work better on my modified chuck taylors (were they feel like an actual improvement) than on the koston's. The mix that the BA's or the Prod 7's had that was a lunarlon midsole with a ortholite insole worked hundred times better when it comes to cushioning, support and confort. I'm glad i got them for 60% less.

I dont know how's the Staple structure. It is a drop in insole construction too? If it is the fp's may sit a lot lower and feel too thin to skate.

yes i agree 100% on how the prod 7 and project BA had the lunarmid sole with the thin insole. that worked way better than the thicker one thats on the koston one and two as well as other models from nike/cons. did any other shoes have the same midsole as the project ba/prod7? i tried the lunar janoski's but they felt too thin

P. Rod 8, Lunar Gato (Gato is thinner)

Lunar one shot too... those and the lunar janoski's have the same sole construction, that is similar to the BA's/prod 7 (the lunar gato was more like a in between i think) but thinner for a better boardfeel. I dont like how thin they felt too but at least they had a better fit than those drop-in insoles, i feel like they had more substance to them. 
The emerica g6 cupsoles (herman, reynolds, westgate) had a similar construction if you're looking for something close, just the midsole was the g6 foam instead of lunarlon.

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« Reply #5166 on: June 13, 2016, 10:43:07 AM »
Every time I pick up one of the new Hyperfeel models I can't help but think Nike is saving a shit ton of money on labor and materials.

Less stitching, fewer layers - just glue sole to upper, drop in extruded foam insole (that now takes the place of midsole and in some cases, strobel). Charge same amount or more.
You're totally right about saving in cost and charging more. The margin they make is fucked. Only products I will ever buy from them are either Blazer mids or Dunks purchased on sale at skateshops.

I dont like drop-in insoles, I think that no mather how good the insole is a good midsole always does a better work. None of those thick Lunarlon insoles will save your feet, and no other insole fits right in the shoes. Also, that Hyperfeel thing is a pure gimmick. I tried the Bruin Hyperfeel on foot and they felt like bricks, really stiff, no "feel" whatsoever. I think you need to go through a break in phase for those shoes when I really thought they were aiming for a instant broke in feeling with those. I just hope people dont burn retail price on those things and get them on the low!

interesting. i know the BAs work well on you SKATAN. Those work amazing on my feet too. The Koston 2 and Cons KA 2 which both have the lunarlon insole worked really well on my feet with barley any pain.. I just skate the Lakai Staple vulc with the FP insoles and couldn't get em to work..

I have the Koston huarache's which have the same outsole/insole as the Koston 2's and i think they arent anything special. The fit was tight as hell in the first time, gave me blisters, and i feel like the lunarlon insole is somehow overrated. They work better on my modified chuck taylors (were they feel like an actual improvement) than on the koston's. The mix that the BA's or the Prod 7's had that was a lunarlon midsole with a ortholite insole worked hundred times better when it comes to cushioning, support and confort. I'm glad i got them for 60% less.

I dont know how's the Staple structure. It is a drop in insole construction too? If it is the fp's may sit a lot lower and feel too thin to skate.

yes i agree 100% on how the prod 7 and project BA had the lunarmid sole with the thin insole. that worked way better than the thicker one thats on the koston one and two as well as other models from nike/cons. did any other shoes have the same midsole as the project ba/prod7? i tried the lunar janoski's but they felt too thin

P. Rod 8, Lunar Gato (Gato is thinner)

Lunar one shot too... those and the lunar janoski's have the same sole construction, that is similar to the BA's/prod 7 (the lunar gato was more like a in between i think) but thinner for a better boardfeel. I dont like how thin they felt too but at least they had a better fit than those drop-in insoles, i feel like they had more substance to them. 
The emerica g6 cupsoles (herman, reynolds, westgate) had a similar construction if you're looking for something close, just the midsole was the g6 foam instead of lunarlon.

Yeah, BA, P Rod 7 and 8 and the Gato all have outsole/midsole construction with a foam carrier and lunar built into it. The Oneshot is a really thin cupsole with a tiny wedge of lunar in the back and then that real thin insole, so it's just hella thin all the way around.

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« Reply #5167 on: June 13, 2016, 10:53:24 AM »
Can anyone comment on the sole differentiation of the Janoski, Bruin, GT Blazer and CK court? They all look the same to me.

Last shoes I skated were vulc bruins that lasted forever. Just started skating some GT blazers.

The CK is slightly wider and stiffer than the others. Bruin, GT, and Janoskis are identical in insole shape, they just fit differently because of last construction. I hate the way GTs feel on my foot, but love the All Courts and Janos. Try to get more vulc Bruins if you can find them. I wish I stocked up on the dark red SE. Best skate shoe ever, and I usually go for cupsole. 

Thanks.

The tread pattern on all 4 look the same. I feel like the bruin has a deeper tread than the GT Blazer. Bruins were also narrower. The blazers fit my foot better.

Depth on all 4 should be the same, but could have small variances from factory to factory. The last (shape) and tape are what changes on the rest. Bruin has a slight incline and original blazer texture on the sidewall with stars on the bumper, CK has a mellower texture tape and a wider last, GT has lower sidewall tape height and no texture on the side, original blazer has the taller, more square tape with the old texture.

Dont the blazer mid and the janoskis have a deeper tread? I was almost 100% sure about this. The gt blazer and the bruin look like they have the same tread as the non skate blazers that is a little thinner and shallower. But maybe I'm wrong cause you worked on nike and know this better than me I'm sure ahah

Blazer and Janoski have less herringbone "fins" so it looks like they are deeper, the fins are more concentrated in the Bruins etc but there should be a standard thickness for all those vulc outsoles, with variance of maybe +/- 1mm or so, maybe even .5. I can't say for sure but I haven't cut any apart yet, but that's what it should be.

Thanks for the clarification!

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Re: Post UPCOMING/RECENT NIKE SB shoe releases thread
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« Reply #5170 on: June 14, 2016, 10:03:32 AM »
-SB Janoski-

These are nice.

One of the best. Reed/Stone. July 2009 release. One of my favs.

Will def grab a new pair.
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« Reply #5171 on: June 14, 2016, 10:45:58 AM »
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« Reply #5172 on: June 14, 2016, 11:12:41 AM »

These are really nice. I am digging this more than the black heel.

I've changed my mind about the Bruin hyperfeel. Initially I thought they felt a little long in the toe but after wearing them around a bit they fit perfectly.

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« Reply #5173 on: June 14, 2016, 11:54:18 AM »
-SB Bruin Hyperfeel-

These are really nice. I am digging this more than the black heel.

I've changed my mind about the Bruin hyperfeel. Initially I thought they felt a little long in the toe but after wearing them around a bit they fit perfectly.

getting flashbacks to a pair of nikes I had waaaay back in the day (mid 80's).  Bloody loved them, until one night I decided to colour one in with a fluro highlighter pen
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« Reply #5174 on: June 14, 2016, 02:13:37 PM »
bringing back leather laces as a standard? or only on reissues

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« Reply #5175 on: June 14, 2016, 02:16:29 PM »

lol he says they're hyperfeel ??? They're just some mall shop shoes!

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« Reply #5176 on: June 14, 2016, 02:30:17 PM »

lol he says they're hyperfeel ??? They're just some mall shop shoes!

They remind me a bit of the Omar vulc model. Can't say for sure why. They're not bad looking but I don't fuck with those B team models.

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« Reply #5177 on: June 14, 2016, 10:18:11 PM »
bringing back leather laces as a standard? or only on reissues

Sadly, only OG colors. Some QS come with it, but usually premium label.
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« Reply #5179 on: June 15, 2016, 02:28:00 PM »
-Nike SB PR9 elite-

This colorway is really good, i must say!
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« Reply #5181 on: June 16, 2016, 01:21:20 AM »
in b4 pizza discussion

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« Reply #5182 on: June 16, 2016, 01:36:30 AM »
in b4 pizza discussion

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Yo guy that argues about pizza (sorry username escapes me), it's your time to shine AND stay on topic ;D

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« Reply #5183 on: June 16, 2016, 04:17:59 AM »
p rod's shoes aren't exciting. there's a reason barely anyone on the team skates them, ever.

bring these back.

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« Reply #5184 on: June 16, 2016, 05:37:49 AM »
p rod's shoes aren't exciting. there's a reason barely anyone on the team skates them, ever.

bring these back.

-nike-p-rod-zoom-sb-low-black-purple-white-


some of the one's after the 3's were pretty bland and looked similar to the previous ones. i felt the 7s were really sick. i know a lot of PALS were hyped on em; solid cupsole, good midsole and that pointy toe! the 8s were horrible IMO and the 9s look sick!
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« Reply #5185 on: June 16, 2016, 01:13:09 PM »
http://www.thepremierstore.com/blog_detail.cfm?blogId=4606


in b4 pizza discussion

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Yo guy that argues about pizza (sorry username escapes me), it's your time to shine AND stay on topic ;D

yo i know your just joking but seriously, what the fuck kinda pizza is that supposed to be? if i have to wear a pizza shoe i dont want people to think i eat shit pizza. its just cheese, pepperoni, and oregano, which by the way looks like dried up sprinkled shit. at least have some mushroom or bacon or something else on there? 3 toppings? what kind of medieval shit is this? Look, the modern pizza was originally invented in Naples, Italy but the word pizza is Greek in origin, derived from the Greek word pēktos meaning solid or clotted. The ancient Greeks covered their bread with oils, herbs and cheese. The first major innovation that led to flat bread pizza was the use of tomato as a topping. It was common for the poor of the area around Naples to add tomato to their yeast-based flat bread, and so the pizza began.

While it is difficult to say for sure who invented the pizza, it is however believed that modern pizza was first made by baker Raffaele Esposito of Naples. In fact, a popular urban legend holds that the archetypal pizza, Pizza Margherita, was invented in 1889, when the Royal Palace of Capodimonte commissioned the Neapolitan pizzaiolo Raffaele Esposito to create a pizza in honor of the visiting Queen Margherita. Of the three different pizzas he created, the Queen strongly preferred a pie swathed in the colors of the Italian flag: red (tomato), green (basil), and white (mozzarella). Supposedly, this kind of pizza was then named after the Queen as Pizza Margherita.

For millennia, pizza, a food of various origins and multiple styles, has played an important role in the diet of those who inhabited the land now called Italy. Neolithic nomads, the Etruscans from the North, and the Greeks from southern regions were the three earliest societies to develop pizza prototypes, for example, focaccia. Each group made small adaptations that changed the original product into a slightly more refined dish.

As early as the Stone Age, Neolithic hunter-gatherer tribal groups foraged throughout what would become Italy for wild grains, among them wheat varieties such as emmer and einkorn, as well as barley. Commonly first soaked or boiled, these grains were mashed into pastes and cooked on hot stones over open fires.

Later, around 1000 B.C.E., the Etruscans, a people of uncertain origin, introduced their flatbread to Northern Italy. Like the Neolithic tribes before them, the Etruscans pounded their grains. However, unlike their predecessors, the Etruscans baked their mash on stones and buried the stones in the ashes, creating smoky tasting bread. They further elaborated on the primitive Neolithic flatbread by seasoning the mash with oil and herbs after baking it. Though little more than rough slabs of cooked grain, these Etruscan flatbreads, among the earliest forms of this type of food documented, were often used as dough "plates" in lieu of dishes.

The Greeks, who had superior baking skills and technology, further advanced and elaborated on pizza during their 600-year (730�130 B.C.E.) occupation of the southern areas of the Italian peninsula. Like their predecessors, they produced a grain-based mash, but instead of placing the toppings on the cooked breads, they placed them on the raw dough prior to baking, perhaps to ensure a more highly flavored dish. Plakuntos, for example, flat, round breads, were made with various simple toppings, among them oil, garlic, onion, and herbs. Additional Greek contributions included the use of ovens, instead of open fires, and the development of kneading, which produced a more digestible bread. Evelyne Sloman highlights early excerpts from Plato's Republic that refer to meals created from barley flour kneaded and cooked into "cakes" with olives and cheese (Sloman, 1984, p. 5).

Although it is not firmly established, many also credit the Greeks with improving on the knowledge of leavening agents that came down to them from the Egyptians, and then introducing yeast into their own flatbreads. The Greeks also added a raised rim to the outside of their dough circles, to stabilize their dough "plates," making them easier to hold, and, perhaps, even helping to keep the toppings in place.

Much later, the Romans combined the Etruscan and Greek techniques to create the pizza antecedent most like the pizza known today. They valued the intense heat the Etruscans achieved by baking their flatbreads below the fire, and they appreciated the Greek idea of preseasoning the dough. They also modified the Greek plakuntos. Known to them by the Latin term placenta, their adapted bread, though still round, was topped with cheese and baked on a wood-burning hearth. Laganum, a light, thin wafer bread, was also cooked on the hearth.

If the Greeks and Etruscans were primarily responsible for creating the prototypes of what was to become pizza, and the ancient Romans were responsible for improving it, it was largely the Neapolitans who brought it fame. Probably not coincidentally, the Neapolitans were responsible for the addition of the ingredient most commonly associated with pizza today�the tomato.

No one is sure of the precise reason, but it took well over two centuries from the time the New World tomato was introduced to the continent of Europe during the Columbian food exchange for Neapolitans, and various other inhabitants of the peninsula, to begin consuming tomatoes in quantity.

There are several theories about why adoption of a fruit that has almost come to symbolize Italian cuisine took so long. One argues that it was because tomatoes were believed to be poisonous, another that the earliest tomatoes were inferior and, therefore, eaten only in modest amounts until quality improved enough to make the fruit genuinely popular. In the area of Naples, for example, a key moment appears to have come in the middle of the eighteenth century with the development of a pleasing, large, and sweet tomato. The fruit quickly became the mainstay of Neapolitan pizza toppings.

It was also around this time, during the era of Bourbon King Ferdinando I and Queen Maria Carolina, whose empire included Naples, that one of the earliest pizza legends took root. In one version of the story, the queen (Marie Antoinette's sister and the daughter of Empress Maria Teresa of Austria) is said to have been described by the king as having "common tastes," apparently a quality thought to explain her love of pizza, a dish of the people. It is, however, a measure of the confounding nature of pizza lore that in a variant of the story, it is the king who relishes pizza and the refined queen who does not understand his passion.

Whichever of their majesties was the real enthusiast, the object of desire was probably flavored with lard (a less expensive alternative to oil), tomatoes, salt, and sometimes tiny eels, anchovies, or sardines. Over time, craving for this pie became so great that either the king, to gratify his wife's yearning, or the queen, to gratify the king's hunger, had a pizza oven built at the Capodimonte palace, so they could make the dish at home, an act that brought the pie even more attention. Pizza became the fashion, and other nobles followed suit, building pizza ovens where they lived.

However, it was not until 1889, a time when yet another ingredient is purported to have become part of the equation, that pizza began its march toward wide celebrity. It was then that inspiration is said to have struck Raffaele Esposito, a noted Neapolitan pizzaiolo (pizza chef), who decided to pay homage to Queen Margherita and King Umberto I of Savoia, the ruling house of Italy, by adding mozzarella to the traditional tomato and basil pie. The combination of red, white, and green suggested the colors of the Italian flag and saluted the United Kingdom of Italy, a gesture that for patriotic reasons is said to have made the pie a favorite of the queen.

Though most stories of origin give Esposito credit for adding cheese and thereby inventing the tri-color pizza, still known as Pizza Margherita, others deny it, believing that mozzarella had been used earlier. There is no doubt, however, that Esposito popularized the "made for each other" combination of cheese, dough, and tomato that produced a dish even more delicious than before, thereby setting the modest pie on a course to fame that he could never have imagined.

In Italy today, pizza exists in a number of regional styles, of which two of the most famous are the Neapolitan and the Roman. Both schools knead the dough, but pizza alla Napoletana is round, has a high border, takes diverse toppings, and is generally sold in pizzerias, while pizza alla Romana, also called pizza bianca, is more or less rectangular, often as much as a meter long, topped only with oil and salt, and sold by weight, primarily in bakeries and groceries, according to the size of the piece requested. Many other regions of Italy�Sicily, for example�also have distinctive versions of pizza. However, the popularity of the dish has meant that the styles are not always confined to the geographical areas in which they were created. Neapolitan-style pizza, for example, can be found in many places in Italy, as can Pizza alla Romana.

basically what im trying to say is, that shoe sucks.
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Re: Post UPCOMING/RECENT NIKE SB shoe releases thread
« Reply #5186 on: June 16, 2016, 05:45:56 PM »
p rod's shoes aren't exciting. there's a reason barely anyone on the team skates them, ever.

bring these back.

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I have no idea why they only brought back the white PRod 1 for a single month last year as a fucking quickstrike. Of all the shoes for them to not over produce the hell out of. I didn't even try to get the Jordan prod 1/9 hybrid thanks to the Jordanheads. Nike cupsoles are shit now. Hyperfeel is a joke and the Ishod Dunk is way too overpriced for me to skate mine and replace. Thank goodness for New Balance.
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Re: Post UPCOMING/RECENT NIKE SB shoe releases thread
« Reply #5187 on: June 16, 2016, 08:34:17 PM »
p rod's shoes aren't exciting. there's a reason barely anyone on the team skates them, ever.

bring these back.

-nike-p-rod-zoom-sb-low-black-purple-white-

I have no idea why they only brought back the white PRod 1 for a single month last year as a fucking quickstrike. Of all the shoes for them to not over produce the hell out of. I didn't even try to get the Jordan prod 1/9 hybrid thanks to the Jordanheads. Nike cupsoles are shit now. Hyperfeel is a joke and the Ishod Dunk is way too overpriced for me to skate mine and replace. Thank goodness for New Balance.

10 year anniversary of the first p-rod pro model and color. They ended up at outers months after, wasn't hard to get at all.
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Re: Post UPCOMING/RECENT NIKE SB shoe releases thread
« Reply #5188 on: June 16, 2016, 11:47:23 PM »
p rod's shoes aren't exciting. there's a reason barely anyone on the team skates them, ever.

bring these back.

-nike-p-rod-zoom-sb-low-black-purple-white-

I have no idea why they only brought back the white PRod 1 for a single month last year as a fucking quickstrike. Of all the shoes for them to not over produce the hell out of. I didn't even try to get the Jordan prod 1/9 hybrid thanks to the Jordanheads. Nike cupsoles are shit now. Hyperfeel is a joke and the Ishod Dunk is way too overpriced for me to skate mine and replace. Thank goodness for New Balance.

10 year anniversary of the first p-rod pro model and color. They ended up at outers months after, wasn't hard to get at all.

Yup. I fucked up not grabbing a pair.
Shopping at Zumiez.....

Look motherfuck, I just want to buy my "Purple Drank" shirt and get the fuck out so I can get home in time to steal some Virginia Slims from my mom before she gets home from work.

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Re: Post UPCOMING/RECENT NIKE SB shoe releases thread
« Reply #5189 on: June 17, 2016, 08:00:46 PM »
p rod's shoes aren't exciting. there's a reason barely anyone on the team skates them, ever.

bring these back.

-nike-p-rod-zoom-sb-low-black-purple-white-

I have no idea why they only brought back the white PRod 1 for a single month last year as a fucking quickstrike. Of all the shoes for them to not over produce the hell out of. I didn't even try to get the Jordan prod 1/9 hybrid thanks to the Jordanheads. Nike cupsoles are shit now. Hyperfeel is a joke and the Ishod Dunk is way too overpriced for me to skate mine and replace. Thank goodness for New Balance.

10 year anniversary of the first p-rod pro model and color. They ended up at outers months after, wasn't hard to get at all.

Yup. I fucked up not grabbing a pair.

Fuck man. I don't have any outlets near me and my shop sold out the release weekend. Oh well. At least I got the camo floral Jano remakes yesterday.