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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #960 on: November 14, 2014, 12:55:11 PM »
So I just set-up some 99a 53mm Ishod F4s with a new pair of trucks (Thunder 147s). I was riding 100a 53mm F1 Streetburners for the past ~year. Definitely liking the F4s but I'm not sure how much of it is due to new/fast wheels/bearings. They do seem to slide better than the F1s while riding/feeling "softer" (if that makes any sense at all...). Also grabbed a set of 53mm 101a F4s to try but it looks like winter's here to stay.

Is it just me or do these wheels "sound" dead?? Grabbed my board from the trunk, dropped it on the ground and the "thunkclunk" sounded a lot closer to shitty blank wheels than my F1s did. They skated perfectly fine pop-wise but the sound was a bit of a throw-off for the first couple of ollies



Axle bolts too tight? I find that boards can sound dead (and wheels are not as screechy) of there is no play on the wheels.

New bearings will also change the sound a bit until the grease gets worn down.
This. While new bearings/wheels  should feel great, often times the first day or two the wheels feel almost softer than they really are, give it a bit.

Cool, thanks very much for the replies guys. My axle bolts definitely aren't too tight (I always leave a little wiggle room) but great suggestion Xen. Lenny/144p, the bearings are new so it sounds I'll have to skate em down some more.

Thinking about it now, the F4s also sounded different when "digging into" bs 180s... almost like they "glided" more. Definitely need to skate the F4s more but I'm thinking there's something cool going on here feel-wise.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #961 on: November 14, 2014, 03:18:33 PM »
Excuse my ignorance but what are the advantages of a wider riding surface outside of more grip in transition?  It seems like for street skating it wouldn't be ideal because a wider wheel in theory would be slower with more rolling resistance, more surface area to catch on pebbles or shit in the road and I'm guessing it takes more effort to slide
No advantages really... I don't even feel them gripping that much more than the classic shape tbh. 149s are too big for me so the conical full are perfect for those trucks. Giving me a little more width makes me think the hanger is smaller than it actually is. I got the regular conical on my main setup. No advantages whatsoever. You lock in just as good with the classic shape. I've always prefered conical shapes over classic. Was riding Bones v2 all the time before F4 got out on the market. That's all there's to it.
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #962 on: November 14, 2014, 04:56:11 PM »
Having skated multiple sets of classics, full cuts, conicals and concial full i can say in the 99 that there is a difference in grip and stability in the different shapes. In the 101's they all feel about the same, the conical fulls are a little more grippy but not much.
On a fresh back top road the conical fulls struggle to break into a slide vs a classic cut acts like it would on any surface.
Mostly I notice the square shape holding a ledge or coping edge better vs a radial classic that rolls out much easier.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #963 on: November 15, 2014, 03:09:41 PM »
I take it all back. It's indoor season here so I've only tried the conicals on slippery wooden floor. I couldn't feel the difference on the slippery wooden floor but I felt a difference on the outdoor concrete floor today. They actually do grip. There's a noticeable difference between classic and conicals gripping wise. Probably even more noticeable with the conical full that I didn't get to try since I no longer use the 149 setup. That goes for the 99 duro. Also felt a little better lock on the smaller cooping which I couldn't notice on heavier coopings.

Everything 144p said above is on point.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #964 on: November 15, 2014, 05:01:44 PM »
Quote from: TehPwnzorer  link=topic=68020.msg2242110#msg2242110 date=1415967723
Conical & Conical Full. Both being 52mm



Thanks dude. That's exactly the kind of picture I was looking for. Gnar's for you, sir!

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #965 on: December 09, 2014, 04:40:51 PM »
Ok, I hate to bump a topic that's faded a bit but no better thread to toss this...

All of the snow we got melted over the past couple of days so I skated flat yesterday for a quick 20 minutes. Went to check my board today and saw this...



I don't want to take them back to my shop and be a pain in the ass... shit happens. This was definitely from a rock while trying to "skid out" a couple bs180s. That said, I can definitely feel/hear the "flatspot" and while I know it'll skate down, I paid full price and the wheels have under 5 hrs of riding on them.

Any recommendations? Already bought a set of F1 streetburners to ride but this is a bit disappointing given the hype these wheels have gotten

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #966 on: December 09, 2014, 04:44:46 PM »
Hit up DLX.  They will help you out.  One thing that I love about them is they simply stand by all of their products.  I never hesitate to buy anything from them because I know if I have an issue, they'll make it right.

Probably the best dudes in the skate industry when it comes to taking care of their customers

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #967 on: December 09, 2014, 04:55:49 PM »
Hit up DLX.  They will help you out.  One thing that I love about them is they simply stand by all of their products.  I never hesitate to buy anything from them because I know if I have an issue, they'll make it right.

Probably the best dudes in the skate industry when it comes to taking care of their customers

thanks Steve. do DLX reps still hit up this thread or is facebook my best bet? I've seen a few posting before. I'm planning on dealing with this fully tomorrow (got a big exam at 9 am).

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #968 on: December 09, 2014, 06:05:28 PM »
Ok, I hate to bump a topic that's faded a bit but no better thread to toss this...

All of the snow we got melted over the past couple of days so I skated flat yesterday for a quick 20 minutes. Went to check my board today and saw this...



I don't want to take them back to my shop and be a pain in the ass... shit happens. This was definitely from a rock while trying to "skid out" a couple bs180s. That said, I can definitely feel/hear the "flatspot" and while I know it'll skate down, I paid full price and the wheels have under 5 hrs of riding on them.

Any recommendations? Already bought a set of F1 streetburners to ride but this is a bit disappointing given the hype these wheels have gotten

this happened to me on some f4 52mm classic shaped 99a's and fixed it self within one session of just rolling it self out...
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #969 on: December 09, 2014, 08:20:16 PM »
Ok, I hate to bump a topic that's faded a bit but no better thread to toss this...

All of the snow we got melted over the past couple of days so I skated flat yesterday for a quick 20 minutes. Went to check my board today and saw this...



I don't want to take them back to my shop and be a pain in the ass... shit happens. This was definitely from a rock while trying to "skid out" a couple bs180s. That said, I can definitely feel/hear the "flatspot" and while I know it'll skate down, I paid full price and the wheels have under 5 hrs of riding on them.

Any recommendations? Already bought a set of F1 streetburners to ride but this is a bit disappointing given the hype these wheels have gotten

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #970 on: December 09, 2014, 09:13:34 PM »
this happened to me on some f4 52mm classic shaped 99a's and fixed it self within one session of just rolling it self out...

Thanks for the feedback fulfillthedream. These are the 99a's and it definitely looks/feels like it'll skate itself out (which is why I didn't go back to my shop) but...

PM'd!

... good thing DLXSF has the whole "customer service" thing on lockdown. Thanks again for the help everyone/DLXSF and Lenny, I would totally gnar you if I could!

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« Reply #971 on: December 09, 2014, 11:52:17 PM »
this happened to me on some f4 52mm classic shaped 99a's and fixed it self within one session of just rolling it self out...

Thanks for the feedback fulfillthedream. These are the 99a's and it definitely looks/feels like it'll skate itself out (which is why I didn't go back to my shop) but...

PM'd!

... good thing DLXSF has the whole "customer service" thing on lockdown. Thanks again for the help everyone/DLXSF and Lenny, I would totally gnar you if I could!

fuck yeah- DLX's assurance on quality is ON POINT... I've had a few "damaged" products after the usual wear and tear of skateboarding but it's sick they're down to honor their warranties 100%

a homie of mine posted some 2 year old thunders that were down to the aceels on instagram- there was a small little crack but the trucks were on their way out any how- Jim T commented "we'll replace those" and my homie declined the offer cause he felt he got his money's worth...
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #972 on: December 17, 2014, 10:28:52 PM »
this happened to me on some f4 52mm classic shaped 99a's and fixed it self within one session of just rolling it self out...

Thanks for the feedback fulfillthedream. These are the 99a's and it definitely looks/feels like it'll skate itself out (which is why I didn't go back to my shop) but...

PM'd!

... good thing DLXSF has the whole "customer service" thing on lockdown. Thanks again for the help everyone/DLXSF and Lenny, I would totally gnar you if I could!

fuck yeah- DLX's assurance on quality is ON POINT... I've had a few "damaged" products after the usual wear and tear of skateboarding but it's sick they're down to honor their warranties 100%

a homie of mine posted some 2 year old thunders that were down to the aceels on instagram- there was a small little crack but the trucks were on their way out any how- Jim T commented "we'll replace those" and my homie declined the offer cause he felt he got his money's worth...

If you're gonna post about the bad, you gotta post about the good. This came in the mail today...



Thanks very much Reed, Deluxe and Supra distribution! Spitfire's getting all my wheel money in the future

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« Reply #973 on: December 18, 2014, 12:09:27 AM »
this happened to me on some f4 52mm classic shaped 99a's and fixed it self within one session of just rolling it self out...

Thanks for the feedback fulfillthedream. These are the 99a's and it definitely looks/feels like it'll skate itself out (which is why I didn't go back to my shop) but...

PM'd!

... good thing DLXSF has the whole "customer service" thing on lockdown. Thanks again for the help everyone/DLXSF and Lenny, I would totally gnar you if I could!

fuck yeah- DLX's assurance on quality is ON POINT... I've had a few "damaged" products after the usual wear and tear of skateboarding but it's sick they're down to honor their warranties 100%

a homie of mine posted some 2 year old thunders that were down to the aceels on instagram- there was a small little crack but the trucks were on their way out any how- Jim T commented "we'll replace those" and my homie declined the offer cause he felt he got his money's worth...

If you're gonna post about the bad, you gotta post about the good. This came in the mail today...



Thanks very much Reed, Deluxe and Supra distribution! Spitfire's getting all my wheel money in the future

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #974 on: December 18, 2014, 06:06:19 AM »
That's exactly why I've given DLX so much of my money over the last 15+ years.  They make great stuff and odds are that you'll never have a problem with it but if you do, they take care of you.  It's uncommon in any industry but especially in the skate world.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #975 on: December 18, 2014, 08:20:58 AM »
I'll never leave you deluxe...

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #976 on: December 18, 2014, 08:32:59 AM »
this happened to me on some f4 52mm classic shaped 99a's and fixed it self within one session of just rolling it self out...

Thanks for the feedback fulfillthedream. These are the 99a's and it definitely looks/feels like it'll skate itself out (which is why I didn't go back to my shop) but...

PM'd!

... good thing DLXSF has the whole "customer service" thing on lockdown. Thanks again for the help everyone/DLXSF and Lenny, I would totally gnar you if I could!

fuck yeah- DLX's assurance on quality is ON POINT... I've had a few "damaged" products after the usual wear and tear of skateboarding but it's sick they're down to honor their warranties 100%

a homie of mine posted some 2 year old thunders that were down to the aceels on instagram- there was a small little crack but the trucks were on their way out any how- Jim T commented "we'll replace those" and my homie declined the offer cause he felt he got his money's worth...

If you're gonna post about the bad, you gotta post about the good. This came in the mail today...



Thanks very much Reed, Deluxe and Supra distribution! Spitfire's getting all my wheel money in the future

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #977 on: December 18, 2014, 01:22:44 PM »
That rules! I just got some new f4 99's today and I'm hyped to support these dudes after seeing this

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #978 on: December 23, 2014, 12:02:41 AM »
hey Lenny, i just bought some of these Speedies for my daughters first skateboard, i wanted to ask if these bubbles are normal, they are on all of the wheels on the inside by the core, and one wheel has a bubble on the riding surface. if its normal and wont effect their function im not worried about it but i thought i should check with you. thanks. (sorry for the huge pics guys)




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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #979 on: December 23, 2014, 12:46:25 AM »
I've had those on a few sets of STFs I've had. They usually don't make a difference, just cosmetic more than anything, at least from my experience. Never seen em on SFs before though.

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« Reply #980 on: December 23, 2014, 07:51:39 AM »
hey Lenny, i just bought some of these Speedies for my daughters first skateboard, i wanted to ask if these bubbles are normal, they are on all of the wheels on the inside by the core, and one wheel has a bubble on the riding surface. if its normal and wont effect their function im not worried about it but i thought i should check with you. thanks. (sorry for the huge pics guys)






Hey Tanger,

The bubbles are normal. I've talked with the product development guys about them before, and although they are a little unsightly, they should not affect the way the wheels ride at all. If for some reason your not happy with them though, PM me, and I'll take care of it for you!

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« Reply #981 on: December 23, 2014, 07:57:53 AM »
Yeah, as long as the bearing still fits it shouldn't be a problem. Has happened to me before.


I've had my eye on those all blue 99s for a minute. Been skating the white 101s pretty much all year and they're still holding strong minus a few small chips. (Which I blame myself for. Skated some pretty much unskatable pavement and that was the result. Not even mad.)


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« Reply #982 on: December 23, 2014, 08:24:24 AM »
Yea I've had those bubbles on classics many times, no big deal.

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« Reply #983 on: December 23, 2014, 11:08:01 AM »
Sweet thanks dudes!
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #984 on: January 11, 2015, 03:40:57 PM »
Sorry to bump an old thread, but are  comparable sized conical fulls wider than the Mike Anderson wheels? Like are 56 mm conical fulls the same width as 56mm manderson wheels?

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« Reply #985 on: January 11, 2015, 05:14:51 PM »
Sorry to bump an old thread, but are  comparable sized conical fulls wider than the Mike Anderson wheels? Like are 56 mm conical fulls the same width as 56mm manderson wheels?
I don't have the measurements, but I had the manderson's while my friend has the Concial Fulls in the same size, and they look exactly the same. I'm pretty sure it's the same shape/dimensions, just a different name. Maybe they changed the name since the SFW is technically Manderson's wheel, this way the F4's can be labeled as team wheels?
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #986 on: January 11, 2015, 05:18:59 PM »
Sorry to bump an old thread, but are  comparable sized conical fulls wider than the Mike Anderson wheels? Like are 56 mm conical fulls the same width as 56mm manderson wheels?
I don't have the measurements, but I had the manderson's while my friend has the Concial Fulls in the same size, and they look exactly the same. I'm pretty sure it's the same shape/dimensions, just a different name. Maybe they changed the name since the SFW is technically Manderson's wheel, this way the F4's can be labeled as team wheels?

ok cool. thanks dude!

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #987 on: January 12, 2015, 04:34:43 PM »
ight so i had the FULL shape 99's when they first came out and wanna try the conicals again, but the full 99's didn't really slide like i wanted. ive had the 101 and 99 classics, and the 101 was a little too slick at times. what i wanna know is if i get the regular conicals in a 101, will it kinda balance out the hardness? i guess i just wanna know if they will kinda have a balance of grip and slide like the classic 99 or what?

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #988 on: January 12, 2015, 06:05:32 PM »
ight so i had the FULL shape 99's when they first came out and wanna try the conicals again, but the full 99's didn't really slide like i wanted. ive had the 101 and 99 classics, and the 101 was a little too slick at times. what i wanna know is if i get the regular conicals in a 101, will it kinda balance out the hardness? i guess i just wanna know if they will kinda have a balance of grip and slide like the classic 99 or what?

I've ridden the following F4s:

52mm 101 classic
53mm 99a classic
54mm 101a conical fulls (lost them)
54mm 101a conicals

I'm with you on the 99a slide (I rode them after the 52 101s) but they are great for rougher roads. The conical fulls were strictly park use until I lost them so very little in the way of slides (bowl park) except for on the walls of the big bowls (alleyoop slides).

The conicals in 101a do indeed work like you are thinking. Slide like a 101 should, glassy but with a bit more grip than say the classic 101s. Case in point, I took two setups out recently to skate with my kids in a parking lot, was sliding around on the conicals, all good, switch to the 101 classics and damn near killed myself on the first slide (using the same effort).

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« Reply #989 on: January 15, 2015, 05:57:53 PM »
If I had to ride only one set of wheels for the rest of my skate life, it would be 56mm Conical Full 99a F4s. Fucking love them on all terrain. Now just make them in that orange Spitifre used to do in the 90s and I'm done.