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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #1620 on: August 30, 2017, 01:49:02 AM »
Gotta set of the Radial F4's 53mm. was skating the Radial Slims before, skated the regular radials for a few days but couldn't get used to them so went back to the old radial slims. dont think i can really get used to the wider wheels like the conicals, classic wide, radial etc. radial slims are the widest i can go.

I seem to be the exact opposite. Got a set of radial slims now and I'm wondering why I ever bought them. Really hard getting used to them. I feel like I should have at least conicals if not conical fulls. Even with 149s on a 8.25" the radial slims look a bit too magic carpet for me. I'll give them a few more sessions and if I can't get used to them, I'll have to get rid of them and get something wider. Funny how this goes.  :D
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Set up a new set of radial slims, 101/52mm (the ones with the cobra) and 2 sessions in I have the same problem that I had with my previous set of radial slims. The bearings keep sliding out of the pockets (after 2-3 tricks or a few turns of just riding) and the board feels slow and sluggish which is expected when the bearings are not placed properly. I just wonder if both sets were faulty as I never had this problem with any other set of spitfires (bones would do that but only when the bearing sockets would become slack, after a month or so). I know this can be cured/avoided by using spacers and I really don't wanna get into another "spacers are good" discussion. Anyway, just ordered two sets of classics 52mm and 50mm and can't wait for them to arrive.

 :D I'm at the other end of that argument for sure but yeah, let's not get into it. I have spacers in my radial slims so I haven't had any such issues but the bearings do not sit deep at all in the radial slims. I think that might be causing them not to be seated very tight.

felt like trying classics so i threw a old set on replacing my radial slims and holy shit - theres a world of a difference on how the bearings function in the classic shape (bearings go in deep) and the radial slims (bearings dont go in deep)  - the classics allow the bearings to spin faster.. after trying the classic slim, classic wide, conical full, radial and radial slim.. the classic really works the best for me!

what do you have to say about these wheels regarding bearing placement? I have never seen a set of classic slims first hand and have always been into the slimmer shapes so I'm curious. I had ordered a set of classics 52mm and a set of classics 50mm and both arrived yesterday. As stated on the spitfire sizing diagram, the 50mm are slightly narrower than the 52mm and look like a treat to skate. I'm going to set the 52's first and when they are done I will go to the 50's so I don't feel the transition in size as much. I know for a fact that the smaller I go on wheel size, the better my skating gets (I am an old-ish pussy and mostly skate mirror smooth concrete)
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #1621 on: August 30, 2017, 05:07:34 PM »
I skated some classic slims and the bearings sit fine. Not noticeably pushed out at all, like they look on the radial slims.
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #1622 on: August 30, 2017, 05:40:28 PM »
@ Esquivel -what Tangar said - theres no noticeable  difference. heres a old photo

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #1623 on: August 31, 2017, 02:04:43 AM »
@ Esquivel -what Tangar said - theres no noticeable  difference. heres a old photo



I am worried about my laptop's keyboard because right now I am drooling hard- these classic slims look absolutely amazing. Skated the 52mm set yesterday, stoked like every time I have laid my hands on classics.
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #1624 on: September 02, 2017, 09:20:18 PM »
I'm about 5 days in with my radial slim 101a 54mm's and they are seriously the greatest wheels ever. They get me so stoked with every powerslide that comes effortlessly. Even less effort than the classic shape, these are just pure butter. Aesthetically, they look so perfect on my stage 7 Indy's. Thank you deluxe, you absolutely nailed it with this formula and shape.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #1625 on: September 05, 2017, 11:50:58 AM »
I guess I'm going against the grain here.
I was on a set of radial slims 52mm 101a for about 6 months or so. Overall they were great. But recently I was skating this spot where I was landing sideways in a big crack / seam. I landed bolts like 10 times and kept getting pitched because I could not roll through this crack. Right then I decided I wanted a little wider wheel next time. Also, I found that I'd be going fast and just try to carve backside and I would start sliding. Although it's kind of fun to lose control and then regain it, that is not what I want from a wheel.
So this time around, I got some conicals. 52mm, 99a. So far, I'm loving them and think I've found the perfect wheel. It's only 1.5 mm wider than the slims, so it's still skinny enough. And they still slide great for powerslides or nose/tail slides. But I'm not just losing grip out of the blue like I was with the 101's.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #1626 on: September 05, 2017, 12:34:53 PM »
I guess I'm going against the grain here.
I was on a set of radial slims 52mm 101a for about 6 months or so. Overall they were great. But recently I was skating this spot where I was landing sideways in a big crack / seam. I landed bolts like 10 times and kept getting pitched because I could not roll through this crack. Right then I decided I wanted a little wider wheel next time. Also, I found that I'd be going fast and just try to carve backside and I would start sliding. Although it's kind of fun to lose control and then regain it, that is not what I want from a wheel.
So this time around, I got some conicals. 52mm, 99a. So far, I'm loving them and think I've found the perfect wheel. It's only 1.5 mm wider than the slims, so it's still skinny enough. And they still slide great for powerslides or nose/tail slides. But I'm not just losing grip out of the blue like I was with the 101's.
The exact reason why I switched from those back to good ole stf v3's. Most of my friends skate F4's without any problems but for me they were little bit too unpredictable,especially on tight tranny.
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #1627 on: September 10, 2017, 05:06:36 PM »
Quote from: Krooked antihero  link=topic=68020.msg2682959#msg2682959 date=1504640093
I guess I'm going against the grain here.
I was on a set of radial slims 52mm 101a for about 6 months or so. Overall they were great. But recently I was skating this spot where I was landing sideways in a big crack / seam. I landed bolts like 10 times and kept getting pitched because I could not roll through this crack. Right then I decided I wanted a little wider wheel next time. Also, I found that I'd be going fast and just try to carve backside and I would start sliding. Although it's kind of fun to lose control and then regain it, that is not what I want from a wheel.
So this time around, I got some conicals. 52mm, 99a. So far, I'm loving them and think I've found the perfect wheel. It's only 1.5 mm wider than the slims, so it's still skinny enough. And they still slide great for powerslides or nose/tail slides. But I'm not just losing grip out of the blue like I was with the 101's.
The exact reason why I switched from those back to good ole stf v3's. Most of my friends skate F4's without any problems but for me they were little bit too unpredictable,especially on tight tranny.

I've been having this issue recently with Formula 4's as well.  I got the new Lock Ins and they're really slippery.  Had me reminiscing about Parkburners.

May just try to pick up some Classics and try to forget about all these formula's.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #1628 on: September 10, 2017, 05:09:58 PM »
Quote from: Krooked antihero  link=topic=68020.msg2682959#msg2682959 date=1504640093
I guess I'm going against the grain here.
I was on a set of radial slims 52mm 101a for about 6 months or so. Overall they were great. But recently I was skating this spot where I was landing sideways in a big crack / seam. I landed bolts like 10 times and kept getting pitched because I could not roll through this crack. Right then I decided I wanted a little wider wheel next time. Also, I found that I'd be going fast and just try to carve backside and I would start sliding. Although it's kind of fun to lose control and then regain it, that is not what I want from a wheel.
So this time around, I got some conicals. 52mm, 99a. So far, I'm loving them and think I've found the perfect wheel. It's only 1.5 mm wider than the slims, so it's still skinny enough. And they still slide great for powerslides or nose/tail slides. But I'm not just losing grip out of the blue like I was with the 101's.
The exact reason why I switched from those back to good ole stf v3's. Most of my friends skate F4's without any problems but for me they were little bit too unpredictable,especially on tight tranny.

I've been having this issue recently with Formula 4's as well.  I got the new Lock Ins and they're really slippery.  Had me reminiscing about Parkburners.

May just try to pick up some Classics and try to forget about all these formula's.

Are classics much different to f4's? I heard they flatspot way easier. F4's have never let me down so I'd be bummed if I spend 35 on classics and they suck when I could have got f4's for 40

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #1629 on: September 15, 2017, 07:31:53 AM »

Are classics much different to f4's? I heard they flatspot way easier. F4's have never let me down so I'd be bummed if I spend 35 on classics and they suck when I could have got f4's for 40

Classics do flatspot easier - get f4s
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #1630 on: September 15, 2017, 07:41:07 PM »
picked up some 56mm 99A conical fulls today, the last set I had in that size/shape lasted two years.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #1631 on: September 19, 2017, 06:05:46 AM »
Anyone curious on the lock ins I'd highly recommend them

I set up a pair of 53mm 99a last week and I gotta say they lock in way better than any other shape -- go figure

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #1632 on: September 19, 2017, 07:08:46 AM »
I skate my f4's for like a year minimum so not keen on buying a set of lockins and them wearing down weird/the gimmick vanishing. Makes sense to just stick with classic shape

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #1633 on: September 25, 2017, 06:51:36 PM »
I've been running radial slim 99s in the winter and 101s in the summer. I've decided I like the 101s more, so I bought some conical 101s for the winter. I'm thinking the little bit of extra width will be enough for slippery situations. Can anyone let me know how the conicals compare to the radial slims?
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #1634 on: September 25, 2017, 07:18:44 PM »
I've been running radial slim 99s in the winter and 101s in the summer. I've decided I like the 101s more, so I bought some conical 101s for the winter. I'm thinking the little bit of extra width will be enough for slippery situations. Can anyone let me know how the conicals compare to the radial slims?

It's weird, 101s seem to ride fine in snow, but are suicide in the rain!!

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #1635 on: September 25, 2017, 08:53:23 PM »
I've been running radial slim 99s in the winter and 101s in the summer. I've decided I like the 101s more, so I bought some conical 101s for the winter. I'm thinking the little bit of extra width will be enough for slippery situations. Can anyone let me know how the conicals compare to the radial slims?

They should slide about the same as a bigger surface area (wider wheel) does not increase the coefficient of friction (grip).

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #1636 on: September 26, 2017, 12:18:37 AM »
I've been running radial slim 99s in the winter and 101s in the summer. I've decided I like the 101s more, so I bought some conical 101s for the winter. I'm thinking the little bit of extra width will be enough for slippery situations. Can anyone let me know how the conicals compare to the radial slims?

They should slide about the same as a bigger surface area (wider wheel) does not increase the coefficient of friction (grip).

I agree with this but it has made me think what the ideal wheel width for powerslides would be. I have noticed that if I am using super skinny wheels I get some serious vibration because of the abrasion of the wheels paired with their narrow shape. The wider the wheels, the pitch of the vibration becomes finer and I get to slide smoother without much "brrrrrrr" but more of a "screeech" sound that I believe helps preserve speed and also puts less stress on my bearings. Any thoughts? What is SLAP's preferred wheel width for powerslides? For 52mm that I usually skate I definitely have to go radial slims>classics
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #1637 on: September 26, 2017, 12:42:16 AM »
I've been running radial slim 99s in the winter and 101s in the summer. I've decided I like the 101s more, so I bought some conical 101s for the winter. I'm thinking the little bit of extra width will be enough for slippery situations. Can anyone let me know how the conicals compare to the radial slims?

They should slide about the same as a bigger surface area (wider wheel) does not increase the coefficient of friction (grip).

I agree with this but it has made me think what the ideal wheel width for powerslides would be. I have noticed that if I am using super skinny wheels I get some serious vibration because of the abrasion of the wheels paired with their narrow shape. The wider the wheels, the pitch of the vibration becomes finer and I get to slide smoother without much "brrrrrrr" but more of a "screeech" sound that I believe helps preserve speed and also puts less stress on my bearings. Any thoughts? What is SLAP's preferred wheel width for powerslides? For 52mm that I usually skate I definitely have to go radial slims>classics

For street skating at nice spots, definitely something thinner like radial slims. For bombing hills and skating shitty terrain, a wider wheel like lock-ins or conicals/conical fulls help a bit.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #1638 on: September 26, 2017, 01:49:11 AM »
I've been running radial slim 99s in the winter and 101s in the summer. I've decided I like the 101s more, so I bought some conical 101s for the winter. I'm thinking the little bit of extra width will be enough for slippery situations. Can anyone let me know how the conicals compare to the radial slims?

They should slide about the same as a bigger surface area (wider wheel) does not increase the coefficient of friction (grip).

I agree with this but it has made me think what the ideal wheel width for powerslides would be. I have noticed that if I am using super skinny wheels I get some serious vibration because of the abrasion of the wheels paired with their narrow shape. The wider the wheels, the pitch of the vibration becomes finer and I get to slide smoother without much "brrrrrrr" but more of a "screeech" sound that I believe helps preserve speed and also puts less stress on my bearings. Any thoughts? What is SLAP's preferred wheel width for powerslides? For 52mm that I usually skate I definitely have to go radial slims>classics

For street skating at nice spots, definitely something thinner like radial slims. For bombing hills and skating shitty terrain, a wider wheel like lock-ins or conicals/conical fulls help a bit.

I'm trying to find something that works well for both. I love how radial slims work on ledges. But, like you said they don't help when skating something rough.

What do you guys think are the best all terrain F4s (101s)? Classics, regular radials or conicals?

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #1639 on: September 26, 2017, 02:38:07 AM »
Classics, hence the name

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #1640 on: September 26, 2017, 07:05:00 AM »
Quote from: Krooked antihero  link=topic=68020.msg2682959#msg2682959 date=1504640093
I guess I'm going against the grain here.
I was on a set of radial slims 52mm 101a for about 6 months or so. Overall they were great. But recently I was skating this spot where I was landing sideways in a big crack / seam. I landed bolts like 10 times and kept getting pitched because I could not roll through this crack. Right then I decided I wanted a little wider wheel next time. Also, I found that I'd be going fast and just try to carve backside and I would start sliding. Although it's kind of fun to lose control and then regain it, that is not what I want from a wheel.
So this time around, I got some conicals. 52mm, 99a. So far, I'm loving them and think I've found the perfect wheel. It's only 1.5 mm wider than the slims, so it's still skinny enough. And they still slide great for powerslides or nose/tail slides. But I'm not just losing grip out of the blue like I was with the 101's.
The exact reason why I switched from those back to good ole stf v3's. Most of my friends skate F4's without any problems but for me they were little bit too unpredictable,especially on tight tranny.

V3s for Tranny? Mini ramps maybe...

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #1641 on: September 26, 2017, 07:33:03 AM »

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #1642 on: September 28, 2017, 08:56:07 AM »
i drive myself crazy with wheel shapes all the time.  I personally think the conical sidewalls are not as aesthetically pleasing as the classics, or even the radials...

anyways, the classics are already a pretty wide wheel to begin with and if you skate a set of em long enough, the riding surface gets to be just about as wide as a conical shape, and then you have the more attractive sidewalls. 

i dunno. i'm still influenced heavily by whomever's part(s) i'm watching at the moment.  if i'm watching more recent skate parts (or even AVE), I tend to want to throw on some conicals, but if im watching older stuff then I tend to want to throw on some classics.
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #1643 on: September 28, 2017, 10:56:56 AM »
i drive myself crazy with wheel shapes all the time.  I personally think the conical sidewalls are not as aesthetically pleasing as the classics, or even the radials...

anyways, the classics are already a pretty wide wheel to begin with and if you skate a set of em long enough, the riding surface gets to be just about as wide as a conical shape, and then you have the more attractive sidewalls. 

i dunno. i'm still influenced heavily by whomever's part(s) i'm watching at the moment.[/b}  if i'm watching more recent skate parts (or even AVE), I tend to want to throw on some conicals, but if im watching older stuff then I tend to want to throw on some classics.

exactly how I am with literally everything. I watch a gonz part, I want a krooked board. I watch Elijah Berle footage, I want conical full and old skools.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #1644 on: September 29, 2017, 07:25:57 AM »
Classics have the smallest riding surface. It doesn't get much wider unless you ride them down to 40mm.
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #1645 on: September 29, 2017, 08:04:13 AM »
Just tried the 53mm 101 lock ins last night. They slide really nicely. More controllable than conicals in my opinion.

Funny that spitfire just keeps reviving their older shapes in the formula four urethane (classic slims, lock ins).




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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #1646 on: September 29, 2017, 09:18:43 AM »
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #1647 on: September 29, 2017, 07:16:09 PM »

Funny that spitfire just keeps reviving their older shapes in the formula four urethane (classic slims, lock ins).


they should just make the f4 urethane the standard for all the wheels!
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #1648 on: October 02, 2017, 07:52:59 PM »
Just tried the 53mm 101 lock ins last night. They slide really nicely. More controllable than conicals in my opinion.

Funny that spitfire just keeps reviving their older shapes in the formula four urethane (classic slims, lock ins).



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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #1649 on: October 03, 2017, 05:22:34 AM »
At the shop I work we have the hjalte f4 classic shape wheel and the Daan van der Linden f4 radial slim wheel.
Hard to choose!
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