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« Reply #420 on: November 12, 2016, 12:40:34 PM »
Are there any tablet shaped wheels out now other than the Bones V2?

BMCSteve hooked me up with a set of Ricta Westgate NRG about a year ago and they were great. They are about as close to that V2 tablet shape as you'll find. I might actually look at another set of them at some point. Really nice wheels.

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« Reply #421 on: November 12, 2016, 03:06:47 PM »
Are there any tablet shaped wheels out now other than the Bones V2?

BMCSteve hooked me up with a set of Ricta Westgate NRG about a year ago and they were great. They are about as close to that V2 tablet shape as you'll find. I might actually look at another set of them at some point. Really nice wheels.
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Just looked up some pics and that's pretty much exactly what I'm looking for.
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« Reply #422 on: November 21, 2016, 02:25:54 AM »
I'm trying to get some new wheels and need help pals

Which wheels feel close to bones stf or are grippy but slidy too

Ricta
Oj insane a thane
Autobahn
Sml

I love my stf's but I wanna try something new but don't wanna risk wasting my hard earned American dollars on a crappy wheel and so far I'm kinda wondering why did I even list the oj cause it seems the reviews on them aren't all good

I'm kinda thinking sml but ricta or maybe auto banh sound promising

Especially the rictas with that NRG formula

But really i want something grippy, main focus on grippy but still has some slidability

I did formula fours for a while, like 6 sets but after stepping back on bones I noticed formula fours no matter the shape or durometer they're kinda slippery, too slippery for my preference

I tried spit classics too and even they are kinda slick
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« Reply #423 on: November 22, 2016, 06:39:22 AM »
I just can't imagine not skating formula fours at this point. Every other wheel I've tried has been way worse in comparison, OJ'S especially. The 99du conical full shape are the grippiest set I've had yet had generous slide when needed

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« Reply #424 on: November 22, 2016, 04:57:17 PM »
Spit classics and Bones 100's mine as well be the same wheel, same with any basic wheel from any company. Not till you get into better quality ones like STF, SPF, or F4's where you will notice any difference. But like dude said above, F4's have dominated the market for a good reason, because they really are the best. I tried those Insane-a-thanes and they gargled balls. As any OJ wheel does. The wheel is named OJ for fuck sake lol. If you're an all terrain skater, or really any type of skater, F4's are the best.... period. If you only skate parks, SPFs are a solid option too, but they're still Bones and are plasticky.

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« Reply #425 on: November 22, 2016, 08:01:36 PM »
Aha okay I guess oj are off the list, I'm deciding ricta maybe

Idk formula fours in my opinion are becoming over rated like indy's

Yeah they're good for hardcore skating because they're kinda hard but feel like real urethane and slide easy butttttt...

It's all truly preference, I like bones stf better after all these formula fours cause I like and need something grippier but with some slide and the stf definitely deliver, I can make a hard turn and  my trucks are medium and I don't have to worry about sliding out

I tried the full conical and they didn't take the rebound rolling over cracks well cause the riding surface edges are straight and sharp rather than rounded like regular street shape so I instantly didn't like them and they gripped too much that my slides needed a little effort for formula fours

Bones have made wheels for years so I feel that grippy yet still somewhat easy to slide stf formula is the deal, when I stepped back on a set I remembered why I rode a set for like a year and a half and loved them
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« Reply #426 on: November 23, 2016, 12:15:09 AM »
OJ Insane a thane. Love them. Wish they were a tad bit thinner but fuck it. Skated both ez edge and hardline and prefer the hardline shape as it's close to bones STF V5/SPF P5 shape.

I find F4s slow in PARKS, 99 or 101, doesn't matter - 99a Rictas are faster than F4s. Yes, F4s feel like 'classic' urethane, i.e. gummy. Not a bad thing, especially on street; regular 101 OJs feel like spit 99s to me (NOT insane a thane formula).




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« Reply #427 on: November 23, 2016, 11:22:03 PM »
SPF is hard and sticky......

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« Reply #428 on: November 24, 2016, 10:00:45 AM »
Rob - I am partial to Autobahn and I've tried everything. Grip to slide is about 60/40 without feeling slow or gummy. I don't know what shape you prefer but Autobahn has a lot to choose from. I flip back and forth between the 52 slim shape and 52 Torus shape.

OJ Insane a Thane is also a good choice. I bought those Rojo 52 on an impulse an they were great. Was surprised.

Wayward makes great stuff too but they're a little more expensive.

SML has been hit and miss for me.

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« Reply #429 on: November 24, 2016, 08:50:08 PM »
I just can't imagine not skating formula fours at this point. Every other wheel I've tried has been way worse in comparison, OJ'S especially. The 99du conical full shape are the grippiest set I've had yet had generous slide when needed

Are the conical full noticeably grippier than the f4 classics? I've been riding a set(99a) on and off and they tend to slip out on tranny or even tight carves on smooth sidewalks. I would like a little squeekier slide too. I've tried OJ Insane-a-thane and some SPFs recently, but I like the f4 better as an all around wheel (shit feels good on rougher spots). 

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« Reply #430 on: November 24, 2016, 09:41:06 PM »
I just can't imagine not skating formula fours at this point. Every other wheel I've tried has been way worse in comparison, OJ'S especially. The 99du conical full shape are the grippiest set I've had yet had generous slide when needed

Are the conical full noticeably grippier than the f4 classics? I've been riding a set(99a) on and off and they tend to slip out on tranny or even tight carves on smooth sidewalks. I would like a little squeekier slide too. I've tried OJ Insane-a-thane and some SPFs recently, but I like the f4 better as an all around wheel (shit feels good on rougher spots). 

Conical Fulls feel more secure navigating smooth transitional curves, for sure.

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« Reply #431 on: November 25, 2016, 08:55:59 PM »
Rob - I am partial to Autobahn and I've tried everything. Grip to slide is about 60/40 without feeling slow or gummy. I don't know what shape you prefer but Autobahn has a lot to choose from. I flip back and forth between the 52 slim shape and 52 Torus shape.

OJ Insane a Thane is also a good choice. I bought those Rojo 52 on an impulse an they were great. Was surprised.

Wayward makes great stuff too but they're a little more expensive.

SML has been hit and miss for me.

aha dang, i guess ill buy a set of autobanh since theyre cheap to try.

really oj insane a thane are legit? how close to stf would they be in grip and slide though?

ive been thinking sml since james craig says most of the formula are like stf except the i think austin gillete formula thats more like a spitfire classic, ive stepped on some sml before and they were alright. felt proper. like a louder grippier stf.

thankyou so much for the reply everyone, especially you heritage
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« Reply #432 on: November 26, 2016, 11:48:26 AM »
Rob - no problem at all my man. What size do you skate? I can send you a set of 52 to try. I may even have 53 laying around.  Just hit me with a PM if you want a set without laying out any cash.

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« Reply #433 on: November 26, 2016, 05:09:49 PM »
Rob - I am partial to Autobahn and I've tried everything. Grip to slide is about 60/40 without feeling slow or gummy. I don't know what shape you prefer but Autobahn has a lot to choose from. I flip back and forth between the 52 slim shape and 52 Torus shape.

OJ Insane a Thane is also a good choice. I bought those Rojo 52 on an impulse an they were great. Was surprised.

Wayward makes great stuff too but they're a little more expensive.

SML has been hit and miss for me.

aha dang, i guess ill buy a set of autobanh since theyre cheap to try.

really oj insane a thane are legit? how close to stf would they be in grip and slide though?

ive been thinking sml since james craig says most of the formula are like stf except the i think austin gillete formula thats more like a spitfire classic, ive stepped on some sml before and they were alright. felt proper. like a louder grippier stf.

thankyou so much for the reply everyone, especially you heritage

I wanted to like my .sml wheels as I am partial to cored wheels, they were just too grippy for me (slim shape).

OJ insanes are legit once you get used to them. Fast, hard, loud, grippy AND slidey, they're just a bit chalky at first. I'd say they are a tad grippier than STFs and by proxy not as slidey/slippery.

I've sets of all sorts of shit around, AB/spit/bones/ricta/oj and rotate them in and out weekly depending on park or street and what I feel like trying and where. Everytime I setup STFs I cannot fathom why people skate them other than them being really slippery and slidey for ledge stuff as they feel slow compared to everything else I have.

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« Reply #434 on: November 26, 2016, 10:24:50 PM »
pro / cons of the round wheels vs the straight cut ones?

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« Reply #435 on: November 27, 2016, 04:10:23 AM »
Rob - no problem at all my man. What size do you skate? I can send you a set of 52 to try. I may even have 53 laying around.  Just hit me with a PM if you want a set without laying out any cash.

Ohhhhh definitely, thank you so much my dude. Super grateful :D  ;D

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« Reply #436 on: November 29, 2016, 02:30:50 AM »
I sent a pm but idk if you got it yet
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #437 on: November 29, 2016, 07:19:36 AM »


Looks like Santa Cruz stopped making the 54mm Slime Balls, which was my fav wheel. Anyone got recommendations for 97a wheels in the 54-57mm range? Preferably bright green cus green wheels are faster....

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« Reply #438 on: November 29, 2016, 09:41:05 AM »


Looks like Santa Cruz stopped making the 54mm Slime Balls, which was my fav wheel. Anyone got recommendations for 97a wheels in the 54-57mm range? Preferably bright green cus green wheels are faster....

How about the new OJ Elite Mini Combos? Saw them on Social Media recently, not sure if the shape is the same and only 95a...not exact but close!

Plenty of the purple and or green 97a creature wheels out there still.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #439 on: November 29, 2016, 01:50:32 PM »
I just can't imagine not skating formula fours at this point. Every other wheel I've tried has been way worse in comparison, OJ'S especially. The 99du conical full shape are the grippiest set I've had yet had generous slide when needed

Are the conical full noticeably grippier than the f4 classics? I've been riding a set(99a) on and off and they tend to slip out on tranny or even tight carves on smooth sidewalks. I would like a little squeekier slide too. I've tried OJ Insane-a-thane and some SPFs recently, but I like the f4 better as an all around wheel (shit feels good on rougher spots). 

Yes, although I don't know if I would say "grippier" - they're just more stable, especially on transition. I was riding fulls for so long that classics feel like stilts on tranny - like, I grip the same, it just takes very little effort to move the wheel out of place.

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« Reply #440 on: November 29, 2016, 02:27:33 PM »
The magic of surface area!

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« Reply #441 on: November 29, 2016, 08:08:21 PM »
I'll just leave this here:
http://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae140.cfm

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Although a larger area of contact between two surfaces would create a larger source of frictional forces, it also reduces the pressure between the two surfaces for a given force holding them together. Since pressure equals force divided by the area of contact, it works out that the increase in friction generating area is exactly offset by the reduction in pressure; the resulting frictional forces, then, are dependent only on the frictional coefficient of the materials and the FORCE holding them together.

If you were to increase the force as you increased the area to keep PRESSURE the same, then increasing the area WOULD increase the frictional force between the two surfaces.

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« Reply #442 on: November 30, 2016, 07:54:26 AM »
I'll just leave this here:
http://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae140.cfm

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Although a larger area of contact between two surfaces would create a larger source of frictional forces, it also reduces the pressure between the two surfaces for a given force holding them together. Since pressure equals force divided by the area of contact, it works out that the increase in friction generating area is exactly offset by the reduction in pressure; the resulting frictional forces, then, are dependent only on the frictional coefficient of the materials and the FORCE holding them together.

If you were to increase the force as you increased the area to keep PRESSURE the same, then increasing the area WOULD increase the frictional force between the two surfaces.

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Couldn't the perception of higher "grippyness" or friction in wider wheels comes from the fact that a wider wheel is generally heavier (which increases the initial force?) than a slimmer wheel (lighter -> less force?).
My physics class are like then year behind me, but shouldn't the added weight of the wider wheel have some impact on the friction force?

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« Reply #443 on: November 30, 2016, 08:29:56 AM »
I'll just leave this here:
http://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae140.cfm

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Although a larger area of contact between two surfaces would create a larger source of frictional forces, it also reduces the pressure between the two surfaces for a given force holding them together. Since pressure equals force divided by the area of contact, it works out that the increase in friction generating area is exactly offset by the reduction in pressure; the resulting frictional forces, then, are dependent only on the frictional coefficient of the materials and the FORCE holding them together.

If you were to increase the force as you increased the area to keep PRESSURE the same, then increasing the area WOULD increase the frictional force between the two surfaces.

 :-X
Couldn't the perception of higher "grippyness" or friction in wider wheels comes from the fact that a wider wheel is generally heavier (which increases the initial force?) than a slimmer wheel (lighter -> less force?).
My physics class are like then year behind me, but shouldn't the added weight of the wider wheel have some impact on the friction force?

Well, the weight difference is very small, when you take into account all the weight of the skateboard and the rider on top of it.

Just weighed some 54 mm cruiser wheels, other conical, other classic shape. Weight difference was 10 grams per wheel (71g and 61g). My setup as a whole is around 2400 grams, so the added weight from a conical shaped wheel for me would be around 1.7% and that's only taking into account the weight of the setup, not your weight at all. So for example for myself, with powerslides on flat, the weight difference with the conical wheels would be about 0,043% if i count that i weigh 90 kg with my skate gear on, which in reality is a bit of a low estimate right now sadly.

But even if you have all light gear and weigh much less yourself, the difference is really fucking small. I'd argue it's absolutely negligible. I see the wheel shape (in non sharp edged wheels) physically affecting locking into grinds more than anything else. Mentally though, the effect can be huge and that is like 95% of skating anyway.  :)

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« Reply #444 on: November 30, 2016, 10:17:33 AM »
Rob - I am partial to Autobahn and I've tried everything. Grip to slide is about 60/40 without feeling slow or gummy. I don't know what shape you prefer but Autobahn has a lot to choose from. I flip back and forth between the 52 slim shape and 52 Torus shape.

OJ Insane a Thane is also a good choice. I bought those Rojo 52 on an impulse an they were great. Was surprised.

Wayward makes great stuff too but they're a little more expensive.

SML has been hit and miss for me.

aha dang, i guess ill buy a set of autobanh since theyre cheap to try.

really oj insane a thane are legit? how close to stf would they be in grip and slide though?

ive been thinking sml since james craig says most of the formula are like stf except the i think austin gillete formula thats more like a spitfire classic, ive stepped on some sml before and they were alright. felt proper. like a louder grippier stf.

thankyou so much for the reply everyone, especially you heritage

I wanted to like my .sml wheels as I am partial to cored wheels, they were just too grippy for me (slim shape).

OJ insanes are legit once you get used to them. Fast, hard, loud, grippy AND slidey, they're just a bit chalky at first. I'd say they are a tad grippier than STFs and by proxy not as slidey/slippery.

I've sets of all sorts of shit around, AB/spit/bones/ricta/oj and rotate them in and out weekly depending on park or street and what I feel like trying and where. Everytime I setup STFs I cannot fathom why people skate them other than them being really slippery and slidey for ledge stuff as they feel slow compared to everything else I have.

Went from F4 Classic 52mm 99a to OJ Insane 54mm 101a and the slide is super easy at first and once you wear them down it becomes difficult to slide because they grip a bit. Grip definitely kicks in maybe .5mm down the wheel or something
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« Reply #445 on: November 30, 2016, 12:28:13 PM »
George Powell had a convincing argument about how wider wheels can actually be more slippery. It think he was arguing that they hold their grip a bit longer but once they start sliding its less controlled... too much science for me... I like Classics and Radials.
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« Reply #446 on: November 30, 2016, 08:39:03 PM »
I keep it pretty simple, If I wanna slide and be all squirrley, I'll ride classics. If I wanna plow through stuff, I'll ride conical fulls.

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« Reply #447 on: December 01, 2016, 03:37:59 AM »
I understand this is a discussion about wheel grip but since people are talking about overall influence of a wider wheel i would like to mention rolling friction affecting speed and how  this would vary from wheel to wheel (different widths = different rolling friction = different speed). Also how wheel width could not only affect speed but also the whole inertia of a skateboard, especially when the board is flippin
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« Reply #448 on: December 01, 2016, 04:13:41 AM »
I just put some formula four classic slims on, but I'm already itching to get back on radial slims as I felt a lot more confident on those. I feel like I lose control a lot easier on the classic slims. I can feel it (or so my mind is telling me I should feel it) on hills and bluntslides.

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« Reply #449 on: December 05, 2016, 07:06:03 PM »
hey guys im back, soooooo i got hooked up a brand new set of ojś and was really psyched.

here are my initial thoughts on OJ insane a thanes hardline 101:

theyre damp, like urethane-y real skate wheels feeling so kinda like formula fours and kinda not like what you guys think of bones/being plastic but at the same time theyre hard. like they feel soft on the surface but once you roll you can tell theyre sturdy and hard to take the beating of todays skate needs/powerslides/wallrides/terrain but to really kinda break it down, theyre the feeling between a bones stf and formula four. they roll and feel good like a soft urethane street wheel but at the same time you can tell theyre hard.

con though that sadly hold any ojś back harshly, theyre slow. idk what it is but i had a set of ojś original 99a and they were amazing, i love how they gave me such nice street wheel grippiness so i was super confident on not sliding out landing anything and having total control but like i said, SLOW like annoys you after a long cruise slow. bones stf are the fastest i felt so far, in my opinion faster than formula fours cause the bones are made from urethane that suppose to handle streets in the tech way, while formula fours just feel like theyre made to plow through terrain and give you ultimate slide and control like your some hesh skater beating the streets up

i still like the ojś and will keep riding them cause theyre still new and i like how they feel like a ole classic street wheel but with a little oomph in the formula to keep up with this generation of powersliders and all terrain rippers. i also love the shape because theyre like a bones v5 but smoother and more rounded.

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i also just got a used but still good set of ricta NRGś so ill most likely be back to tell you guys how those are, i really want and will see if this fastest urethane thing is gimmick or truth ;D
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