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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #1260 on: August 15, 2018, 10:41:31 AM »
I've been riding 56mm Spitfire Formula Four Full Conicals (99a), but have been thinking about going a bit smaller.  With the 56mm's I tend to get more wheel bite due to looser trucks and not wanting to ride a riser pad.  I'm debating on either going to a 54mm or 52mm (as well as going from Full Conicals to Classics).  Anyone that has any helpful insight would be greatly appreciated.
I skate mostly 58mm till they get to 53mm or so, but I recently switched to some SML 54 mm due to wheel bite and its a great compromise, not my favorite size or shape but still pretty good....still searching for the perfect wheel.....

Thanks for the reply to my post and all of the helpful info!  I think I'm going to try some 54mm's first and see how they work out.  I realize that it's only a couple of mm's smaller than a 56, but we'll see what happens. 

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« Reply #1261 on: August 15, 2018, 01:39:07 PM »
I've been riding 56mm Spitfire Formula Four Full Conicals (99a), but have been thinking about going a bit smaller.  With the 56mm's I tend to get more wheel bite due to looser trucks and not wanting to ride a riser pad.  I'm debating on either going to a 54mm or 52mm (as well as going from Full Conicals to Classics).  Anyone that has any helpful insight would be greatly appreciated.
I skate mostly 58mm till they get to 53mm or so, but I recently switched to some SML 54 mm due to wheel bite and its a great compromise, not my favorite size or shape but still pretty good....still searching for the perfect wheel.....

Thanks for the reply to my post and all of the helpful info!  I think I'm going to try some 54mm's first and see how they work out.  I realize that it's only a couple of mm's smaller than a 56, but we'll see what happens.

The jump from 54 to 56, while only 2mm seems soooo massive underfoot; I tend to keep it at 54mm max (I don't skate vert or giant bowls).

GT, Barros, etc., ride smaller wheels and they blast.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #1262 on: August 15, 2018, 11:17:35 PM »
I've been riding 56mm Spitfire Formula Four Full Conicals (99a), but have been thinking about going a bit smaller.  With the 56mm's I tend to get more wheel bite due to looser trucks and not wanting to ride a riser pad.  I'm debating on either going to a 54mm or 52mm (as well as going from Full Conicals to Classics).  Anyone that has any helpful insight would be greatly appreciated.
I skate mostly 58mm till they get to 53mm or so, but I recently switched to some SML 54 mm due to wheel bite and its a great compromise, not my favorite size or shape but still pretty good....still searching for the perfect wheel.....

Thanks for the reply to my post and all of the helpful info!  I think I'm going to try some 54mm's first and see how they work out.  I realize that it's only a couple of mm's smaller than a 56, but we'll see what happens.

The jump from 54 to 56, while only 2mm seems soooo massive underfoot; I tend to keep it at 54mm max (I don't skate vert or giant bowls).

GT, Barros, etc., ride smaller wheels and they blast.

Thanks Xen for the info as well!  I'm sure that the change from 56mm to 54mm will be a much different feel.  Thanks also for the info about GT and Barros; did not know they skated wheels in that size. 

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« Reply #1263 on: August 24, 2018, 05:35:26 PM »
So, this is maybe a weird question, but I'm gonna ask...

Am I doing it wrong if I get a flat spot and I just say fuck it and go get some new wheels? I'm a grown man with a decent job...it's not like I am 21 and eating tuna straight from the can (which isn't bad and it sustained me). I can afford some more wheels when I want them.

Or am I expected to be core and just push through and hope it smooths out? Because I kinda feel like, "fuck that...I like smooth and fast."

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« Reply #1264 on: August 24, 2018, 06:14:15 PM »
So, this is maybe a weird question, but I'm gonna ask...

Am I doing it wrong if I get a flat spot and I just say fuck it and go get some new wheels? I'm a grown man with a decent job...it's not like I am 21 and eating tuna straight from the can (which isn't bad and it sustained me). I can afford some more wheels when I want them.

Or am I expected to be core and just push through and hope it smooths out? Because I kinda feel like, "fuck that...I like smooth and fast."

Thanks for everything.

Nah, flat spots suck - you’re doing the right thing. I’m in a similar situation. I usually only get to skate on weekends and I’d rather enjoy myself than put up with shitty gear.

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« Reply #1265 on: August 24, 2018, 07:06:55 PM »
So, this is maybe a weird question, but I'm gonna ask...

Am I doing it wrong if I get a flat spot and I just say fuck it and go get some new wheels? I'm a grown man with a decent job...it's not like I am 21 and eating tuna straight from the can (which isn't bad and it sustained me). I can afford some more wheels when I want them.

Or am I expected to be core and just push through and hope it smooths out? Because I kinda feel like, "fuck that...I like smooth and fast."

Thanks for everything.

I get great satisfaction working flat spots out. I've got a supply of wheels but I'd rather bomb some hills to avoid all that urethane ending up in a landfill prematurely.

I rarely get them though as I use Spitfire Formula Fours nearly all the time and if I do get one its small and irons out pretty quick.

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« Reply #1266 on: August 25, 2018, 02:44:35 PM »
Currently on some F4 Conical 54s 99d and want a bit of a change. I'm tossing up between two 101d wheels, a 52 slim and a 55 conical. I skate a slippery park and mostly skate the round rail and ledges and some small transition. My local doesn't have any 99d wheels in atm otherwise i'd be skating them. As the park is slippery i'm aiming more towards the 55s but I get wheelbite (really loose trucks) on my 54s so this would be even worse. I thought a 52 with a slim profile might making locking into grinds and slides a bit easier too...

What would you skate??

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« Reply #1267 on: August 25, 2018, 02:53:58 PM »
^ 99s. Wheel size has absolutely nothing to do with grip.

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« Reply #1268 on: August 25, 2018, 04:52:06 PM »
Currently on some F4 Conical 54s 99d and want a bit of a change. I'm tossing up between two 101d wheels, a 52 slim and a 55 conical. I skate a slippery park and mostly skate the round rail and ledges and some small transition. My local doesn't have any 99d wheels in atm otherwise i'd be skating them. As the park is slippery i'm aiming more towards the 55s but I get wheelbite (really loose trucks) on my 54s so this would be even worse. I thought a 52 with a slim profile might making locking into grinds and slides a bit easier too...

What would you skate??

I would try 52 lock ins . I wouldn’t try slims @ a Park .
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #1269 on: August 27, 2018, 09:53:26 AM »
^ 99s. Wheel size has absolutely nothing to do with grip.
The bigger the wheel, the bigger the riding surface. The bigger the riding surface, the more grip you get.
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« Reply #1270 on: August 27, 2018, 10:45:44 AM »
The bigger the wheel, the bigger the riding surface.

Yes, this is usually the case.

The bigger the riding surface, the more grip you get.

This on the other hand is not true. Grip is not dependent on the size of the surface area. This is basic physics. Here's a video with a demonstration:

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« Reply #1271 on: August 27, 2018, 02:32:28 PM »
The bigger the wheel, the bigger the riding surface.

Yes, this is usually the case.

The bigger the riding surface, the more grip you get.

This on the other hand is not true. Grip is not dependent on the size of the surface area. This is basic physics. Here's a video with a demonstration:



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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #1272 on: August 28, 2018, 07:25:52 AM »
After skating them for about 5 weeks, I can say that my current set of Waywards will be my last. They start out fantastic, and in the set-up thread I praised them with about a week of skating on them. However, they wear down quickly and end up having a very slow, mushy feeling to their roll. In my opinion, Formula Fours/Bones almost always keep a consistent feeling even after a heavy decrease in size, so it's back to one of those two for me.
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #1273 on: August 28, 2018, 11:15:46 AM »
The bigger the wheel, the bigger the riding surface.

Bigger riding surface usually means greater weight.

The greater the weight, the more grip you get.

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« Reply #1274 on: August 28, 2018, 11:26:28 AM »
The bigger the wheel, the bigger the riding surface.

Bigger riding surface usually means greater weight.

The greater the weight, the more grip you get.

Fixed: surface area doesn't matter, weight does* thanks ROISTO!

NP. Weight differences between different size wheels on a skateboard set up with a rider on it is completely negligible though. If you wanna slide better, lose some weight or if you want more grips gain a whole bunch of weight, or just buy the 99s instead.  ;D

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« Reply #1275 on: August 29, 2018, 09:55:55 AM »
Not sure why there trend is wider wheels these days...more urethane for the same cost as a thinner wheel for no real added benefit (companies are losing out! :))?  I suppose wider wheels are smoother and possibly faster when dealing with shitty terrain and cracks but that's about...

Spitfire's marketing:

RADIAL SHAPE
Round edge design for control, speed, and a responsive slide

RADIAL SLIM SHAPE
Thinner, lighter hand cut round edge design for more control, speed and ultra responsive slide.

CONICAL FULL
Wider riding surface and cutaway design for unmatched control and lasting speed everywhere

CLASSIC SHAPE
The #1 Shape in skateboarding worldwide - proven for speed and control.

It's all hyperbole but by the language, the radial slims would be the best followed by the conical full

Bones:
V3: reduced friction easier slides
V4: For skaters that like a wider wheel

(oddly the V4 and v5 are tagged as having a higher resistance to flat spots than the other wheels).

Rounded roll over [pool] coping better
Straight cuts lock into ledges better
thinner = less weight
wider = heavier
Taller = faster
Smaller = accelerate quickly, slower top seed
Harder = quicker on smooth concrete, but slower on shitty terrain
Softer = higher top speed on shitty terrain
Narrow contact patch = quicker (because there is less friction on the rolling surface, think road bike tires) not DRAG on slides
Wider = more stable at high speeds? Maybe?

Sooooooo

Longboarders = speed, stability and smoothness soft big wheels

Tech = light, speed, small, narrow, hard wheels

The hesh crowd seems to go wide and 99a

Bowls/vert = speed so bigger and harder wheels (tho many ogs, live Alva go soft)


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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #1276 on: August 29, 2018, 11:13:09 AM »
Spitfire's marketing:

RADIAL SHAPE
 control

RADIAL SLIM SHAPE
more control
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #1277 on: August 29, 2018, 11:50:10 AM »
Not sure why there trend is wider wheels these days...more urethane for the same cost as a thinner wheel for no real added benefit (companies are losing out! :))?  I suppose wider wheels are smoother and possibly faster when dealing with shitty terrain and cracks but that's about...

Spitfire's marketing:

RADIAL SHAPE
Round edge design for control, speed, and a responsive slide

RADIAL SLIM SHAPE
Thinner, lighter hand cut round edge design for more control, speed and ultra responsive slide.

CONICAL FULL
Wider riding surface and cutaway design for unmatched control and lasting speed everywhere

CLASSIC SHAPE
The #1 Shape in skateboarding worldwide - proven for speed and control.

It's all hyperbole but by the language, the radial slims would be the best followed by the conical full

Bones:
V3: reduced friction easier slides
V4: For skaters that like a wider wheel

(oddly the V4 and v5 are tagged as having a higher resistance to flat spots than the other wheels).

Rounded roll over [pool] coping better
Straight cuts lock into ledges better
thinner = less weight
wider = heavier
Taller = faster
Smaller = accelerate quickly, slower top seed
Harder = quicker on smooth concrete, but slower on shitty terrain
Softer = higher top speed on shitty terrain
Narrow contact patch = quicker (because there is less friction on the rolling surface, think road bike tires) not DRAG on slides
Wider = more stable at high speeds? Maybe?

Sooooooo

Longboarders = speed, stability and smoothness soft big wheels

Tech = light, speed, small, narrow, hard wheels

The hesh crows seem to go wide, 99a

Bowls/vert = speed so bigger and harder wheels (tho many ogs, live Alva go soft)

Do I need unmatched control, control, or more control?


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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #1278 on: August 29, 2018, 11:57:47 AM »
Not sure why there trend is wider wheels these days...more urethane for the same cost as a thinner wheel for no real added benefit (companies are losing out! :))?  I suppose wider wheels are smoother and possibly faster when dealing with shitty terrain and cracks but that's about...

Spitfire's marketing:

RADIAL SHAPE
Round edge design for control, speed, and a responsive slide

RADIAL SLIM SHAPE
Thinner, lighter hand cut round edge design for more control, speed and ultra responsive slide.

CONICAL FULL
Wider riding surface and cutaway design for unmatched control and lasting speed everywhere

CLASSIC SHAPE
The #1 Shape in skateboarding worldwide - proven for speed and control.

It's all hyperbole but by the language, the radial slims would be the best followed by the conical full

Bones:
V3: reduced friction easier slides
V4: For skaters that like a wider wheel

(oddly the V4 and v5 are tagged as having a higher resistance to flat spots than the other wheels).

Rounded roll over [pool] coping better
Straight cuts lock into ledges better
thinner = less weight
wider = heavier
Taller = faster
Smaller = accelerate quickly, slower top seed
Harder = quicker on smooth concrete, but slower on shitty terrain
Softer = higher top speed on shitty terrain
Narrow contact patch = quicker (because there is less friction on the rolling surface, think road bike tires) not DRAG on slides
Wider = more stable at high speeds? Maybe?

Sooooooo

Longboarders = speed, stability and smoothness soft big wheels

Tech = light, speed, small, narrow, hard wheels

The hesh crows seem to go wide, 99a

Bowls/vert = speed so bigger and harder wheels (tho many ogs, live Alva go soft)

Do I need unmatched control, control, or more control?



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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #1279 on: August 29, 2018, 12:39:29 PM »
Spitfire's marketing:

RADIAL SHAPE
 control

RADIAL SLIM SHAPE
more control
:o



Do I need unmatched control, control, or more control?


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You'd think unmatched control right? how could just control or more control outweigh unmatched control?

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« Reply #1280 on: August 29, 2018, 03:05:29 PM »
I didn't know I was a "hesh crow"..

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #1281 on: August 30, 2018, 03:53:59 AM »
Anyone try Portland wheel co.?

They don't really make a skinny wheel which is a shame but I've been super curious lately.

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« Reply #1282 on: September 03, 2018, 01:18:53 PM »
Is there are reason wheels have treads? Like is it just from the manufacturing process? is it an aesthetic thing? There can't be a performance benefit, because they're gone in the first session.

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« Reply #1283 on: September 03, 2018, 05:38:26 PM »
Ive rode Bones STF v2s for a while. Once broken in a few days/weeks depending on how much you skate, they are the best hands down.
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« Reply #1284 on: September 03, 2018, 08:47:10 PM »
Is there are reason wheels have treads? Like is it just from the manufacturing process? is it an aesthetic thing? There can't be a performance benefit, because they're gone in the first session.
nuisance, waste of material, carry over from outdated designs/processes that were more concerned with slalom or some shit.  also puts any wheel that is not an F4 or stf at an even further disadvantage for being considered a viable option because it slows the wheel and has a level of grip that has nothing to do with the life of the wheel in general. 

maybe folks riding slick ramps might think different, but in my opinion no modern street wheel should have tread.

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« Reply #1285 on: September 03, 2018, 09:22:32 PM »
Is there are reason wheels have treads? Like is it just from the manufacturing process? is it an aesthetic thing? There can't be a performance benefit, because they're gone in the first session.
nuisance, waste of material, carry over from outdated designs/processes that were more concerned with slalom or some shit.  also puts any wheel that is not an F4 or stf at an even further disadvantage for being considered a viable option because it slows the wheel and has a level of grip that has nothing to do with the life of the wheel in general. 

maybe folks riding slick ramps might think different, but in my opinion no modern street wheel should have tread.
yeah, I can't even tell whether my new waywards suck or if it's because they still have tread on them...

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« Reply #1286 on: September 04, 2018, 05:41:28 AM »
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« Reply #1287 on: September 04, 2018, 11:33:34 AM »
Is there are reason wheels have treads? Like is it just from the manufacturing process? is it an aesthetic thing? There can't be a performance benefit, because they're gone in the first session.
nuisance, waste of material, carry over from outdated designs/processes that were more concerned with slalom or some shit.  also puts any wheel that is not an F4 or stf at an even further disadvantage for being considered a viable option because it slows the wheel and has a level of grip that has nothing to do with the life of the wheel in general. 



maybe folks riding slick ramps might think different, but in my opinion no modern street wheel should have tread.
yeah, I can't even tell whether my new waywards suck or if it's because they still have tread on them...

New Waywards have treads now?

Honestly I always thought treads were due to the manufacturing process (cutting them down or something)

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« Reply #1288 on: September 04, 2018, 04:28:39 PM »
anyone ride arrow wheels? who makes them?

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« Reply #1289 on: September 06, 2018, 07:26:16 AM »
Is there are reason wheels have treads? Like is it just from the manufacturing process? is it an aesthetic thing? There can't be a performance benefit, because they're gone in the first session.
It makes them seem really smooth and fast, so when you first get the wheel you think, "ahhh this is nice" until you get a flatspot on a powerslide or something similar.
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