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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #1260 on: August 25, 2018, 04:52:06 PM »
Currently on some F4 Conical 54s 99d and want a bit of a change. I'm tossing up between two 101d wheels, a 52 slim and a 55 conical. I skate a slippery park and mostly skate the round rail and ledges and some small transition. My local doesn't have any 99d wheels in atm otherwise i'd be skating them. As the park is slippery i'm aiming more towards the 55s but I get wheelbite (really loose trucks) on my 54s so this would be even worse. I thought a 52 with a slim profile might making locking into grinds and slides a bit easier too...

What would you skate??

I would try 52 lock ins . I wouldn’t try slims @ a Park .

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #1261 on: August 27, 2018, 09:53:26 AM »
^ 99s. Wheel size has absolutely nothing to do with grip.
The bigger the wheel, the bigger the riding surface. The bigger the riding surface, the more grip you get.

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« Reply #1262 on: August 27, 2018, 10:45:44 AM »
The bigger the wheel, the bigger the riding surface.

Yes, this is usually the case.

The bigger the riding surface, the more grip you get.

This on the other hand is not true. Grip is not dependent on the size of the surface area. This is basic physics. Here's a video with a demonstration:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idYX7kkRqbs

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #1263 on: August 27, 2018, 02:32:28 PM »
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The bigger the wheel, the bigger the riding surface.
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Yes, this is usually the case.

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The bigger the riding surface, the more grip you get.
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This on the other hand is not true. Grip is not dependent on the size of the surface area. This is basic physics. Here's a video with a demonstration:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idYX7kkRqbs


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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #1264 on: August 28, 2018, 07:25:52 AM »
After skating them for about 5 weeks, I can say that my current set of Waywards will be my last. They start out fantastic, and in the set-up thread I praised them with about a week of skating on them. However, they wear down quickly and end up having a very slow, mushy feeling to their roll. In my opinion, Formula Fours/Bones almost always keep a consistent feeling even after a heavy decrease in size, so it's back to one of those two for me.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #1265 on: August 28, 2018, 11:15:46 AM »
The bigger the wheel, the bigger the riding surface.

Bigger riding surface usually means greater weight.

The greater the weight, the more grip you get.

Fixed: surface area doesn't matter, weight does* thanks ROISTO!
« Last Edit: August 28, 2018, 11:17:24 AM by Firebert »

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« Reply #1266 on: August 28, 2018, 11:26:28 AM »
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The bigger the wheel, the bigger the riding surface.

Bigger riding surface usually means greater weight.

The greater the weight, the more grip you get.
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Fixed: surface area doesn't matter, weight does* thanks ROISTO!

NP. Weight differences between different size wheels on a skateboard set up with a rider on it is completely negligible though. If you wanna slide better, lose some weight or if you want more grips gain a whole bunch of weight, or just buy the 99s instead.  ;D

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« Reply #1267 on: August 29, 2018, 09:55:55 AM »
Not sure why there trend is wider wheels these days...more urethane for the same cost as a thinner wheel for no real added benefit (companies are losing out! :))?  I suppose wider wheels are smoother and possibly faster when dealing with shitty terrain and cracks but that's about...

Spitfire's marketing:

RADIAL SHAPE
Round edge design for control, speed, and a responsive slide

RADIAL SLIM SHAPE
Thinner, lighter hand cut round edge design for more control, speed and ultra responsive slide.

CONICAL FULL
Wider riding surface and cutaway design for unmatched control and lasting speed everywhere

CLASSIC SHAPE
The #1 Shape in skateboarding worldwide - proven for speed and control.

It's all hyperbole but by the language, the radial slims would be the best followed by the conical full

Bones:
V3: reduced friction easier slides
V4: For skaters that like a wider wheel

(oddly the V4 and v5 are tagged as having a higher resistance to flat spots than the other wheels).

Rounded roll over [pool] coping better
Straight cuts lock into ledges better
thinner = less weight
wider = heavier
Taller = faster
Smaller = accelerate quickly, slower top seed
Harder = quicker on smooth concrete, but slower on shitty terrain
Softer = higher top speed on shitty terrain
Narrow contact patch = quicker (because there is less friction on the rolling surface, think road bike tires) not DRAG on slides
Wider = more stable at high speeds? Maybe?

Sooooooo

Longboarders = speed, stability and smoothness soft big wheels

Tech = light, speed, small, narrow, hard wheels

The hesh crowd seems to go wide and 99a

Bowls/vert = speed so bigger and harder wheels (tho many ogs, live Alva go soft)


« Last Edit: August 29, 2018, 03:09:16 PM by Xen »

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #1268 on: August 29, 2018, 11:13:09 AM »
Spitfire's marketing:

RADIAL SHAPE
 control

RADIAL SLIM SHAPE
more control
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #1269 on: August 29, 2018, 11:50:10 AM »
Not sure why there trend is wider wheels these days...more urethane for the same cost as a thinner wheel for no real added benefit (companies are losing out! :))?  I suppose wider wheels are smoother and possibly faster when dealing with shitty terrain and cracks but that's about...

Spitfire's marketing:

RADIAL SHAPE
Round edge design for control, speed, and a responsive slide

RADIAL SLIM SHAPE
Thinner, lighter hand cut round edge design for more control, speed and ultra responsive slide.

CONICAL FULL
Wider riding surface and cutaway design for unmatched control and lasting speed everywhere

CLASSIC SHAPE
The #1 Shape in skateboarding worldwide - proven for speed and control.

It's all hyperbole but by the language, the radial slims would be the best followed by the conical full

Bones:
V3: reduced friction easier slides
V4: For skaters that like a wider wheel

(oddly the V4 and v5 are tagged as having a higher resistance to flat spots than the other wheels).

Rounded roll over [pool] coping better
Straight cuts lock into ledges better
thinner = less weight
wider = heavier
Taller = faster
Smaller = accelerate quickly, slower top seed
Harder = quicker on smooth concrete, but slower on shitty terrain
Softer = higher top speed on shitty terrain
Narrow contact patch = quicker (because there is less friction on the rolling surface, think road bike tires) not DRAG on slides
Wider = more stable at high speeds? Maybe?

Sooooooo

Longboarders = speed, stability and smoothness soft big wheels

Tech = light, speed, small, narrow, hard wheels

The hesh crows seem to go wide, 99a

Bowls/vert = speed so bigger and harder wheels (tho many ogs, live Alva go soft)

Do I need unmatched control, control, or more control?


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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #1270 on: August 29, 2018, 11:57:47 AM »
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Not sure why there trend is wider wheels these days...more urethane for the same cost as a thinner wheel for no real added benefit (companies are losing out! :))?  I suppose wider wheels are smoother and possibly faster when dealing with shitty terrain and cracks but that's about...

Spitfire's marketing:

RADIAL SHAPE
Round edge design for control, speed, and a responsive slide

RADIAL SLIM SHAPE
Thinner, lighter hand cut round edge design for more control, speed and ultra responsive slide.

CONICAL FULL
Wider riding surface and cutaway design for unmatched control and lasting speed everywhere

CLASSIC SHAPE
The #1 Shape in skateboarding worldwide - proven for speed and control.

It's all hyperbole but by the language, the radial slims would be the best followed by the conical full

Bones:
V3: reduced friction easier slides
V4: For skaters that like a wider wheel

(oddly the V4 and v5 are tagged as having a higher resistance to flat spots than the other wheels).

Rounded roll over [pool] coping better
Straight cuts lock into ledges better
thinner = less weight
wider = heavier
Taller = faster
Smaller = accelerate quickly, slower top seed
Harder = quicker on smooth concrete, but slower on shitty terrain
Softer = higher top speed on shitty terrain
Narrow contact patch = quicker (because there is less friction on the rolling surface, think road bike tires) not DRAG on slides
Wider = more stable at high speeds? Maybe?

Sooooooo

Longboarders = speed, stability and smoothness soft big wheels

Tech = light, speed, small, narrow, hard wheels

The hesh crows seem to go wide, 99a

Bowls/vert = speed so bigger and harder wheels (tho many ogs, live Alva go soft)
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Do I need unmatched control, control, or more control?



It's gonna be a facet of the video parts soon...

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #1271 on: August 29, 2018, 12:39:29 PM »
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Spitfire's marketing:

RADIAL SHAPE
 control

RADIAL SLIM SHAPE
more control
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:o



Do I need unmatched control, control, or more control?


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You'd think unmatched control right? how could just control or more control outweigh unmatched control?

UNMATCHED CONTROL

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #1272 on: August 29, 2018, 03:05:29 PM »
I didn't know I was a "hesh crow"..

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #1273 on: August 30, 2018, 03:53:59 AM »
Anyone try Portland wheel co.?

They don't really make a skinny wheel which is a shame but I've been super curious lately.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #1274 on: September 03, 2018, 01:18:53 PM »
Is there are reason wheels have treads? Like is it just from the manufacturing process? is it an aesthetic thing? There can't be a performance benefit, because they're gone in the first session.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #1275 on: September 03, 2018, 08:47:10 PM »
Is there are reason wheels have treads? Like is it just from the manufacturing process? is it an aesthetic thing? There can't be a performance benefit, because they're gone in the first session.
nuisance, waste of material, carry over from outdated designs/processes that were more concerned with slalom or some shit.  also puts any wheel that is not an F4 or stf at an even further disadvantage for being considered a viable option because it slows the wheel and has a level of grip that has nothing to do with the life of the wheel in general. 

maybe folks riding slick ramps might think different, but in my opinion no modern street wheel should have tread.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #1276 on: September 03, 2018, 09:22:32 PM »
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Is there are reason wheels have treads? Like is it just from the manufacturing process? is it an aesthetic thing? There can't be a performance benefit, because they're gone in the first session.
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nuisance, waste of material, carry over from outdated designs/processes that were more concerned with slalom or some shit.  also puts any wheel that is not an F4 or stf at an even further disadvantage for being considered a viable option because it slows the wheel and has a level of grip that has nothing to do with the life of the wheel in general. 

maybe folks riding slick ramps might think different, but in my opinion no modern street wheel should have tread.
yeah, I can't even tell whether my new waywards suck or if it's because they still have tread on them...

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #1277 on: September 04, 2018, 05:41:28 AM »
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no modern street wheel should have tread.
europe's like the capitol of england and france and whatever

It sucks getting old.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #1278 on: September 04, 2018, 11:33:34 AM »
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Is there are reason wheels have treads? Like is it just from the manufacturing process? is it an aesthetic thing? There can't be a performance benefit, because they're gone in the first session.
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nuisance, waste of material, carry over from outdated designs/processes that were more concerned with slalom or some shit.  also puts any wheel that is not an F4 or stf at an even further disadvantage for being considered a viable option because it slows the wheel and has a level of grip that has nothing to do with the life of the wheel in general. 



maybe folks riding slick ramps might think different, but in my opinion no modern street wheel should have tread.
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yeah, I can't even tell whether my new waywards suck or if it's because they still have tread on them...

New Waywards have treads now?

Honestly I always thought treads were due to the manufacturing process (cutting them down or something)

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #1279 on: September 04, 2018, 04:28:39 PM »
anyone ride arrow wheels? who makes them?

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #1280 on: September 06, 2018, 07:26:16 AM »
Is there are reason wheels have treads? Like is it just from the manufacturing process? is it an aesthetic thing? There can't be a performance benefit, because they're gone in the first session.
It makes them seem really smooth and fast, so when you first get the wheel you think, "ahhh this is nice" until you get a flatspot on a powerslide or something similar.

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« Reply #1281 on: September 06, 2018, 05:17:39 PM »
New Waywards have treads now?
I think they're a fairly old pair. Anyway, I had to ditch them, formula fours have officially got me hooked for life

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #1282 on: September 08, 2018, 09:10:54 AM »
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Spitfire's marketing:

RADIAL SHAPE
 control

RADIAL SLIM SHAPE
more control
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:o

  Well 'control' could mean 'grip' ( as I think your insinuating) but it also could mean manuverability in which case the more narrow wheel would give you more 'control'.
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #1283 on: September 08, 2018, 08:21:06 PM »
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Spitfire's marketing:

RADIAL SHAPE
 control

RADIAL SLIM SHAPE
more control
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:o
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  Well 'control' could mean 'grip' ( as I think your insinuating) but it also could mean manuverability in which case the more narrow wheel would give you more 'control'.

I'm not insinuating anything, that's Spitfire's actual marketing language (taken from their website) so it would be them, not me ;)

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #1284 on: September 10, 2018, 12:17:48 PM »
What are people's thoughts on going down wheel sizes/skating small wheels? I'm thinking about trying out some 50mm after years of 52mm. I know that's not a big jump, but I'm hoping for less wheelbite and less interference on nose/tailslides. Has anyone sized down and liked it/didn't like it?

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« Reply #1285 on: September 10, 2018, 02:43:22 PM »
What are people's thoughts on going down wheel sizes/skating small wheels? I'm thinking about trying out some 50mm after years of 52mm. I know that's not a big jump, but I'm hoping for less wheelbite and less interference on nose/tailslides. Has anyone sized down and liked it/didn't like it?

It's personal and based on what you skate. I'd skate 51s and a lower truck (ACE/Thunder/Venture) all day if I never touched tranny. One of my favorite setups were ACE los, a real lowpro and 50mm wheels, loved that thing.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #1286 on: September 10, 2018, 02:57:18 PM »
What are people's thoughts on going down wheel sizes/skating small wheels? I'm thinking about trying out some 50mm after years of 52mm. I know that's not a big jump, but I'm hoping for less wheelbite and less interference on nose/tailslides. Has anyone sized down and liked it/didn't like it?

In the last few years I have steadily sized down from wide 54 to skinny/tablet 52 and haven't looked back. Now 54s look like tractor tires to me. In the early 00's I couldn't imagine going below 55. Bones STF V2 recently caught my eye but they only come in 51 or 53, so I am deliberating giving 51 a go.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #1287 on: September 10, 2018, 03:32:05 PM »
What wheel shape is best for coping, I usually ride conical fulls, but am starting to wonder if they make it more difficult to come back in fakie from 5-0s...


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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #1288 on: September 10, 2018, 04:28:56 PM »
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What are people's thoughts on going down wheel sizes/skating small wheels? I'm thinking about trying out some 50mm after years of 52mm. I know that's not a big jump, but I'm hoping for less wheelbite and less interference on nose/tailslides. Has anyone sized down and liked it/didn't like it?
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In the last few years I have steadily sized down from wide 54 to skinny/tablet 52 and haven't looked back. Now 54s look like tractor tires to me. In the early 00's I couldn't imagine going below 55. Bones STF V2 recently caught my eye but they only come in 51 or 53, so I am deliberating giving 51 a go.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #1289 on: September 11, 2018, 03:03:26 AM »
What are people's thoughts on going down wheel sizes/skating small wheels? I'm thinking about trying out some 50mm after years of 52mm. I know that's not a big jump, but I'm hoping for less wheelbite and less interference on nose/tailslides. Has anyone sized down and liked it/didn't like it?

A couple of mm's is a big thing, I find it more of a switch than deck width.
My area is crusty and my local park is ancient so had to settle with a compromise between retaining speed/flip control/wheel bite. Downsizing for ledge work feels good untill I have to push downhill or hyper-pump just to hit the next lip.
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