I know Koston has been getting some hate around here, but I just opened up a pair of Four Star Koston pants, and they are awesome. I got them for $10 from the Excess Hype sale. Perfect fit, nice stretch. I look like I'm wearing normal pants, but feel like I'm wearing sweatpants. I looked for more at the Four Star site. Retail on their pants is $70. Who in the hell is paying $70 for skate brand pants?