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Re: Which company has the worst marketing?
« Reply #30 on: December 05, 2015, 07:50:34 PM »
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Re: Which company has the worst marketing?
« Reply #31 on: December 05, 2015, 11:24:36 PM »
osiris, i want to be down for them but they aren't doing jack shit, i thought they were relaunching and they had some newer shoes but that was months ago, and with the shoes they do have the sol was good but they have that shitty nubuck that rips fast as fuck. idk why i haven't seen a osiris bankrupt thread yet, i guess the mall kid money is keeping them afloat.

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Re: Which company has the worst marketing?
« Reply #32 on: December 06, 2015, 12:20:49 AM »
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Re: Which company has the worst marketing?
« Reply #33 on: December 06, 2015, 04:52:04 AM »
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Plus whenever you talk about their team riders you get to say it like, "Gou Miyagi is on heroin." Always makes me smile.

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Re: Which company has the worst marketing?
« Reply #34 on: December 06, 2015, 03:20:21 PM »
real is the worst one   brands jaime thomas did (except 1st zero years)  I totally buy real decks tho they're made good.  Alot of girls stuff      To me a company like darkstar or plan b wouldnt count
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Re: Which company has the worst marketing?
« Reply #35 on: December 06, 2015, 04:14:00 PM »
That chuting star company that always has an ad in thrasher

Chutingstar is such a good shop. I've bought maybe 75% of my product there over the last year. Huge selection, fair prices. free indoor park. The staff is cool. As much as I love that place though, I can see how their doesn't exactly scream, I'm hip

$lave has a sick team and art direction, I don't see much on the promo side though. I thought they were out of business.

I think etnies is making a great shoe that stands up to quality of converse and #NB. Also they are still skater owned. I don't feel like they're doing enough to let skaters know how good their shoes are now.

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Re: Which company has the worst marketing?
« Reply #36 on: December 06, 2015, 05:16:28 PM »
REAL has the worst graphics.

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Re: Which company has the worst marketing?
« Reply #37 on: December 06, 2015, 05:19:59 PM »
This isn't about graphics it's about marketing. REAL has one of the dopest teams and some of the best boards.

A real rider is on every second cover, and everyone knows they make the best boards.. That's pretty solid marketing if you ask me

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Re: Which company has the worst marketing?
« Reply #38 on: December 06, 2015, 05:28:20 PM »

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Re: Which company has the worst marketing?
« Reply #39 on: December 06, 2015, 05:45:35 PM »
Primitive is on Plan B 2.0 levels of snooze fest

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Re: Which company has the worst marketing?
« Reply #40 on: December 06, 2015, 07:19:20 PM »
I loathe Nike's presence in skateboarding as much as the next guy, but they're one of the most successful marketing machines in the history of modern commerce.  The companies with the worst marketing are probably the ones that do not exist anymore.  Also, G-Shock.

Marketing though, the Swoosh? Nike is successful because it was one of the early pioneers of cheap overseas labor for shoes n apparel. With that money they bought the best athletes to promote their cheap over priced product. What got them so much ground in skateboarding is they went after the retail market and put all the shops on contract who purchased from Nike. I think it's more strategic business planning than marketing.

Nike's marketing is to take the best athlete and just do an ad with them and have the nike logo and some nike slogan. They do this with every sport they're involved in. I'm sure Nike SB has some just do it hashtag equivalent, why any skater would be hyped on that marketing is a trip. If Starbucks made a brand in skateboarding it's marketing approach would be just like Nike, mage corporate culture marketing.

Nike doesn't bring anything new to the table "marketing wise" to skateboarding. They make a few good shoes and assemble a great team, they have so much purchasing power they can just take over the market. If anything Nike SB marketing would be on the level of a Super Bowl commercial which costs millions of dollars. I can't remember if that Prod commercial was actually a Super Bowl spot, but that ad is an example of Nike's level of marketing. The skateboard community does not relate to that level of income. We are taking advantage of Nike's involvement but there are some consequences.

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Re: Which company has the worst marketing?
« Reply #41 on: December 06, 2015, 08:38:28 PM »
Not entirely relevant, but can you believe that Consolidated and Natural Koncept are still going? I mean they've both always been kind of underground companies, but holy crap, how does NK stay in business?

Also, they've got a damn great team, but Jart has such a horrible aesthetic. The worst music in their videos (I think they might actually occasionally ignore their skater's song requests), basically no graphics other than logo boards in different colours. Heard a rumour that it's not owned by anyone interested in skateboarding at all, maybe a surf company or something, and it made sense to me. The only feel I get from their company is "corporate".

Real make great boards and have a stacked team, but they're also guilty of too many logo boards and their graphics have been going downhill for a couple of years too.

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but according to a friend, who its a shop owner in Madrid, they sell like crazy in Spain and part of Europe,  mostly cause they are really cheap and their quality its beyond good.....
.... so their marketing campain its basically cheap shit but quality stuff....

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Re: Which company has the worst marketing?
« Reply #42 on: December 07, 2015, 07:47:33 AM »
I love Real, but their team, reputation, and quality is all they have. Their "image" and graphics are total shit and for a company held in as high regard as they are, that's weird.

Not to mention they even bite other companies, a while back when welcome was getting big real brought out weird shaped boards with weird animal hybrid graphics and rails already attached.

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Re: Which company has the worst marketing?
« Reply #43 on: December 07, 2015, 08:17:23 AM »
theres so many stupid small companies like yezzur and revive, as far as it goes for the big companies, i think plan b has some of the worst graphics, along with blind and darkstar. strange how both teams are stacked with riders though. fallens image is shit as well

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Re: Which company has the worst marketing?
« Reply #44 on: December 07, 2015, 09:24:37 AM »
In terms of graphics, there was a weird stretch where a lot of the brands being mentioned (Plan B, Darkstar, Birdhouse, Nike SB, Element, Blind etc.) were all using a design agency called "SoupGraphix" which seems to now be defunct. Despite being talented illustrators and designers there didn't seem to be any real creative direction or soul to what they were creating. They were just churning out the same thing over and over again. Lot's of skulls, lots of animals and lots of Jim Phillips esque type of stuff; it just felt like really nice clipart. If you took the logo's off of the graphics, you honestly couldn't tell the difference between a Plan B board and a Blind.

I have no idea who thought that was a good idea but, it must have made it hard to be a rep or market any of that when it each brand looked identical (in most cases).


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Re: Which company has the worst marketing?
« Reply #45 on: December 07, 2015, 10:24:59 AM »
Marketing?

Filament Shoes

From their website: "Filament is about Skateboarding, art and music." What the hell does that even mean? They arnt putting shows on, or even demos. Plus, their website sucks, and dosent represent the spirit animal that they claim to be.

I dont understand them at all, or their image. Which is why they are terrible at marketing.

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Re: Which company has the worst marketing?
« Reply #46 on: December 07, 2015, 10:32:00 AM »
Also,

I don't think birdhouse capitalizes on the fact that they have a 2(3?) time KOTR squad. And arguably one of the best (my fav) teams in skateboarding right now. They could be echoing that Baker3 era homie vibe.

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Re: Which company has the worst marketing?
« Reply #47 on: December 07, 2015, 11:10:23 AM »
Also,

I don't think birdhouse capitalizes on the fact that they have a 2(3?) time KOTR squad. And arguably one of the best (my fav) teams in skateboarding right now. They could be echoing that Baker3 era homie vibe.

I'll bite. How do you think that Birdhouse should capitalize on their KOTR-winning squad?

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Re: Which company has the worst marketing?
« Reply #48 on: December 07, 2015, 12:08:27 PM »
This isn't about graphics it's about marketing. REAL has one of the dopest teams and some of the best boards.

A real rider is on every second cover, and everyone knows they make the best boards.. That's pretty solid marketing if you ask me

They also did the build project, the pushing city series, and alway put out quality videos. They do shit skateboarders should appreciate and they do it well. Their marketing is fine.

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Re: Which company has the worst marketing?
« Reply #49 on: December 07, 2015, 12:35:16 PM »
Stereo. Think about the team they had at one point, (Clint, Benny Fairfax, Shimizu, Renaud, Olly Todd, Supa, Dyson Ramones, Ben Gore) and they let all that go by doing crap for marketing with the team (and not paying people). They seem more interested in putting Dune and J.Lee out there than their own team. Now look at Stereo... total crap no one cares about. Sad as they were one of the sickest companies in the 90's and when they came back they had pretty good effort.

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Re: Which company has the worst marketing?
« Reply #50 on: December 07, 2015, 12:43:17 PM »
Nike...what Nike is doing is creating super diverse teams with no culture. All traditional skate brands have a culture and Nike has no culture except their bullshit corporate culture. Maybe when Jordan was in his heyday Nike had some of his culture but the NBA was gangster as fuck back then. They have great shoes and whatever but I don't like how there is nothing to identify with the brand other than being a world domination shit for decades. I can't get into any Nike marketing but I have skated their shoes for many years and would again so whatever haha.

If anything, one must admire their tenacity. Then again, Exxon would take whatever means to acquire a new profitable energy source. Unlike Converse and Adidas, who both made years and years of shit ads made by low level creative teams, Nike realized early on that they were out of touch with skateboarding. Subsequently, they hired cultural anthropologists to study skateboarders (in the "field"), and more importantly, recruited some of skateboarding's industry top cognoscenti from a now-defunct skate/lifestyle publication to lead marketing.

Nike's successful model of exclusive retail channels is not new. Almost every industry other than skateboarding makes some effort to control which stores carry their goods (most skate companies also require dealer applications, but they are designed to cater to bigger or more established stores that can pay their bills). To answer the op, worst can simultaneously be the best.

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Re: Which company has the worst marketing?
« Reply #51 on: December 07, 2015, 04:08:03 PM »
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Re: Which company has the worst marketing?
« Reply #52 on: December 07, 2015, 04:25:42 PM »
Marketing?

Filament Shoes

From their website: "Filament is about Skateboarding, art and music." What the hell does that even mean? They arnt putting shows on, or even demos. Plus, their website sucks, and dosent represent the spirit animal that they claim to be.

I dont understand them at all, or their image. Which is why they are terrible at marketing.

Hahaha you just made me remember when they tried that whole spirit animal angle ... fucking ROFL

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Re: Which company has the worst marketing?
« Reply #53 on: December 07, 2015, 04:40:39 PM »
Filament will fold soon. My local shop got them in and a week later they were 30% off. The only team rider I know is moose

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Re: Which company has the worst marketing?
« Reply #54 on: December 07, 2015, 05:08:32 PM »
That chuting star company that always has an ad in thrasher

The way they spell their company name always makes me do a double take and think of taking a dump for some reason.

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Re: Which company has the worst marketing?
« Reply #55 on: December 07, 2015, 06:26:17 PM »
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Not entirely relevant, but can you believe that Consolidated and Natural Koncept are still going? I mean they've both always been kind of underground companies, but holy crap, how does NK stay in business?

Also, they've got a damn great team, but Jart has such a horrible aesthetic. The worst music in their videos (I think they might actually occasionally ignore their skater's song requests), basically no graphics other than logo boards in different colours. Heard a rumour that it's not owned by anyone interested in skateboarding at all, maybe a surf company or something, and it made sense to me. The only feel I get from their company is "corporate".

Real make great boards and have a stacked team, but they're also guilty of too many logo boards and their graphics have been going downhill for a couple of years too.
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but according to a friend, who its a shop owner in Madrid, they sell like crazy in Spain and part of Europe,  mostly cause they are really cheap and their quality its beyond good.....
.... so their marketing campain its basically cheap shit but quality stuff....


God, Jart is the worst! I just hate all their image, they are the bland of the blandness, and the boards arent that great but yeah for the price they arent bad. They have a team full of rippers, they just need a fucking rebranding... Also, " jart" is a really bad name tbh.

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Re: Which company has the worst marketing?
« Reply #56 on: December 08, 2015, 12:52:27 AM »
definitely not Father Figure Skateboards  ;) @fatherfigureskate

but really tho, the first one that popped into my mind was plan b. because the question is about marketing. bad graphics are everywhere. i dont recall a recent plan b ad that got me hyped, a web clip that i was excited to click, or any online content that got me interested really. reals graphics 85% of the time are bad, but their online and in print presence is hard to compete with. im currently skating my first real board and i loved it right of the bat. ill seriously never buy a plan b.
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Re: Which company has the worst marketing?
« Reply #57 on: December 08, 2015, 02:16:42 AM »
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Not entirely relevant, but can you believe that Consolidated and Natural Koncept are still going? I mean they've both always been kind of underground companies, but holy crap, how does NK stay in business?

Also, they've got a damn great team, but Jart has such a horrible aesthetic. The worst music in their videos (I think they might actually occasionally ignore their skater's song requests), basically no graphics other than logo boards in different colours. Heard a rumour that it's not owned by anyone interested in skateboarding at all, maybe a surf company or something, and it made sense to me. The only feel I get from their company is "corporate".

Real make great boards and have a stacked team, but they're also guilty of too many logo boards and their graphics have been going downhill for a couple of years too.
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but according to a friend, who its a shop owner in Madrid, they sell like crazy in Spain and part of Europe,  mostly cause they are really cheap and their quality its beyond good.....
.... so their marketing campain its basically cheap shit but quality stuff....

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God, Jart is the worst! I just hate all their image, they are the bland of the blandness, and the boards arent that great but yeah for the price they arent bad. They have a team full of rippers, they just need a fucking rebranding... Also, "Jart" is a really bad name tbh.


Jart is a good one. They have good products, made in a top notch spanish factory. The family that owns jart has initially a background in woodworking. They used to make wooden furnitures for the whole spanish market so they know what they are doing in term of products. Their woods comes from canada, and the whole process is made in spain, no drying bullshit by other companies...
They make their board one by one, and have a shitload of shapes available. They also do the graphic part.
Their product is really good and they have been producing boards for around 50 brands in Europe (Antiz, Frank and a lot of others...). They are cheap because they are in charge of the whole process, so you don't have too much middlemen.

In term of marketing, they have no idea of what they are doing. They have a limited knowledge on the skateboarding culture, but work with some guys that are true skaterats, the sad thing is they don't give them enough power. The ones that makes the final decisions are 3 brothers who decide in term of numbers instead of deciding in terms of skaterats culture. They still have a good team.

They been producing boards for close to 15 years, which is not that bad in the skate world where a lot of brands come and go even when they are backed by big names (Bueno, Mystery, Aesthetics, Rasa Libre, 3D...)

The thing is they are making money selling bad graphics on a good product for cheap. Why change if it works? They have a segment and they use it. A Jart board is 30% cheaper than any other brand, and the quality is on par (much better than Girl/choco).

The good thing about their marketing is that they've been doing the same shit for years, and if trends change, they'll stil be doing their logo boards... Which means they don't depend on trends unlike brands like Zero/Creature/Palace/DGK that have a strong identity but are prone to disappear when the trend change.

Being bland is not necessarily a bad thing, because a lot of skaters don't care about a bland product if the product is good.
For example riding a DGK/Zero/enjoi boards is making some kind of statement about your style, your skateboarding; while riding a Real/Jart/Almost is not making any statement.

That is one of the reasons that lot of people would buy a Jart board over a DGK/Zero/Enjoi board that costs 30% more here in Europe. Given a limited choice in the same range of price, a lot of people prefer a bland but quality product over a strong identified product with on par quality that costs 30% more.

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Re: Which company has the worst marketing?
« Reply #58 on: December 08, 2015, 02:25:07 AM »
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Nike...what Nike is doing is creating super diverse teams with no culture. All traditional skate brands have a culture and Nike has no culture except their bullshit corporate culture. Maybe when Jordan was in his heyday Nike had some of his culture but the NBA was gangster as fuck back then. They have great shoes and whatever but I don't like how there is nothing to identify with the brand other than being a world domination shit for decades. I can't get into any Nike marketing but I have skated their shoes for many years and would again so whatever haha.
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If anything, one must admire their tenacity. Then again, Exxon would take whatever means to acquire a new profitable energy source. Unlike Converse and Adidas, who both made years and years of shit ads made by low level creative teams, Nike realized early on that they were out of touch with skateboarding. Subsequently, they hired cultural anthropologists to study skateboarders (in the "field"), and more importantly, recruited some of skateboarding's industry top cognoscenti from a now-defunct skate/lifestyle publication to lead marketing.

Nike's successful model of exclusive retail channels is not new. Almost every industry other than skateboarding makes some effort to control which stores carry their goods (most skate companies also require dealer applications, but they are designed to cater to bigger or more established stores that can pay their bills). To answer the op, worst can simultaneously be the best.

Dude they do not have any culture. Only when Jordan was dominating the Swoosh, nowadays it's super corporate.

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Re: Which company has the worst marketing?
« Reply #59 on: December 08, 2015, 02:47:25 AM »
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Nike...what Nike is doing is creating super diverse teams with no culture. All traditional skate brands have a culture and Nike has no culture except their bullshit corporate culture. Maybe when Jordan was in his heyday Nike had some of his culture but the NBA was gangster as fuck back then. They have great shoes and whatever but I don't like how there is nothing to identify with the brand other than being a world domination shit for decades. I can't get into any Nike marketing but I have skated their shoes for many years and would again so whatever haha.
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If anything, one must admire their tenacity. Then again, Exxon would take whatever means to acquire a new profitable energy source. Unlike Converse and Adidas, who both made years and years of shit ads made by low level creative teams, Nike realized early on that they were out of touch with skateboarding. Subsequently, they hired cultural anthropologists to study skateboarders (in the "field"), and more importantly, recruited some of skateboarding's industry top cognoscenti from a now-defunct skate/lifestyle publication to lead marketing.

Nike's successful model of exclusive retail channels is not new. Almost every industry other than skateboarding makes some effort to control which stores carry their goods (most skate companies also require dealer applications, but they are designed to cater to bigger or more established stores that can pay their bills). To answer the op, worst can simultaneously be the best.
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Dude they do not have any culture. Only when Jordan was dominating the Swoosh, nowadays it's super corporate.

Nike are masters of marketing.  The swoosh is one of the most recognized logos in the world.  Like Mcdonald's and Marlboro.  They are considered the best or "elite" brand in a lot of different sports.