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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #210 on: January 27, 2016, 11:28:27 PM »
Just bought some aftermarket Indy Soft bushings. The red ones. Love them. Only bushing I can ride. I'm a big guy and I ride medium to loose trucks. Anything harder crumbles.

What thinking about trying the super soft Indy bushings. They're white. Didn't even know they made those. White bushings would be a lot easier on the eyes.

Anybody ever had the white ones??

Curious about those also. I use the reds and thought about mixing it up with the whites... let us know if you try em...

It finally stopped raining today and I was actually off from work. Amazing. So, I got to finally test the Super Soft white Indy bushings.

They're awesome! No complaints. I thought I would have to work them in like most new bushings, but as I was skating around my little town, I completely forgot that I even had new bushings. Very responsive. I could actually feel the difference. My old red Indy bushings were a couple years old though, so not sure if they were even as responsive as they should've been.

Highly recommend the Super Soft white Indy bushings.

Only down fall I see to them is if you leave your skate in your car, they may get super soft during the summertime. But, no one should be leaving there shit in their car during the summer anyways. Bad for your shit, man.

What  trucks do you have those softies in?

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #211 on: January 28, 2016, 06:37:39 AM »
I like the hardware on my trucks really tight so the baseplates don't move around when I skate. In the past I've also had nuts rattle off so I'm left with only a bolt. What's the best way to get your hardware really tight without causing premature stress cracks in the deck?

I have 7/8 hardware that are tightened flush. Still get a bit of baseplate movement but not sure if anything can be done. Just a native feature of skateboards. Was wondering if there are any special tricks to prevent it.



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the thing that sucks about it is over time your bolt holes get all huge and loose like camel toe.

I have the same concern. I had to replace my last set of Indys (granted they lasted 2 years) because of this problem. Is it from loose or over-tightened hardware? or both? Maybe I need to replace my bolts more often.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #212 on: January 28, 2016, 06:49:47 AM »
I like the hardware on my trucks really tight so the baseplates don't move around when I skate. In the past I've also had nuts rattle off so I'm left with only a bolt. What's the best way to get your hardware really tight without causing premature stress cracks in the deck?

I have 7/8 hardware that are tightened flush. Still get a bit of baseplate movement but not sure if anything can be done. Just a native feature of skateboards. Was wondering if there are any special tricks to prevent it.



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the thing that sucks about it is over time your bolt holes get all huge and loose like camel toe.

I have the same concern. I had to replace my last set of Indys (granted they lasted 2 years) because of this problem. Is it from loose or over-tightened hardware? or both? Maybe I need to replace my bolts more often.
the hardware is too loose, making the baseplate move around and that damages the holes.

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« Reply #213 on: January 28, 2016, 08:28:50 AM »
has anyone ever come up with something like a bike hub....I ride spacers....washers.....everything you are suppose to and it'd be sick if you just tightened up your wheels nice and tight and they ran freely without having to back off the nut and then keep an eye on it......


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« Reply #214 on: January 28, 2016, 09:03:54 AM »
has anyone ever come up with something like a bike hub....I ride spacers....washers.....everything you are suppose to and it'd be sick if you just tightened up your wheels nice and tight and they ran freely without having to back off the nut and then keep an eye on it......



Yup, so the new Bones Race Reds are exactly that. Spacers and watchers built in by extending the race.  There are a few other companies out there doing it as well.  It makes the whole separate spacer/washer thing seem ancient


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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #215 on: January 28, 2016, 09:18:02 AM »
I like the hardware on my trucks really tight so the baseplates don't move around when I skate. In the past I've also had nuts rattle off so I'm left with only a bolt. What's the best way to get your hardware really tight without causing premature stress cracks in the deck?

I have 7/8 hardware that are tightened flush. Still get a bit of baseplate movement but not sure if anything can be done. Just a native feature of skateboards. Was wondering if there are any special tricks to prevent it.



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the thing that sucks about it is over time your bolt holes get all huge and loose like camel toe.

I have the same concern. I had to replace my last set of Indys (granted they lasted 2 years) because of this problem. Is it from loose or over-tightened hardware? or both? Maybe I need to replace my bolts more often.
the hardware is too loose, making the baseplate move around and that damages the holes.

I've noticed this happening too if you're hardware is smaller than the holes in your deck/baseplate. If you have ever used Indy bolts, that shit is snug in your deck before you even tighten them. Anything other than shorty's or indy (that I have had) seems to be a little smaller and have some play.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #216 on: January 28, 2016, 01:58:34 PM »
has anyone ever come up with something like a bike hub....I ride spacers....washers.....everything you are suppose to and it'd be sick if you just tightened up your wheels nice and tight and they ran freely without having to back off the nut and then keep an eye on it......



Yup, so the new Bones Race Reds are exactly that. Spacers and watchers built in by extending the race.  There are a few other companies out there doing it as well.  It makes the whole separate spacer/washer thing seem ancient



Wow!!! These must be new?? Never heard of these.

I've got Super Reds right now. Hand-me-downs from a friend and they're like 3-4 years old.

What are the benefits of spacers?? Never understood what they were for...
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« Reply #217 on: January 28, 2016, 02:22:33 PM »
has anyone ever come up with something like a bike hub....I ride spacers....washers.....everything you are suppose to and it'd be sick if you just tightened up your wheels nice and tight and they ran freely without having to back off the nut and then keep an eye on it......



Yup, so the new Bones Race Reds are exactly that. Spacers and watchers built in by extending the race.  There are a few other companies out there doing it as well.  It makes the whole separate spacer/washer thing seem ancient



Wow!!! These must be new?? Never heard of these.

I've got Super Reds right now. Hand-me-downs from a friend and they're like 3-4 years old.

What are the benefits of spacers?? Never understood what they were for...

Yup, they've only been out for a couple months.  There are a few other brands that have been making the same thing for years but they were targeted to the longboard community.

spacers essentially allow you to fully tighten down your wheel and allow them to handle more torsional load without failing.  this is why longboarders can go 50mph carving without their bearing cages exploding. 

The same principle applies for street skating with powerslides, reverts and pretty much anytime you don't land perfectly

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« Reply #218 on: January 28, 2016, 02:42:32 PM »
Hard Luck's Good Times, Great Times, and Six Ball's all have extended races. I have a set of sixers still waiting to be opened and set up, I'm pretty stoked.

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« Reply #219 on: January 28, 2016, 06:33:47 PM »
has anyone ever come up with something like a bike hub....I ride spacers....washers.....everything you are suppose to and it'd be sick if you just tightened up your wheels nice and tight and they ran freely without having to back off the nut and then keep an eye on it......



Yup, so the new Bones Race Reds are exactly that. Spacers and watchers built in by extending the race.  There are a few other companies out there doing it as well.  It makes the whole separate spacer/washer thing seem ancient



Wow!!! These must be new?? Never heard of these.

I've got Super Reds right now. Hand-me-downs from a friend and they're like 3-4 years old.

What are the benefits of spacers?? Never understood what they were for...

Yup, they've only been out for a couple months.  There are a few other brands that have been making the same thing for years but they were targeted to the longboard community.

spacers essentially allow you to fully tighten down your wheel and allow them to handle more torsional load without failing.  this is why longboarders can go 50mph carving without their bearing cages exploding. 

The same principle applies for street skating with powerslides, reverts and pretty much anytime you don't land perfectly

Yeah..I had seen those on really old toy store set ups....ill have to grab a set.....

Longboarding got into all the kooky bushing profiles too.....

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #220 on: January 29, 2016, 11:10:23 AM »
Just setup some new Thunder ti 147s, and the stock white bushings are much softer than the translucent yellow ones that came with my last two sets of thunders (147 or 149s); so much so I get wheel bite just leaning with minimal effort while stationary on 51mm wheels.

I'll get to skate them this weekend and see if I can stick with them or resort to bones, either soft/soft or med bottoms and soft tops (probably med/soft as the soft/soft is just too floopy).

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« Reply #221 on: January 29, 2016, 01:29:20 PM »
Just setup some new Thunder ti 147s, and the stock white bushings are much softer than the translucent yellow ones that came with my last two sets of thunders (147 or 149s); so much so I get wheel bite just leaning with minimal effort while stationary on 51mm wheels.

I'll get to skate them this weekend and see if I can stick with them or resort to bones, either soft/soft or med bottoms and soft tops (probably med/soft as the soft/soft is just too floopy).

My thunder bushings firmed up after a few sessions.  you know I don't ride loose but the white bushings with the nut flush worked for me on 149's once they broke in.  it was rough for the first couple days though

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #222 on: January 30, 2016, 01:05:34 AM »
Just setup some new Thunder ti 147s, and the stock white bushings are much softer than the translucent yellow ones that came with my last two sets of thunders (147 or 149s); so much so I get wheel bite just leaning with minimal effort while stationary on 51mm wheels.

I'll get to skate them this weekend and see if I can stick with them or resort to bones, either soft/soft or med bottoms and soft tops (probably med/soft as the soft/soft is just too floopy).

they just seem softer in the beginning but after rolling for two hours they went pretty hard and next session were perfect and the same hardness- at least i did not notice any difference!

i remember bmc steve saying on here that the duro on the yellow ones is different than on the white ones though!?

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #223 on: January 30, 2016, 01:17:58 AM »
I like the hardware on my trucks really tight so the baseplates don't move around when I skate. In the past I've also had nuts rattle off so I'm left with only a bolt. What's the best way to get your hardware really tight without causing premature stress cracks in the deck?

I have 7/8 hardware that are tightened flush. Still get a bit of baseplate movement but not sure if anything can be done. Just a native feature of skateboards. Was wondering if there are any special tricks to prevent it.



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the thing that sucks about it is over time your bolt holes get all huge and loose like camel toe.

I have the same concern. I had to replace my last set of Indys (granted they lasted 2 years) because of this problem. Is it from loose or over-tightened hardware? or both? Maybe I need to replace my bolts more often.
the hardware is too loose, making the baseplate move around and that damages the holes.

I've noticed this happening too if you're hardware is smaller than the holes in your deck/baseplate. If you have ever used Indy bolts, that shit is snug in your deck before you even tighten them. Anything other than shorty's or indy (that I have had) seems to be a little smaller and have some play.

Thanks, thought so. On my new set I make sure to tighten them after every session or two. Before I would leave the bolts alone until I noticed one was loose. I've got a whole box of Shorty's Lights, so I should be good with this set of trucks.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #224 on: January 30, 2016, 07:18:57 AM »
has anyone ever come up with something like a bike hub....I ride spacers....washers.....everything you are suppose to and it'd be sick if you just tightened up your wheels nice and tight and they ran freely without having to back off the nut and then keep an eye on it......



Yup, so the new Bones Race Reds are exactly that. Spacers and watchers built in by extending the race.  There are a few other companies out there doing it as well.  It makes the whole separate spacer/washer thing seem ancient



Wow!!! These must be new?? Never heard of these.

I've got Super Reds right now. Hand-me-downs from a friend and they're like 3-4 years old.

What are the benefits of spacers?? Never understood what they were for...

Yup, they've only been out for a couple months.  There are a few other brands that have been making the same thing for years but they were targeted to the longboard community.

spacers essentially allow you to fully tighten down your wheel and allow them to handle more torsional load without failing.  this is why longboarders can go 50mph carving without their bearing cages exploding. 

The same principle applies for street skating with powerslides, reverts and pretty much anytime you don't land perfectly

Yeah..I had seen those on really old toy store set ups....ill have to grab a set.....

Longboarding got into all the kooky bushing profiles too.....
I get how you don't need spacers with these(don't use them anyway), but how do you not need washers?

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« Reply #225 on: January 30, 2016, 09:45:41 AM »
The sleeve protrudes outside the bearing on both sides.....the way I see it is the nut never puts pressure on the parts that should move ie the bearing and wheel....so they can run freely.....

I'm gonna try these....prolly next time I set up a board....ill let you guys know....

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« Reply #226 on: January 30, 2016, 10:38:07 AM »
They'll work as well as any other bearing with builtins (Zealous Seismic, Route, Bilitin, etc.); the biggest concern, if it matters to you, is that they are significantly heavier than a standard bearing set w/spaces and washers. I own set of Zeaouls and Seismic 6-ball and the seismics are heavy in hand; I use them on my cruiser.

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« Reply #227 on: January 30, 2016, 11:00:12 AM »
Lol I've rode every truck out there that's worth buying (Krux not yet), even Thunders and they definitely aren't good right out of the box especially with those shitty stock bushings. If you're really that impatient try some softer bushings in the Ace's. You're nuts if you're going to completely disregard them after one session.

hate to say it but Xtal was right. couple of sessions deep and the ace stock bushings are money. yes, they are harder than the bushing i usually ride in thunders and indys but when the trucks respond and turn like ace that's just fine.

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« Reply #228 on: February 05, 2016, 05:56:53 PM »
Lol I've rode every truck out there that's worth buying (Krux not yet), even Thunders and they definitely aren't good right out of the box especially with those shitty stock bushings. If you're really that impatient try some softer bushings in the Ace's. You're nuts if you're going to completely disregard them after one session.

hate to say it but Xtal was right. couple of sessions deep and the ace stock bushings are money. yes, they are harder than the bushing i usually ride in thunders and indys but when the trucks respond and turn like ace that's just fine.

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« Reply #229 on: February 06, 2016, 03:27:27 PM »
Jumping on the bandwagon to give them a shot


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« Reply #230 on: February 06, 2016, 04:10:35 PM »
I'm so disappointed in you Steve.
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« Reply #231 on: February 06, 2016, 04:10:46 PM »
ha ha... Steve, yeah. still digging my 44s. so far no apparent axle bending. pivot cups are just fine also.  

what i really like is, the lack of wheel bite even with rattle loose trucks. thunders and indy usually require me to use risers but i forgo risers on my aces and although i have wheel rub marks, i'm not getting thrown off on sloppy landings. maybe its the angle of the jangle?

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« Reply #232 on: February 06, 2016, 04:24:13 PM »
ha ha... Steve, yeah. still digging my 44s. so far no apparent axle bending. pivot cups are just fine also.  

what i really like is, the lack of wheel bite even with rattle loose trucks. thunders and indy usually require me to use risers but i forgo risers on my aces and although i have wheel rub marks, i'm not getting thrown off on sloppy landings. maybe its the angle of the jangle?

So far I set them up with the but flush and swapped the pivot cups for khiro softs. Had a quick flat ground session in the garage and they felt great.  I'll be able to get a full day on them tomorrow to really feel them out

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« Reply #233 on: February 06, 2016, 04:37:59 PM »
ha ha... Steve, yeah. still digging my 44s. so far no apparent axle bending. pivot cups are just fine also.  

what i really like is, the lack of wheel bite even with rattle loose trucks. thunders and indy usually require me to use risers but i forgo risers on my aces and although i have wheel rub marks, i'm not getting thrown off on sloppy landings. maybe its the angle of the jangle?

What size/shape wheels are you riding?
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« Reply #234 on: February 06, 2016, 06:07:37 PM »
58mm Spitfire f4 classics, worn down to about 56/55mm.

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« Reply #235 on: February 07, 2016, 06:54:21 AM »
I'm so disappointed in you Steve.

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« Reply #236 on: February 07, 2016, 01:44:15 PM »
Krux k4s. Never riding anything else.

58mm Spitfire f4 classics, worn down to about 56/55mm.

Nice. I can't fuck with wheels that big. I have a set of 56mm soft D'd on a hammer and I feel like I need 1/4" risers.
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« Reply #237 on: February 08, 2016, 09:50:31 AM »
Spent yesterday skating the Ace 44's and I must be missing something. 

I loosened them up about 1/2 turn from stock and replaced the harder Ace pivot cups with Khiro soft but the trucks did not feel how everyone always describes them.

I expected an almost cartoonish, deep, surfy turn and what ended up happening was tic tacking around trying to carve in bowls.

I had to loosen them up 2 turns past having the nut flush just to get any sort of decent turning radius.

You can't expect trucks to be perfect on the first day but this was the opposite of everything I thought they would be.  I got a deeper turn out of Venture's.

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« Reply #238 on: February 08, 2016, 10:20:55 AM »
I had the same problem. Stock bushings feel very hard- they do get better but I had to put a Thunder top bushing on to loosen them up enough.

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« Reply #239 on: February 08, 2016, 10:31:46 AM »
Leave the trucks alone, especially the pivot cups. Break them in stock. Patience...