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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #330 on: February 21, 2016, 12:29:16 PM »
Picked up some 159 forged hollows for $42 out the door. I really krux, but I'm riding a 9.2" board and the 8.5" krux were too narrow for me on this thing.
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« Reply #331 on: February 21, 2016, 02:16:07 PM »
Rumor has it that Krux are based off Stage II Indys - having skated every stage and own XI and Krux, they feeling is soo similar, yet Krux, like ACE, are snappier with turns compared to Indy. My only issue with all three is they feel so high (I like Thunder height). Regular Krux are lighter than Indys and arguably turn just as well (their pivot cups are a little odd, they are really deep and deform oddly, like the turn is very side to side); cheaper too. Throw in the downlow pin and they are lighter than TI Indys.

I watched the Bondi event last night; everyone was riding indy except for McClain and maybe one or two others?

Tons of dudes ride Thunders that shred bowls, Cody lockwood, the Millers, Perelson.

Nice I wasn't aware of many bowl shredders that skate Thunder. That's rad. I feel like Thunders would be too low for a bigger dude like me. That's mainly why I've avoided them. I'll probably end up just sticking with Indy lol.

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« Reply #332 on: February 21, 2016, 02:20:07 PM »
Haven't looked at this thread in a while but it feels like Im seeing nothing but downlow kingpins. For those that have used them, would you be able to let your trucks wobble with these kingpins? I feel like it would end up loosening the kingpin and it would shake around instead, which I have had happen before.
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« Reply #333 on: February 21, 2016, 05:54:26 PM »
Haven't looked at this thread in a while but it feels like Im seeing nothing but downlow kingpins. For those that have used them, would you be able to let your trucks wobble with these kingpins? I feel like it would end up loosening the kingpin and it would shake around instead, which I have had happen before.

I think the only trucks with a downlow kingpin that will wobble with stock (non shaved/sanded) bushings are Krux. You won't be able to get them loose enough on ace or Indy with stock height bushings if you skate Matt Rodriguez loose

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« Reply #334 on: February 22, 2016, 12:01:44 AM »
Haven't looked at this thread in a while but it feels like Im seeing nothing but downlow kingpins. For those that have used them, would you be able to let your trucks wobble with these kingpins? I feel like it would end up loosening the kingpin and it would shake around instead, which I have had happen before.

I think the only trucks with a downlow kingpin that will wobble with stock (non shaved/sanded) bushings are Krux. You won't be able to get them loose enough on ace or Indy with stock height bushings if you skate Matt Rodriguez loose
Ive got Indy's with shaved/low top bushings. They get really eroded to the point where its too loose and the bushing can come off with out taking the kingpin nut and washer off. To deal with this I've been periodically swapping bushings and kingpin bolts before it gets too bad. The real issue is that my trucks are down to the axle and its either wobbly with a kingpin that sticks out, or too tight and terrible turns with trucks that can smith. Kinda of been in truck crisis, went through a few bolts and stripped a kingpin the past few weeks. Think i found a decent medium recently, and I might try to just glue the bolts in and hope it lasts.

I would be interested to know if the anyone has skated wobbly trucks with low kingpins, might try it for myself.

edit: its 10-40 degrees where I live so my shit feels little off every session depending temp so i really just want something that will last till april or may.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #335 on: February 23, 2016, 08:20:24 AM »
I notice a lot of skaters are rockin' trucks slightly wider than their deck. Many go with 149's even if they're skating 8.25"-8.38". I've always thought if I go down from an 8.5" I would want to go down to 147s so my axle nuts aren't sticking out when I look down. Other than stability from a wider truck, what about grinds? Wouldn't a 149 cause you to slip back and forth on a grind more than a 147 since there's not as wide of a surface? Are 147s kinda too small for transition? My random truck nerd thoughts of the day...

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« Reply #336 on: February 23, 2016, 08:26:35 AM »
i do this often. 159s on an 8.5.... brings your wheels further out the deck. seems to reduce wheel bite a bit and i like the turn better. i def like it better for grinds especially on curbs and pool coping. disclaimer i'm old and mainly skate tranny and low-impact curb stuff....

in saying that, i currently have 44s on a 8.75". so i'm full of shit, really.
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« Reply #337 on: February 23, 2016, 08:37:56 AM »
I notice a lot of skaters are rockin' trucks slightly wider than their deck. Many go with 149's even if they're skating 8.25"-8.38". I've always thought if I go down from an 8.5" I would want to go down to 147s so my axle nuts aren't sticking out when I look down. Other than stability from a wider truck, what about grinds? Wouldn't a 149 cause you to slip back and forth on a grind more than a 147 since there's not as wide of a surface? Are 147s kinda too small for transition? My random truck nerd thoughts of the day...

in terms of locking into grinds the ideal deck width to truck ratio would be having the outer edge of the wheels flush with the edge of the board.  This is what you get when you have 8.5" trucks on an 8.25" deck.  

I've found that if my board is significantly wider (8.38" deck with 8" trucks) I tend to miss a lot of grinds and find myself over popping on ledges.  

If your board is significantly skinnier (8" deck with 8.5" trucks) it's a lot harder to lock in because you don't have the same leverage.

All that being said, I generally skate 8.38 and 8.5 decks with 8.5 trucks.  

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« Reply #338 on: February 23, 2016, 09:14:50 AM »
Thanks for the reply bros. Makes more sense to me now.

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« Reply #339 on: February 23, 2016, 10:39:42 AM »
Meant to say wheelbite not base

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« Reply #340 on: February 23, 2016, 11:19:29 AM »
149's on an 8.25 is perfect.

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« Reply #341 on: February 23, 2016, 12:38:42 PM »
That's it! I'm trying an 8.25 damnit!

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« Reply #342 on: February 23, 2016, 05:03:34 PM »
Don't under estimate how dumb it looks and it may drive you mental......

On the other side....The over deck, under truck can enhance no pop nollie heels......

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« Reply #343 on: February 23, 2016, 07:22:40 PM »
Don't under estimate how dumb it looks and it may drive you mental......

On the other side....The over deck, under truck can enhance no pop nollie heels......

You may be right. Especially with my attention to detail and OCD.

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« Reply #344 on: February 24, 2016, 10:21:19 AM »
The overhang of 149s on an 8.25" is 1/8" on either side, if you are looking down for that long to notice a bolt, something's wrong ;)

Lately, I've been riding 8" (thunders) on 8.25" and actually prefer it to 149s, the board just feels snappier and more responsive; I'd still stick with ACE or Krux on an 8.25" if I wanted the Indy feel for tranny so now I keep the 8.25" 147 setup for street (lower, smaller wheels) and an 8.25" with either Krux/ACE and bigger wheels.

If I could just get Thunders to carve the way I want them (like ACE lol ;) as I love the height but they're just not built that way; closest I can get is Team plates with soft bushings - currently using stock thunder 90a white, which feel softer than the clears w/Krux kingpin, khiro soft cups (chich might be too thick, it pushes they hanger forwar, team plates and Ti 147 hanger :P
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« Reply #345 on: February 24, 2016, 10:48:59 AM »
The overhang of 149s on an 8.25" is 1/8" on either side, if you are looking down for that long to notice a bolt, something's wrong ;)

Lately, I've been riding 8" (thunders) on 8.25" and actually prefer it to 149s, the board just feels snappier and more responsive; I'd still stick with ACE or Krux on an 8.25" if I wanted the Indy feel for tranny so now I keep the 8.25" 147 setup for street (lower, smaller wheels) and an 8.25" with either Krux/ACE and bigger wheels.

If I could just get Thunders to carve the way I want them (like ACE lol ;) as I love the height but they're just not built that way; closest I can get is Team plates with soft bushings - currently using stock thunder 90a white, which feel softer than the clears w/Krux kingpin, khiro soft cups (chich might be too thick, it pushes they hanger forwar, team plates and Ti 147 hanger :P

thunder 149/ 151 probably have a turn thats closer to what you want but sounds like too wide for your tastes? they'll never feel like aces but i still dig them for tranny.

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« Reply #346 on: February 24, 2016, 10:52:26 AM »
Sometimes I sit in my living room covered under a mountain of truck parts and feel like I'm going insane.....then i see a post from Xen and realize I'm not alone   :D

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« Reply #347 on: February 24, 2016, 11:43:26 AM »
My only real issue with Thunders on tranny is having to use super soft bushings, either bones softs or Khiro 73a (much to sooft, they get destroyed after two or three sessions) and with bones, having to crank them down so they don't just mush out when turning; I ride loose (not jiggly tho) and like rebound, the softer they are the less there is.

The red 88a conicals feel just like the stock 90a and are the exact shape.
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« Reply #348 on: February 24, 2016, 11:50:36 AM »
Sometimes I sit in my living room covered under a mountain of truck parts and feel like I'm going insane.....then i see a post from Xen and realize I'm not alone   :D

Right there wth you man! Setup the aces with krux DL/bushings and mag plates! Had a scale battle session last night ;)

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« Reply #349 on: February 24, 2016, 02:03:47 PM »
I'm going to stick with an 8.5 and 149s I've decided. It's never let me down.

Going back to an earlier discussion about Thunders, I've noticed a lot of recent instagram pics of pros that are using Bones bushings in theirs, and are not using the bottom washer and it seems to do just fine. Since I'm heavier I'm going to buy the hards and suffer through the break-in period. You guys think I can still get a killer turn out of them with the kingpin nut flush? Or do the hards just suck for turning?


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« Reply #350 on: February 24, 2016, 02:15:29 PM »
I'm going to stick with an 8.5 and 149s I've decided. It's never let me down.

Going back to an earlier discussion about Thunders, I've noticed a lot of recent instagram pics of pros that are using Bones bushings in theirs, and are not using the bottom washer and it seems to do just fine. Since I'm heavier I'm going to buy the hards and suffer through the break-in period. You guys think I can still get a killer turn out of them with the kingpin nut flush? Or do the hards just suck for turning?



The turn you'll get out of a bushing depends on the duro and your weight.  if you weigh 200+, the hards will work fine I'm sure.

just a heads up though, its going to change the geometry slightly and will put more stress on your pivot if you dont use the bottom washer but its impossible to fit bones bushings with both washers in thunders.  The bones bottom bushing is the same height as the stock thunder bottom bushing.  The height of the bottom bushing is essential to a trucks geometry

I still firmly believe that the black thunder rebuild kit bushings would be a much better solution, plus they come with higher quality washers than you get with the trucks.  I just can't find a reason to use the bones over thunders



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« Reply #351 on: February 24, 2016, 02:21:53 PM »
I'm going to stick with an 8.5 and 149s I've decided. It's never let me down.

Going back to an earlier discussion about Thunders, I've noticed a lot of recent instagram pics of pros that are using Bones bushings in theirs, and are not using the bottom washer and it seems to do just fine. Since I'm heavier I'm going to buy the hards and suffer through the break-in period. You guys think I can still get a killer turn out of them with the kingpin nut flush? Or do the hards just suck for turning?



The turn you'll get out of a bushing depends on the duro and your weight.  if you weigh 200+, the hards will work fine I'm sure.

just a heads up though, its going to change the geometry slightly and will put more stress on your pivot if you dont use the bottom washer but its impossible to fit bones bushings with both washers in thunders.  The bones bottom bushing is the same height as the stock thunder bottom bushing.  The height of the bottom bushing is essential to a trucks geometry

I still firmly believe that the black thunder rebuild kit bushings would be a much better solution, plus they come with higher quality washers than you get with the trucks.  I just can't find a reason to use the bones over thunders




Considering my weight the hards will work fine then. If Thunder made an aftermarket hard in white that's what I'd buy, but I despise colored bushings. Especially black...gross.

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« Reply #352 on: February 24, 2016, 02:43:04 PM »
I'm going to stick with an 8.5 and 149s I've decided. It's never let me down.

Going back to an earlier discussion about Thunders, I've noticed a lot of recent instagram pics of pros that are using Bones bushings in theirs, and are not using the bottom washer and it seems to do just fine. Since I'm heavier I'm going to buy the hards and suffer through the break-in period. You guys think I can still get a killer turn out of them with the kingpin nut flush? Or do the hards just suck for turning?



The turn you'll get out of a bushing depends on the duro and your weight.  if you weigh 200+, the hards will work fine I'm sure.

just a heads up though, its going to change the geometry slightly and will put more stress on your pivot if you dont use the bottom washer but its impossible to fit bones bushings with both washers in thunders.  The bones bottom bushing is the same height as the stock thunder bottom bushing.  The height of the bottom bushing is essential to a trucks geometry

I still firmly believe that the black thunder rebuild kit bushings would be a much better solution, plus they come with higher quality washers than you get with the trucks.  I just can't find a reason to use the bones over thunders




Considering my weight the hards will work fine then. If Thunder made an aftermarket hard in white that's what I'd buy, but I despise colored bushings. Especially black...gross.

They do make them in yellow.  not sure if that's better or worse than black haha http://www.tactics.com/thunder/skate-bushing-tube-2-truck-set/neon-yellow-maximum

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« Reply #353 on: February 24, 2016, 05:32:47 PM »
The overhang of 149s on an 8.25" is 1/8" on either side, if you are looking down for that long to notice a bolt, something's wrong ;)

Lately, I've been riding 8" (thunders) on 8.25" and actually prefer it to 149s, the board just feels snappier and more responsive; I'd still stick with ACE or Krux on an 8.25" if I wanted the Indy feel for tranny so now I keep the 8.25" 147 setup for street (lower, smaller wheels) and an 8.25" with either Krux/ACE and bigger wheels.

If I could just get Thunders to carve the way I want them (like ACE lol ;) as I love the height but they're just not built that way; closest I can get is Team plates with soft bushings - currently using stock thunder 90a white, which feel softer than the clears w/Krux kingpin, khiro soft cups (chich might be too thick, it pushes they hanger forwar, team plates and Ti 147 hanger :P

thunder 149/ 151 probably have a turn thats closer to what you want but sounds like too wide for your tastes? they'll never feel like aces but i still dig them for tranny.

Turning wise....I think ACE....Theeve....Indy.....Thunder.....


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« Reply #354 on: February 24, 2016, 08:35:29 PM »
The overhang of 149s on an 8.25" is 1/8" on either side, if you are looking down for that long to notice a bolt, something's wrong ;)

Lately, I've been riding 8" (thunders) on 8.25" and actually prefer it to 149s, the board just feels snappier and more responsive; I'd still stick with ACE or Krux on an 8.25" if I wanted the Indy feel for tranny so now I keep the 8.25" 147 setup for street (lower, smaller wheels) and an 8.25" with either Krux/ACE and bigger wheels.

If I could just get Thunders to carve the way I want them (like ACE lol ;) as I love the height but they're just not built that way; closest I can get is Team plates with soft bushings - currently using stock thunder 90a white, which feel softer than the clears w/Krux kingpin, khiro soft cups (chich might be too thick, it pushes they hanger forwar, team plates and Ti 147 hanger :P

thunder 149/ 151 probably have a turn thats closer to what you want but sounds like too wide for your tastes? they'll never feel like aces but i still dig them for tranny.

Turning wise....I think ACE....Theeve....Indy.....Thunder.....




I can't say I disagree with that order...

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« Reply #355 on: February 24, 2016, 09:01:15 PM »
The overhang of 149s on an 8.25" is 1/8" on either side, if you are looking down for that long to notice a bolt, something's wrong ;)

Lately, I've been riding 8" (thunders) on 8.25" and actually prefer it to 149s, the board just feels snappier and more responsive; I'd still stick with ACE or Krux on an 8.25" if I wanted the Indy feel for tranny so now I keep the 8.25" 147 setup for street (lower, smaller wheels) and an 8.25" with either Krux/ACE and bigger wheels.

If I could just get Thunders to carve the way I want them (like ACE lol ;) as I love the height but they're just not built that way; closest I can get is Team plates with soft bushings - currently using stock thunder 90a white, which feel softer than the clears w/Krux kingpin, khiro soft cups (chich might be too thick, it pushes they hanger forwar, team plates and Ti 147 hanger :P

thunder 149/ 151 probably have a turn thats closer to what you want but sounds like too wide for your tastes? they'll never feel like aces but i still dig them for tranny.

Turning wise....I think ACE....Theeve....Indy.....Thunder.....



What i was trying to say is that as far as Thunder goes, as I understand it the 149/151 have a 'better' turn than the smaller sizes.

Krux are also missing from your list. They are easily on par with Indy/ Ace.

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« Reply #356 on: February 24, 2016, 10:17:53 PM »
Yah....I've never skated them....thought they were closer to a Thunder....I just wanted to show a range....Venture is on the other side of Thunder....

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« Reply #357 on: February 25, 2016, 11:31:21 AM »
ACE....Theeve...Indy.....Krux.....Venture...Thunder....

Krux turn just as well as Indy, if not a bit faster? It's essentially a Chinese made indy (much like ACE).

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« Reply #358 on: February 25, 2016, 10:07:20 PM »
I think there are at least a couple turn qualities....one is something responsive or fast....the other is turning radius....

Like you can ride tensors no bushings and they'll twitch but they'd never arc like an Indy......


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« Reply #359 on: February 26, 2016, 06:40:43 AM »
Sometimes I sit in my living room covered under a mountain of truck parts and feel like I'm going insane.....then i see a post from Xen and realize I'm not alone   :D

Right there wth you man! Setup the aces with krux DL/bushings and mag plates! Had a scale battle session last night ;)

Im curious what bushings you used exactly. I installed the Krux DL on my ace 44's last night and they are definitely more snug than i would like. Gonna have to skate today and see though.  I did like that the nut held itself and didnt spin in the baseplate though.  The ace stock bushings with just a slight jiggle is the perfect ride for me ive found.