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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #600 on: April 07, 2016, 12:49:31 AM »
$14 for pivot cups...

Seems like the stock Ace ones have improved. Steve, are they plastic or urethane, do you know?

Also stock Ace bushings seem to be really good quality these days. I had to sand down the tops to get a looser turn and they're perhaps a tad too hard for my tastes but with warmer weather coming thats OK.

Also a big fan of the white stock Thunders, like other people mentioned.


The stock Ace ones are plastic as well.  Plastic isn't actually bad to use for pivot cups.  It just depends on the molds and quality of plastic used.  Plastic will be less likely to deform than urethane (see the comments from Xen and I regarding Krux stock pivot cups which are urethane).

Basically a hard plastic pivot cup can crack and blow out.  Urethane pivot cups will wear gradually and create slop.  I personally think it's more important to use something that doesn't change the geometry of the pivot which is why I use the stock indy and thunder cups. 

On Ace trucks the Khiro's stick up a bit but the actual depth is the same as the stock cups unlike Indy.  We're literally only talking 1-2 mm here so It likely doesn't matter at all similar to how using Bones bushings can slightly alter the geometry of a truck

1-2mm is really not noticeable but you could feel it. If i remember the re-designed 44's had a protruding pivot cups and it almost looks like when you have the khiro's on. i remember on my first day of the re-designed 44's the front truck pivot cup blew out after a couple of slappy's on the first session and it also did the same when i replaced them with the aftermarket indy pivot cups.

bit the bullet and bought a couple of sets of the khiro's soft and hard. put on the soft on my aces a couple of days ago and they haven't blown out yet, my only grief about them is that it doesn't give me the ace turn i used to get with my stock's and indy pivot cups. it almost adds a quick rebound to the trucks and i don't like that.

also for those who's had the old aces. i seen a friend's and he has bones bushings on them and they fit just right. I'm not sure if they changed the kingpins on the redesigned because when i have bones on. there's atleast 6-7 threads out and makes the kingpin stick out and exposed. not sure if i got one with longer kingpin screw but i went back to stock because i couldn't stand the look of it.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #601 on: April 07, 2016, 02:30:19 PM »
So I've been lurking Gullwing's instagram since they came out with those made in USA Shadows. I feel like I maybe wanna try 'em out, but then I discovered they're owned by sector 9 and when I checked out sector 9's instagram it was fuckin kookville...

What do you guys think? They have some solid riders backing their trucks but I'm thinking maybe there's a legitimate reason why they aren't very popular and not because they aren't trendy, but maybe they just suck?

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #602 on: April 07, 2016, 02:42:36 PM »
Im curious about eh Gullwings too kinda sad to think they will be/are the only made in USA skateboard trucks

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« Reply #603 on: April 07, 2016, 03:41:08 PM »
So I've been lurking Gullwing's instagram since they came out with those made in USA Shadows. I feel like I maybe wanna try 'em out, but then I discovered they're owned by sector 9 and when I checked out sector 9's instagram it was fuckin kookville...

What do you guys think? They have some solid riders backing their trucks but I'm thinking maybe there's a legitimate reason why they aren't very popular and not because they aren't trendy, but maybe they just suck?

I have an older pair of gullwings 9" shadows (like 2012) and they are legit, heavy as fuck. I only use them on my cruiser but I like the way they turn honestly.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #604 on: April 07, 2016, 09:02:36 PM »
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« Reply #605 on: April 08, 2016, 06:55:01 AM »
^ 57mm is insanely high for a street truck.  The only truck I've considered outside of all the normal street brands were the new Caliber hollows - http://calibertruckco.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/hollow_main-450x450.jpg




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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #606 on: April 08, 2016, 09:07:45 AM »
See......someone mentions gullwing and suddenly we're dippin into some seismics........

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« Reply #607 on: April 08, 2016, 09:16:55 AM »
^ 57mm is insanely high for a street truck.  The only truck I've considered outside of all the normal street brands were the new Caliber hollows - http://calibertruckco.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/hollow_main-450x450.jpg





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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #608 on: April 08, 2016, 09:29:06 AM »
See......someone mentions gullwing and suddenly we're dippin into some seismics........

guys, do you think these are good for nose and tailslides?



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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #609 on: April 08, 2016, 09:38:51 AM »
gimme a minute and I'll be going OFF about extended race bearings.....

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #610 on: April 08, 2016, 09:55:06 AM »
Will using no bushings increase my risk of getting an std?

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #611 on: April 08, 2016, 10:44:50 AM »
Will using no bushings increase my risk of getting an std?
..Silly question. Of course it will!

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #612 on: April 08, 2016, 04:56:21 PM »
See......someone mentions gullwing and suddenly we're dippin into some seismics........

guys, do you think these are good for nose and tailslides?



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Real talk a guy i know that longboards always tries to get me to ride his shit and he has some caliber trucks and kept telling me they're really good for manuals, so i cool guyed him for months until one day he pretty much made me try them out, and i straight up manualed for like a quarter mile down a hill first try haha. Don't worry, im still on stage 11 149's and will most likely be forever. Out of everything i've rode they just make skating make the most sense.

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« Reply #613 on: April 08, 2016, 11:13:49 PM »
Never had back tails until I tried them on a drop board.....life changer.....

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #614 on: April 09, 2016, 07:05:09 PM »
Currently skating regular Indy 149s (medium aftermarkets, one washer, pretty loose), but now that I am only skating 8 - 8.25 instead of the odd 8.375, I want to try something else.

Here's what I'm considering:

Indy 149 forged - I like the 8.125/8.25 with 149s combo, but I've never messed with hollow trucks. Tempted by the stage 10 height.
Ace 44s - Less mass sounds good and there's the appeal of something new, but not sure of their height?
Krux K4 8.25s - Same height as stage 11s, but the 8.25 axle is tempting and I like the way Krux grind.
Thunder 149 equivalent - Never skated Thunder (or Ace). Worried they might be too low.

Leaning towards the forged 149s.

Should I just stick to what I've got so I can stay out of this thread?

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #615 on: April 09, 2016, 07:58:23 PM »
Currently skating regular Indy 149s (medium aftermarkets, one washer, pretty loose), but now that I am only skating 8 - 8.25 instead of the odd 8.375, I want to try something else.

Here's what I'm considering:

Indy 149 forged - I like the 8.125/8.25 with 149s combo, but I've never messed with hollow trucks. Tempted by the stage 10 height.
Ace 44s - Less mass sounds good and there's the appeal of something new, but not sure of their height?
Krux K4 8.25s - Same height as stage 11s, but the 8.25 axle is tempting and I like the way Krux grind.
Thunder 149 equivalent - Never skated Thunder (or Ace). Worried they might be too low.

Leaning towards the forged 149s.

Should I just stick to what I've got so I can stay out of this thread?


Indy 149's are great. I've never messed with hollow anything. Personally though, if I was going down below an 8.5" deck, I wouldn't get trucks that would be wider than it.

Ace 44's are roughly 8.375" wide and would be best for the 8.25"-8.5" range. The height is 53mm but the way they're designed you can get an insane turn with pretty much no wheelbite. I'd try them out if I were you.

Thunders 149's have a good responsive turn but you get a lot of wheelbite. Ace's have a Thunder turn but even better. Only drawback is the metal is a bit softer like Krux, where they grind smoother and longer but they wear down a little quicker.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #616 on: April 09, 2016, 08:20:36 PM »
Currently skating regular Indy 149s (medium aftermarkets, one washer, pretty loose), but now that I am only skating 8 - 8.25 instead of the odd 8.375, I want to try something else.

Here's what I'm considering:

Indy 149 forged - I like the 8.125/8.25 with 149s combo, but I've never messed with hollow trucks. Tempted by the stage 10 height.
Ace 44s - Less mass sounds good and there's the appeal of something new, but not sure of their height?
Krux K4 8.25s - Same height as stage 11s, but the 8.25 axle is tempting and I like the way Krux grind.
Thunder 149 equivalent - Never skated Thunder (or Ace). Worried they might be too low.

Leaning towards the forged 149s.

Should I just stick to what I've got so I can stay out of this thread?


Indy 149's are great. I've never messed with hollow anything. Personally though, if I was going down below an 8.5" deck, I wouldn't get trucks that would be wider than it.

Ace 44's are roughly 8.375" wide and would be best for the 8.25"-8.5" range. The height is 53mm but the way they're designed you can get an insane turn with pretty much no wheelbite. I'd try them out if I were you.

Thunders 149's have a good responsive turn but you get a lot of wheelbite. Ace's have a Thunder turn but even better. Only drawback is the metal is a bit softer like Krux, where they grind smoother and longer but they wear down a little quicker.
I'm riding Thunder 149ii's with some 56mm Spitfire Classics, and I weigh 200lbs. I'm riding the trucks with no bottom washer and the turn is awesome and it's pretty loose, and surprisingly there isn't too much wheelbite. I go by the whole "if you can't ollie up it, don't ollie down it" so I can't say anything about gaps, but my skating is super sloppy so there's a lot of times where I should wheelbite but it's really not that bad. I'd definitely suggest the thunders.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #617 on: April 09, 2016, 08:35:29 PM »
Currently skating regular Indy 149s (medium aftermarkets, one washer, pretty loose), but now that I am only skating 8 - 8.25 instead of the odd 8.375, I want to try something else.

Here's what I'm considering:

Indy 149 forged - I like the 8.125/8.25 with 149s combo, but I've never messed with hollow trucks. Tempted by the stage 10 height.
Ace 44s - Less mass sounds good and there's the appeal of something new, but not sure of their height?
Krux K4 8.25s - Same height as stage 11s, but the 8.25 axle is tempting and I like the way Krux grind.
Thunder 149 equivalent - Never skated Thunder (or Ace). Worried they might be too low.

Leaning towards the forged 149s.

Should I just stick to what I've got so I can stay out of this thread?


Indy 149's are great. I've never messed with hollow anything. Personally though, if I was going down below an 8.5" deck, I wouldn't get trucks that would be wider than it.

Ace 44's are roughly 8.375" wide and would be best for the 8.25"-8.5" range. The height is 53mm but the way they're designed you can get an insane turn with pretty much no wheelbite. I'd try them out if I were you.

Thunders 149's have a good responsive turn but you get a lot of wheelbite. Ace's have a Thunder turn but even better. Only drawback is the metal is a bit softer like Krux, where they grind smoother and longer but they wear down a little quicker.
I'm riding Thunder 149ii's with some 56mm Spitfire Classics, and I weigh 200lbs. I'm riding the trucks with no bottom washer and the turn is awesome and it's pretty loose, and surprisingly there isn't too much wheelbite. I go by the whole "if you can't ollie up it, don't ollie down it" so I can't say anything about gaps, but my skating is super sloppy so there's a lot of times where I should wheelbite but it's really not that bad. I'd definitely suggest the thunders.

You're riding the stock bushings? There's no fuckin' way with 56mm wheels and no bottom washer at 200lbs...

I weigh a little more than you, I would come to a screeching halt from that wheelbite lol

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #618 on: April 10, 2016, 04:57:14 AM »

Indy 149's are great. I've never messed with hollow anything. Personally though, if I was going down below an 8.5" deck, I wouldn't get trucks that would be wider than it.

Ace 44's are roughly 8.375" wide and would be best for the 8.25"-8.5" range. The height is 53mm but the way they're designed you can get an insane turn with pretty much no wheelbite. I'd try them out if I were you.

Thunders 149's have a good responsive turn but you get a lot of wheelbite. Ace's have a Thunder turn but even better. Only drawback is the metal is a bit softer like Krux, where they grind smoother and longer but they wear down a little quicker.

Leaning more towards Ace now I know they're lower than stage 11s, thanks. That's what's putting me off Krux. I don't want something as high as stage 11s, but I don't mind if they're 8.5. 8.375 width is good with me. I used to skate 139s, but I can't see myself going back down to that width even though I'm downsizing in board size.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #619 on: April 10, 2016, 06:05:34 AM »
going down to thunder 147 hi's and a 8.1 something w/ wider wheels can be pretty revolutionary, light but still roomy

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« Reply #620 on: April 12, 2016, 03:21:46 PM »
Back on Ace.  The turn and stability is too good to not have a pair in the rotation.  Not sure if I'll be able to stick with them long term but it's easy to see why people love them so much


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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #621 on: April 12, 2016, 03:25:10 PM »
Currently skating regular Indy 149s (medium aftermarkets, one washer, pretty loose), but now that I am only skating 8 - 8.25 instead of the odd 8.375, I want to try something else.

Here's what I'm considering:

Indy 149 forged - I like the 8.125/8.25 with 149s combo, but I've never messed with hollow trucks. Tempted by the stage 10 height.
Ace 44s - Less mass sounds good and there's the appeal of something new, but not sure of their height?
Krux K4 8.25s - Same height as stage 11s, but the 8.25 axle is tempting and I like the way Krux grind.
Thunder 149 equivalent - Never skated Thunder (or Ace). Worried they might be too low.

Leaning towards the forged 149s.

Should I just stick to what I've got so I can stay out of this thread?


Indy 149's are great. I've never messed with hollow anything. Personally though, if I was going down below an 8.5" deck, I wouldn't get trucks that would be wider than it.

Ace 44's are roughly 8.375" wide and would be best for the 8.25"-8.5" range. The height is 53mm but the way they're designed you can get an insane turn with pretty much no wheelbite. I'd try them out if I were you.

Thunders 149's have a good responsive turn but you get a lot of wheelbite. Ace's have a Thunder turn but even better. Only drawback is the metal is a bit softer like Krux, where they grind smoother and longer but they wear down a little quicker.
I'm riding Thunder 149ii's with some 56mm Spitfire Classics, and I weigh 200lbs. I'm riding the trucks with no bottom washer and the turn is awesome and it's pretty loose, and surprisingly there isn't too much wheelbite. I go by the whole "if you can't ollie up it, don't ollie down it" so I can't say anything about gaps, but my skating is super sloppy so there's a lot of times where I should wheelbite but it's really not that bad. I'd definitely suggest the thunders.

You're riding the stock bushings? There's no fuckin' way with 56mm wheels and no bottom washer at 200lbs...

I weigh a little more than you, I would come to a screeching halt from that wheelbite lol
I forgot to mention that I skate ridiculously slow (seriously, really slow) since I'm a pussy, so even when I do wheelbite I can just straighten the board out and be good. I'm so used to wheelbite that the second the wheel hits the board I just lean the other way and I'm good. That being said I still don't get a lot of wheelbite on my current setup. I also only have like 10 decent flatground tricks and I do them so often that I land them perfectly now.
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« Reply #622 on: April 12, 2016, 05:32:08 PM »
Back on Ace.  The turn and stability is too good to not have a pair in the rotation.  Not sure if I'll be able to stick with them long term but it's easy to see why people love them so much



I've had trouble with their old design in the past but have been considering giving the redesign a shot. Let us know how they are with axles bending. That was my biggest problem.

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« Reply #623 on: April 12, 2016, 07:10:05 PM »
I've had trouble with their old design in the past but have been considering giving the redesign a shot. Let us know how they are with axles bending. That was my biggest problem.

I've been skating mine for awhile now and no issues. According to Joey himself, he claimed it was a production flaw and not a design flaw with the whole bending thing. Mine are the new redesigns and I also haven't read any comments on them bending anymore. I think you'll be good.

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« Reply #624 on: April 12, 2016, 08:49:44 PM »
Back on Ace.  The turn and stability is too good to not have a pair in the rotation.  Not sure if I'll be able to stick with them long term but it's easy to see why people love them so much


My trucks kicked the bucket today. Need to order a pair of these ASAP. How do you tell the new design from the old? Is SoCal the go to for ordering Ace's. As for aftermarket stuff to try out, are Krux bushings and Kiro pivot cups the way to go? Figure Ill try it out stock set-up, but it would be nice to have some options, and I can never have enough spare parts.   

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« Reply #625 on: April 12, 2016, 09:27:51 PM »
Back on Ace.  The turn and stability is too good to not have a pair in the rotation.  Not sure if I'll be able to stick with them long term but it's easy to see why people love them so much


My trucks kicked the bucket today. Need to order a pair of these ASAP. How do you tell the new design from the old? Is SoCal the go to for ordering Ace's. As for aftermarket stuff to try out, are Krux bushings and Kiro pivot cups the way to go? Figure Ill try it out stock set-up, but it would be nice to have some options, and I can never have enough spare parts.   

In BMC's photo you can see where the pivot meets the hanger and how far the 'wings' go out, almost touching the 44

Here is the old design, the 'wings' don't even come close to the 44s.


Only the 44/55/66s were improved. You can easily ask Socalskateshop to make sure you get the stage IIs. The Diamond colorways (white and teal) have also been updated.

As for it being a 'manufacturing' defect, I call bullshit. If it was, we'd still be riding the 'narrow' winged hanger and not the reinforced one...

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« Reply #626 on: April 12, 2016, 09:42:27 PM »
Only the 44/55/66s were improved.

So the 33s are okay then? ???

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« Reply #627 on: April 12, 2016, 09:55:18 PM »
SoCal has the "stage 2" redesigns for 44, 55, 66. They do not have any of the "stage 1's" in those sizes, so you're fine...you don't have to ask before you order. Get the Krux bushings for sure, Khiro pivot cups are optional if you wanna have some extra ones for backup. Mine are still fine but I'll get around to ordering some Khiro's eventually.

Lastly, I'm not saying what Joey said is true, just repeating what he said.

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« Reply #628 on: April 12, 2016, 11:18:04 PM »
SoCal has the "stage 2" redesigns for 44, 55, 66. They do not have any of the "stage 1's" in those sizes, so you're fine...you don't have to ask before you order. Get the Krux bushings for sure, Khiro pivot cups are optional if you wanna have some extra ones for backup. Mine are still fine but I'll get around to ordering some Khiro's eventually.

Lastly, I'm not saying what Joey said is true, just repeating what he said.

I know, I read that quote too, it just doesn't make any sense. You don't reinforce something if you don't need too, axles were bending so they reinforced the hanger with more metal (just like every other truck out there does....except for 215s it seems).

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« Reply #629 on: April 12, 2016, 11:26:02 PM »
Thanks guys, ordered some 44's with Krux bushings, and both the hard and soft Khiro pivot cups just in case. I'll post whatever I end up running with.  
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