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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #960 on: July 22, 2016, 02:21:22 PM »
Do you guys get Krux' to turn deeply?

I have a pair on my cruiser, with 54 mm conical keyframes and they turn nice and all up to a point where they just won't turn any deeper. With 54 mm wheels it is impossible to get wheelbite with the Krux'. Way before getting wheelbite, the truck just won't bend further. I can get my cruiser board on two wheels easily. 54 mm wheels, no risers and I weigh 90 kg (200 lbs).

I kinda feel like I should have gone with the Ace 44s instead for the cruiser. Krux' were just more easily available and cheaper.  :-\

Krux don't really turn/carve deeply like ACE or Indy but the turn does feel like Indy/ACE to a point, but a bit quicker (but not thunder quick) I never quite found the right setup for them; I enjoyed them but they felt more like I was tipping rather than turning.

Ace's for a crusier are the right choice, even indys. On a budget, Krux should do you fine.

Thanks for the comments. I've got Indys in my main setup and I quite like them, but I'm not too fond of the wheelbite though. 54 mm wheels there too and sometimes the wheelbite takes me out.

Oh well. Some day I'll get the Aces I guess. Just gotta wait for the right time. Either feeling wealthy enough to buy them for the normal price of 60€ or hope for some sales.  :)

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #961 on: July 22, 2016, 06:06:00 PM »
But you guys realize that you could just ride indys and have the best of both worlds......

I keep thinking that's the case and running forged TI indys with conical bushings get's you closer to what thunder offers but it's still a different feel.

If there was a true best of both worlds truck, I'd ride it, even if it was made by Tensor, Royal, Fury or Minifuckinglogo.

What if it was called something dumb like Theeve....

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #962 on: July 22, 2016, 06:59:04 PM »
But you guys realize that you could just ride indys and have the best of both worlds......

I keep thinking that's the case and running forged TI indys with conical bushings get's you closer to what thunder offers but it's still a different feel.

If there was a true best of both worlds truck, I'd ride it, even if it was made by Tensor, Royal, Fury or Minifuckinglogo.

What if it was called something dumb like Theeve....

I am the truck troll.....

Far from a troll as that IS the closest thing (I've ridden a few sets) and would ride them now if only the baseplates wouldn't blow out in the pivot area do to me riding so damn loose.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #963 on: July 23, 2016, 01:06:28 AM »
What's the height of Krux Downlows, Indy Lows, and Ace Lows? I'm skating Downlows right now but I want something a bit lower because I really hate this delay in my pop.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #964 on: July 23, 2016, 01:12:45 AM »
everyone talking about "delay." Just ride ventures if you want a quick pop. You're obviously not worried about turning if you're thinking about lows.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #965 on: July 23, 2016, 03:43:14 AM »
What's the height of Krux Downlows, Indy Lows, and Ace Lows? I'm skating Downlows right now but I want something a bit lower because I really hate this delay in my pop.

Krux downlows are 52mm if i remember correctly, about the same hight as the thunder hi's, so they arent that much of a low.
The indy's lows are 48,5mm and are pretty good for low trucks. Ace's i dont know, but dont go with those, my friend has some 03 and i cant think of a worse truck i've ridden.
Thunder lows are good, i've ridden a set for about 2years and they were quality. They are really low (tactics site says they are 48,3mm but they feel lower), so wheelbite will be a problem if you dont tight them up.
Then yeah, like nallid said, venture lows are known for being good low trucks! (48,3mm in tactics site too)

I'm highs for life tho. Since I changed I only feel an improvement.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #966 on: July 23, 2016, 10:09:05 AM »
Looking to sell my two sets of moderately used raw Ace 44's that still have a lot of life in them. PM me if you're interested.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #967 on: July 23, 2016, 05:43:42 PM »
I'm not going to keep skating the Ace's and have the kingpin snap, or collapse while I'm going full speed. If anyone wants the two used sets let me know.

I'd keep skating them. On my last set of stage 11s both kingpins were loose for over 6 months and nothing happened. Don't kingpins usually snap when trucks are too tight?



I think I'm done with Indy. I really like Ace, but if they don't hold up I have a set of Thunders waiting.

Do it. Thunders got the quick snappy turn. I switch back and forth between them and aces but I roll with the aces more often. They have a much deeper turn. And I've honestly never used indy's in my life...

Hopefully I can switch between Ace and Thunder, too.

I' ve been doing this and while they feel very different its doable. I much prefer the way Thunders respond with a riser (destabilizes them nicely) and I'm currently loving my 151s again. Stock bushings totally broken in and almost to axle… going to be bummed when these die… might be the last Thunders that I can get with a Made in USA stamp on it.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #968 on: July 23, 2016, 09:59:35 PM »
Anyone have any recommendations for pivot cups to replace the ones on a pair of krux? After skating mine for over a year. I've come to realise that they are shredded apart.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #969 on: July 24, 2016, 04:23:48 AM »
What's the height of Krux Downlows, Indy Lows, and Ace Lows? I'm skating Downlows right now but I want something a bit lower because I really hate this delay in my pop.

Krux downlows are 52mm if i remember correctly, about the same hight as the thunder hi's, so they arent that much of a low.
The indy's lows are 48,5mm and are pretty good for low trucks. Ace's i dont know, but dont go with those, my friend has some 03 and i cant think of a worse truck i've ridden.
Thunder lows are good, i've ridden a set for about 2years and they were quality. They are really low (tactics site says they are 48,3mm but they feel lower), so wheelbite will be a problem if you dont tight them up.
Then yeah, like nallid said, venture lows are known for being good low trucks! (48,3mm in tactics site too)


I'm highs for life tho. Since I changed I only feel an improvement.

the best low trucks with good pop response, turn, and grind clearance is(call me a kook if you want but the measurements dont lie) thunder 145/147 hi, cause supposedly they are 49/50mm tall which is basically a low compared to hi and low height standards of todays trucks with most hi trucks being around 55mm tall

ventures are too tight in my opinion, i love low trucks and a quick pop response but ventures i feel mess with the wheel base and their turn is terrible even when the bushings break in. they just respond weird to me and i skate medium tight

i remember ace 03 are same as indy lows at 48.5mm

i think hollow forged thunder 145/147 hi are actually pretty low too cause of the baseplates so theyre probably 47mm-48mm cause of that forged plates

thunder 149,151 are actually a good hi height

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #970 on: July 26, 2016, 11:11:21 AM »
Anyone have any recommendations for pivot cups to replace the ones on a pair of krux? After skating mine for over a year. I've come to realise that they are shredded apart.



I was dorking around with some components and took a snap of Krux pivot cups (left) and regular (R) which fit in indy/thunder/venture/ace/etc. You gotta get some krux replacements in there.


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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #971 on: July 26, 2016, 11:24:38 AM »
i bought some indy aftermarket pivot cups while buing some 149s, they look and lock far way better than the stock ones...
why the hell do they sell their trucks with shitty bushings and shitty pivot cups ? that's criminal borderline !

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #972 on: July 26, 2016, 09:33:52 PM »
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #973 on: July 27, 2016, 09:37:50 PM »
The Boss bringing back the six hole baseplates!


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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #974 on: July 27, 2016, 11:11:49 PM »
Anyone have any recommendations for pivot cups to replace the ones on a pair of krux? After skating mine for over a year. I've come to realise that they are shredded apart.



I was dorking around with some components and took a snap of Krux pivot cups (left) and regular (R) which fit in indy/thunder/venture/ace/etc. You gotta get some krux replacements in there.



Totes, thanks for the reply. I've been looking for krux pivot cups but have not had any luck. Does anyone know where I can snag some besides having to buy a new pair of trucks.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #975 on: July 28, 2016, 03:36:40 PM »
You'd have to buy Krux replacement bushings, they come with them.

Are you in the states? I've two extra I can mail you! Shoot me your address via PM if you are.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #976 on: July 31, 2016, 01:21:58 AM »
Question:

If the axle placement for most ventures are wider than most trucks on the market, then why do/how can most of the techiest skaters ride them? Theoretically speaking, doesn't a wider wheelbase make for harder/slower pop & flip tricks? I imagine ventures widen wheelbases even more. 

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« Reply #977 on: July 31, 2016, 02:05:09 AM »
Like as a 7.5 board with 139s vs a 8.5 with 149s? Pretty simple science that will tell you that a smaller board with skinny trucks will flip faster than a big board with wide trucks- it will also require less energy to do so.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #978 on: July 31, 2016, 02:43:06 AM »


But then why don't more vertranny dudes ride ventures more?

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #979 on: July 31, 2016, 03:20:23 AM »
Question:

If the axle placement for most ventures are wider than most trucks on the market, then why do/how can most of the techiest skaters ride them? Theoretically speaking, doesn't a wider wheelbase make for harder/slower pop & flip tricks? I imagine ventures widen wheelbases even more. 

That's exactly what I'm wondering about, cause I didn't know much about why wheel base matters but turns out the shorter it is the better for flipping the board and having a certain turn-ability/response in turn

I thought, hey I love low trucks and ventures would be the best low trucks since they've been doing it for years and are known to be the lowest and best tech truck but man that was not how I felt about them, that axle placement just throws me off so much. So far though I love Indy lows, theeve lows, and thunder lows are alright but oddly they carve more than their hi counter parts.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #980 on: July 31, 2016, 06:35:02 PM »
The wheel base and the geometry of the ventures make it so the tail hits quicker. They're a street truck, that design is supposed to give you quicker ollies and theoretically more pop.
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« Reply #981 on: July 31, 2016, 07:00:28 PM »
The wheel base and the geometry of the ventures make it so the tail hits quicker. They're a street truck, that design is supposed to give you quicker ollies and theoretically more pop.

Thunders are the ones that REALLY push out the wheelbase.

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« Reply #982 on: July 31, 2016, 11:33:25 PM »
oh shit i didnt even know that indy made a hollow low truck, that might work out better then the hi's i got right now, the indy lows are lower than the thunder hi's with the forged baseplate right?

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #983 on: July 31, 2016, 11:57:04 PM »
How low are you wanting? I'm riding forged hollow 149s right now and they're 53.5, where standards are 55. Lows are 48.something.
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« Reply #984 on: August 01, 2016, 03:33:29 AM »
oh shit i didnt even know that indy made a hollow low truck, that might work out better then the hi's i got right now, the indy lows are lower than the thunder hi's with the forged baseplate right?

no I don't think, I think thunder hi standards are 49mm tall and forged plates make them 47.5mm so Indy lows would be 1mm higher or about the same height basically with Indy lows
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #985 on: August 02, 2016, 12:18:11 PM »
I hope this is the right thread for this question, I recently switched from thunder 147 low (with thunder medium)  bushings, to venture low with bones medium bushings. My question is that I rode thunders medium in terms of tightness, and they were very rigid , felt squeaky at times.  The ventures are very responsive, almost too responsive. Is this common with ventures or with bones medium bushings?

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #986 on: August 02, 2016, 01:38:48 PM »
it's probably the bushings.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #987 on: August 02, 2016, 01:58:17 PM »
I know people are always bumming on bones meds in Thunders...but I like it.  also, some photo of lucas' board for his new shoe campaign showed he uses em in his thunders too.  so there. 

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #988 on: August 02, 2016, 02:35:09 PM »
The wheel base and the geometry of the ventures make it so the tail hits quicker. They're a street truck, that design is supposed to give you quicker ollies and theoretically more pop.

I'm not sure about quicker but since the leverage point/fulcrum  is farther out towards the tail, the amount of force required to snap the tail or nose on the ground is increased. In addition, the angle where the tail hits the ground is steeper, which theoretically leads to a higher Ollie because your nose is higher off the ground.

The turning geometry is pretty nice, they carve very surf like and sharp if you put weight into it but seem to have a large middle point where they feel super stable, unlike indys which to me feel like they are always kind of turning even when you don't want them to.

They're easily my favorite truck minus the hard to break in bushings, but replacing the top bushing with a bones medium and leaving the stock bottom makes them feel even more surfy.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #989 on: August 06, 2016, 10:27:36 PM »
Any ideas on where I might be able to order some Krux bushings for my Aces? Ive been looking around for a few weeks and haven't seen anything recently.