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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1050 on: August 16, 2016, 05:57:43 PM »
Yeah Theeve has dropped the TI kingpings from the TIKings (now just hollow grade 8s), can't even buy them anymore and "come standard with Theeve Hardcore Bushings, guess the bones partnership is over.

Skatewarehouse says they still have the Ti kingpin.  I think its incorrect on their site, otherwise I don't know how they could justify a $20 price increase for a hollow steel KP

That stock Skate Warehouse just got of those TiKings is fresh, so their description is definitely incorrect if they claim they have titanium hollow kingpins. After j....soy.... exposing the fake Bones bushings on Theeve's I've now disregarded them as an option. My newest set of Ace's have been treating me very well with Krux bushings so I'm happy.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1051 on: August 16, 2016, 06:57:47 PM »
Yeah Theeve has dropped the TI kingpings from the TIKings (now just hollow grade 8s), can't even buy them anymore and "come standard with Theeve Hardcore Bushings, guess the bones partnership is over.

Skatewarehouse says they still have the Ti kingpin.  I think its incorrect on their site, otherwise I don't know how they could justify a $20 price increase for a hollow steel KP

That stock Skate Warehouse just got of those TiKings is fresh, so their description is definitely incorrect if they claim they have titanium

hollow kingpins. After j....soy.... exposing the fake Bones bushings on Theeve's I've now disregarded them as an option. My newest set of Ace's have been treating me very well with Krux bushings so I'm happy.

Wait, tell me more about how they weren't even using real bones bushings? I didn't know about that

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« Reply #1052 on: August 16, 2016, 09:14:03 PM »
Yeah Theeve has dropped the TI kingpings from the TIKings (now just hollow grade 8s), can't even buy them anymore and "come standard with Theeve Hardcore Bushings, guess the bones partnership is over.

Skatewarehouse says they still have the Ti kingpin.  I think its incorrect on their site, otherwise I don't know how they could justify a $20 price increase for a hollow steel KP

That stock Skate Warehouse just got of those TiKings is fresh, so their description is definitely incorrect if they claim they have titanium

hollow kingpins. After j....soy.... exposing the fake Bones bushings on Theeve's I've now disregarded them as an option. My newest set of Ace's have been treating me very well with Krux bushings so I'm happy.

Wait, tell me more about how they weren't even using real bones bushings? I didn't know about that
They used to carry Bones Mid by default and now they're just plain white. The bushings take harder to break in and don't feel the same.
At least in my experience with the 6.5s on my curb/attempts at Tranny cruiser.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1053 on: August 16, 2016, 10:25:32 PM »
Yeah Theeve has dropped the TI kingpings from the TIKings (now just hollow grade 8s), can't even buy them anymore and "come standard with Theeve Hardcore Bushings, guess the bones partnership is over.



Skatewarehouse says they still have the Ti kingpin.  I think its incorrect on their site, otherwise I don't know how they could justify a $20 price increase for a hollow steel KP

Could be old stock; I was referencing Theeves http://www.theevetrucks.com/product/Theeve-TiKing-Raw-Trucks:


"The King

The TiKING boasts the same strength, durability, and dexterity that is Theeve Trucks, only with a hollow steel kingpin. Granted Theeve True Turn Geometry, the TiKING provides for a superior kingpin to hanger ratio, guaranteeing solid truck life, and meaning it grinds probably better than any other truck on the market. Classic cast hanger and baseplate, non-slip 6/4 titanium axle, hollow steel kingpins, hardcore bushings 55mm high to center of axle. Truck royalty."

Bit of a bummer really, but if no ones buying them....clearly the CSX is where they are putting their money (and pro names); guess the 'titanium' angle isn't cutting it for them. Sucks for them, great product that was marred by production issues, just like ACE.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1054 on: August 16, 2016, 10:36:22 PM »
Yeah Theeve has dropped the TI kingpings from the TIKings (now just hollow grade 8s), can't even buy them anymore and "come standard with Theeve Hardcore Bushings, guess the bones partnership is over.



Woah, no wonder they were tweeking a lot, swapped the theeve bushings in my new theeves with Indy conicals and man they surf, but stable surf. I noticed the new kingpins are shorter compared to the old. Only really riding theeve cause I get too hyped on tech trucks. I know they aren't that tech but the slogan and ad and branding of being a titanium truck with blah blah blah has brainwashed me to think they're the best cause the way they turn and how they grind and how much clearance they have on the pin when grinding. It's hard though cause I feel like I'm riding a truck that's just supposed to be an optimized knock off of the best(thunders/indy's) but it's always opinion and preference in the end. I like them so I'll ride them

Seriously though, so crazy when you see the kids or guys that rip so hard and they ride the weirdest trucks/setup just cause they're hyped off skating and skaters they like. For example guys who are so hyped off Daewon and ride tensors or silvers cause of kalis or whoever makes silver cool
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1055 on: August 16, 2016, 11:01:35 PM »
I still skate tih's...it's shady for sure though.....but we pick apart every truck....so there had to be more wrong with these than the brand....

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1056 on: August 17, 2016, 01:59:27 AM »
I still skate tih's...it's shady for sure though.....but we pick apart every truck....so there had to be more wrong with these than the brand....


Ahaha as much as I find out about theeve I still wanna save up for some of those bad boys, theeve tih being the shape of aces but being the strongest lightest trucks cause they're titanium and hollowed out sounds so cool! Like dude, it's the strongest lightest trucks and cause they're titanium they grind so smooth. Supposedly though the new tih v2 has a hangar that grinds smoother than before cause I guess they have a new alloy rather than just straight titanium, they put something in the titanium to make it grind faster basically

My friend has some original tih and they've been lasting him so long but damn cause he rides no bottom washer and fairly loose any cylinder bushing he uses is destroyed in 2 months, gave him a set of my og Indy stage 10 supercush conicals and they seem to hold up cause I guess when swapping bushings it's best to stick to bushings with the shape they were originally designed with

I think Steve mentioned it sometime ago about using Indy aftermarkets in thunders recommending to use conicals since barrels/cylinder tear up or just don't mesh well with the hangars design

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1057 on: August 17, 2016, 07:49:13 AM »
Suffering from axel slip is why I got them,...in theory I proclaimed them as the last truck I'll ever need....when boards got wider Seamus sent me his....for which I should gnar him more often....

It's true about them grinding weird....bushings....I'm borderline one of those people who thinks stock Indy bushings are fine....I think I've replaced them and maybe a pivot....but they seem to work ok....I'm super light too....

They take forever to grind down...the design is cool...not sure if they'd hold up for everyone.....they are lighter too which is something I've gotten used to too.....crazy expensive though.....

i put how a theeve performs in the same class as Indy and Ace....

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« Reply #1058 on: August 18, 2016, 02:01:03 AM »
Suffering from axel slip is why I got them,...in theory I proclaimed them as the last truck I'll ever need....when boards got wider Seamus sent me his....for which I should gnar him more often....

It's true about them grinding weird....bushings....I'm borderline one of those people who thinks stock Indy bushings are fine....I think I've replaced them and maybe a pivot....but they seem to work ok....I'm super light too....

They take forever to grind down...the design is cool...not sure if they'd hold up for everyone.....they are lighter too which is something I've gotten used to too.....crazy expensive though.....

i put how a theeve performs in the same class as Indy and Ace....

i too am a fellow patient with axle slip diagnosed since the early days of my trucks' life.
i am riding thunders hollow 149 and axle slip occurred at around 5-10 mins of skating these trucks. now, after about 10 sessions the slip is so bad that it happens even when i don't land primo. totally frustrating and has got me thinking of actually welding the visible part of the axle to the hanger. my job is engineering related but i have absolutely no hands on experience in welding. i just know that it is possible.
has anyone here tried this before or has any experience in welding these two metals together and who could have a say about whatever problems may arise by doing so??? i am specifically worried about warping the truck after the metals have cooled down and also worried that the whole procedure will be a waste of time/trucks because a weld solo could not be enough to endure primos.

 
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1059 on: August 18, 2016, 05:33:58 AM »
gonna try out the max washer limit i can run ( 4 inside, 1 out) and see if that makes up for the extra bulbous nose on my current board

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1060 on: August 18, 2016, 05:42:11 AM »
gonna try out the max washer limit i can run ( 4 inside, 1 out) and see if that makes up for the extra bulbous nose on my current board
godspeed im on 3 now

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1061 on: August 18, 2016, 05:48:09 AM »
Suffering from axel slip is why I got them,...in theory I proclaimed them as the last truck I'll ever need....when boards got wider Seamus sent me his....for which I should gnar him more often....

It's true about them grinding weird....bushings....I'm borderline one of those people who thinks stock Indy bushings are fine....I think I've replaced them and maybe a pivot....but they seem to work ok....I'm super light too....

They take forever to grind down...the design is cool...not sure if they'd hold up for everyone.....they are lighter too which is something I've gotten used to too.....crazy expensive though.....

i put how a theeve performs in the same class as Indy and Ace....

i too am a fellow patient with axle slip diagnosed since the early days of my trucks' life.
i am riding thunders hollow 149 and axle slip occurred at around 5-10 mins of skating these trucks. now, after about 10 sessions the slip is so bad that it happens even when i don't land primo. totally frustrating and has got me thinking of actually welding the visible part of the axle to the hanger. my job is engineering related but i have absolutely no hands on experience in welding. i just know that it is possible.
has anyone here tried this before or has any experience in welding these two metals together and who could have a say about whatever problems may arise by doing so??? i am specifically worried about warping the truck after the metals have cooled down and also worried that the whole procedure will be a waste of time/trucks because a weld solo could not be enough to endure primos.

 
dude hit up deluxe if youre in the us they will hook you up

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1062 on: August 18, 2016, 07:25:22 AM »
gonna try out the max washer limit i can run ( 4 inside, 1 out) and see if that makes up for the extra bulbous nose on my current board

A wide board running with five washers on an Indy truck... is fast and bulbous. Got me?
I never tried riding with anything other than the 3+1 combo. It was nice when I had a wider board, also with a big-ass nose. A 5boro, 8.375 deck with a large nose that I didn't like at all, as it was too much for me. Once I sized down, to a 8.2 deck made of shitty maple, but with a smaller nose, I ditched the two extra washers. I'm riding Crail 149mm trucks, high. But I'm not good enough to have a real opinion, so take this for whatever it's worth (nothing).

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1063 on: August 18, 2016, 07:28:28 AM »
gonna try out the max washer limit i can run ( 4 inside, 1 out) and see if that makes up for the extra bulbous nose on my current board
godspeed im on 3 now

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why putting 1 out ? just put 5 in, bro !

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« Reply #1064 on: August 18, 2016, 10:48:59 PM »
Suffering from axel slip is why I got them,...in theory I proclaimed them as the last truck I'll ever need....when boards got wider Seamus sent me his....for which I should gnar him more often....

It's true about them grinding weird....bushings....I'm borderline one of those people who thinks stock Indy bushings are fine....I think I've replaced them and maybe a pivot....but they seem to work ok....I'm super light too....

They take forever to grind down...the design is cool...not sure if they'd hold up for everyone.....they are lighter too which is something I've gotten used to too.....crazy expensive though.....

i put how a theeve performs in the same class as Indy and Ace....

i too am a fellow patient with axle slip diagnosed since the early days of my trucks' life.
i am riding thunders hollow 149 and axle slip occurred at around 5-10 mins of skating these trucks. now, after about 10 sessions the slip is so bad that it happens even when i don't land primo. totally frustrating and has got me thinking of actually welding the visible part of the axle to the hanger. my job is engineering related but i have absolutely no hands on experience in welding. i just know that it is possible.
has anyone here tried this before or has any experience in welding these two metals together and who could have a say about whatever problems may arise by doing so??? i am specifically worried about warping the truck after the metals have cooled down and also worried that the whole procedure will be a waste of time/trucks because a weld solo could not be enough to endure primos.

 
dude hit up deluxe if youre in the us they will hook you up

i live in Greece. Shipment alone would cost more than the trucks. Also i don't want to wait for a month+ for the product to arrive.
i think i might go ahead and do the weld this weekend.
at the same time though i feel kinda ripped off because this is going to be the second set of defect thunders that i got since february! the first had dodgy pivot holes with broken bottoms that made the pivot cup burst and the pivot to grind against the baseplate and finally wear off. in previews posts i said that i was going to post pictures but never got my lazy ass to do it.
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« Reply #1065 on: August 18, 2016, 11:00:00 PM »
I considered Theeve's once, until I saw that their pro models consist of Sinner and Garrett Hill. I mean really, how good could they be?

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« Reply #1066 on: August 18, 2016, 11:12:47 PM »
Suffering from axel slip is why I got them,...in theory I proclaimed them as the last truck I'll ever need....when boards got wider Seamus sent me his....for which I should gnar him more often....

It's true about them grinding weird....bushings....I'm borderline one of those people who thinks stock Indy bushings are fine....I think I've replaced them and maybe a pivot....but they seem to work ok....I'm super light too....

They take forever to grind down...the design is cool...not sure if they'd hold up for everyone.....they are lighter too which is something I've gotten used to too.....crazy expensive though.....

i put how a theeve performs in the same class as Indy and Ace....

i too am a fellow patient with axle slip diagnosed since the early days of my trucks' life.
i am riding thunders hollow 149 and axle slip occurred at around 5-10 mins of skating these trucks. now, after about 10 sessions the slip is so bad that it happens even when i don't land primo. totally frustrating and has got me thinking of actually welding the visible part of the axle to the hanger. my job is engineering related but i have absolutely no hands on experience in welding. i just know that it is possible.
has anyone here tried this before or has any experience in welding these two metals together and who could have a say about whatever problems may arise by doing so??? i am specifically worried about warping the truck after the metals have cooled down and also worried that the whole procedure will be a waste of time/trucks because a weld solo could not be enough to endure primos.

 

My new theory is getting a bearing with an extended race allows you to crank down your axel nut which should give zero opportunity for axel slip......

There's been some design ideas in this thread to alleviate the slippage.....hopefully companies get better at it....

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« Reply #1067 on: August 19, 2016, 03:15:24 AM »
Suffering from axel slip is why I got them,...in theory I proclaimed them as the last truck I'll ever need....when boards got wider Seamus sent me his....for which I should gnar him more often....

It's true about them grinding weird....bushings....I'm borderline one of those people who thinks stock Indy bushings are fine....I think I've replaced them and maybe a pivot....but they seem to work ok....I'm super light too....

They take forever to grind down...the design is cool...not sure if they'd hold up for everyone.....they are lighter too which is something I've gotten used to too.....crazy expensive though.....

i put how a theeve performs in the same class as Indy and Ace....

i too am a fellow patient with axle slip diagnosed since the early days of my trucks' life.
i am riding thunders hollow 149 and axle slip occurred at around 5-10 mins of skating these trucks. now, after about 10 sessions the slip is so bad that it happens even when i don't land primo. totally frustrating and has got me thinking of actually welding the visible part of the axle to the hanger. my job is engineering related but i have absolutely no hands on experience in welding. i just know that it is possible.
has anyone here tried this before or has any experience in welding these two metals together and who could have a say about whatever problems may arise by doing so??? i am specifically worried about warping the truck after the metals have cooled down and also worried that the whole procedure will be a waste of time/trucks because a weld solo could not be enough to endure primos.

 

My new theory is getting a bearing with an extended race allows you to crank down your axel nut which should give zero opportunity for axel slip......

There's been some design ideas in this thread to alleviate the slippage.....hopefully companies get better at it....

yeah i have been closely following this thread and am a full supporter of a similar theory, using spacers between the two bearings and thus eliminating the space for slip. However, i don't really like the way the wheels spin when they are tightened properly. i always prefer to have around half a mm of play on each wheel so that my board is nice and noisy. since no one has tried this i might give it a go as it seems to be the only possible solution to my problem. i also thought of drilling a tiny pin hole (as has been mentioned previously) but i believe this method has more potential to fuck up my trucks permanently. fucking hate axle slip, its 2016. i'd much rather pay the extra buck to get a truck that doesn't slip and turns properly than to pay for hollow/titanium/B.S. technologies.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1068 on: August 19, 2016, 01:58:15 PM »
I don't have a lot of faith in trucks coming up with no slip axels....honestly most people don't have this problem.  It has improved but unfortunately it's not good enough and my flip/land ratio is not getting better.....

With the extended race bearings the wheels run loud after you break them in, they sound loose....but no vibration cancels the barking of wheels in slides....and yeah your board sounds like a toy store board.....

It feels like an accomplishment for me because I used to skate in the 80's where your board had t-nuts and tons of parts making it impossible to sound quiet......

Ok....another question......no stores have the krux inverted kingpin and I'm too cheap to pay for shipping....cant I just get one at machine shop?  What's the size? 

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« Reply #1069 on: August 20, 2016, 06:35:06 AM »
hmm perhaps contact the Greek distributor of Thunder?

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« Reply #1070 on: August 21, 2016, 04:32:01 AM »
finally got away from work and pushed around on my theeves reborn from the v2 days now with some v3 highs and damn. They feel so responsive. I love them.
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« Reply #1071 on: August 22, 2016, 12:07:48 AM »
hmm perhaps contact the Greek distributor of Thunder?

the way i got these trucks is a long story and i'm not sure there even is a Greek distributor of Thunder, things are very fluid over here.
fuck it, just gonna get over it and skate as is because i couldn't even be bothered with the welding thing (got some nice bud and can't get my self around doing anything productive).
and yeah j soy, watching the truck wars episode made me remember how my set up used to look like steve cabs with all the excess gimmicks attached to it!!
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« Reply #1072 on: August 22, 2016, 12:12:57 AM »
Hmm there isn't a euro distro or something that could set you up and just send your defects for you back to the guys at deluxe since they would work with them
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« Reply #1073 on: August 22, 2016, 12:33:04 AM »
Hmm there isn't a euro distro or something that could set you up and just send your defects for you back to the guys at deluxe since they would work with them

From my experiences they dont do that, or atleast indy or bones didn't, they just telling me that i have to contact directly to us and pay the shipping myself if i wanted to have a new set(live in finland)... I'm always little bit of jealous to you guys living in us, it seems like you can even send your mushy bones bushings to them and get a new set for free 😄
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« Reply #1074 on: August 22, 2016, 07:27:51 AM »
Crazy question, but it's bothering me. Are spacers supposed to get smashed like beer cans after a while? After noticing that one of my wheels stopped having play, I found that its bearing spacer was smashed and compressed. I checked all four wheels, and two of them were all bent. Toe side on back foot, and heel side on front foot, if it makes any sense.

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« Reply #1075 on: August 22, 2016, 07:32:01 AM »
yep it happens to all to them eventually I think, me and many others go without them 

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« Reply #1076 on: August 22, 2016, 08:32:50 PM »
I'm skating Thunder 149 hi's, the bushings are totally munched up and exploding inside out. I've been skating bones medium in them but they don't seem to work well or last long. Are there any good bushings specific to Thunder hi's or are bones the best?

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« Reply #1077 on: August 22, 2016, 10:00:55 PM »
I'm skating Thunder 149 hi's, the bushings are totally munched up and exploding inside out. I've been skating bones medium in them but they don't seem to work well or last long. Are there any good bushings specific to Thunder hi's or are bones the best?
The conical Indy's work well. Thunder brand aftermarkets are harder to find but I'm pretty sure Tactics has them in 90,95, and 100a.

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« Reply #1078 on: August 23, 2016, 09:22:40 AM »
I'm skating Thunder 149 hi's, the bushings are totally munched up and exploding inside out. I've been skating bones medium in them but they don't seem to work well or last long. Are there any good bushings specific to Thunder hi's or are bones the best?

Do you use any washers?
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« Reply #1079 on: August 24, 2016, 10:43:46 AM »
Thunder bushings fit the best (duh) but to me they don't have enough rebound, they feel sort of slow and sloppy when loose.

Even with bones you have to use the bottom washers to match height of the stock bushings if you want to maintain stock geo (if that matters to you, tons of people don't bother.

My preference are the red 88a conical Indy aftermarkets + a washer (the thin bones washer is perfect); I posted a pic of it in this thread a few pages back or so.

I just switched back to the team plates using the same bushings/krux pin and it feels fantastic.
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