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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1140 on: September 06, 2016, 04:56:00 PM »
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1141 on: September 12, 2016, 06:23:07 PM »


my bullshit/cruiser Indy's cracked all the way through on both sides... should i worry about switching them out since it's it not my main board?
I wouldn't skate a truck cracked that bad. If you send it to nhs they'll hook you up with a new set.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1142 on: September 12, 2016, 07:57:43 PM »
Giving the Ace 03 a second chance this weekend, but this time they are entirely bastardized.

I purchased Magnesium baseplates, and 95a Doh Doh's that I had to sand down to fit the Ace bushing size. I'll report back with my findings after proper demoing.

*also Khiro small pivot cups, as any company using hard plastic cups (minilogo) is doing it wrong*

Ok.. So I have a couple sessions under my belt with my modified Ace 03's, and I gotta say for the first time since I started skating again I think I've found my ideal truck setup.

It isn't exactly cheap all things considered, but it's what works for me. I feel a comfort level much akin to what I felt riding Krux exclusively in my younger years skating. Really digging the setup!
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1143 on: September 12, 2016, 10:46:44 PM »
Giving the Ace 03 a second chance this weekend, but this time they are entirely bastardized.

I purchased Magnesium baseplates, and 95a Doh Doh's that I had to sand down to fit the Ace bushing size. I'll report back with my findings after proper demoing.

*also Khiro small pivot cups, as any company using hard plastic cups (minilogo) is doing it wrong*

Ok.. So I have a couple sessions under my belt with my modified Ace 03's, and I gotta say for the first time since I started skating again I think I've found my ideal truck setup.

It isn't exactly cheap all things considered, but it's what works for me. I feel a comfort level much akin to what I felt riding Krux exclusively in my younger years skating. Really digging the setup!

Once you get ACE's dialed in it's fucking hard to go back to anything else... Thunders feel like they just tilt, indys feel unstable (of all things!)...don't get to used to those mag plates...stock up if you can find more, I wish I had picked up a number of sets back then...

I skated a pair of 03s years ago, skated them finger tight (then just a 1/4 wrech turn) with bones HARD bushings...totally odd setup but loved'em.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1144 on: September 13, 2016, 05:05:32 AM »
Giving the Ace 03 a second chance this weekend, but this time they are entirely bastardized.

I purchased Magnesium baseplates, and 95a Doh Doh's that I had to sand down to fit the Ace bushing size. I'll report back with my findings after proper demoing.

*also Khiro small pivot cups, as any company using hard plastic cups (minilogo) is doing it wrong*

Ok.. So I have a couple sessions under my belt with my modified Ace 03's, and I gotta say for the first time since I started skating again I think I've found my ideal truck setup.

It isn't exactly cheap all things considered, but it's what works for me. I feel a comfort level much akin to what I felt riding Krux exclusively in my younger years skating. Really digging the setup!

Once you get ACE's dialed in it's fucking hard to go back to anything else... Thunders feel like they just tilt, indys feel unstable (of all things!)


So true. I've been on 44s for a few months, but I had spare parts laying around and decided to make another board with some Thunders hi 149s I got from Nallid. Tried skating them tonight. I was hoping for a quick, snappy response (being lower, lighter and everything), but it feels like the wheelbase is too long or something. Pop on both ollies and nollies felt really laggy. Granted it was new everything, except the bushings had been used, but the trucks still felt pretty tight. Someone on here was saying they switch between Thunder and Ace, but I think I'm going to just have to go with Ace. They feel too different from each other for me to move between the two brands.

Ace are everything I wanted in stage 11s (I'd still skate some stage 9s or 10s if I could find them).
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1145 on: September 13, 2016, 12:14:05 PM »
I'm always perplexed how people compare Ace's to thunders......

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« Reply #1146 on: September 13, 2016, 12:33:08 PM »
The timing on Ace and Thunder is very different on the 'pop. ' Both great trucks but probably suit different people.

Thunder=Stable but initiate turns super quick. Very responsive. Pop feels a bit delayed, even though they are lower, could be due to kingpin angle...
Indy=get a little out of control at speed. Slower but deeper turn.
Ace=Quick but also deep turn. Respond great at slower speeds and seem to get more stable at speed. Ace and Indy seem to react to ollies in the same way... Might be a bit quicker with Ace as they sit lower.

I rotate between all these trucks and it probably doesn't help my skateboarding.


This is completely subjective and I'm procrastinating a data project at work, so take it a grain of salt....


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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1147 on: September 13, 2016, 01:40:02 PM »
Aces shrink your wheel base....thunders extend them.....Totally different trucks....I think in the spectrum of popular trucks excluding lows and hi's: ACE, Indy, thunder, venture......

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1148 on: September 14, 2016, 12:43:56 AM »
I'm always perplexed how people compare Ace's to thunders......

Only comparing because I wanted something other than Indy. The only other options are Ace, Thunder, or Venture, and I ended up with a set of Thunders and Aces.

Yep, it's definitely the geometry, N.L. I don't have the time to get used to other trucks, so Ace it is. I like how I can run the 44s stock, and that they're 8.375 wide. It'd be nice if they were made in the U.S.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1149 on: September 14, 2016, 02:31:51 AM »
indy 149 with indy aftermarket black cilinder bushings is the truth, noble experiment was right ! I tried some that i broken in previously on my chill set up, perfect for me, nuts on flush haha
blue ones should be great on 139's
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1150 on: September 15, 2016, 09:06:18 PM »
So I've been curious about trying out some Ventures lately. From what I've heard they seem pretty similar to Thunders, but I'm wondering if there's any major differences between the two other than how fast they turn? I'm mainly curious about the timing on ollies and how much contact the wheels make during nose/tailslides. Those are my only issues with Thunder. I recently went back to Ace and I personally love them, but I've also been wanting to get another setup going for when I'm feeling something different. I'd also be getting the 5.8's if that makes any difference.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1151 on: September 15, 2016, 11:36:05 PM »
So I've been curious about trying out some Ventures lately. From what I've heard they seem pretty similar to Thunders, but I'm wondering if there's any major differences between the two other than how fast they turn? I'm mainly curious about the timing on ollies and how much contact the wheels make during nose/tailslides. Those are my only issues with Thunder. I recently went back to Ace and I personally love them, but I've also been wanting to get another setup going for when I'm feeling something different. I'd also be getting the 5.8's if that makes any difference.
Definitely not similar, more like exact opposite side of spectrum. They're the same quality metal but they turn less because they are really stable. They do have a lot of clearance and someone has said they help flip better. 
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1152 on: September 16, 2016, 12:48:38 AM »
So I've been curious about trying out some Ventures lately. From what I've heard they seem pretty similar to Thunders, but I'm wondering if there's any major differences between the two other than how fast they turn? I'm mainly curious about the timing on ollies and how much contact the wheels make during nose/tailslides. Those are my only issues with Thunder. I recently went back to Ace and I personally love them, but I've also been wanting to get another setup going for when I'm feeling something different. I'd also be getting the 5.8's if that makes any difference.

They're a tiny bit taller than thunders, don't turn as quick, and the baseplate sticks out beyond the wheels so if you were worried about wheel contact on slides it would be less I guess... The hangar is pretty much directly over the holes. The stock bushings are kind of shitty, but indy's fit perfectly so you have options.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1153 on: September 16, 2016, 02:27:47 AM »
I agree with dwarf

Ventures turn kinda slow and idk about anyone else but my venture lo were too grounded feeling , sorta like a water logged deck kinda feeling. But that's just me.

Thunder hi are truly a good mid truck to me, they're quick on the turn and response and give this nice pop but the only problem is that they lack a nice surfy deep turn. I have to ride without bottom washers to almost get it that way.

Dang you guys are getting me interested in aces, I know I can't ride tall trucks well so Ima try to cop some 03 too
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1154 on: September 16, 2016, 09:29:08 AM »
If aces used a harder aluminum for the hangers and tightened up quality control they'd be pretty class.

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« Reply #1155 on: September 16, 2016, 09:43:25 AM »
Venture Highs have the highest axle, period. I really like the way they turn but you definitely have a longer distance for your tail to travel before it hits the ground. I feel like they suck for flip tricks but then again, I suck at flip tricks so it could be that, or riding bigger wheels, who knows.

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« Reply #1156 on: September 17, 2016, 11:23:14 PM »
I was taking apart all my set ups today...switching out the bearings and I noticed how the washers varied......the ones I think that work the best are as small as possible so they just fit on the axel....but they are also thick so they give clearance from the nut to the race.....

Do different companies make washers?  I remember the frog washers which were convex...idea was less contact between the nut and bearing....

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« Reply #1157 on: September 18, 2016, 12:46:21 AM »
I was taking apart all my set ups today...switching out the bearings and I noticed how the washers varied......the ones I think that work the best are as small as possible so they just fit on the axel....but they are also thick so they give clearance from the nut to the race.....

Do different companies make washers?  I remember the frog washers which were convex...idea was less contact between the nut and bearing....

Nerdy stuff.....fall setting in...

I had a guy voraciously debate whether the rounded side or the flat side of the speed washer was was supposed to contact the bearing race...

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1158 on: September 18, 2016, 10:16:42 AM »
No one answered me in the Ace thread, anyone have feedback on hard vs soft Khiro pivot cups in Ace's? I'm 220lbs so I'm not sure if softs will wear out as quickly as Ace stocks, or if the hards will last longer but restrict the turning.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1159 on: September 18, 2016, 11:06:25 AM »
go medium !

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1160 on: September 18, 2016, 01:00:28 PM »
go medium !

Khiro's come in soft or hard pivot cups. Not mediums.

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« Reply #1161 on: September 18, 2016, 01:14:59 PM »
Been hyped on footage from guys on Venture so I set mine up again. Slapped some of the conical orange indy bushings.
Can't seem to form tre flips in them (switching from thunders) anyone else have this problem too?
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1162 on: September 18, 2016, 05:16:12 PM »
As said before. Thunders move the axle out towards the nose and tail making u have to push down farther to pop your board. It's not as big a difference as it could be because the trucks are lower. 52.8mm vs 55mm for indys at the axle. Ventures aren't the highest. The tallest ones are 53.5. The same height as the stage 10 indys or the forged baseplate stage 11s. I had a set of standard Indy 149's with stock bushings with no baseplate washer that I've skated for almost a year with no complaints other than replacing three sets of pivot cups and a few sets of bushings. I needed new trucks and usually buy 8.62-8.75 boards so I just got a set of thunder 151's to move up in size and try something new. So far so good. Pops different and I get a little more wheel bite but overall I like them.  

Edit. I just measured the wheel base axle to axle on two identical boards, one with indys .One with thunders. The thunders stretch the wheel base by over three quarters of an inch or 20mm. Didn't realize it was that big a difference.
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« Reply #1163 on: September 18, 2016, 05:35:31 PM »
i started riding thunders in 2010 and they work perfect for me. the 147 hi's. i recently went back to indy hi's and couldn't get used to em so i just got a set of thunders again. threw the aftermarket 92 duro's in em. perfect

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1164 on: September 18, 2016, 07:56:59 PM »
go medium !

Khiro's come in soft or hard pivot cups. Not mediums.
i know dude, was just kidding
i'd say go hard, cause i had bad experience with soft (non khiro) pivot cups who were blown away after one sesh, and trucks didn't turn well with these soft shit...hard will feel more solid and precise, even ik you have to break them at first 

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« Reply #1165 on: September 18, 2016, 10:44:32 PM »
go medium !

Khiro's come in soft or hard pivot cups. Not mediums.
i know dude, was just kidding
i'd say go hard, cause i had bad experience with soft (non khiro) pivot cups who were blown away after one sesh, and trucks didn't turn well with these soft shit...hard will feel more solid and precise, even ik you have to break them at first 

Haha, gotcha. Well thanks man, I think I'll just end up gettin' both and experimenting. They're only like $3 a set.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1166 on: September 20, 2016, 01:36:47 PM »
I've always used Khiro softs, they just feel right in Indy/ACE, really nice surfy feel. Never tried hards.

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« Reply #1167 on: September 20, 2016, 01:45:59 PM »
I've always used Khiro softs, they just feel right in Indy/ACE, really nice surfy feel. Never tried hards.

Are they squeaky?

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« Reply #1168 on: September 20, 2016, 07:15:51 PM »
I've always used Khiro softs, they just feel right in Indy/ACE, really nice surfy feel. Never tried hards.

Are they squeaky?

Not at all.

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« Reply #1169 on: September 20, 2016, 07:27:13 PM »
I haven't noticed any sort of squeek from the soft pivot cups personally. Only sounds I've ever really noticed on any of my truck setups were riding bones bushings, and they would make a strange clicking sound.

I'd be hesitant to give hard pivot cups a try just on the basis that once they wear out they don't have any rebound. So you essentially will have your pivot sitting in a chasm. Most "hard" pivot cups are just plastic really (at least in my recent experience).



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