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« Reply #1410 on: November 01, 2016, 08:47:33 AM »
i am just furious that in the year 2016 no company can guarantee that the axles of their trucks will not slip. It is like theft. Someone please point out a company to guarantee non slip axles and i'm going to buy 10 sets.
never had any problems with trucks apart from slipping axle in pretty much every truck i have owned. Amazing solutions for this problem  have been posted here and being an engineer i know it is super easy (process wise) to make non slip axles.
Or maybe they don't really need to! It is only a matter of having sheep to repeatedly buy faulty goods because there is no other choice.
Dunno, i'm fucking butthurt that's all. 2 seriously defective sets of thunder hollows in the past 6 months and counting...

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« Reply #1411 on: November 01, 2016, 09:28:40 AM »
Found some Grind King kingpins for a really really good price if anyone is interested!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Grind-King-Kingpin-Set-With-Inserts-/291840114836?hash=item43f306c094:g:PZAAAOSwRGlXp~In

ahaha are they really guaranteed for life? ::)


IDK but they got free shipping haha

At $300 US they better....

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« Reply #1412 on: November 01, 2016, 12:55:40 PM »
Drop of coconut oil, dry bike chain lube, dish soap...whatever,  in the pivot cup. Usually sorts out the squeaking for me. Thunders yield more consistent flippery for me too. Question: what size trucks did you have on the 7.75? I have this feeling that width is a highly over considered measurement. 8-8.38 who cares. 8" trucks vs 8.5" trucks tho? For me, way different
For anyone dealing with pivot cup issues, take bmcsteves advice from the first page of this thread and get some finish line dry teflon chain lube. It's more than worth the $5 to have a silent setup.

What process would one use for this lube? I haven't bought any yet. I'm debating if I do or do not care still. When I'm doing tricks I don't notice due to focusing on what I'm doing, but when I'm just cruising I definitely pay attention to the squeak. I've been skating better than I have in a long time since trying these Thunder 147s though. Kinda mad at myself for not trying before. I haven't got to try many grinds yet, but stability and flop tricks seem top notch. Plus, jumping from 7.75 to 8.125 AND different trucks, I'm surprised it's been so easy.

Stoked trucks are working out for you! And going up in size, way easier than going down...(sus). Annnnnnyways, as mentioned, BMC with the excellent idea of dry bike chain lube for the pivot cup. You need a small amount, the stuff doesn't cost much, works the best. I just take the hangar off and place a small amount into the cup, using the pivot from the hangar to spread the lube. 2 minute operation. Pretty much the only thing that bugs me about ventures is the squeaky pivot cup, but I'm already usually taking the hangar off to get at the outer baseplate mounting hardware so....glad thunders are working. I have had good experiences with the quality as well

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1413 on: November 01, 2016, 01:08:29 PM »
i am just furious that in the year 2016 no company can guarantee that the axles of their trucks will not slip. It is like theft. Someone please point out a company to guarantee non slip axles and i'm going to buy 10 sets.
never had any problems with trucks apart from slipping axle in pretty much every truck i have owned. Amazing solutions for this problem  have been posted here and being an engineer i know it is super easy (process wise) to make non slip axles.
Or maybe they don't really need to! It is only a matter of having sheep to repeatedly buy faulty goods because there is no other choice.
Dunno, i'm fucking butthurt that's all. 2 seriously defective sets of thunder hollows in the past 6 months and counting...

Axle slip is super annoying. Back when I was actually semi competent on a skateboard it was extremely prevelant, especially Indys. Constantly tapping them on shit. Been a little bit of a venture shill on here lately, which is funnny as I'm skating 139s, but the venture hi geometry feels to me to be in between Indys and thunders, and I haven't had a problem with their quality since the 90's. Use to break em back then, rock solid now. They aren't guaranteed to my knowledge, and for you being out of the US the shipping is most likely the worst part. As mentioned by others, pretty weird that a more precise option doesn't exist

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« Reply #1414 on: November 01, 2016, 11:18:14 PM »
Reason I bought tih's......

I've mentioned that my theory is race reds can really help axel slip.....everything ridden tight....no play....no slip....

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« Reply #1415 on: November 01, 2016, 11:42:31 PM »
Reason I bought tih's......

I've mentioned that my theory is race reds can really help axel slip.....everything ridden tight....no play....no slip....

they definitely can if the wheels are poured with precision bearing seats. i think non cored wheels tend to have a pretty large bearing seat spacing variance that prevents them from fully taking advantage of race reds and regular spacers like (cored) longboard wheels do

back to trucks, still running venture 5.2 his pretty loose but considering switching to indy or ace for my next pair

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« Reply #1416 on: November 01, 2016, 11:46:43 PM »
Reason I bought tih's......

I've mentioned that my theory is race reds can really help axel slip.....everything ridden tight....no play....no slip....

Somehow never gave theeves a try. I will say that I did stare at the $150 ones for a little too long online. Which ones do you have? What's your verdict? Geometry is the overwhelming criteria for me. And by that I mean how is the pop. Haven't had a truck I couldn't get to turn, obviously some better than others.

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« Reply #1417 on: November 01, 2016, 11:51:32 PM »
Reason I bought tih's......

I've mentioned that my theory is race reds can really help axel slip.....everything ridden tight....no play....no slip....

they definitely can if the wheels are poured with precision bearing seats. i think non cored wheels tend to have a pretty large bearing seat spacing variance that prevents them from fully taking advantage of race reds and regular spacers like (cored) longboard wheels do

back to trucks, still running venture 5.2 his pretty loose but considering switching to indy or ace for my next pair


Venture 5.2 hi's are most likely my next. I have the lows and they are excellent, relegated to 52mm and under is lame tho. I love small wheels, I don't love haaaaving to ride them. Any pro/cons to your venture experience?


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« Reply #1418 on: November 01, 2016, 11:58:55 PM »
Reason I bought tih's......

I've mentioned that my theory is race reds can really help axel slip.....everything ridden tight....no play....no slip....

they definitely can if the wheels are poured with precision bearing seats. i think non cored wheels tend to have a pretty large bearing seat spacing variance that prevents them from fully taking advantage of race reds and regular spacers like (cored) longboard wheels do

back to trucks, still running venture 5.2 his pretty loose but considering switching to indy or ace for my next pair


Venture 5.2 hi's are most likely my next. I have the lows and they are excellent, relegated to 52mm and under is lame tho. I love small wheels, I don't love haaaaving to ride them. Any pro/cons to your venture experience?


They throw off your tricks, the stock bushings are pretty hard. Great clearance and definitely help with manuals.
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« Reply #1419 on: November 02, 2016, 01:12:46 AM »
Reason I bought tih's......

I've mentioned that my theory is race reds can really help axel slip.....everything ridden tight....no play....no slip....

they definitely can if the wheels are poured with precision bearing seats. i think non cored wheels tend to have a pretty large bearing seat spacing variance that prevents them from fully taking advantage of race reds and regular spacers like (cored) longboard wheels do

back to trucks, still running venture 5.2 his pretty loose but considering switching to indy or ace for my next pair


dude, definitely ACEś. aces all the way. the geometry and all make them such an amazing truck. i might have the lows but can tell you aces are like if you got thunders quick turn and light weight in an indy so you still get some carvy turns but more stability and less weight.

plus it wont be such a crazy difference cause i think venture hi and ace hi run at 53mm/53.5mm tall rather than the slightly overwhelming indy standard height at 55mm tall

you notice the 55mm tallness when you start getting tired and notice how much effort it takes to tap the tail to the ground and get some pop. at least thats how i feel.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1420 on: November 02, 2016, 02:25:05 AM »
Drop of coconut oil, dry bike chain lube, dish soap...whatever,  in the pivot cup. Usually sorts out the squeaking for me. Thunders yield more consistent flippery for me too. Question: what size trucks did you have on the 7.75? I have this feeling that width is a highly over considered measurement. 8-8.38 who cares. 8" trucks vs 8.5" trucks tho? For me, way different
For anyone dealing with pivot cup issues, take bmcsteves advice from the first page of this thread and get some finish line dry teflon chain lube. It's more than worth the $5 to have a silent setup.

What process would one use for this lube? I haven't bought any yet. I'm debating if I do or do not care still. When I'm doing tricks I don't notice due to focusing on what I'm doing, but when I'm just cruising I definitely pay attention to the squeak. I've been skating better than I have in a long time since trying these Thunder 147s though. Kinda mad at myself for not trying before. I haven't got to try many grinds yet, but stability and flop tricks seem top notch. Plus, jumping from 7.75 to 8.125 AND different trucks, I'm surprised it's been so easy.

Take the hanger off, shake the lube really well (you need to mix the teflon), put 2 small drops in each pivot cup, reassemble and skate.  You'll notice that some leaks out onto the hanger (don't worry it doesnt reach the bushings) wipe that off and you're good to go



Jesus. Sorry guys. Didn't read Steve's post before I chimed in with some redundancy. Apologies

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« Reply #1421 on: November 02, 2016, 06:26:05 AM »
back to Thunders again... but wanted to lessen the change from surfy indys, saw these photos of Dylan and Austyn's trucks, and gave the ol Bones Med a try again...without washers.  skated em last night and liked it.



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« Reply #1422 on: November 02, 2016, 08:50:45 AM »
Reason I bought tih's......

I've mentioned that my theory is race reds can really help axel slip.....everything ridden tight....no play....no slip....

Somehow never gave theeves a try. I will say that I did stare at the $150 ones for a little too long online. Which ones do you have? What's your verdict? Geometry is the overwhelming criteria for me. And by that I mean how is the pop. Haven't had a truck I couldn't get to turn, obviously some better than others.

I have the older design and they work well for me.....the titanium grinds weird but I've accepted it and now like how light they are....they don't really grind down either.....

Haven't  measured them but they feel like a higher truck.....in the Indy, Ace family versus the Thunder, Venture family......I like how they turn but may not address your pop....

With thr cores....I ride bones wheels and they seem to line up well......

I'm with you guys though.....axel slip is annoying.....I went like 20 years of slipping indys.....and my flat ground game isn't getting any better.....


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« Reply #1423 on: November 02, 2016, 11:17:40 AM »
Reason I bought tih's......

I've mentioned that my theory is race reds can really help axel slip.....everything ridden tight....no play....no slip....

they definitely can if the wheels are poured with precision bearing seats. i think non cored wheels tend to have a pretty large bearing seat spacing variance that prevents them from fully taking advantage of race reds and regular spacers like (cored) longboard wheels do

back to trucks, still running venture 5.2 his pretty loose but considering switching to indy or ace for my next pair


Venture 5.2 hi's are most likely my next. I have the lows and they are excellent, relegated to 52mm and under is lame tho. I love small wheels, I don't love haaaaving to ride them. Any pro/cons to your venture experience?

They've definitely improved the stock bushings from what they used to be. Ventures seem to require more force to pop but pop more because of the extended wheelbase. No axle bending or slipping. The geometry is a double edged sword, super stable at high speeds but definitely not as maneuverable as Other trucks

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« Reply #1424 on: November 02, 2016, 11:19:50 AM »
back to Thunders again... but wanted to lessen the change from surfy indys, saw these photos of Dylan and Austyn's trucks, and gave the ol Bones Med a try again...without washers.  skated em last night and liked it.





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« Reply #1425 on: November 02, 2016, 12:28:58 PM »
How do thunders feel with bones bushings instead of the stock?

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« Reply #1426 on: November 02, 2016, 12:45:46 PM »
a lil less spazzy... but still sharper than Indy w/bones
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« Reply #1427 on: November 02, 2016, 05:25:45 PM »
How do thunders feel with bones bushings instead of the stock?

good but it makes the pivot cup more prone to breaking. i was on the thunder hi/bones mediums for about 5 years. gave the 95duro thunder aftermarket bushings a shot and in my experience they're waaaaay better
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« Reply #1428 on: November 02, 2016, 05:40:15 PM »
If I want a similar feel to the Indy stock bushings, should I get the aftermarket conical orange ones?
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« Reply #1429 on: November 02, 2016, 06:15:53 PM »
Stock Indy's are 90a cylinder bottoms

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« Reply #1430 on: November 03, 2016, 12:49:22 AM »
I've been skating better than I have in a long time since trying these Thunder 147s though. Kinda mad at myself for not trying before. I haven't got to try many grinds yet, but stability and flop tricks seem top notch. Plus, jumping from 7.75 to 8.125 AND different trucks, I'm surprised it's been so easy.
Glad it's been an easy transition for ya. 7.75 → 8.5 and Thunder 149s is doing my head in at the moment. As xen (?) suggested I haven't tighten the kingpins at all so my first two sessions have kinda sucked. Super x2 squirrelly trucks but I will say that at least they return to centre almost immediately and I'm yet to get wheelbite which is surprising me. Maybe I shouldn't have made such a big jump in sizes?

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« Reply #1431 on: November 03, 2016, 02:06:42 AM »
back to Thunders again... but wanted to lessen the change from surfy indys, saw these photos of Dylan and Austyn's trucks, and gave the ol Bones Med a try again...without washers.  skated em last night and liked it.





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« Reply #1432 on: November 03, 2016, 11:29:10 AM »
I'm on some 139 Indys, but I cannot stand the axle slip anymore, I live in Europe so I guess no warranty for me... I only rode Indys for the last 10 years, but I just can't stand the axle slip anymore. I have to stomp my truck every 15 minutes and it's just not bearable anymore.

My question is about Thunders, never had Thunders and wanted to try, but I don't want to deal with any slippage. Does Thunder has the same issue with slippage?
What are you feedbacks?


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« Reply #1433 on: November 03, 2016, 12:17:31 PM »
In the 80s, indys were a guaranteed sip, had to bang that shit back in place every session, that's why we all switched to thunders or ventures back then, they did slip but to a lesser degree.

I hear thunders getting slip, but that's only here on slap where I'd say more people have indys slip than thunders.

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« Reply #1434 on: November 03, 2016, 04:55:00 PM »
I'm on some 139 Indys, but I cannot stand the axle slip anymore, I live in Europe so I guess no warranty for me... I only rode Indys for the last 10 years, but I just can't stand the axle slip anymore. I have to stomp my truck every 15 minutes and it's just not bearable anymore.

My question is about Thunders, never had Thunders and wanted to try, but I don't want to deal with any slippage. Does Thunder has the same issue with slippage?
What are you feedbacks?



I've had Axle slip with every truck i've had, except for thunders and indy's. I do hear that Indy's slip a lot, but I'm currently with a set of Koston Indy's stage XI that are forget and hollow and they dont have any sign of slip, even after almost 2 years of use. Maybe it's the hollow axle that it's better designed, dunno.

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« Reply #1435 on: November 03, 2016, 06:48:23 PM »
I've been skating better than I have in a long time since trying these Thunder 147s though. Kinda mad at myself for not trying before. I haven't got to try many grinds yet, but stability and flop tricks seem top notch. Plus, jumping from 7.75 to 8.125 AND different trucks, I'm surprised it's been so easy.
Glad it's been an easy transition for ya. 7.75 → 8.5 and Thunder 149s is doing my head in at the moment. As xen (?) suggested I haven't tighten the kingpins at all so my first two sessions have kinda sucked. Super x2 squirrelly trucks but I will say that at least they return to centre almost immediately and I'm yet to get wheelbite which is surprising me. Maybe I shouldn't have made such a big jump in sizes?

That first session, I was all over the place. Second session I just did a bunch of fullspeed skating/carving through the city to break bushings in. Third session I started doing flip tricks and stuff. I think it took me 4 to get used to it. The board looks huge to me when I'm not on it. Visually, I prefer the look of the small boards. So far in my 8.125 era, I do feel like I am landing more solid/securely. I am seriously blown away at how consistent my flip tricks have been with Thunder though. I do think that second session helped me, I did my old time run through my entire city and carved as much as possible. I feel like this helped me get used to Thunder and this big board.
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« Reply #1436 on: November 03, 2016, 06:58:11 PM »
I've never had any slip with Indys. 1986-2016. I broke one kingpin, right before they went to stage IX. A kickflip off a sidewalk, I was dumbfounded. I held the board, stared at for a long time, did not even know how to react. Had I known they were about to change the hanger, I would have bought 1000 pairs of stage VII's and VIII's though.

I had axle slip with the Venture featherlites in 92, and whatever Ventures in 94-97. Not TOO bad, just here and there. And I skated good on Ventures, enough so that I didn't mind.
I definitely had axle slip with trying Destructos in '99 possibly. I believe my review of those trucks were: "Not bad, not good", if that makes any sense. I think my thought process was that I could maybe ollie higher like Reese "the Forbinator" Forbes at that time. I definitely couldn't and should have taken it as a sign when he didn't win his own ollie challenge.

I think the most wacky trucks I've seen were Orions. My younger skate friend was really into Kareem "Reemo" Campbell, and bought some because that was Kareem's sponsor (probably rode Ventures or Indys). He asked me "Can you make these loose like Kareem's?" , one of the funniest things I've ever heard. (he asked me to tighten/loosen all his shit all the time, I swear he had a phobia of tools. Later he became addicted to crack for a few years, and only listened to bands with dead band members: Doors, Blind Melon, Alice in Chains etc. Now he's sober and wants to be a lawyer).
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« Reply #1437 on: November 03, 2016, 07:00:18 PM »
Drop of coconut oil, dry bike chain lube, dish soap...whatever,  in the pivot cup. Usually sorts out the squeaking for me. Thunders yield more consistent flippery for me too. Question: what size trucks did you have on the 7.75? I have this feeling that width is a highly over considered measurement. 8-8.38 who cares. 8" trucks vs 8.5" trucks tho? For me, way different
For anyone dealing with pivot cup issues, take bmcsteves advice from the first page of this thread and get some finish line dry teflon chain lube. It's more than worth the $5 to have a silent setup.

What process would one use for this lube? I haven't bought any yet. I'm debating if I do or do not care still. When I'm doing tricks I don't notice due to focusing on what I'm doing, but when I'm just cruising I definitely pay attention to the squeak. I've been skating better than I have in a long time since trying these Thunder 147s though. Kinda mad at myself for not trying before. I haven't got to try many grinds yet, but stability and flop tricks seem top notch. Plus, jumping from 7.75 to 8.125 AND different trucks, I'm surprised it's been so easy.

Take the hanger off, shake the lube really well (you need to mix the teflon), put 2 small drops in each pivot cup, reassemble and skate.  You'll notice that some leaks out onto the hanger (don't worry it doesnt reach the bushings) wipe that off and you're good to go

Cool, thanks Steve, I'm gonna try this when I get the chance. I'm always nervous taking the hangers off after getting used to a truck, like I won't find that same good spot again. :-S
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« Reply #1438 on: November 03, 2016, 07:28:43 PM »
That first session, I was all over the place. Second session I just did a bunch of fullspeed skating/carving through the city to break bushings in. Third session I started doing flip tricks and stuff. I think it took me 4 to get used to it. The board looks huge to me when I'm not on it. Visually, I prefer the look of the small boards. So far in my 8.125 era, I do feel like I am landing more solid/securely. I am seriously blown away at how consistent my flip tricks have been with Thunder though. I do think that second session helped me, I did my old time run through my entire city and carved as much as possible. I feel like this helped me get used to Thunder and this big board.
Thanks for that mate, I'll have another few rolls before winter kicks in and see how it goes. I think the sheer length of this board (as opposed to the width) is what's doing my head in/ messing with my pop the most. Bombing hills has never been so fun so maybe I'll just focus on that for the meantime.

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« Reply #1439 on: November 03, 2016, 08:10:31 PM »
That first session, I was all over the place. Second session I just did a bunch of fullspeed skating/carving through the city to break bushings in. Third session I started doing flip tricks and stuff. I think it took me 4 to get used to it. The board looks huge to me when I'm not on it. Visually, I prefer the look of the small boards. So far in my 8.125 era, I do feel like I am landing more solid/securely. I am seriously blown away at how consistent my flip tricks have been with Thunder though. I do think that second session helped me, I did my old time run through my entire city and carved as much as possible. I feel like this helped me get used to Thunder and this big board.
Thanks for that mate, I'll have another few rolls before winter kicks in and see how it goes. I think the sheer length of this board (as opposed to the width) is what's doing my head in/ messing with my pop the most. Bombing hills has never been so fun so maybe I'll just focus on that for the meantime.

What size is the board? I have a mental block against longer boards. I can't go over 31.7 (keep in mind that I am 5'8" here!). They just feel too long to my short ass legs. When I'm looking through websites and I see something I like until I check the length. If I see 32-anything I quit. For example, the new Bino Hero AH deck? "Man that is awesome, I'd really like to skate that, oh wait... 33" long? 15" wheelbase? You gotta be like 7'9" for that to make sense". Do keep in mind, I basically rode 7.63 x 31.25 from eh 1998 until I "moved up" to 7.75 a few months ago. (Prior to 98,probably 7.5 from what 94?!). I only decided to "sell out" and ride a wider board because of the recurring rear-foot-kicking-my-board-away-upon-re-entry-of-kickflips (which I mostly attributed to newer style Indys/my rustiness from never getting to skate/ and possibly skinny decks). I'm trying to be a little open minded, now that I'm 40. I feel like I have to try some new stuff to"grow" (a big part of this , is having my son and I know I'm a total jerk in daily life, so I'm trying to force myself to be nicer/better person. I figure it can't hurt to adapt it into my skating too... I've been anti-boards over 7.88 since ...93? 94? but well I'm skating decent with this 8.125 so, I'm trying to just go with it. (I have recurring panic/anxiety about my choice to try new trucks/wide decks on and offall day long at work while I fantasize that I'm skating instead of being at work. I go back and forth about being open minded on my wide deck and Thunders.. whilst pondering the sweet, safe , nostalgia and comfort of some baggy jeans, skinny deck and Venture Lo's, while wearing thick/stiff/bulky tech shoes)
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