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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1500 on: November 16, 2016, 07:30:19 PM »
Are the Indy aftermarket bushings meant to fit on Indy trucks with both washers on? I can barely get mine on and still be able to tighten the nut on the kingpin.

edit: I bought the 90a Indy Conical bushings. The orange ones.

If you're riding Indy Standard Hi's and bought the standard bushings, there shouldn't be an issue getting them on with the washers. Sounds like you might have bought standard bushings and are trying to put them on a low truck.
Do they make 149 in low?
No they don't make a 149 low. Didn't the bushings come with washers? Shouldn't be a problem.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1501 on: November 17, 2016, 01:38:54 AM »
Where would you weld the hanger to the axle? i dont have any experience in welding but sounds like a cool idea. i think under the hanger where you can see the two small slits of the axle would be a ideal place? let us know how this turns out!

 the last three sets of trucks (indy and two sets of thunders)  ive owned have had a very small axle slip - so minimal i cannot notice. the only truck that was unbareable was Ace's i got (defective batch) to a point where i couldn't ride em.

i was thinking about the visible portion of the axle behind the kingpin. hopefully the weld will not restrict access to the nut. I never considered welding at the spot you suggested, it could be a better option as for me two small welds sound better than a single long weld. Still haven't had the time to try but should get it done this weekend, will definitely post pics and review. If this works it could solve many people's problems with truck manufacturers taking the piss by consistently making crap product
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1502 on: November 17, 2016, 06:44:45 AM »
You'd be welding aluminum to steel. I don't think that really works.

I use spacers and I've never had axle slip.  :-*

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1503 on: November 18, 2016, 01:59:57 AM »
You'd be welding aluminum to steel. I don't think that really works.

I use spacers and I've never had axle slip.  :-*

Yeah i used spacers for a a session or two when my thunders' axle slip was out of control but really hated the dead sound my wheels made when set up with spacers.
As for the weld, this is also my (and the welder's) main concern - that the weld is not going to stick at all. He said that if he used a strong enough welding kit then we might have some luck as everything could melt into one thing. I am pretty sure this little project is going to turn into a big mess but am willing to try it just to fulfill my curiosity. Probably going to try it tomorrow on my day off and will definitely post pictures so you can have laugh at my warped trucks.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1504 on: November 18, 2016, 02:37:58 AM »
You'd be welding aluminum to steel. I don't think that really works.

I use spacers and I've never had axle slip.  :-*

Yeah i used spacers for a a session or two when my thunders' axle slip was out of control but really hated the dead sound my wheels made when set up with spacers.
As for the weld, this is also my (and the welder's) main concern - that the weld is not going to stick at all. He said that if he used a strong enough welding kit then we might have some luck as everything could melt into one thing. I am pretty sure this little project is going to turn into a big mess but am willing to try it just to fulfill my curiosity. Probably going to try it tomorrow on my day off and will definitely post pictures so you can have laugh at my warped trucks.

I did something like that in the past with some slipping trucks. You just have to weld some tiny  steel balls to the axle on that little hole near the kingpin (it works also on the holes below that ofter have the axle exposed). That way it stops the axle from moving. Melting steel with aluminium doesnt work i bet.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1505 on: November 18, 2016, 05:23:03 AM »
You'd be welding aluminum to steel. I don't think that really works.

I use spacers and I've never had axle slip.  :-*

Yeah i used spacers for a a session or two when my thunders' axle slip was out of control but really hated the dead sound my wheels made when set up with spacers.
As for the weld, this is also my (and the welder's) main concern - that the weld is not going to stick at all. He said that if he used a strong enough welding kit then we might have some luck as everything could melt into one thing. I am pretty sure this little project is going to turn into a big mess but am willing to try it just to fulfill my curiosity. Probably going to try it tomorrow on my day off and will definitely post pictures so you can have laugh at my warped trucks.

I did something like that in the past with some slipping trucks. You just have to weld some tiny  steel balls to the axle on that little hole near the kingpin (it works also on the holes below that ofter have the axle exposed). That way it stops the axle from moving. Melting steel with aluminium doesnt work i bet.


this is also my thinking but the welder said that if the current used is high enough, then the two materials would sort of melt into one amalgam. sounds crazy and this is why i am sure my trucks are going to warp. never thought of your suggestion, it sounds much more reasonable than going crazy with the welding. can't wait to see if its going to work and i am surely going to try both methods (got plenty of trucks with axle slip and am going to try your technique on some hollows), fingers crossed   ;D
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1506 on: November 18, 2016, 06:53:12 AM »
wobbling kingpin on my back truck, 149 indy wich i put hollow kingpin in...tried to fix it with thin metal shit and superglue, seems fine, i'll see if it really works the next session

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1507 on: November 18, 2016, 11:38:28 AM »
$180 price tag for Theeve TiH trucks. One solid piece, no axle slip, hanger is over 80% titanium. I want to but....fuck. That's more than the price of a complete for just some trucks.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1508 on: November 18, 2016, 12:16:01 PM »
could you prevent axle slip if axles were designed with some sort of groove in them that the metal would fill? or would that weaken the axles or cost too much?

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1509 on: November 18, 2016, 12:47:41 PM »
$180 price tag for Theeve TiH trucks. One solid piece, no axle slip, hanger is over 80% titanium. I want to but....fuck. That's more than the price of a complete for just some trucks.

I with you; due to my ankle still weak, I can't justify picking up a set...almost bit though...

One thing about them tho, if you grind and like your grooves, you'll probably never get one ;)

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« Reply #1510 on: November 18, 2016, 02:46:58 PM »
went from indy titanium 139's to ace 44's to back to the indys then switched to my old set of thunder 147s all within the last month. trucks stress me out, never found that perfect feeling truck. i have a hankering to buy some ventures but im certain ill just put the thunders back on after one session..
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1511 on: November 18, 2016, 11:54:47 PM »
$180 price tag for Theeve TiH trucks. One solid piece, no axle slip, hanger is over 80% titanium. I want to but....fuck. That's more than the price of a complete for just some trucks.

I with you; due to my ankle still weak, I can't justify picking up a set...almost bit though...

One thing about them tho, if you grind and like your grooves, you'll probably never get one ;)

What originally sold me was the concept it would be the last pair of trucks I own.....

They don't grind down really....the knock is they aren't as buttery as most trucks....they grind concrete well but everything else....weird....

Can you guys do me a favour....skate the race reds w. axel nuts cranked tight and tell me if they slip? 

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1512 on: November 19, 2016, 01:17:32 AM »

One thing about them tho, if you grind and like your grooves, you'll probably never get one ;)

This is what realllly turned me off the set i had, ive got the tiniest baby groove and that was after an hour of hucking into a dry curb just to see what would happen, still have the hangers even after breaking the kingpin on one

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1513 on: November 19, 2016, 10:44:11 AM »

One thing about them tho, if you grind and like your grooves, you'll probably never get one ;)

This is what realllly turned me off the set i had, ive got the tiniest baby groove and that was after an hour of hucking into a dry curb just to see what would happen, still have the hangers even after breaking the kingpin on one

What size hangers?

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1514 on: November 19, 2016, 12:21:03 PM »
Trying to learn some shiznit: can anyone explain to me how skate truck geometry really works? I know it involves baseplate/pivot point geometry & kingpin angles, but what level of angle degrees really means what, when it comes to how a truck turns or pops?



According to this: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13rCMIthFb59Y-xrveasWk4GqR9jgd85fXDCIFm3g15I/edit?pref=2&pli=1#gid=0 Most trucks (the big 3 brands at least) fall in between a kingpin angle of 70-75 & a pivot angle of 25-40.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1515 on: November 19, 2016, 02:30:02 PM »
Yeah, I never thought about the TiH's not being able to build grooves. Fuck that, I need my grooves.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1516 on: November 19, 2016, 02:43:57 PM »
ok so do you guys think its a bad idea to buy these destrutco hollow king pins, destructo tells me no, but the price tells me maybe
http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Destructo_Hollowpoint_King_Pin/descpage-DEHPKP.html

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1517 on: November 19, 2016, 07:01:32 PM »

One thing about them tho, if you grind and like your grooves, you'll probably never get one ;)

This is what realllly turned me off the set i had, ive got the tiniest baby groove and that was after an hour of hucking into a dry curb just to see what would happen, still have the hangers even after breaking the kingpin on one

What size hangers?

Whatever their equivalent to 139s are

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1518 on: November 19, 2016, 07:35:08 PM »
ok so do you guys think its a bad idea to buy these destrutco hollow king pins, destructo tells me no, but the price tells me maybe
http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Destructo_Hollowpoint_King_Pin/descpage-DEHPKP.html

Depends on what truck you are going to bash them into...every company uses different spines on the pins, especially hollow vs solid (and that's within brand, e.g., thunder hollow pins won't fit right, and visa versa, in team plates).

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1519 on: November 19, 2016, 09:05:37 PM »
went from indy titanium 139's to ace 44's to back to the indys then switched to my old set of thunder 147s all within the last month. trucks stress me out, never found that perfect feeling truck. i have a hankering to buy some ventures but im certain ill just put the thunders back on after one session..
Maybe try swapping bushings. I've been considering swapping my set to some conical bushings and see what happens.
The stock bushings are hard af!
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1520 on: November 19, 2016, 09:11:21 PM »
ok so do you guys think its a bad idea to buy these destrutco hollow king pins, destructo tells me no, but the price tells me maybe
http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Destructo_Hollowpoint_King_Pin/descpage-DEHPKP.html

Depends on what truck you are going to bash them into...every company uses different spines on the pins, especially hollow vs solid (and that's within brand, e.g., thunder hollow pins won't fit right, and visa versa, in team plates).

Hammering in a kingpin is the worst thing about skateboarding. Fuck all that, I'd rather just buy new trucks.
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« Reply #1521 on: November 19, 2016, 09:31:49 PM »
ok so do you guys think its a bad idea to buy these destrutco hollow king pins, destructo tells me no, but the price tells me maybe
http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Destructo_Hollowpoint_King_Pin/descpage-DEHPKP.html

Depends on what truck you are going to bash them into...every company uses different spines on the pins, especially hollow vs solid (and that's within brand, e.g., thunder hollow pins won't fit right, and visa versa, in team plates).

Hammering in a kingpin is the worst thing about skateboarding. Fuck all that, I'd rather just buy new trucks.

agreed.  or if you're hellbent on keeping your trucks get some Krux downlow kingpins

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1522 on: November 19, 2016, 10:27:28 PM »
ok so do you guys think its a bad idea to buy these destrutco hollow king pins, destructo tells me no, but the price tells me maybe
http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Destructo_Hollowpoint_King_Pin/descpage-DEHPKP.html

Depends on what truck you are going to bash them into...every company uses different spines on the pins, especially hollow vs solid (and that's within brand, e.g., thunder hollow pins won't fit right, and visa versa, in team plates).

Hammering in a kingpin is the worst thing about skateboarding. Fuck all that, I'd rather just buy new trucks.

agreed.  or if you're hellbent on keeping your trucks get some Krux downlow kingpins
yeah, i already ordered the krux kingpins, i just saw those and thought it was interesting for the price, and off topic something i learned through this whole truck thing is that dlx is like the only distro without really having a proper online store

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1523 on: November 20, 2016, 12:07:52 AM »
I inherited some old gullwing inverted king pins and the tricky thing is the nut spins so to loosen my trucks I have to take my trucks off.  I'm at the point where they are about where I want them to be but do the krux ones solve this problem? 

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1524 on: November 20, 2016, 01:55:29 AM »
Thunder 147 hollow or ace 33 ? Both are are the same price. I'm going for a light 8,125 - 8,25 setup

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« Reply #1525 on: November 20, 2016, 03:37:41 AM »
theyre both light but truthfully from my perspective I think thunders are the best all around and longest lasting truck. Aces are fun and turn deeper and feel like a faster turning Indy but thunders give you very quick response with pop and turn they just don't turn super deep like Indy or ace

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1526 on: November 20, 2016, 06:23:38 AM »
Thunder 147 hollow or ace 33 ? Both are are the same price. I'm going for a light 8,125 - 8,25 setup
I'd say go for Thunder 149's tbh, I think they have a sligtly different and better geometry, less wheelbite(used risers on my 147's), if you want then reduce weight go hollow or titanium, just my 2 cents but I think the 149's turn way better and feel much more stable on a 8.25

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« Reply #1527 on: November 20, 2016, 09:25:53 AM »
Thank you for the advice ! I'll probably go with thunder, but not sure which size. I have stage 11 indys, but 8,5 ain't my size. Probably still gonna use them for bowl and to cruise around

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« Reply #1528 on: November 20, 2016, 10:59:30 AM »
Switched over to indy for the last week or so (all park), riptide cups and bones meds, swapping between 149/139 hangers on an 8.25. 149s just felt right, 139s felt/looked too small but were quicker to turn....saw the Boss with his kid at my local, big old 8.5 with 139s...I just can't rock the magic carpet...

If I could ever get Thunders to where I felt 'safe' in a bowl, I'd ride'em exclusively. By safe I mean at speed in a corner and I've hit it at the wrong angle but with ACE (and Indy to a lesser degree), I know I can get out of it, thunders just don't go that deep.

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« Reply #1529 on: November 20, 2016, 03:49:24 PM »
i don't know why people struggle with Thunders on round wall. i've had good luck with 149s and 151s in bowls. risers and broken in stock bushings. looks like thunder are now making some hollow trucks with the team base plates... good call....

in saying all that i'm currently enjoying the shit out of some indy 149s with 88a conical bushings.