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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1590 on: November 23, 2016, 08:39:18 PM »

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1591 on: November 23, 2016, 08:48:04 PM »
LOL
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1592 on: November 23, 2016, 08:48:20 PM »
You're telling me that you crank down your axle nut with no play?

Yes

You're fuckin' up. Enjoy the slow.

 :D

Please explain how that makes the wheels spin slower. You think the inner race spins much on the axle when you're standing on the board? I can loosen the nuts on my trucks and I won't go any faster. I'll just get more rattle, which some people love and I don't really care that much about.

You haven't backed your arguments with any facts so far. Just random veiled insults. Is it because you can't actually back them as they are based on a whole lot of nothing or do you possess some high level knowledge about the physics of ball bearings and movement of objects that are locked down that other people just cannot understand?
Unless you're a physicist or a mechanical engineer, shut the fuck up. I don't have to back up shit. I don't have to justify this shit, skateboarding does it for me. I cranked down the nuts on my 3 year olds board. Guess what, be hardly rolls. If you use spacers, you still might get axle slip. The end. That should be it.

LOL. Great discussion. Great arguments man. Getting mad and retorting to insults? That's what people who run out of arguments do. You know it doesn't make you any more right if you shout louder or act more offensive?

I am an engineer, but not a mechanical engineer. Doesn't matter though. This is basic level physics they teach absolutely everyone, at least here in Finland.

I'm just tired of all this bullshit people keep spewing out regarding skating that has absolutely no basis in reality. Spacers do prevent axle slip and with a proper setup the wheels spin absolutely fine with the nuts tightened down, so that there is no play. I know skating is pretty much 95% mental and if using spacers, having no rattle etc. fucks you up, that's alright, you should do as you please. But people don't go around claiming your non-factual opinions as facts because of that.

Sorry about your kid's board. Maybe you should look into getting him a better setup before he starts getting axle slip and blown out bearings.
I cranked them down so he can't go fast. It worked. You know, applying pressure and friction, basic physics stuff, at least here in the U.S.

Sounds like you have something funky going on in your kid's setup if by tightening the nuts you increase friction inside the bearing while using spacers.� �:o

Maybe your spacers are too short? I've heard of that happening. Never encountered those myself though.

No. It's just the way skateboards have been for at least the last 22 years.

Wrong again. I know spacers kinda died out in skating at some point for some reason and aren't super popular now either. And you can manage just fine without, but there are definitely advantages to using them wether you believe it or not.  :)

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1593 on: November 23, 2016, 08:59:05 PM »
Wrong again. I know spacers kinda died out in skating at some point for some reason and aren't super popular now either. And you can manage just fine without, but there are definitely advantages to using them wether you believe it or not.  :)
because of their weight, we needed the lightest setup to make wizard late flip tricks back in the day, we even skated with 2 bolts per truck at one point...stupid experimentation times shit

ps : spacers were big and heavy back then, light ones were hard to find, in my area at least
« Last Edit: November 23, 2016, 09:07:25 PM by the snake »

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1594 on: November 23, 2016, 09:22:08 PM »
Cheap bearings don't even come with them. I hadn't even seen a spacer until I bought my first set of Swiss a few years ago for my 30th birthday.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1595 on: November 23, 2016, 10:44:20 PM »
You're telling me that you crank down your axle nut with no play?

Yes

You're fuckin' up. Enjoy the slow.

 :D

Please explain how that makes the wheels spin slower. You think the inner race spins much on the axle when you're standing on the board? I can loosen the nuts on my trucks and I won't go any faster. I'll just get more rattle, which some people love and I don't really care that much about.

You haven't backed your arguments with any facts so far. Just random veiled insults. Is it because you can't actually back them as they are based on a whole lot of nothing or do you possess some high level knowledge about the physics of ball bearings and movement of objects that are locked down that other people just cannot understand?
Unless you're a physicist or a mechanical engineer, shut the fuck up. I don't have to back up shit. I don't have to justify this shit, skateboarding does it for me. I cranked down the nuts on my 3 year olds board. Guess what, be hardly rolls. If you use spacers, you still might get axle slip. The end. That should be it.

LOL. Great discussion. Great arguments man. Getting mad and retorting to insults? That's what people who run out of arguments do. You know it doesn't make you any more right if you shout louder or act more offensive?

I am an engineer, but not a mechanical engineer. Doesn't matter though. This is basic level physics they teach absolutely everyone, at least here in Finland.

I'm just tired of all this bullshit people keep spewing out regarding skating that has absolutely no basis in reality. Spacers do prevent axle slip and with a proper setup the wheels spin absolutely fine with the nuts tightened down, so that there is no play. I know skating is pretty much 95% mental and if using spacers, having no rattle etc. fucks you up, that's alright, you should do as you please. But people don't go around claiming your non-factual opinions as facts because of that.

Sorry about your kid's board. Maybe you should look into getting him a better setup before he starts getting axle slip and blown out bearings.
I cranked them down so he can't go fast. It worked. You know, applying pressure and friction, basic physics stuff, at least here in the U.S.

Sounds like you have something funky going on in your kid's setup if by tightening the nuts you increase friction inside the bearing while using spacers.� �:o

Maybe your spacers are too short? I've heard of that happening. Never encountered those myself though.

No. It's just the way skateboards have been for at least the last 22 years.

Wrong again. I know spacers kinda died out in skating at some point for some reason and aren't super popular now either. And you can manage just fine without, but there are definitely advantages to using them wether you believe it or not.  :)

Roisto, what kind of engineering do you do? I am mech eng but work at a flour mill and do not practice the ting. I am with you about spacer use but still will not use them because of the sound/weight issue
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1596 on: November 23, 2016, 11:19:39 PM »
The knock on skating a tight set up is....your board sounds like a toy store board or dead.....your wheels feel softer.....your wheels don't make any noise when you slide.....


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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1597 on: November 24, 2016, 12:15:04 AM »
The knock on skating a tight set up is....your board sounds like a toy store board or dead.....your wheels feel softer.....your wheels don't make any noise when you slide.....



it is THE worst feeling, isn't it? I tried to skate with spacers 2 weeks ago for axle slip reasons using super swiss and even with these high quality bearings my board was not fun to skate. I can only imagine what it would be like if i had used cheapos.
And @The Snake, yeah i have a few sets of old spacers and compared to the ones that come with bones swiss they are night and day regarding the weight. I would say up to 3 times that of a bones spacer. I got super precision scales at work so i can weigh each type if i remember to grab the spacers.

When spacers are used, the wheel can get damaged. The shitty tolerances by which skateboard products are made are the cause for this. Most spacers are slightly longer/shorter than the gap between the bearings (only by a fraction of a mm) and in the cases where the spacer is longer the wheel's bearing sockets can get worn. In the cases where the spacer is too short the wheel just rolls in steps.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1598 on: November 24, 2016, 12:42:20 AM »
You're telling me that you crank down your axle nut with no play?

Yes

You're fuckin' up. Enjoy the slow.

 :D

Please explain how that makes the wheels spin slower. You think the inner race spins much on the axle when you're standing on the board? I can loosen the nuts on my trucks and I won't go any faster. I'll just get more rattle, which some people love and I don't really care that much about.

You haven't backed your arguments with any facts so far. Just random veiled insults. Is it because you can't actually back them as they are based on a whole lot of nothing or do you possess some high level knowledge about the physics of ball bearings and movement of objects that are locked down that other people just cannot understand?
Unless you're a physicist or a mechanical engineer, shut the fuck up. I don't have to back up shit. I don't have to justify this shit, skateboarding does it for me. I cranked down the nuts on my 3 year olds board. Guess what, be hardly rolls. If you use spacers, you still might get axle slip. The end. That should be it.

LOL. Great discussion. Great arguments man. Getting mad and retorting to insults? That's what people who run out of arguments do. You know it doesn't make you any more right if you shout louder or act more offensive?

I am an engineer, but not a mechanical engineer. Doesn't matter though. This is basic level physics they teach absolutely everyone, at least here in Finland.

I'm just tired of all this bullshit people keep spewing out regarding skating that has absolutely no basis in reality. Spacers do prevent axle slip and with a proper setup the wheels spin absolutely fine with the nuts tightened down, so that there is no play. I know skating is pretty much 95% mental and if using spacers, having no rattle etc. fucks you up, that's alright, you should do as you please. But people don't go around claiming your non-factual opinions as facts because of that.

Sorry about your kid's board. Maybe you should look into getting him a better setup before he starts getting axle slip and blown out bearings.
I cranked them down so he can't go fast. It worked. You know, applying pressure and friction, basic physics stuff, at least here in the U.S.

Sounds like you have something funky going on in your kid's setup if by tightening the nuts you increase friction inside the bearing while using spacers.� �:o

Maybe your spacers are too short? I've heard of that happening. Never encountered those myself though.

No. It's just the way skateboards have been for at least the last 22 years.

Wrong again. I know spacers kinda died out in skating at some point for some reason and aren't super popular now either. And you can manage just fine without, but there are definitely advantages to using them wether you believe it or not.  :)

Roisto, what kind of engineering do you do? I am mech eng but work at a flour mill and do not practice the ting. I am with you about spacer use but still will not use them because of the sound/weight issue

I work as a design engineer at the moment. I studied biotechnology, specializing in process engineering. Lately I've been mainly involved in process design, but I've done all sorts of other stuff too. I think that's what's fun with engineering, it gives you so many different options on what kind of work you can do. But, we're getting way off topic here.  :)

As for the sound issue: It's there for sure. I still get the screech when sliding though and once the bearings are more worn in, they start making more noise, but nowhere near as much as without spacers. I'm personally cool with a more silent setup. During the summer I skated my cruiser setup quite a bit with 87A Keyframes. That's quite silent with spacers and tightened down nuts, but the rough streets here in Finland do rattle things about enough that it's not exactly silent either. I have Ace 44s there, which I bought from Main. They had loose kingpins and made a really dead "klonk" sound when ollieing and made the whole setup sound more dead otherwise too. I epoxied the kingpins down and after that I've been loving it. Ace bottom bushing and Bones medium on top. Really nice surfy turn, but still stable enough.

Haven't noticed wheels feeling softer with a tightened down setup though.  :o

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1599 on: November 24, 2016, 12:53:51 AM »
yep, old spacers were heavy, that's why i didn't ride them for almost 2 decades...until i got bones swiss for cheap few years ago
we should make a spacer thread now ;D
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1600 on: November 24, 2016, 01:27:26 AM »
haha, lets take slap a step further into ocd
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1601 on: November 24, 2016, 01:30:07 AM »
i like spacers just because i can crank the nut down like grom times and still roll smooth
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1602 on: November 24, 2016, 02:21:55 AM »
Guys, a set of spacers weighs less than a fart...  :-*

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1603 on: November 24, 2016, 03:48:11 AM »
Especially if it's a wet fart, since slap has some problems with that 

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1604 on: November 24, 2016, 04:38:39 AM »
Especially if it's a wet fart, since slap has some problems with that 

 :D

Ha. Nail on the head! Maybe that's why I don't mind the extra few grams.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1605 on: November 24, 2016, 06:20:10 AM »
Especially if it's a wet fart, since slap has some problems with that 

 :D

Ha. Nail on the head! Maybe that's why I don't mind the extra few grams.
Please tell me you are done arguing about spacers??hands down the most annoying posts I have seen on slap this year

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1606 on: November 24, 2016, 07:29:28 AM »
Especially if it's a wet fart, since slap has some problems with that 

 :D

Ha. Nail on the head! Maybe that's why I don't mind the extra few grams.
Please tell me you are done arguing about spacers??hands down the most annoying posts I have seen on slap this year

Yeah. Sorry y'all had to read it. I should know better by now than to start arguing on the internet. :) I'm just so fed up with all the non-factual bullshit stated as fact in skating.  :-\

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1607 on: November 24, 2016, 07:44:17 AM »
Especially if it's a wet fart, since slap has some problems with that 

 :D

Ha. Nail on the head! Maybe that's why I don't mind the extra few grams.
Please tell me you are done arguing about spacers??hands down the most annoying posts I have seen on slap this year

Yeah. Sorry y'all had to read it. I should know better by now than to start arguing on the internet. :) I'm just so fed up with all the non-factual bullshit stated as fact in skating.  :-\
I've never had spacers, but this sentence i so fucking true. Team legitness, marketing and art direction are the only things that really matter in skateboarding. Most deck brands are from the same 6-7 factories, same for wheels, and event worse for trucks.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1608 on: November 24, 2016, 03:06:18 PM »
Does anybody have any suggestions how to keep my kingpin nut from falling off??

So not sure if anybody has this issue... i don't know if Indy is making shorter kingpins or what, and I don't ride my trucks particularly loose, but the nut on both my axle's are about a quarter turn from falling off.  In fact, today it just came off on my front truck when I was skating.  I ollied off a hip and watching the truck just fly away in mid-air.  Is there some sort of glue I can use or something?

I've heard about using a razorblade to make the bushings a tad smaller... i'm afraid to do that cause I don't want to fuck up the turning radius at all. 

Are the aftermarket bushing a little bigger than the stock ones? 

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1609 on: November 24, 2016, 03:25:36 PM »
You can try removing your bottom washers, if you want them loose but the nut to stay on, works for me, but it does seem make things harder on the pivot cups

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1610 on: November 24, 2016, 04:29:15 PM »
And I'm considered a retarded. You cunts take the fucking cake.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1611 on: November 24, 2016, 07:48:55 PM »
And I'm considered a retarded. You cunts take the fucking cake.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1612 on: November 24, 2016, 08:32:40 PM »
I dunno. I understand that bearings in every other situation are tightened down.. But skating isn't real life. Aren't we supposed to be wearing helmets?

No spacers, rings, tiny wiggle = correct

Tightened with spacers = wrong, but if you like it who cares

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1613 on: November 24, 2016, 10:46:22 PM »
If you need me.....ill be loosening my mounting hardware......

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1614 on: November 24, 2016, 11:43:10 PM »
ok so im gonna buy some trucks for my 9" set up, which one do you guys think is better,
independent forged hollows, or Theeve TiAX v3 ?
i skated the indys before and thought they were alright but i never skated any theeves so they look kinda interesting

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1615 on: November 25, 2016, 01:03:52 AM »
Try the theeves and let us know how they work dawg, I'll gnar you.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1616 on: November 25, 2016, 01:47:17 AM »
Try the theeves and let us know how they work dawg, I'll gnar you.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1617 on: November 25, 2016, 08:57:04 AM »
ok so im gonna buy some trucks for my 9" set up, which one do you guys think is better,
independent forged hollows, or Theeve TiAX v3 ?
i skated the indys before and thought they were alright but i never skated any theeves so they look kinda interesting
get Ace 55s

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1618 on: November 27, 2016, 04:27:00 AM »
Okay super obvious question and answer but for cylinder bushings the sharp edge side with the rebound circles on the surface touch the hangar yoke and the rounded edge with glossy surface touches the bottom washer right ?

I only ask cause back when I got a set of indy's the rounded edge side of the bushing was against the hangar but in other trucks like krux it wasn't but I wasn't sure which side of the bushing is set right

It's obviously sharp edge side with the circles on the surface to hangar cause that's how all bushings are setup right

When the rounded edge was against the hangar the trucks turned deeper but kinda slouched

When the sharp straight edge was on the hangar the trucks didn't turn as easy or deep but return to center real easy
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1619 on: November 27, 2016, 08:13:26 AM »
For barrel/cylinder bushings I've always put the sharp edge against the hanger. Indy aftermarket bushings have tiny rings on the sharper surface that look like tread and in my mind it makes sense for the hander to grip there when pushing the bushing down during a turn. There's no wrong way to set up your trucks though, do whatever feels best!