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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1950 on: January 26, 2017, 04:34:23 PM »
you guys are crazy mixing baseplates n' shit
thanks to whoever (rob I think) told me just to skate stock thunders so I don't have to deal with all this bullshit

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1951 on: January 26, 2017, 05:01:23 PM »
you guys are crazy mixing baseplates n' shit
thanks to whoever (rob I think) told me just to skate stock thunders so I don't have to deal with all this bullshit

Stock thunders really are great. I just wish they'd address the axle slip issue, and produce the 147 lows again.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1952 on: January 26, 2017, 10:36:36 PM »
you guys are crazy mixing baseplates n' shit
thanks to whoever (rob I think) told me just to skate stock thunders so I don't have to deal with all this bullshit

thanks man  ;) :D ;D

yeah stock thunders are boss, theyre just the right formula for street and most other kinds of skating, they turn but just enough that you dont lose control and still get really good rebound and pop response with return to center.

truthfully too the yellows are fine, if you want a smoother feeling turn i think the white ones are better but overall the yellow translucent are still really good. i kinda prefer the yellows just cause they feel like they rebound better even though the white is softer feeling.

back during the indy stage 10 days too i noticed i could only(yes it sounds kooky but true) get my tre flips and tricks clean when i threw some thunder bushings in the indys, maybe the stock stage 10 bushings were trash but honestly i back the thunder 90a bushings being the best(yes better than aftermarket indys that everyone loves)

and i only rode the stage 10ś cause i saw alot of indy ads and noticed so many cool pros backing them so i gave it a whirl but nothing gave me my highlight tricks of my life like thunder 147 hi

one of the best tricks ive ever did/felt /ollie up kickflip down i did off a curb was on a deluxe setup(real, thunder, spitfire) but i say it was the thunders that did it for me cause trucks are the soul of your board like they said in the vans truck wars video, theyre your personality, everyones truck set up is like roisto said. to each their own. thats why im so kooky about trucks.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1953 on: January 29, 2017, 01:10:09 AM »
Anyone know if standard indy kingpins will fit aces?

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1954 on: January 29, 2017, 01:53:20 AM »
Anyone know if standard indy kingpins will fit aces?


The grooves are different, so most likely not without considerable violence. I was planning on replacing my wobbly Ace kingpins with Indy kingpins. As Ace kingpins are really hard to come by in Europe, I figured a kingpin is a kingpin and an Indy kingpin would fit just fine. The kingpins looked so different that I decided to just hammer the old ones back in after covering the insides of the hole with a bunch epoxy. I did this last summer to two pairs of Aces. Skated the other pair in my cruiser and so far it's been working out nicely.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1955 on: January 29, 2017, 07:05:06 AM »
The grooves are different, so most likely not without considerable violence. I was planning on replacing my wobbly Ace kingpins with Indy kingpins. As Ace kingpins are really hard to come by in Europe, I figured a kingpin is a kingpin and an Indy kingpin would fit just fine. The kingpins looked so different that I decided to just hammer the old ones back in after covering the insides of the hole with a bunch epoxy. I did this last summer to two pairs of Aces. Skated the other pair in my cruiser and so far it's been working out nicely.
I'm gonna try that shit. I assume the wobbly pins are pretty easy to hammer out right?
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1956 on: January 29, 2017, 07:27:27 AM »
The grooves are different, so most likely not without considerable violence. I was planning on replacing my wobbly Ace kingpins with Indy kingpins. As Ace kingpins are really hard to come by in Europe, I figured a kingpin is a kingpin and an Indy kingpin would fit just fine. The kingpins looked so different that I decided to just hammer the old ones back in after covering the insides of the hole with a bunch epoxy. I did this last summer to two pairs of Aces. Skated the other pair in my cruiser and so far it's been working out nicely.
I'm gonna try that shit. I assume the wobbly pins are pretty easy to hammer out right?

Yeah. Just remember to keep the nut on the kingpin, so you don't fuck up the threads. When hammering the kingpin back in, I used a bolt about the same diameter as the base of the kingpin to get the kingpin properly hammered in. Also keep in mind that you're going to need something that'll support the baseplate but lets the kingpin through while doing all the hammering. I used one of these things:

Not sure what they're called in english. And when hammering the kingpin back on, be sure to support it on the base of the kingpin and not on the sides of the baseplates, so your baseplates won't crack or bend. All in all a pretty straightforward job. Just gotta keep a few things in mind.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1957 on: January 29, 2017, 07:30:40 AM »
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1958 on: January 29, 2017, 07:47:11 AM »
So now that we're mixing trucks, when should we open the can of worms that is...

mixing the top/bottom bushing durometers?

i've seen some guys run a bones soft/med combo. not sure if it was on here but it's already happening out there somewhere

currently running bones hard top/med bottom



had been running med hard indy aftermarkets...weren't turning right; maybe because of cold weather. this feels pretty good so far; might try straight up hards or med. indy aftermarkets.

Is there any difference between stock Stage 11 bushings and med. (orange) aftermarkets?

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1959 on: January 29, 2017, 08:27:02 AM »
Just when I thought I had my truck stuff under control, I stole the Ace 44's off my wife's board and put them on an 8.38 Polar and fell in love with them all over again.

It took me about 30 minutes to get past the mental block that they're heavy as hell and then I had my best session of 2017

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1960 on: January 29, 2017, 10:28:31 AM »
Are they really that heavy?

It seems like the hanger is so trimmed down that weight really wouldn't be an issue.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1961 on: January 29, 2017, 12:35:38 PM »
Are they really that heavy?

It seems like the hanger is so trimmed down that weight really wouldn't be an issue.

They feel the same as standard Indy 149's (they're technically a little heavier IIRC) to me. So if you're used to those I doubt you'd have any problems.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1962 on: January 29, 2017, 12:46:24 PM »
It's weird if it is actual fact that Ace's are heavier than Indy. One of the reason I never felt I could ride Indy's was the weight, and overall sluggish feel I get from them.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1963 on: January 29, 2017, 12:51:10 PM »
Are they really that heavy?

It seems like the hanger is so trimmed down that weight really wouldn't be an issue.

They feel the same as standard Indy 149's (they're technically a little heavier IIRC) to me. So if you're used to those I doubt you'd have any problems.

What the fuck, are you guys talking about the ace 44's? I don't know the weight in grams, but I think the Aces feel really light but sturdy.. And easier to "throw around" than most other lights style trucks even. Maybe it's the shaven hanger playing mindtricks but I think they're perfect weight.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1964 on: January 29, 2017, 01:04:03 PM »
Are they really that heavy?

It seems like the hanger is so trimmed down that weight really wouldn't be an issue.

They feel the same as standard Indy 149's (they're technically a little heavier IIRC) to me. So if you're used to those I doubt you'd have any problems.


What the fuck, are you guys talking about the ace 44's? I don't know the weight in grams, but I think the Aces feel really light but sturdy.. And easier to "throw around" than most other lights style trucks even. Maybe it's the shaven hanger playing mindtricks but I think they're perfect weight.


Indy 149 Standards are 394g.  Ace 44 which are technically a smaller truck are 392g.  They're the heaviest truck for their size.

Coming from Skating Indy Ti 149 (338g) and Thunder Ti 149 (311g) you do notice the weight difference

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1965 on: January 30, 2017, 12:21:32 AM »
The grooves are different, so most likely not without considerable violence. I was planning on replacing my wobbly Ace kingpins with Indy kingpins. As Ace kingpins are really hard to come by in Europe, I figured a kingpin is a kingpin and an Indy kingpin would fit just fine. The kingpins looked so different that I decided to just hammer the old ones back in after covering the insides of the hole with a bunch epoxy. I did this last summer to two pairs of Aces. Skated the other pair in my cruiser and so far it's been working out nicely.
I'm gonna try that shit. I assume the wobbly pins are pretty easy to hammer out right?

Yeah. Just remember to keep the nut on the kingpin, so you don't fuck up the threads. When hammering the kingpin back in, I used a bolt about the same diameter as the base of the kingpin to get the kingpin properly hammered in. Also keep in mind that you're going to need something that'll support the baseplate but lets the kingpin through while doing all the hammering. I used one of these things:

Not sure what they're called in english. And when hammering the kingpin back on, be sure to support it on the base of the kingpin and not on the sides of the baseplates, so your baseplates won't crack or bend. All in all a pretty straightforward job. Just gotta keep a few things in mind.
A Finnish manhole cover is perfect for hammering indy kingpins in/out, holes are just perfect size, not sure about other trucks....
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« Reply #1966 on: January 30, 2017, 09:09:55 AM »
This thread is now crazy.

Here's the truth about finding the perfect set of trucks:

Purchase a set of trucks you're ok with and Ride them.
Ride them, grind them, ride them.
They get better with age.
They are at their optimum and lightest just before they die.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1967 on: January 30, 2017, 09:32:41 AM »
This thread is now crazy.

Here's the truth about finding the perfect set of trucks:

Purchase a set of trucks you're ok with and Ride them.
Ride them, grind them, ride them.
They get better with age.
They are at their optimum and lightest just before they die.

This is 100% correct.  One more suggestion - if you want to be happy with your trucks, stay the hell out of this thread

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1968 on: January 30, 2017, 12:06:39 PM »
ACEs are heavy, no doubt ;)

Riding some TIh 8.18" on an 8.38 (has a nice taper so all good) and some broken in bones meds (bot) soft (tops).

As easy to carve as ace but nice and light and snappier to center for better stability. no problems grinding anything yet.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1969 on: January 30, 2017, 12:49:17 PM »
anyone have any updates on the indy 144s?

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1970 on: January 30, 2017, 04:19:28 PM »
Yeah. Just remember to keep the nut on the kingpin, so you don't fuck up the threads. When hammering the kingpin back in, I used a bolt about the same diameter as the base of the kingpin to get the kingpin properly hammered in. Also keep in mind that you're going to need something that'll support the baseplate but lets the kingpin through while doing all the hammering. I used one of these things:

Not sure what they're called in english. And when hammering the kingpin back on, be sure to support it on the base of the kingpin and not on the sides of the baseplates, so your baseplates won't crack or bend. All in all a pretty straightforward job. Just gotta keep a few things in mind.
Thanks for the info man. I went ahead and hammered the pins out today. They came out way easier than expected. Now I'm thinking about krux kingpins. the splines are the same right? Also what's the best shit to use when reinstalling the kingpin? jb weld? gorilla glue? epoxy?
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« Reply #1971 on: January 30, 2017, 06:57:48 PM »
Yeah. Just remember to keep the nut on the kingpin, so you don't fuck up the threads. When hammering the kingpin back in, I used a bolt about the same diameter as the base of the kingpin to get the kingpin properly hammered in. Also keep in mind that you're going to need something that'll support the baseplate but lets the kingpin through while doing all the hammering. I used one of these things:

Not sure what they're called in english. And when hammering the kingpin back on, be sure to support it on the base of the kingpin and not on the sides of the baseplates, so your baseplates won't crack or bend. All in all a pretty straightforward job. Just gotta keep a few things in mind.
Thanks for the info man. I went ahead and hammered the pins out today. They came out way easier than expected. Now I'm thinking about krux kingpins. the splines are the same right? Also what's the best shit to use when reinstalling the kingpin? jb weld? gorilla glue? epoxy?

Krux pins don't have any splines, so you are are all good. I use the JB weld Steel stick or whatever, cut off a bit, roll it around, squish it in there. boom.

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« Reply #1972 on: January 30, 2017, 11:36:08 PM »
Yeah. Just remember to keep the nut on the kingpin, so you don't fuck up the threads. When hammering the kingpin back in, I used a bolt about the same diameter as the base of the kingpin to get the kingpin properly hammered in. Also keep in mind that you're going to need something that'll support the baseplate but lets the kingpin through while doing all the hammering. I used one of these things:

Not sure what they're called in english. And when hammering the kingpin back on, be sure to support it on the base of the kingpin and not on the sides of the baseplates, so your baseplates won't crack or bend. All in all a pretty straightforward job. Just gotta keep a few things in mind.
Thanks for the info man. I went ahead and hammered the pins out today. They came out way easier than expected. Now I'm thinking about krux kingpins. the splines are the same right? Also what's the best shit to use when reinstalling the kingpin? jb weld? gorilla glue? epoxy?

No problem. About the epoxy, I dunno. We don't have JB Weld widely available here in Finland. I just used some "steel epoxy" from this cheap ass hardware store.
http://www.biltema.fi/fi/Rakentaminen/Kemikaalit/Epoksiliima/Teras-Epoksi-2000035421/

It's more runny than those sticks you rub that Xen suggested for sure. I think it's easier to spread around there. Dunno if it makes any difference in the end though as long as you get it all good in there.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1973 on: February 01, 2017, 01:15:22 PM »
One thing about the krux pins I've not seen mentioned is that you can only really go a bit past flush when you tighten them lest you start digging into the bottom of the deck; keep that in mind if you ride tight and like to crank the nut down vs riding harder duro bushings.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1974 on: February 01, 2017, 03:42:52 PM »
Threw my Thunder 149 Ti's on a cast baseplate with a krux downlow kingpin today. Can't wait to work on smiths & feebles tomorrow! I was using lucky risers with the forged ones to make up for the lower height, but I'm gonna try them with the taller cast plates for now to see if it helps with wheel bite



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« Reply #1975 on: February 02, 2017, 12:26:52 PM »
Threw my Thunder 149 Ti's on a cast baseplate with a krux downlow kingpin today. Can't wait to work on smiths & feebles tomorrow! I was using lucky risers with the forged ones to make up for the lower height, but I'm gonna try them with the taller cast plates for now to see if it helps with wheel bite



Damn, that looks like a sick combo sk8dood. Let us know how you make out with your smiths and feebles.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1976 on: February 02, 2017, 04:24:38 PM »
you liking them lucky's?

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« Reply #1977 on: February 03, 2017, 02:00:02 PM »
Threw my Thunder 149 Ti's on a cast baseplate with a krux downlow kingpin today. Can't wait to work on smiths & feebles tomorrow! I was using lucky risers with the forged ones to make up for the lower height, but I'm gonna try them with the taller cast plates for now to see if it helps with wheel bite



Damn, that looks like a sick combo sk8dood. Let us know how you make out with your smiths and feebles.

Really digging the downlow kingpins so far! They're a lot more forgiving on smith/feebles if you dip them down too far where standard kingpins would immediately snag.

you liking them lucky's?
Yeah they were a perfect match with the forged Baseplates but they make the trucks a just a little too tall with the cast ones. Gonna set them up on my girls cruiser tho (she actually uses it)

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1978 on: February 03, 2017, 03:10:12 PM »
hey i know this is unrelated but for anyone interested i found out why royals are good and bad, the pros and cons to my second favorite trucks or third. in the top 3 forsure though

so i was feeling wild and put together a project setup where i just throw whatever im curious about to why i threw them to the side kind of setup and put my royals on a classic deluxe with my bones stf and heres the results

Royal trucks standards

Pros:
-good decent turns, wide and somewhat carvy. a little faster than indys.
-fast on the pop like carroll wanted them to be designed so theyre almost as responsive as thunders
-grinds smooth
-light
-good height, im very sure the same height as thunder 147 hi
-shortens wheelbase(for people like me, carroll and guy who want a faster pop and flip)

Cons:
-must replace pivot cups, they start acting up and make the truck looser than they really are when the session gets going
-kingpin clearance is barely there so if your interested in a set of royal standards i suggest the new inverted kingpin ones
-for some reason the axle to hangar length ratio is off, so even if you use the usual axle washers on each side of the bearings for the wheels theres gonna be about 2-3 threads exposed when tightening the axle nut for minimal wheel wiggle. so primos=definite mashed axles

so theres an updated feedback from me on the royal standards(not the fours or any older model, the now square baseplate ones)

also went on to test my mini logo trucks again and all i gotta say is they are good decent trucks for pp trucks, but i would suggest if you ride 8 and up decks the 8.38 size ones are best cause the 8 ones dont have as good turning response and radius(yes i know that could be because of how wide they are obviously but just fyi)

they turn decent, respond very well, are light, and grind good. its just...theyre mini logo trucks haha so everyones gonna pick on you but hey for someone who wants a truck for 8.25-8.5 decks with good response and lower more in control feel (lower center of gravity feel pop and good flip trick control) mini logo trucks arent a bad choice. cause i mean how many 8.25 and up size  LOW trucks are there that are

feeling my theeves again and thinking of being a kook to ride them over my #1 truck choice thunders...cause i skate to work and everywhere alot and thunders are awesome...but i kinda want something more zig zagger feeling like indy but lower...

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #1979 on: February 04, 2017, 04:52:24 AM »
ACEs are heavy, no doubt ;)

Riding some TIh 8.18" on an 8.38 (has a nice taper so all good) and some broken in bones meds (bot) soft (tops).

As easy to carve as ace but nice and light and snappier to center for better stability. no problems grinding anything yet.
i want a set of tih's so badly for over $150 I just can't do it.

Same here, they would be awesome trucks, so light and responsive. And the way theeves turn what a combo

Too bad they're $150 like you said, that's a bit much but seems like a good investment if you really dig theeves
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