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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #2760 on: October 24, 2017, 06:31:02 PM »
what are the options for replacing thunder pivot cups?

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i think khrio do some as well

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« Reply #2761 on: October 24, 2017, 08:06:01 PM »
Khiro don't sit well in the thunder plates, they stick up a bit and push the hanger foreward (as you can't get the pivot deep enough due to how thick thick they are.

Just throw in some whatever black cups you can find

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« Reply #2762 on: October 24, 2017, 11:41:58 PM »
Whatís the consensus on flip tricks and the width of your trucks?

I wanna be more into my flip tricks but I love stability and I think 144/149 tricks do break even but idk...less area to flip=faster flip tricks=more predictable to catch and land??
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« Reply #2763 on: October 25, 2017, 06:31:56 AM »
Whatís the consensus on flip tricks and the width of your trucks?

I wanna be more into my flip tricks but I love stability and I think 144/149 tricks do break even but idk...less area to flip=faster flip tricks=more predictable to catch and land??

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« Reply #2764 on: October 25, 2017, 06:48:57 AM »
depends how much pressure you apply, where you flick, center of gravity, size shoe, board size, wheel size for the rotational weight, and so much more.

I personally like a nice floaty flip, so 149s with an 8.38-8.5 and 53mm wheels is preferred

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« Reply #2765 on: October 25, 2017, 10:28:41 AM »
Whatís the consensus on flip tricks and the width of your trucks?

I wanna be more into my flip tricks but I love stability and I think 144/149 tricks do break even but idk...less area to flip=faster flip tricks=more predictable to catch and land??

It doesn't matter - it's personal preference.

I'm sure you've seen treflips performed on 129/147 all the way through 169s (R.Hawk and more)

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« Reply #2766 on: October 25, 2017, 12:32:58 PM »
Whatís the consensus on flip tricks and the width of your trucks?

I wanna be more into my flip tricks but I love stability and I think 144/149 tricks do break even but idk...less area to flip=faster flip tricks=more predictable to catch and land??

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Haha itís cause I flop between my 149 and 139/147 every now and then and I do notice obviously the 8Ē trucks flip easier faster and somewhat more predictable but the stability is somewhat way off and idk if I can deal with that

Whatís the consensus on flip tricks and the width of your trucks?

I wanna be more into my flip tricks but I love stability and I think 144/149 tricks do break even but idk...less area to flip=faster flip tricks=more predictable to catch and land??

It doesn't matter - it's personal preference.

I'm sure you've seen treflips performed on 129/147 all the way through 169s (R.Hawk and more)

Thanks I needed that realization I was going mad again, been gettin less kook only flopping between the top 2(Indy and thunders)

Also damn those Indy after market comical work best!! I threw the 88a like N.L. Mentioned and oh my Gonz they felt way better than the after market cylinders or stock, had to go tighter though to upgraded to the 94a no bottom washer and so far very good. If you get Indy after market bushings for your Indyís I highly suggest the conicals no buts
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #2767 on: October 25, 2017, 08:11:26 PM »
Whatís the consensus on flip tricks and the width of your trucks?

I wanna be more into my flip tricks but I love stability and I think 144/149 tricks do break even but idk...less area to flip=faster flip tricks=more predictable to catch and land??

Dear god Rob.....

Haha itís cause I flop between my 149 and 139/147 every now and then and I do notice obviously the 8Ē trucks flip easier faster and somewhat more predictable but the stability is somewhat way off and idk if I can deal with that

Whatís the consensus on flip tricks and the width of your trucks?

I wanna be more into my flip tricks but I love stability and I think 144/149 tricks do break even but idk...less area to flip=faster flip tricks=more predictable to catch and land??

It doesn't matter - it's personal preference.

I'm sure you've seen treflips performed on 129/147 all the way through 169s (R.Hawk and more)

Thanks I needed that realization I was going mad again, been gettin less kook only flopping between the top 2(Indy and thunders)

Also damn those Indy after market comical work best!! I threw the 88a like N.L. Mentioned and oh my Gonz they felt way better than the after market cylinders or stock, had to go tighter though to upgraded to the 94a no bottom washer and so far very good. If you get Indy after market bushings for your Indyís I highly suggest the conicals no buts

Also, this is why I only ride 144/148s now.

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« Reply #2768 on: October 26, 2017, 04:52:28 AM »
Iím curious to try those new team titaniumís by Thunder, since they use a cast baseplate to keep it at the 52.3mm height. However, I have a feeling Iíll be really disappointed with the turn/wheelbite. If it doesnít turn like Ace I wonít last a minute.

Currently running Ace 44ís with stock bottom bushings and Indy hard top bushings, along with riptide pivot cups and itís the most dialed-in Iíve ever had these trucks. The turn is unbelievable.

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« Reply #2769 on: October 26, 2017, 07:13:40 AM »
The geometry of the two trucks is so different.....no way they will turn the same....

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« Reply #2770 on: October 26, 2017, 10:15:13 AM »
The geometry of the two trucks is so different.....no way they will turn the same....

So true but you can only try and kook around until you get 99% close enough but never 100 haha
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« Reply #2771 on: October 26, 2017, 04:18:25 PM »
I was a grindking guy when I rode 7.5's in the mid 90's then rode indys ever since in varying widths. Ride Indy 139 low hangers on forged baseplates with green conical Indy 90a bottom (no washer) and white 88a top bushings, I also use grindking kingpins. I tighten them until I can barely make it wheel bite by hand. I'm 145lbs. Monday I set up a pair of ace 03's with magnesium baseplates, my same Indy bushing combo w no bottom washer, and Jerry rigged some grindking kingpins in. They turn great and they grind great, and are lighter than any truck in the shop excluding the Mullen uberlights. They're even lighter then any of my old grindkings. I feel like a traitor but so far I like em. I'm trying to destroy them so we'll see how they fair
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« Reply #2772 on: October 26, 2017, 06:10:21 PM »
The geometry of the two trucks is so different.....no way they will turn the same....

So true but you can only try and kook around until you get 99% close enough but never 100 haha

I wouldn't even go 99% unless you are talking indy / ace and thunders are their own beast. I'm back on Theeve tiKings after riding the TiH for a minute (finally found a bushing combo that works to get them loose enough), it's a nice balance between indy and thunder for me....turns well but still stable.

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« Reply #2773 on: October 26, 2017, 07:14:06 PM »
To me comparing an ace to a thunder is like comparing an Indy to a venture....just different trucks....

Thunder=bigger wheelbase, turn fast but bottom out
Ace=smaller wheelbase, stable but then turn deeply.....if you ride them super loose they are just plain wild.....,

Theeves almost no longer exist.....

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« Reply #2774 on: October 26, 2017, 08:02:18 PM »
To me comparing an ace to a thunder is like comparing an Indy to a venture....just different trucks....

Thunder=bigger wheelbase, turn fast but bottom out
Ace=smaller wheelbase, stable but then turn deeply.....if you ride them super loose they are just plain wild.....,

Theeves almost no longer exist.....


My local core shops carry them (Rip City is as core as you can get) and so do most major online shops with inventory that's current...seem like they still exist to me. Hell, if Silver, destructo and royal are still around, don't see why theeve wouldn't keep going, they have been for 10 years.

Can buy aces around here anymore tho, no one trusts the build quality even tho all the bowl guys around here do.
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« Reply #2775 on: October 26, 2017, 08:06:07 PM »
Idk if itís jist my change in skating where I cruise the streets more and donít have time to practice back and forth on flat like I use to but I freaking love Indy standards now, been riding my 149 for the last 2 weeks and love them but I donít know if itís previously stated or cause of my deck...

Riding a nice broken in girl Howard 8.25 with a 14Ē wb and had thunders on it both 147&148 but didnít really dig the pushed out wb feel switched to the Indys and damn my board feels like the way my old 7.8 with krux back in the days setup feels, just comfortable and broken in with little effort to adjust and do what I want

Tried the Theeves like you guys but idk, they felt too centered and pushed in for me, maybe cause Iíve only tried bones bushings and the Theeve copycats in them. Love the Indyís so much with their turn control and small lag in response making it more predictable how your gonna pop

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« Reply #2776 on: October 26, 2017, 08:12:56 PM »
Just have to remember that theeve prototypes were using ACE plates, that should tell you something about where they borrowed their geo (and why they feel a bit more stable -to me- than indys but still less turny than ACE, good middle ground; using bones med bottoms and bones soft tops as the new theeve bones-like bushing are labeled as Hard.
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« Reply #2777 on: October 26, 2017, 08:16:48 PM »
Just have to remember that theeve prototypes were using ACE plates, that should tell you something about where they borrowed their geo (and why they feel a bit more stable -to me- than indys but still less turny than ACE, good middle ground; using bones med bottoms and bones soft tops

Thatís what this little deja vu feeling was when I was trying the theeves! I was like this turn seems a little familiar but whatever and sadly sold my ace 44ís that I miss now after Iíve witnessed the greatness of Indy after market conicals :(

They probably would of been too unstable anyways...
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« Reply #2778 on: October 26, 2017, 08:36:48 PM »
Theeves still have that ability to really hook back like an ACE.....

Indys are just a more steady turning truck which is hard to fuck with....

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« Reply #2779 on: October 26, 2017, 09:23:40 PM »
How high are Theeves compared to an Indy? Thinking of giving the 9" model a go.

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« Reply #2780 on: October 26, 2017, 09:49:26 PM »
How high are Theeves compared to an Indy? Thinking of giving the 9" model a go.

The claim 55mm tall (just like standard indys) they are a hair taller than my thunders with cast plates and damn near the same height as my ACEs, I'd wager closer to 54 than 55 is that means anything to you

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« Reply #2781 on: October 26, 2017, 09:53:57 PM »
How high are Theeves compared to an Indy? Thinking of giving the 9" model a go.

The claim 55mm tall (just like standard indys) they are a hair taller than my thunders with cast plates and damn near the same height as my ACEs, I'd wager closer to 54 than 55 is that means anything to you

Believe it or not, it does. Thanks for the help, you're the man Xen!

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« Reply #2782 on: October 27, 2017, 02:48:12 PM »
Hey does anyone know if after market, if they are considered that, krux bushings are different from the stock? Or is it just the stock krux pivot cups and bushing set sold separately basically ?
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« Reply #2783 on: October 27, 2017, 03:16:38 PM »
To me comparing an ace to a thunder is like comparing an Indy to a venture....just different trucks....

Thunder=bigger wheelbase, turn fast but bottom out
Ace=smaller wheelbase, stable but then turn deeply.....if you ride them super loose they are just plain wild.....,

Theeves almost no longer exist.....


My local core shops carry them (Rip City is as core as you can get) and so do most major online shops with inventory that's current...seem like they still exist to me. Hell, if Silver, destructo and royal are still around, don't see why theeve wouldn't keep going, they have been for 10 years.

Can buy aces around here anymore tho, no one trusts the build quality even tho all the bowl guys around here do.

They just hit their 10 year anniversary not too long ago but when Jordan Hoffart & Bastien Salabanzi (Iím a big fan of both) are your most marketable Proís, itís hard not to look like you donít exist in the truck market lol. Youíd never guess that they had Tony & Riley Hawk on the team at one point

We need the power of SLAP & the truck thread to make them cool again. You know Krux mustíve seen a boost in their kingpin sales since the making of this thread. I love my Theeves man they cured my truck madness we canít let them lie in irrelevance like this

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« Reply #2784 on: October 27, 2017, 04:42:42 PM »
To me comparing an ace to a thunder is like comparing an Indy to a venture....just different trucks....

Thunder=bigger wheelbase, turn fast but bottom out
Ace=smaller wheelbase, stable but then turn deeply.....if you ride them super loose they are just plain wild.....,

Theeves almost no longer exist.....


My local core shops carry them (Rip City is as core as you can get) and so do most major online shops with inventory that's current...seem like they still exist to me. Hell, if Silver, destructo and royal are still around, don't see why theeve wouldn't keep going, they have been for 10 years.

Can buy aces around here anymore tho, no one trusts the build quality even tho all the bowl guys around here do.

They just hit their 10 year anniversary not too long ago but when Jordan Hoffart & Bastien Salabanzi (Iím a big fan of both) are your most marketable Proís, itís hard not to look like you donít exist in the truck market lol. Youíd never guess that they had Tony & Riley Hawk on the team at one point

We need the power of SLAP & the truck thread to make them cool again. You know Krux mustíve seen a boost in their kingpin sales since the making of this thread. I love my Theeves man they cured my truck madness we canít let them lie in irrelevance like this

Don't forget Raybourn when he was on Slave/Theeve, then got swooped up by birdhouseindybones (tho he's on ojs now, like a boss).

The bones bushing blowout nonsese damaged their rep, much like ACEs and the build quality.


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« Reply #2785 on: October 27, 2017, 09:22:17 PM »
Itís definitely frustrating, regarding the build quality of Aceís. I gotta stand there and inspect every set at the local shop and choose the best looking ones (equally tapered hangers where it meets the axle, not oddly shaped and deformed looking/oval). I donít understand how a truck can come out so drastically different from one set to another if itís all being poured or injected into the same mold. Iím sure most people donít even pay attention and just buy whatever set the person behind the counter hands to them, but for me I care about craftsmanship in the things that I buy. I know I know, China metal and I shouldnít be expecting anything of that level.

The only problems Iíve had with Indy/Thunderís is metal from the hanger spilled onto the axle, making it impossible for a bearing to spin, so if I accidentally get a set like that I have to shave away the metal with a razor blade. Iíve also noticed lots of Indyís have off centered iron cross stamps on the baseplate, which is annoying if you have OCD like me.

Bottom line is Iíve noticed Iím not much different than rob, except Iíve never and will never skate a set of low trucks or Mini Logos. I truly have accepted that Ace totally enslaved me with the geometry, no matter what else I try I always end up going back.

Weird thing is I bought a black set to use the baseplates for added flair with the black base/silver hanger combo and they have held up way better at the pivot point than the raw ones. No widening of the hole whatsoever, while the raw baseplates always do pretty quickly when I slappy.

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« Reply #2786 on: October 28, 2017, 02:42:11 AM »
To me comparing an ace to a thunder is like comparing an Indy to a venture....just different trucks....

Thunder=bigger wheelbase, turn fast but bottom out
Ace=smaller wheelbase, stable but then turn deeply.....if you ride them super loose they are just plain wild.....,

Theeves almost no longer exist.....


My local core shops carry them (Rip City is as core as you can get) and so do most major online shops with inventory that's current...seem like they still exist to me. Hell, if Silver, destructo and royal are still around, don't see why theeve wouldn't keep going, they have been for 10 years.

Can buy aces around here anymore tho, no one trusts the build quality even tho all the bowl guys around here do.

They just hit their 10 year anniversary not too long ago but when Jordan Hoffart & Bastien Salabanzi (Iím a big fan of both) are your most marketable Proís, itís hard not to look like you donít exist in the truck market lol. Youíd never guess that they had Tony & Riley Hawk on the team at one point

We need the power of SLAP & the truck thread to make them cool again. You know Krux mustíve seen a boost in their kingpin sales since the making of this thread. I love my Theeves man they cured my truck madness we canít let them lie in irrelevance like this

I gave up on theeve after the kingpins shewed up the hole in the baseplate making them super squirrely. This happened on four occasions all within a couple of weeks getting/replacing them. And I'm not talking loose ace squirrely but rather that squirrelyness plus a freak tipping when the kingpins moved from side to side. Just a heads up. I had the tikings

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #2787 on: October 28, 2017, 02:57:03 AM »
is it just me or is replacing splined thunder kingpins a fucking bitch

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« Reply #2788 on: October 28, 2017, 10:39:59 AM »
is it just me or is replacing splined thunder kingpins a fucking bitch

If you know anyone handy and has a shop with tools galore or someone who has a press thatís the easiest way, pressed my kingpins in less than a min for both thunders cause I wanted my own team hollows without buying a new set
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« Reply #2789 on: October 28, 2017, 08:53:13 PM »
I looked at my 2 setups tonight (anti hero 7.81 with 129 Indys standard & girl 8.125 with thunder hi 147s) and thought "those thunders look pretty nice... possibly even the leader in control". So I took that setup and head over to the school ( there's an elementary school around the corner). It's a little brisk tonight so I had a hoodie on.. hood up even. I get to the school and do a few warm up ollies and kickflips.. couple curb grinds. I look down and realize I'm wearing an old Indy hoodie yet skating thunder. I look around for a second as if the skate fashion police are going to show up and suspend my license to grind. I then shake it off like "what? That's dumb" and comfort myself with what a silly thought that is. Within a few minutes I gain a cramp in my side and realize that "soon it will be time to excrete waste, i had better get home!" About halfway home (it only takes maybe 5 minutes)... the pain turns pretty severe and I'm getting nervous. I make it home and long stride down the hall to the bathroom. I proceed to have one of those shits that feels like it's coming out sideways. Coincidence or?
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