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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #3090 on: January 05, 2018, 11:09:14 PM »
Getting the Thunder pin out isn't too hard (use a parking block with a deep hole, where the rebar is). Getting another pin in, good luck with that....as a) they don't sell forged pins and they are different than cast pins and B) Krux pins don't work as the plate is too thin and the nut will stick out. Better to just get new trucks.

Ha thanks for the tip xen, yeah seems like it would be too much work
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« Reply #3091 on: January 06, 2018, 11:38:43 PM »
So I was speaking with someone earlier this evening about industry standards and quality control pertaining to various parts, everything from motor vehicles to skateboards. It was brought to my attention that grade 8 anything, whether itís an axle or a kingpin, is supposed to be gold with the six line markings on the end of the bolt as an official indicator. I noticed my old stage 7 Indy kingpins only have three lines, havenít checked my stage 11ís yet but I donít recall them having it on there, and theyíre black kingpins I know that for sure. Tracker and Khiro aftermarket kingpins are gold and have the six mark indicator, so they seem to be the only legit ones.

I recall that video from the rat vision YouTube channel exposing lies within the industry regarding product descriptions. How has no one sued any companies in court yet over their false advertising?

I also began to question why trucks are even made of an aluminum cast in the first place, when itís shit compared to other options as far as strength and longevity. Is this because other metals donít grind good?

I also realized truck companies have advertised their axles as 4140 chromoly steel as if itís good...itís garbage. I guess itís no different than a ford commercial saying something is made of ďmilitary ballistic invincible outer space aluminumĒ or something ridiculous along those lines just to make something of average quality sound good.

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« Reply #3092 on: January 07, 2018, 07:07:18 PM »
So I was speaking with someone earlier this evening about industry standards and quality control pertaining to various parts, everything from motor vehicles to skateboards. It was brought to my attention that grade 8 anything, whether itís an axle or a kingpin, is supposed to be gold with the six line markings on the end of the bolt as an official indicator. I noticed my old stage 7 Indy kingpins only have three lines, havenít checked my stage 11ís yet but I donít recall them having it on there, and theyíre black kingpins I know that for sure. Tracker and Khiro aftermarket kingpins are gold and have the six mark indicator, so they seem to be the only legit ones.

I recall that video from the rat vision YouTube channel exposing lies within the industry regarding product descriptions. How has no one sued any companies in court yet over their false advertising?

I also began to question why trucks are even made of an aluminum cast in the first place, when itís shit compared to other options as far as strength and longevity. Is this because other metals donít grind good?

I also realized truck companies have advertised their axles as 4140 chromoly steel as if itís good...itís garbage. I guess itís no different than a ford commercial saying something is made of ďmilitary ballistic invincible outer space aluminumĒ or something ridiculous along those lines just to make something of average quality sound good.

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« Reply #3093 on: January 11, 2018, 10:33:39 AM »
So what's going on with those thunder extended baseplates?

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« Reply #3094 on: January 11, 2018, 11:15:53 AM »
So I was speaking with someone earlier this evening about industry standards and quality control pertaining to various parts, everything from motor vehicles to skateboards. It was brought to my attention that grade 8 anything, whether itís an axle or a kingpin, is supposed to be gold with the six line markings on the end of the bolt as an official indicator. I noticed my old stage 7 Indy kingpins only have three lines, havenít checked my stage 11ís yet but I donít recall them having it on there, and theyíre black kingpins I know that for sure. Tracker and Khiro aftermarket kingpins are gold and have the six mark indicator, so they seem to be the only legit ones.


Tensor used to advertise this in magazines as marketing, but eventually more and more truck companies started to switch to grade 8


I also began to question why trucks are even made of an aluminum cast in the first place, when itís shit compared to other options as far as strength and longevity. Is this because other metals donít grind good?


Pretty much, softer metals grind smoother, and aluminum doesn't rust.


I also realized truck companies have advertised their axles as 4140 chromoly steel as if itís good...itís garbage. I guess itís no different than a ford commercial saying something is made of ďmilitary ballistic invincible outer space aluminumĒ or something ridiculous along those lines just to make something of average quality sound good.


Garbage compared to... what exactly? You are literally buying them to destroy them, why waste any more money than you have to? How many 4140 chromoly steel kingpins have you broken, really? Also keep in mind that skaters need lower price point on avg than most consumers.
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« Reply #3095 on: January 11, 2018, 11:22:12 AM »
So I was speaking with someone earlier this evening about industry standards and quality control pertaining to various parts, everything from motor vehicles to skateboards. It was brought to my attention that grade 8 anything, whether itís an axle or a kingpin, is supposed to be gold with the six line markings on the end of the bolt as an official indicator. I noticed my old stage 7 Indy kingpins only have three lines, havenít checked my stage 11ís yet but I donít recall them having it on there, and theyíre black kingpins I know that for sure. Tracker and Khiro aftermarket kingpins are gold and have the six mark indicator, so they seem to be the only legit ones.


Tensor used to advertise this in magazines as marketing, but eventually more and more truck companies started to switch to grade 8


I also began to question why trucks are even made of an aluminum cast in the first place, when itís shit compared to other options as far as strength and longevity. Is this because other metals donít grind good?


Pretty much, softer metals grind smoother, and aluminum doesn't rust.


I also realized truck companies have advertised their axles as 4140 chromoly steel as if itís good...itís garbage. I guess itís no different than a ford commercial saying something is made of ďmilitary ballistic invincible outer space aluminumĒ or something ridiculous along those lines just to make something of average quality sound good.


Garbage compared to... what exactly? You are literally buying them to destroy them, why waste any more money than you have to? How many 4140 chromoly steel kingpins have you broken, really? Also keep in mind that skaters need lower price point on avg than most consumers.

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« Reply #3096 on: January 11, 2018, 12:17:28 PM »
I looked online, but didn't see anything.

Does anyone know of a list that compares ride height between Indy and Thunders?

I ride newer Indy 144's, but wonder what's a comparable Thunder.

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« Reply #3097 on: January 11, 2018, 12:19:11 PM »
I looked online, but didn't see anything.

Does anyone know of a list that compares ride height between Indy and Thunders?

I ride newer Indy 144's, but wonder what's a comparable Thunder.

There's this thing: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13rCMIthFb59Y-xrveasWk4GqR9jgd85fXDCIFm3g15I/edit#gid=0

Not sure how accurate it is.

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« Reply #3098 on: January 11, 2018, 02:36:46 PM »
I looked online, but didn't see anything.

Does anyone know of a list that compares ride height between Indy and Thunders?

I ride newer Indy 144's, but wonder what's a comparable Thunder.

There's this thing: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13rCMIthFb59Y-xrveasWk4GqR9jgd85fXDCIFm3g15I/edit#gid=0

Not sure how accurate it is.

I think tactics still has a pretty accurate chart when you goto the specific truck, like it has the height and weight and most of it is on point or recycled from the source
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« Reply #3099 on: January 12, 2018, 07:26:10 AM »
I looked online, but didn't see anything.

Does anyone know of a list that compares ride height between Indy and Thunders?

I ride newer Indy 144's, but wonder what's a comparable Thunder.

There's this thing: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13rCMIthFb59Y-xrveasWk4GqR9jgd85fXDCIFm3g15I/edit#gid=0

Not sure how accurate it is.

I think tactics still has a pretty accurate chart when you goto the specific truck, like it has the height and weight and most of it is on point or recycled from the source

Looked over Tactics and another random site.

Unfortunately didn't help with Thunders (hi 148's), since I've seen 50 & 52.3mm listed for height.
Indy was steady at 55mm.

Surprised how such a big difference in height (either way) doesn't cause wheel bite on Thunders.

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« Reply #3100 on: January 12, 2018, 07:44:06 AM »
I looked online, but didn't see anything.

Does anyone know of a list that compares ride height between Indy and Thunders?

I ride newer Indy 144's, but wonder what's a comparable Thunder.

There's this thing: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13rCMIthFb59Y-xrveasWk4GqR9jgd85fXDCIFm3g15I/edit#gid=0

Not sure how accurate it is.

I think tactics still has a pretty accurate chart when you goto the specific truck, like it has the height and weight and most of it is on point or recycled from the source

Looked over Tactics and another random site.

Unfortunately didn't help with Thunders (hi 148's), since I've seen 50 & 52.3mm listed for height.
Indy was steady at 55mm.

Surprised how such a big difference in height (either way) doesn't cause wheel bite on Thunders.

Thunder 148's are 51.5 for the forged and 52.5 for the cast.  same as the 149 and 151

Indy's are 53.5 for forged and 55 for the cast

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« Reply #3101 on: January 12, 2018, 01:51:24 PM »
Getting the Thunder pin out isn't too hard (use a parking block with a deep hole, where the rebar is). Getting another pin in, good luck with that....as a) they don't sell forged pins and they are different than cast pins and B) Krux pins don't work as the plate is too thin and the nut will stick out. Better to just get new trucks.
Getting kingpin out isn't too hard they said, hit it with a big hammer they said.
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« Reply #3102 on: January 12, 2018, 03:48:46 PM »
Itís pretty easy to do with cast plates but yeah, I donít see how anyone gets a kingpin out (and then another back in) of a forged baseplate. I know itís been done before but Iíve just accepted the fact that Iíll never be one of those people. The juice ainít worth the squeeze

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« Reply #3103 on: January 12, 2018, 05:16:48 PM »
So I was speaking with someone earlier this evening about industry standards and quality control pertaining to various parts, everything from motor vehicles to skateboards. It was brought to my attention that grade 8 anything, whether itís an axle or a kingpin, is supposed to be gold with the six line markings on the end of the bolt as an official indicator. I noticed my old stage 7 Indy kingpins only have three lines, havenít checked my stage 11ís yet but I donít recall them having it on there, and theyíre black kingpins I know that for sure. Tracker and Khiro aftermarket kingpins are gold and have the six mark indicator, so they seem to be the only legit ones.


Tensor used to advertise this in magazines as marketing, but eventually more and more truck companies started to switch to grade 8


I also began to question why trucks are even made of an aluminum cast in the first place, when itís shit compared to other options as far as strength and longevity. Is this because other metals donít grind good?


Pretty much, softer metals grind smoother, and aluminum doesn't rust.


I also realized truck companies have advertised their axles as 4140 chromoly steel as if itís good...itís garbage. I guess itís no different than a ford commercial saying something is made of ďmilitary ballistic invincible outer space aluminumĒ or something ridiculous along those lines just to make something of average quality sound good.


Garbage compared to... what exactly? You are literally buying them to destroy them, why waste any more money than you have to? How many 4140 chromoly steel kingpins have you broken, really? Also keep in mind that skaters need lower price point on avg than most consumers.

Kingpins arenít being advertised as 4140 chromoly. The axles are. How many chromoly axles have been bent throughout skateboard history? Tons. How many titanium ones? Probably slim to none. Chromoly is garbage recycled metal dipped in chrome. All Iím saying is as far as axles go, thereís better alternatives. Aluminum for the hanger and baseplate, yeah makes sense I guess. Itís gonna get shredded and other metals may not grind very good.

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« Reply #3104 on: January 12, 2018, 06:41:06 PM »
I know this was talked about a lot but is there a contruction where a truck can actually not have axle slip?

I noticed it for the first time with my thunders, all of a sudden on one side my wheel is locked up and the other side has a bit more play
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« Reply #3105 on: January 12, 2018, 06:44:31 PM »
I know this was talked about a lot but is there a contruction where a truck can actually not have axle slip?

I noticed it for the first time with my thunders, all of a sudden on one side my wheel is locked up and the other side has a bit more play

Theeve tih's didn't really have an axle, so it was impossible for them to get axle slip. Those were dumb expensive though, prolly impossible to find too now

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« Reply #3106 on: January 12, 2018, 07:52:05 PM »
I know this was talked about a lot but is there a contruction where a truck can actually not have axle slip?

I noticed it for the first time with my thunders, all of a sudden on one side my wheel is locked up and the other side has a bit more play

Theeve tih's didn't really have an axle, so it was impossible for them to get axle slip. Those were dumb expensive though, prolly impossible to find too now

Funny thing is my friend has a set and he doesnít ride them anymore and theyíre my size too buttttttt...

As ironic as it is the guy that started the theeve during his berrics video for theeve he mentioned he wanted to create a truck that wasnít like other trucks(I.e. independents) that had problems like the kingpin getting loose or breaking or whatever and funny as it is theeves are reputable for loose kingpins, seriously my friend rode his tih for so long, like 2-3 years and the only problem was always loose kingpins but lucky for him my psycho butt has a bunch of theeves laying around so I just gave him a baseplate or 2 when he needed the fix but he was over it and now rides krux

For me, I rode my set of theeve v3 for about 3 weeks and out of no where the kingpin got loose, and this is on the new v3 construction. I didnít wanna deal with changing a pin cause the trucks were also too loose geo for me. Like theyíre stable but theyíre loose when you get turning so not me

Iím just a low medium tight truck guy, and at the moment I canít decide between my reliable thunder 147 hi which do kinda drag cause of the pushed out wheel base but response is quick

Or

My independent 139 low I fixed, which they do perform really well and feel good but sadly cause theyíre kinda too low(like 2mm lower than thunder 147) when I need to Ollie a good size gap the low quick pop throws me off cause you have to set your foot back more than usual to get a better slide up angle pop over

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« Reply #3107 on: January 12, 2018, 10:24:11 PM »
I know this was talked about a lot but is there a contruction where a truck can actually not have axle slip?

I noticed it for the first time with my thunders, all of a sudden on one side my wheel is locked up and the other side has a bit more play

Theeve tih's didn't really have an axle, so it was impossible for them to get axle slip. Those were dumb expensive though, prolly impossible to find too now

Funny thing is my friend has a set and he doesnít ride them anymore and theyíre my size too buttttttt...

As ironic as it is the guy that started the theeve during his berrics video for theeve he mentioned he wanted to create a truck that wasnít like other trucks(I.e. independents) that had problems like the kingpin getting loose or breaking or whatever and funny as it is theeves are reputable for loose kingpins, seriously my friend rode his tih for so long, like 2-3 years and the only problem was always loose kingpins but lucky for him my psycho butt has a bunch of theeves laying around so I just gave him a baseplate or 2 when he needed the fix but he was over it and now rides krux

For me, I rode my set of theeve v3 for about 3 weeks and out of no where the kingpin got loose, and this is on the new v3 construction. I didnít wanna deal with changing a pin cause the trucks were also too loose geo for me. Like theyíre stable but theyíre loose when you get turning so not me

Iím just a low medium tight truck guy, and at the moment I canít decide between my reliable thunder 147 hi which do kinda drag cause of the pushed out wheel base but response is quick

Or

My independent 139 low I fixed, which they do perform really well and feel good but sadly cause theyíre kinda too low(like 2mm lower than thunder 147) when I need to Ollie a good size gap the low quick pop throws me off cause you have to set your foot back more than usual to get a better slide up angle pop over

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« Reply #3108 on: January 12, 2018, 11:36:52 PM »
I suffered from chronic axel slip.....and I have tih's in an 8 and 8.5.....they are sick except they grind weird....it appears they'll last forever though...they don't grind down.

.I could be wrong...but I'd recommend trying race reds with the nut cranked tight...that way there is zero play....could be a cheap alternative.....


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« Reply #3109 on: January 12, 2018, 11:39:29 PM »
I suffered from chronic axel slip.....and I have tih's in an 8 and 8.5.....they are sick except they grind weird....it appears they'll last forever though...they don't grind down.

.I could be wrong...but I'd recommend trying race reds with the nut cranked tight...that way there is zero play....could be a cheap alternative.....

I was thinking that cause Iím sure you or someone mentioned it but I really like my Indy blacks and Iím using the spacers supplied but the race reds are probably just an overall better choice since itís built in
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« Reply #3110 on: January 13, 2018, 03:09:04 PM »
I have a set of brand new Ace 44ís in the old slim design if anyone wants them. $35 shipped USA only.

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« Reply #3111 on: January 16, 2018, 04:29:03 PM »
Here's my latest setup..about 2 weeks now. I've always ridden Indy..since about 1980. I'm mainly skating manny pads, small ledges, curbs these days..no more jumping down things. I've been riding bigger boards the last few years..8.75-9" with Indy 159s.

I wanted to explore some new options though, especially as my skating style has evolved. Lighter, smaller, etc.

I was always a poor kid, and the gear choices back in the early days were nothing like we have now. I wanted to take full advantage of having not only choices, but having my own $$ to buy what I want when I want it.

I absolutely LOVE this setup. The deck is 8.25" which is a great size for me at the moment. I wouldn't be surprised if I end up liking an 8 or 8.1" now too. The trucks are definitely NOT Indys but that's ok with me. The last thing I want to do is stick to tradition for the sake of tradition.

If something comes along that's better suited to you or your style, I think it's worth at least trying.
So far, these trucks feel great. The geometry is comfortable and I like the way they turn. I ride fairly loose trucks and they work well although I had to go from 52mm wheels to these 50mm Spitfire F4s to not get wheelbite so bad. With that though, the lower than low ride height of these trucks is super comfortable to me.

I'm thoroughly enjoying this setup and I will more than likely continue to explore more gear in this style range; light weight, durable, and geared towards more tech skating.

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« Reply #3112 on: January 16, 2018, 10:31:22 PM »
I suffered from chronic axel slip.....and I have tih's in an 8 and 8.5.....they are sick except they grind weird....it appears they'll last forever though...they don't grind down.

.I could be wrong...but I'd recommend trying race reds with the nut cranked tight...that way there is zero play....could be a cheap alternative.....

I was thinking that cause Iím sure you or someone mentioned it but I really like my Indy blacks and Iím using the spacers supplied but the race reds are probably just an overall better choice since itís built in

The theory is the axel has no space to move....

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« Reply #3113 on: January 17, 2018, 12:15:19 AM »
I suffered from chronic axel slip.....and I have tih's in an 8 and 8.5.....they are sick except they grind weird....it appears they'll last forever though...they don't grind down.

.I could be wrong...but I'd recommend trying race reds with the nut cranked tight...that way there is zero play....could be a cheap alternative.....

I was thinking that cause Iím sure you or someone mentioned it but I really like my Indy blacks and Iím using the spacers supplied but the race reds are probably just an overall better choice since itís built in

The theory is the axel has no space to move....

And thatís why you have to crank the but down with zero play huh..

Iím too sketched with no play but hopefully the tiny amount I left still keeps the axle from slipping

Does anyone here really tighten the trucks down for a session to break in bushings ? Like loosen the nut after and let it be all pancaked bushings loose

Cause my theory was always just to let the stock run flush or a bit looser and carve around until you notice the bushings feeling better then adjusting
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« Reply #3114 on: January 17, 2018, 07:58:34 AM »
I also think skating conical wheels limits axel contact with the ground versus a tablet style wheel when primo'ing. This might help too...

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« Reply #3115 on: January 17, 2018, 02:12:05 PM »
I suffered from chronic axel slip.....and I have tih's in an 8 and 8.5.....they are sick except they grind weird....it appears they'll last forever though...they don't grind down.

If you ever want to get rid of those TiH 5.85 lemme know
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« Reply #3116 on: January 17, 2018, 05:38:24 PM »
Will do...I keep thinking I'll have to invetiably quit skating an 8".....it's nice having a tank that's still light....

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« Reply #3117 on: January 19, 2018, 01:08:39 AM »
Serious question. If I have Thunder 149 hollow lights, are they hiís or low? Do the hollow lights come in both? And if so, how do you measure? Iíve never really geeked out with my gear before, but after lurking this thread I feel some OCD coming on!

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« Reply #3118 on: January 19, 2018, 01:10:57 AM »
Serious question. If I have Thunder 149 hollow lights, are they hiís or low? Do the hollow lights come in both? And if so, how do you measure? Iíve never really geeked out with my gear before, but after lurking this thread I feel some OCD coming on!

Theyíre more like a mid, someone here corrected me and turns out the forged base plates on the hollow thunder trucks(not team hollows) make them 52mm tall so basically a mid

They only make 149 in ďhiĒ as they call it
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« Reply #3119 on: January 30, 2018, 08:54:27 PM »
I was extremely bored and got a case of the olí truck madness tonight. Started looking around at different companies online, the ones you never hear about anymore. Looks like Destructo is still alive and kicking. Anyone ever skate their ďD1 midsĒ? You can customize them with the hanger and baseplate of your liking, and they make magnesium baseplates which is interesting because I thought Ace was the only one whoís done that in recent years. Curious about their quality and how theyíll turn and grind. Isnít magnesium even lighter than a forged baseplate, btw?