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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #3450 on: April 09, 2018, 09:00:11 PM »

It's hard to say because SoCal just updates their stock but not the description.   If you want to be safe, order them directly from Ace

https://shop.acetrucks.com/collections/accessories/products/ace-stock-bushings

Thanks! Just got em they feel awesome, surfy and stable. Like the broken in old ones but a little bouncier feeling.

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« Reply #3451 on: April 11, 2018, 10:28:36 PM »
Here’s a list of truck wheelbases I measured on decks with 14.25” WB:

Ace 44 Hi - 17.13”
Krux K4 Tall 8.25 - 17.25”
Independent 139 Stage 11 - 17.38”
Venture 5.8 Hi - 17.44”
Thunder Team Hollows 147 Hi - 17.69”

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« Reply #3452 on: April 11, 2018, 10:44:49 PM »
Here’s a list of truck wheelbases I measured on decks with 14.25” WB:

Ace 44 Hi - 17.13”
Krux K4 Tall 8.25 - 17.25”
Independent 139 Stage 11 - 17.38”
Venture 5.8 Hi - 17.44”
Thunder Team Hollows 147 Hi - 17.69”

What are your A and B measurement points? Axle to Axle?

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #3453 on: April 11, 2018, 10:53:47 PM »
Here’s a list of truck wheelbases I measured on decks with 14.25” WB:

Ace 44 Hi - 17.13”
Krux K4 Tall 8.25 - 17.25”
Independent 139 Stage 11 - 17.38”
Venture 5.8 Hi - 17.44”
Thunder Team Hollows 147 Hi - 17.69”

What are your A and B measurement points? Axle to Axle?

middle of axle to middle of axle.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #3454 on: April 11, 2018, 11:10:39 PM »
Here’s a list of truck wheelbases I measured on decks with 14.25” WB:

Ace 44 Hi - 17.13”
Krux K4 Tall 8.25 - 17.25”
Independent 139 Stage 11 - 17.38”
Venture 5.8 Hi - 17.44”
Thunder Team Hollows 147 Hi - 17.69”

Nice! Good info!

Here's a comparison pic of Ace 44s to Venture 5.8s. Rear axles are aligned. Quite a difference.


I fucking love Aces, but I really like the pop on Ventures and the feeling the extended wheelbase (and shorter tail?) gives me. So I'm trying to make these Ventures turn, somehow! Gonna try Bones soft bushings next. Indy super softs weren't soft enough with all the washers in place at least.  :)

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« Reply #3455 on: April 12, 2018, 12:23:21 AM »
Here’s a list of truck wheelbases I measured on decks with 14.25” WB:

Ace 44 Hi - 17.13”
Krux K4 Tall 8.25 - 17.25”
Independent 139 Stage 11 - 17.38”
Venture 5.8 Hi - 17.44”
Thunder Team Hollows 147 Hi - 17.69”

Nice! Good info!

Here's a comparison pic of Ace 44s to Venture 5.8s. Rear axles are aligned. Quite a difference.

I fucking love Aces, but I really like the pop on Ventures and the feeling the extended wheelbase (and shorter tail?) gives me. So I'm trying to make these Ventures turn, somehow! Gonna try Bones soft bushings next. Indy super softs weren't soft enough with all the washers in place at least.  :)



LOL i never got the whole SLAP claim on "Ventures not turning" granted its been 3 years since i last used ventures but i had the 5.2 high's with bones mediums and they worked fine. I think this general consensus is from the lo's...

You should try the Independent aftermarkets barrels - ive had both bones and indy bushings and the indy ones are WAY better - can just tell by the quality of the urethane and the CNC machine they use
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #3456 on: April 12, 2018, 01:22:23 AM »
Here’s a list of truck wheelbases I measured on decks with 14.25” WB:

Ace 44 Hi - 17.13”
Krux K4 Tall 8.25 - 17.25”
Independent 139 Stage 11 - 17.38”
Venture 5.8 Hi - 17.44”
Thunder Team Hollows 147 Hi - 17.69”

Nice! Good info!

Here's a comparison pic of Ace 44s to Venture 5.8s. Rear axles are aligned. Quite a difference.

I fucking love Aces, but I really like the pop on Ventures and the feeling the extended wheelbase (and shorter tail?) gives me. So I'm trying to make these Ventures turn, somehow! Gonna try Bones soft bushings next. Indy super softs weren't soft enough with all the washers in place at least.  :)



LOL i never got the whole SLAP claim on "Ventures not turning" granted its been 3 years since i last used ventures but i had the 5.2 high's with bones mediums and they worked fine. I think this general consensus is from the lo's...

You should try the Independent aftermarkets barrels - ive had both bones and indy bushings and the indy ones are WAY better - can just tell by the quality of the urethane and the CNC machine they use
totally agree, I'm riding the same set of black indy barrels for more than a year, still perfect and no signs of weakness

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #3457 on: April 12, 2018, 04:26:04 AM »
I weigh more than 90 kg, so I’m not a light guy at all. I’ve tried the Indy blacks and with them I feel like I could as well have solid trucks, where the hanger and baseplate are one continuous piece of metal.

My preference on truck tightness changed drastically after breaking my leg and now I want them loose as possible pretty much. Aces stock with the nut tightened to where it barely stays on is perfect IMO. The only thing is, Aces shorten the wheelbase and I like a long wheelbase and I feel like I get a more controlled and proper pop with Ventures.

Ventures with stock bushings don’t turn deep at all. With Indy super softs it was much better but I still couldn’t get a turn deep enough as easy as I want. So now I’m going to test the Bones softs without washers and if those don’t work, then I’ll probably try the Indy super softs without washers. I feel like the turn is there in Ventures, you just need really soft bushings to get it out of them or some other special stuff, like shorter bushings or something.

I guess it all depends on what you’re used to and what kind of a turn you like. I think all trucks turn but I like it to happen easy and deep. 😊

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« Reply #3458 on: April 12, 2018, 05:15:51 AM »
^ I have Bones Med with no washers in my Ventures. Feels very loose

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #3459 on: April 12, 2018, 05:32:18 AM »
^ I have Bones Med with no washers in my Ventures. Feels very loose

I put Bones mediums on mine just to test them out now too as can be seen in the pic cuz I had an extra set around. I'll have to wait until Saturday to test them properly though but on the carpet just standing on the board it doesn't feel as loose as Aces with stock bushings, so I'm hoping Bones softs would solve that.  :)

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« Reply #3460 on: April 12, 2018, 08:12:36 AM »
We don't talk too much about the hi or lo trucks....I don't think we've reached that level of craziness.....yet.

If we want to get nerdy...what compliments the wheelbase measurement, is how steep the pop is.... Like the ace is set back (wheelbase) but I bet it's a steeper angle on the nose or tail because of the height and geometry of the truck....thunder the angle is not as steep and the truck is lower..... Mellower but quicker pop.

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« Reply #3461 on: April 12, 2018, 08:22:32 AM »
We don't talk too much about the hi or lo trucks....I don't think we've reached that level of craziness.....yet.

If we want to get nerdy...what compliments the wheelbase measurement, is how steep the pop is.... Like the ace is set back (wheelbase) but I bet it's a steeper angle on the nose or tail because of the height and geometry of the truck....thunder the angle is not as steep and the truck is lower..... Mellower but quicker pop.

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You could easily make a comparison if you had a bunch of trucks and some time and patience. Set them up on the same board with the same wheels one after another. Measure the angle the board is at when the tail is on the ground. That can be easily done with the iPhone compass app for example. Swipe left and it'll show you a level and tell you what angle the phone is at. Place the phone on the griptape in the middle of the board and you've got your result.

What these numbers tell anyone is another thing though as I don't think many people have any reference for what would be the optimal for them. But maybe it might come with time if you measured that with every deck. Could definitely use this to get deeper into the madness!  ;D

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« Reply #3462 on: April 12, 2018, 12:41:38 PM »
We don't talk too much about the hi or lo trucks....I don't think we've reached that level of craziness.....yet.

If we want to get nerdy...what compliments the wheelbase measurement, is how steep the pop is.... Like the ace is set back (wheelbase) but I bet it's a steeper angle on the nose or tail because of the height and geometry of the truck....thunder the angle is not as steep and the truck is lower..... Mellower but quicker pop.

Koo....koo.....

You could easily make a comparison if you had a bunch of trucks and some time and patience. Set them up on the same board with the same wheels one after another. Measure the angle the board is at when the tail is on the ground. That can be easily done with the iPhone compass app for example. Swipe left and it'll show you a level and tell you what angle the phone is at. Place the phone on the griptape in the middle of the board and you've got your result.

What these numbers tell anyone is another thing though as I don't think many people have any reference for what would be the optimal for them. But maybe it might come with time if you measured that with every deck. Could definitely use this to get deeper into the madness!  ;D

Most boards aren't identical either, though

That's why I suggested doing it on the same board one after the other.  ;)

I did a quick measurement of a bunch of different setups that I have. Real 8.38" full with Ace 44s, Real 8.38" with Ace 44s, local brand 8.25" with Indy 149s and Doomsayers 8.38" with Venture 5.8s. All with 54 mm wheels.

All were 36° apart from the set up with Ventures, which was 38°. Dunno if that's a significant difference.

I feel like both the Reals pop very different from each other and the set up with Indys definitely pops different than the normal Real 8.38". The set up with Ventures pops very nicely though. I think the feeling of the pop might have more to do with where the tipping point is than the angle you end up with but I really don't know.  :D

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« Reply #3463 on: April 12, 2018, 05:39:44 PM »
Yeah each truck tips a bit differently Degros talks about how a truck manuals I think in his reviews.  As mentioned before 'the gap' also affects this.

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« Reply #3464 on: April 12, 2018, 08:18:31 PM »
I found Ventures feel too spread out on Quasi 8.5 deck with 14.25 wb and for some reason on my DOA with 14.5 wb feels closer together. Maybe have something about PS boards they feel much "forward" with the short tails and long nose? Anyone get that feeling when the front truck feels so far away?

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« Reply #3465 on: April 13, 2018, 09:14:56 AM »

Most boards aren't identical either, though

That's why I suggested doing it on the same board one after the other.  ;)

I did a quick measurement of a bunch of different setups that I have. Real 8.38" full with Ace 44s, Real 8.38" with Ace 44s, local brand 8.25" with Indy 149s and Doomsayers 8.38" with Venture 5.8s. All with 54 mm wheels.

All were 36° apart from the set up with Ventures, which was 38°. Dunno if that's a significant difference.

I feel like both the Reals pop very different from each other and the set up with Indys definitely pops different than the normal Real 8.38". The set up with Ventures pops very nicely though. I think the feeling of the pop might have more to do with where the tipping point is than the angle you end up with but I really don't know.  :D

Good points. I wonder what the standard amount of flat between the trucks and the edges is. Prof. Schmidt always talks about one or two "fingers" of flat as measurement.
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« Reply #3466 on: April 13, 2018, 10:26:00 AM »
All I know is Indys on a 14" wb feel awful and cramped. Back to Ventures.

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« Reply #3467 on: April 14, 2018, 12:18:59 AM »
All I know is Indys on a 14" wb feel awful and cramped. Back to Ventures.
I feel total opposite, skating 8.25” w/14” wb with 149’s indys and this setup feels like my dreams come true, feels like I’m on control again, just like when I was 15yrs old on 7.625” board. I use to skate antihero’s but when I found out about wheelbases realised those boards are having it too much for my tastes.
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« Reply #3468 on: April 14, 2018, 06:19:37 AM »
I dunno why I try to like these Ventures. They do not turn properly at all.

Bones mediums: way too stiff
Bones softs: wobbly as fuck
Indy super softs with washers: too stiff
Indy super softs without top washer: wobbly as fuck
All stock: No turn
Stock without top washer: wobbly as fuck
Nuts tightened to flush on all
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I don't get it. It's either so wobbly that you've got absolutely no stability whatsoever or then it's super stiff. Tightening even a bit makes it go from the wobbliest truck to the tightest. I'm done. I love Aces and am gonna stick with those. I like the Venture pop. It's crazy. But whatever, I also like to turn and it's not like I can't pop just as high with Aces.   :-X

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« Reply #3469 on: April 14, 2018, 06:52:57 AM »
Damn that's weird, I have v turns with the indy super softs and washers and I'm loving it. Super responsive, turn on a dime, and no wheelbite at all.

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« Reply #3470 on: April 14, 2018, 06:59:43 AM »
I dunno why I try to like these Ventures. They do not turn properly at all.
Indy super softs with washers: too stiff
Shit happens when you don't get to skate enough.  :D
Even the soft indy aftermarkets require a decent amount of break in time so its hard to judge how they affect the trucks' turning without skating them for a week or so.  I don't skate ventures but do skate the aftermarket indy bushings and in my experience they are super stiff the first few sessions and then slowly start to feel really good.  This has surely been discussed somewhere in this thread but if you lay the board down on a carpet or something and just lean back and forth for a few minutes a day you can quicken the break in process.  I'm just saying don't dismiss them right out of the gate because they are the most responsive bushings in my opinion.
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« Reply #3471 on: April 14, 2018, 12:08:41 PM »
I dunno why I try to like these Ventures. They do not turn properly at all.
Indy super softs with washers: too stiff
Shit happens when you don't get to skate enough.  :D
Even the soft indy aftermarkets require a decent amount of break in time so its hard to judge how they affect the trucks' turning without skating them for a week or so.  I don't skate ventures but do skate the aftermarket indy bushings and in my experience they are super stiff the first few sessions and then slowly start to feel really good.  This has surely been discussed somewhere in this thread but if you lay the board down on a carpet or something and just lean back and forth for a few minutes a day you can quicken the break in process.  I'm just saying don't dismiss them right out of the gate because they are the most responsive bushings in my opinion.

I've had them on the Ventures since last fall. I used it as my rain/shit weather setup for a while during the fall and back then I blamed the stiffness of the bushings on the low temperature but now skating it inside I see that they just don't turn the way I want.

When I say that Ventures don't turn, I mean that they don't turn deep enough for me. They turn, but the turn just isn't what I like. It's either too shallow or just flopping side to side and still kinda shallow. Also I don't feel like they return very much at all if you get them to turn a bit deeper which makes carving a bowl feel very weird.

They're just not for me. I'll stick with Aces.  :)

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« Reply #3472 on: April 14, 2018, 06:22:25 PM »
I got a PM about my truck wheelbase measurements so I measured again, this time all on the same Pass~port deck with 14.25” WB. Good thing too ‘cause I got slightly different results. Last time I shouldn’t have assumed all 14.25” WB decks have their holes drilled the same since we are talking about skateboards here. Anyway, here are the measurements.

Ace 17.13
Krux 17.38
Indy 17.63
Thunder 17.69
Venture 17.75

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« Reply #3473 on: April 15, 2018, 06:15:34 AM »
I am curious about Ace , but not ready to try yet. The fact that Julien switched to Ace was more first "huh?". And my dude Barley as well. Based on Indy stage 3 right?
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« Reply #3474 on: April 15, 2018, 01:13:22 PM »
I got a PM about my truck wheelbase measurements so I measured again, this time all on the same Pass~port deck with 14.25” WB. Good thing too ‘cause I got slightly different results. Last time I shouldn’t have assumed all 14.25” WB decks have their holes drilled the same since we are talking about skateboards here. Anyway, here are the measurements.

Ace 17.13
Krux 17.38
Indy 17.63
Thunder 17.69
Venture 17.75

Strangely enough on my 14.25" WB decks I get exactly 17" for Ace and just under 17.5" for Thunder.

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« Reply #3475 on: April 15, 2018, 03:21:39 PM »
I got a PM about my truck wheelbase measurements so I measured again, this time all on the same Pass~port deck with 14.25” WB. Good thing too ‘cause I got slightly different results. Last time I shouldn’t have assumed all 14.25” WB decks have their holes drilled the same since we are talking about skateboards here. Anyway, here are the measurements.

Ace 17.13
Krux 17.38
Indy 17.63
Thunder 17.69
Venture 17.75

Strangely enough on my 14.25" WB decks I get exactly 17" for Ace and just under 17.5" for Thunder.

the variation is crazy. a 14.25” WB can give such different results from deck to deck. but at least using the same deck you can find out the relative differences in WB between truck brands.

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« Reply #3476 on: April 15, 2018, 08:23:51 PM »
To anyone with the new Thunder Team Lights/Hollows. On the Thunder site they list the stock bushings as 99d but they feel as soft as the usual 90d (I think?) that come with most Thunders (I was expecting something like Bones hards). Are Thunder’s replacement bushings more reflective of the actual duro rating like aftermarket Indy’s?

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« Reply #3477 on: April 16, 2018, 04:25:23 AM »
Another weekend on the Ace "Classic" (v2.5) and they keep getting better and better.  If you're not obsessed with weight like I used to be, give them a shot

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« Reply #3478 on: April 16, 2018, 04:33:12 AM »
Just tried this combo on my Indy's

Bones Hard top bushing w/ stock barrel bottom bushing. kept both the top Bones Washer and the stock Bottom washer. I'd normally blow thru the stock top Indy bushing due to the top washer cutting thru the top bushing. This combo adds the rebound of Bones to help center back the truck quicker while still keeping the surfy feel of a full on stock Indy.

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« Reply #3479 on: April 16, 2018, 04:46:51 AM »
To anyone with the new Thunder Team Lights/Hollows. On the Thunder site they list the stock bushings as 99d but they feel as soft as the usual 90d (I think?) that come with most Thunders (I was expecting something like Bones hards). Are Thunder’s replacement bushings more reflective of the actual duro rating like aftermarket Indy’s?

To me they seem even softer...I put bones medium with no issues and they're awesome.