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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #3930 on: June 17, 2018, 05:08:01 AM »
Had Ace 44 classics but like Thunders, the turn was too quick for taste. Sold them and got forged hollow Indy 149s (first time I've ever had Indys without cast plates), threw on some 90A conical Indy aftermarket bushings and I may never use another truck again. These things are perfect!

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« Reply #3931 on: June 17, 2018, 07:59:34 PM »
Had Ace 44 classics but like Thunders, the turn was too quick for taste. Sold them and got forged hollow Indy 149s (first time I've ever had Indys without cast plates), threw on some 90A conical Indy aftermarket bushings and I may never use another truck again. These things are perfect!

Sorry bud but if you liked the forged hollows, you'll probably love the titanium's.

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« Reply #3932 on: June 17, 2018, 08:52:32 PM »
Had Ace 44 classics but like Thunders, the turn was too quick for taste. Sold them and got forged hollow Indy 149s (first time I've ever had Indys without cast plates), threw on some 90A conical Indy aftermarket bushings and I may never use another truck again. These things are perfect!

Sorry bud but if you liked the forged hollows, you'll probably love the titanium's.
thats what im riding right now(thank you rumplefoarskin) but i switched the top bushing on my back truck and put an old as fuck used indy bushing and its fucking perfect
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #3933 on: June 17, 2018, 08:54:13 PM »
Had Ace 44 classics but like Thunders, the turn was too quick for taste. Sold them and got forged hollow Indy 149s (first time I've ever had Indys without cast plates), threw on some 90A conical Indy aftermarket bushings and I may never use another truck again. These things are perfect!

Sorry bud but if you liked the forged hollows, you'll probably love the titanium's.
Too expensive. I'd only try them because I'd like that the Axle was hard enough so my bolt would never get stuck but I haven't had that problem in years so...

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« Reply #3934 on: June 17, 2018, 09:30:47 PM »
I'm skating some regular Thunder 148s, stock, 1 thread showing tight.  Wheelbite hasn't really been an issue, but turning has.  If I get some harder bushings I should be able to loosen up a bit right? I like the height and pop so I'm trying to avoid risers.

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« Reply #3935 on: June 18, 2018, 07:56:44 AM »
I'm skating some regular Thunder 148s, stock, 1 thread showing tight.  Wheelbite hasn't really been an issue, but turning has.  If I get some harder bushings I should be able to loosen up a bit right? I like the height and pop so I'm trying to avoid risers.

I had a thread or two showing and then changed just the bottom bushing to Krux (had to change the washer also) and now it's totally flush and skates great. I'm not real big on conical bushings I guess.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #3936 on: June 18, 2018, 09:20:18 AM »
Some advice please.

I have enjoyed Ventures low 5.2s for a long time, but am trying to skate bigger boards these days.  I had Venture lows on 8" - 8.25" setups with 14.25" wheelbase.  I'm trying to skate 8.3 with 14.38" WB or 8.5" with 14.5" wheelbase.  I have tried Venture 5.8" and love how they skate, but flip tricks become very hard.  I am currently trying some Indy 149s.  I like how they turn and I can flip better since the effective WB is smaller.  But they still feel weird.  I also tried Thunder 148s, but they were a weird mix of old forged baseplate and raw 148 hangars.  They flipped great, but turned awful.  I have Bones medium bushings in all setups (they work for me).   My questions are, will Thunders turn weird even if I get a team baseplate?  Do 149s turn better/worse than 148s?

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« Reply #3937 on: June 18, 2018, 11:37:36 AM »
Some advice please.

I have enjoyed Ventures low 5.2s for a long time, but am trying to skate bigger boards these days.  I had Venture lows on 8" - 8.25" setups with 14.25" wheelbase.  I'm trying to skate 8.3 with 14.38" WB or 8.5" with 14.5" wheelbase.  I have tried Venture 5.8" and love how they skate, but flip tricks become very hard.  I am currently trying some Indy 149s.  I like how they turn and I can flip better since the effective WB is smaller.  But they still feel weird.  I also tried Thunder 148s, but they were a weird mix of old forged baseplate and raw 148 hangars.  They flipped great, but turned awful.  I have Bones medium bushings in all setups (they work for me).   My questions are, will Thunders turn weird even if I get a team baseplate?  Do 149s turn better/worse than 148s?

Thanks!
I don't know anything about thunder, but you seem to like this indy feel, just change the stock bushings (shit) for some aftermarkets indy ones (in the hardness that suit you), words from an indy guy

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #3938 on: June 18, 2018, 12:05:36 PM »
Some advice please.

I have enjoyed Ventures low 5.2s for a long time, but am trying to skate bigger boards these days.  I had Venture lows on 8" - 8.25" setups with 14.25" wheelbase.  I'm trying to skate 8.3 with 14.38" WB or 8.5" with 14.5" wheelbase.  I have tried Venture 5.8" and love how they skate, but flip tricks become very hard.  I am currently trying some Indy 149s.  I like how they turn and I can flip better since the effective WB is smaller.  But they still feel weird.  I also tried Thunder 148s, but they were a weird mix of old forged baseplate and raw 148 hangars.  They flipped great, but turned awful.  I have Bones medium bushings in all setups (they work for me).   My questions are, will Thunders turn weird even if I get a team baseplate?  Do 149s turn better/worse than 148s?

Thanks!

Only talking about the Thunders, the thing that's going to affect the turn more than the baseplate is the bushings. Bones geometry in Thunders is totally off. The bones bottom bushing is way too short and the top bushing is way too tall, throws off the center of the hanger in the kingpin pretty drastically. Stock Thunder bushings give you a much quicker/deeper turn than the bones will allow (still have to deal with wheelbite though, especially with forged plates). Probably worth the $10 to try em out before plunking down for a set of Teams.

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« Reply #3939 on: June 18, 2018, 01:12:12 PM »
Anything will work if you get used to it but Thunder's bottom bushing is perfect for thunders, nothing else has the right height (Thunder bottom bushings are TALL); top bushings can be easily swapped out but for those that ride loose it's tough to do without changing out the bottom (throwing off geo) or, using the bottom with either a low or sanded down or super soft top (so it compresses to get the damn nut on).

I gave up using anything other than thunder bottoms and just ended up sanding down the tops, worked great.

 

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #3940 on: June 18, 2018, 03:17:39 PM »
Cool thanks everyone.  The main reason I have stuck with Bones bushings is because they avoid freezing up in the winter better than other bushings I've found.  But since it's summer maybe I'll give the Thunders another go with the stock bushings. 

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« Reply #3941 on: June 19, 2018, 02:23:04 AM »
if you guys feel odd about your truck setups i know someone currently rocking a hand me down setup consisting of two krux baseplates, a hollow light 147 hangar on the back and a fucking 7.75 generic hangar on the front.....on an 8.75

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« Reply #3942 on: June 19, 2018, 06:29:13 AM »
if you guys feel odd about your truck setups i know someone currently rocking a hand me down setup consisting of two krux baseplates, a hollow light 147 hangar on the back and a fucking 7.75 generic hangar on the front.....on an 8.75

Some people just don't give a shit, and I envy those people. They probably have more fun skating at the end of the day than I do as I'm sweating whether my Thunders are good for tailslides or my Ventures are good for 360 flips  :'(

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« Reply #3943 on: June 19, 2018, 08:39:13 AM »
Re Thunder Bushings.....are the after markets any good?  I remember way back the geometry of Indy and thunder wasn't that different and you bought thunders because of supercush.... Not sure why deluxe doesn't market that brand harder....are they any good though? 

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #3944 on: June 19, 2018, 09:49:26 AM »
on my 149s ive had the 90a red bushings (from the rebuild kit) and the 94a blue ones. reds were way too soft for me; wheelbite with 54mm wheels and risers. blues were nice but i think the stock piss yellow ones were best - 100a i think? that being said if i was gonna buy aftermarket ones i'd probably opt for the 97as.

finally decided to cave in, gonna buy a new set of 149s on friday. while the groove was nice and i really wanted to ride them until they snapped the fucked up bushings, losing axle nuts every other session, worn out mounting holes and fucked up rear kingpin are more trouble than it's worth. gonna see how long it takes to get the next set down to the axle.


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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #3945 on: June 19, 2018, 10:30:43 AM »
Re Thunder Bushings.....are the after markets any good?  I remember way back the geometry of Indy and thunder wasn't that different and you bought thunders because of supercush.... Not sure why deluxe doesn't market that brand harder....are they any good though?

http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=42349

"Supercush Bushings are designed for Independent and Venture trucks. They will not fit in Thunder Trucks"

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« Reply #3946 on: June 19, 2018, 10:39:05 AM »
Re Thunder Bushings.....are the after markets any good?  I remember way back the geometry of Indy and thunder wasn't that different and you bought thunders because of supercush.... Not sure why deluxe doesn't market that brand harder....are they any good though?

I had supercush in some Indys back in 1990, and there was nothing better. Yes that was over a quarter of a century ago, but they were boss. But like Zen said, apparently not for Thunder. Although I think they fit them back in that era
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« Reply #3947 on: June 19, 2018, 11:01:09 AM »
Madness update: I switch Thunders and Indys back and forth, even if I haven't rode them that time. My wife doesn't even want to hear about this anymore. Unlucky her, I don't even skate with anyone anymore, due to my schedule,  so she has to listen.

"Where were you?" @2am
"Downstairs"
"Why?"
"Just uh.. looking at my trucks"
"Oh my god"

She doesn't even know there's a set of Ventures down there,  hiding in the shadows. Heh heh heh.

I know some of my madness is video influenced, which is irritating to even me.
If I watch Eastern Exposure (Ricky), Heath or Cardiel I'm like "Indys it is, fuck da rest" .
If I watch Busenitz, McCrank, Puig - "need them Thunders son".
If I watch Guy (mouse), Shef, PJ,  Tim O, "gotta get tech on the V-force brah!".

All these trucks are great, for different reasons. As bad as my left ankle is becoming,  I need stability something fierce. May try the Ventures out again, may not. When I land almost any trick my left ankle wants to roll, it's trash.

I also think since I finally joined the 8.0 and up deck world, everything feels different after all those years of 7.5-7.75. (I even have some venture 5.0 on hand "just in case"). And my inconsistent free time to get used to any of these, ha
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« Reply #3948 on: June 19, 2018, 01:35:41 PM »
Madness update: I switch Thunders and Indys back and forth, even if I haven't rode them that time. My wife doesn't even want to hear about this anymore. Unlucky her, I don't even skate with anyone anymore, due to my schedule,  so she has to listen.

"Where were you?" @2am
"Downstairs"
"Why?"
"Just uh.. looking at my trucks"
"Oh my god"

She doesn't even know there's a set of Ventures down there,  hiding in the shadows. Heh heh heh.

I know some of my madness is video influenced, which is irritating to even me.
If I watch Eastern Exposure (Ricky), Heath or Cardiel I'm like "Indys it is, fuck da rest" .
If I watch Busenitz, McCrank, Puig - "need them Thunders son".
If I watch Guy (mouse), Shef, PJ,  Tim O, "gotta get tech on the V-force brah!".

All these trucks are great, for different reasons. As bad as my left ankle is becoming,  I need stability something fierce. May try the Ventures out again, may not. When I land almost any trick my left ankle wants to roll, it's trash.

I also think since I finally joined the 8.0 and up deck world, everything feels different after all those years of 7.5-7.75. (I even have some venture 5.0 on hand "just in case"). And my inconsistent free time to get used to any of these, ha

My wife wonders the same thing. "Why are you taking your skateboards apart again?!?". I don't have anyone to skate with either so she gets to hear my mad ramblings as well. I've been mostly content with the new Thunder Team Lights with stock bushings but just ordered some Tracker Axis 149's if for nothing to just rule them out. I have no idea what to expect from them, haven't tried Tracker since my last set of Ultralights in the late 80's. Hopefully I'll be pleasantly surprised. Try a compression sleeve or sock on that ankle. I've got a dud push foot ankle and use a copper compression sleeve which has helped me a lot!
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #3949 on: June 19, 2018, 02:53:30 PM »
any Venture people on here? I got a set of the blank ones and I love em, I don't know how much has changed since the Street corner to DLX thing but I set em up and left them factory tightness, does anyone use em with the bones bushings? Just curious

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« Reply #3950 on: June 19, 2018, 04:22:41 PM »
any Venture people on here? I got a set of the blank ones and I love em, I don't know how much has changed since the Street corner to DLX thing but I set em up and left them factory tightness, does anyone use em with the bones bushings? Just curious

I rode only venture since i was 11 (turned 30 yesterday) i just switched to thunder, i prefer the height of them but my last pair of ventures i had bones bushings in them, they felt great but you might have to sand down the bottom bushing a bit

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« Reply #3951 on: June 19, 2018, 05:25:46 PM »
any Venture people on here? I got a set of the blank ones and I love em, I don't know how much has changed since the Street corner to DLX thing but I set em up and left them factory tightness, does anyone use em with the bones bushings? Just curious

I rode only venture since i was 11 (turned 30 yesterday) i just switched to thunder, i prefer the height of them but my last pair of ventures i had bones bushings in them, they felt great but you might have to sand down the bottom bushing a bit

I have the same blank venture highs and I love them. Usually I'll have a truck crisis every 6 months or so, constantly switching between indy and thunder but I'm finally satisfied with these. Slapped some indy super soft (white) bushings and they turn so smooth and don't really wheelbite.

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« Reply #3952 on: June 19, 2018, 06:14:44 PM »
any Venture people on here? I got a set of the blank ones and I love em, I don't know how much has changed since the Street corner to DLX thing but I set em up and left them factory tightness, does anyone use em with the bones bushings? Just curious

Iím a Venture fanboy. Have been running the 5.8 v-light highs for a while they rule...very surfy, though feel more stable than Indy, and thatís with them at the tightness that they came at as well. That said, I am also running harder bushings in the ventures so that might have something to do with it (along with the fact that they are slightly lower and stretch out your wheelbase a bit). Havenít tried them with bones but I saw someone in the setup thread was a few pages back.

Following a conversation with Fang earlier in this thread I also set up a smaller board with some standard 5.0 lows. I grew up skating them and always loved them, so coming back to them now feels great but the highs are definitely a more ďfunĒ ride.

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« Reply #3953 on: June 19, 2018, 08:09:47 PM »
Re Thunder Bushings.....are the after markets any good?  I remember way back the geometry of Indy and thunder wasn't that different and you bought thunders because of supercush.... Not sure why deluxe doesn't market that brand harder....are they any good though?

I had supercush in some Indys back in 1990, and there was nothing better. Yes that was over a quarter of a century ago, but they were boss. But like Zen said, apparently not for Thunder. Although I think they fit them back in that era

Thunder in thunders?  This is the truck thread....there must be some other brand after market that works? Khiros?  Some longboard shit? 

The bushing thread with measurements and profiles....weights....this is what we need....

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« Reply #3954 on: June 19, 2018, 08:55:06 PM »
Madness update: I switch Thunders and Indys back and forth, even if I haven't rode them that time. My wife doesn't even want to hear about this anymore. Unlucky her, I don't even skate with anyone anymore, due to my schedule,  so she has to listen.

"Where were you?" @2am
"Downstairs"
"Why?"
"Just uh.. looking at my trucks"
"Oh my god"

She doesn't even know there's a set of Ventures down there,  hiding in the shadows. Heh heh heh.

I know some of my madness is video influenced, which is irritating to even me.
If I watch Eastern Exposure (Ricky), Heath or Cardiel I'm like "Indys it is, fuck da rest" .
If I watch Busenitz, McCrank, Puig - "need them Thunders son".
If I watch Guy (mouse), Shef, PJ,  Tim O, "gotta get tech on the V-force brah!".

All these trucks are great, for different reasons. As bad as my left ankle is becoming,  I need stability something fierce. May try the Ventures out again, may not. When I land almost any trick my left ankle wants to roll, it's trash.

I also think since I finally joined the 8.0 and up deck world, everything feels different after all those years of 7.5-7.75. (I even have some venture 5.0 on hand "just in case"). And my inconsistent free time to get used to any of these, ha

My wife wonders the same thing. "Why are you taking your skateboards apart again?!?". I don't have anyone to skate with either so she gets to hear my mad ramblings as well. I've been mostly content with the new Thunder Team Lights with stock bushings but just ordered some Tracker Axis 149's if for nothing to just rule them out. I have no idea what to expect from them, haven't tried Tracker since my last set of Ultralights in the late 80's. Hopefully I'll be pleasantly surprised. Try a compression sleeve or sock on that ankle. I've got a dud push foot ankle and use a copper compression sleeve which has helped me a lot!


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« Reply #3955 on: June 19, 2018, 09:08:56 PM »
I use either stock Thunders the army green ones or Supercush on any truck. I usually run the green (94a) Supercush . Ive ran supercush on those titanium team Thunders. I just shave them a bit to make them conical and the height on the bushing fits dead on the Thunders.

Btw the taller baseplate makes a difference. Even if its 1mm.

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« Reply #3956 on: June 19, 2018, 09:26:46 PM »
I use either stock Thunders the army green ones or Supercush on any truck. I usually run the green (94a) Supercush . Ive ran supercush on those titanium team Thunders. I just shave them a bit to make them conical and the height on the bushing fits dead on the Thunders.

Btw the taller baseplate makes a difference. Even if its 1mm.

If I recall, someone on the board recently went barrel bottoms on current thunders; I wonder how they worked out

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« Reply #3957 on: June 19, 2018, 09:31:31 PM »


If I recall, someone on the board recently went barrel bottoms on current thunders; I wonder how they worked out

They might work good I just like conical on thunders because of how slim the bottom bushing seat is on thunder baseplates. I end up bending the washer if I use a barrel.  I weigh 255 so i tend to fuck up up washers.

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« Reply #3958 on: June 19, 2018, 10:32:14 PM »
any Venture people on here? I got a set of the blank ones and I love em, I don't know how much has changed since the Street corner to DLX thing but I set em up and left them factory tightness, does anyone use em with the bones bushings? Just curious

Hi! I had a pair of Venture 5.2 low hollows a few years ago. And they where great.
Did absolutely nothing to them. Grinded them all the way to the axels, and was bummed when i had to get new trucks. Really good trucks.
Bones bushing should fit on Ventures, but i try to avoid them because they can break.

Now if Venture just would do the 5,5 width(mid  ::).

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« Reply #3959 on: June 19, 2018, 11:15:23 PM »
Hey guys Iím back, worked enough to have a car recently and been tinkering with that so my truck madness has been at bay

Loving my set up though

Thunder 149 lights with really really broken in stock yellow thunders my friend skated for me cause at the time I was going crazy with indys and krux and such while he got them nice and worn in

As much as I hate silvers I wanna try them for a day just to see how do some odd balls ride them?? From my memory they were like a worse venture low

Maybe Iíll finally get some destructos haha
 
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