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vx1000 vs vx2100
« on: January 24, 2016, 03:10:54 PM »
planning to buy one soon

any major differences between the 2?

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Re: vx1000 vs vx2100
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2016, 03:22:09 PM »
2100 has horrible sound and shitty colors. The only real benefit to a 2100 is that its better in low light than a 1000 but it doesn't really matter anyway if you have a camera light. 1000 has the best colors and the best sound. Its always the way to go

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Re: vx1000 vs vx2100
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2016, 04:06:57 PM »
yeah i got a light.

I have a sony hdrfx7 (the series that came out after the vx) thats gone to sony for repair (long story)
and i got a panasonic hvx200, but im looking for another sd cam.

i knew the vx1000 was a bit advantageous but i wanted to make sure

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Re: vx1000 vs vx2100
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2016, 05:02:05 PM »
Just know that the 1000 is pretty fragile, and you're going to end up sending it in for repairs fairly often. The 2000 and 2100 are a lot more durable and reliable; however I would agree that the 1000 looks and sounds the best. I have a 2000 but I'm probably going to sell it and try to get a Japanese vx1000
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Re: vx1000 vs vx2100
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2016, 01:49:01 PM »
vx1k always

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Re: vx1000 vs vx2100
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2016, 03:08:43 PM »
 
2100 has horrible sound and shitty colors. The only real benefit to a 2100 is that its better in low light than a 1000 but it doesn't really matter anyway if you have a camera light. 1000 has the best colors and the best sound. Its always the way to go

i have both cameras and can never be bothered using the 1k. If you know what you're doing you can get really good colors out of the 2100 and if you know how to set the mic properly for what you are filming it sounds perfect. don't listen to this dumbass.

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Re: vx1000 vs vx2100
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2016, 03:33:45 PM »
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2100 has horrible sound and shitty colors. The only real benefit to a 2100 is that its better in low light than a 1000 but it doesn't really matter anyway if you have a camera light. 1000 has the best colors and the best sound. Its always the way to go
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i have both cameras and can never be bothered using the 1k. If you know what you're doing you can get really good colors out of the 2100 and if you know how to set the mic properly for what you are filming it sounds perfect. don't listen to this dumbass.

It can also be subjective. I would love to see one of your videos.

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« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2016, 07:02:59 PM »
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2100 has horrible sound and shitty colors. The only real benefit to a 2100 is that its better in low light than a 1000 but it doesn't really matter anyway if you have a camera light. 1000 has the best colors and the best sound. Its always the way to go
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i have both cameras and can never be bothered using the 1k. If you know what you're doing you can get really good colors out of the 2100 and if you know how to set the mic properly for what you are filming it sounds perfect. don't listen to this dumbass.

can you link some of your vids? and also what about for fisheyes, i have a mk2 for my hdrfx7, no vig and it gives that look that youre a bit zoomed in the skater. arent mk1's only for vx1k?

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Re: vx1000 vs vx2100
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2016, 07:35:46 PM »
I've been using a vx2100/mk2 lens almost ten years. Better in low light, less fragile, and I do all my color editing in post anyway. Its not that hard to mimic vx1000 colors, they're just warmer. I also like using the zoom control on the handle for a slow controlled zoom when I'm being too rough with the main zoom control.
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Re: vx1000 vs vx2100
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2016, 01:14:22 PM »
Been using both since the early 2000s. VX1000 has the color I prefer, and the fisheye provides more bubble distortion (as the most available lens on the 21 is the mk2, which does not do the 180 degree field of vision the vx1 mk1 does). If you can find a VX21 MK1 fisheye it does have a bit more vignet.

As someone said, the 1000 is much more fragile. It even sounds delicate. You just need to maintain it (i.e. send it in for tuneups before it breaks - tighten the video circuit and clean the heads every 8-12 months).

There are a handful of advantages to the 21 - as mentioned, it is better in low light, but it is also better in variable light. Partial shadows and things like that can be tricky with the vx1.

For long lens, the zoom capabilities are also better with a 21 - the toggle has variable speeds (i.e. press down more = zoom faster). Once you get used to it, you can get more creative with long lens filming. The vx1 only has 1 zoom speed.

The 21 is also easier in setting your colors. With the 1000, what you see through the eyepiece is not what you get in the computer. I have basically gotten used to setting the camera the right amount of incorrect color/exposure knowing how it will ultimately look correct on a computer. The 21 is a little more straightforward.

21 also has a zoom ring, but that isn't really something I use.

With all of that said, I am a 1000 guy, even with all of it's shortcomings. Not to sound like a bandwagoner - you just can't beat the fisheye, and if I am going to use it for fish, I will use it for long lens as well for consistency. My vx21 is the most reliable capture camera I have ever owned!

Edit: when I say using both since the early 2000s, I guess I'm talking about the 2000 as well. 2100s were 2005ish I think. All the same facts hold true for a 2000 as a 2100 in regards to my comments above  (with the exception of zoom ring? Don't think the 2000 has one).
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Re: vx1000 vs vx2100
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2016, 01:34:49 PM »
If we were gonna turn this into a skateperception thread,

whats a good HD setup to start on? Ive been using vx's/gl's forever and wanna upgrade. But there are so many varibles to pay attention to. I was looking towards a dslr until I have income that can afford better. I understand the sound is sketchy, but what are options for an external mic

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« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2016, 05:59:56 PM »
If we were gonna turn this into a skateperception thread,

whats a good HD setup to start on? Ive been using vx's/gl's forever and wanna upgrade. But there are so many varibles to pay attention to. I was looking towards a dslr until I have income that can afford better. I understand the sound is sketchy, but what are options for an external mic

i started on a dslr as far as hd filming.  I had a vx1000 and 2000 but the 1000 i sold and the 2000 got swooped.  With the dslr i got a 60d used.  Its pretty good you can actually adjust the audio levels on this model as opposed to the 7d and t3i series.  flip out screen is good and for external mic i would get the rode video mic with a wind shield.  the wind shield is really expensive so i would suggest going to walmart or something and buy a cheap teddy bear to use the arm/leg as the wind screen. you can get a fish for 300 and its pretty crisp

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Re: vx1000 vs vx2100
« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2016, 06:35:47 PM »
I miss skateperception.  :'(

I kinda upgraded myself out of HD filming. Through a series of craigslist trades with spoiled children and idiots I got the t1i, then the t2i (with a rokinon fisheye for that which was pretty fun), then saw a 5D Mkii for a price I had to jump on. Unfortunately I refuse to put a fisheye on my 5D and go filming lines because I cant imagine how upset I would be if it got damaged.

Also, zooming and focusing on DSLRs requires you to be so much smoother with your hands because you'll most likely be turning the rings manually. There are follow-focus rigs you can use, but they were just outrageously priced for how simple they were. I havent looked in a while though. Also without an external mic you can often hear the lens when you zoom.

I think someone who has never used a vx before might be able to pickup DSLR filming and eventually get the hang of it without any additional aids, but the setup of my vx21 was just so perfect for me. I feel like Kenny G and his saxophone when I'm using my vx21.


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Re: vx1000 vs vx2100
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2016, 03:50:36 PM »
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If we were gonna turn this into a skateperception thread,

whats a good HD setup to start on? Ive been using vx's/gl's forever and wanna upgrade. But there are so many varibles to pay attention to. I was looking towards a dslr until I have income that can afford better. I understand the sound is sketchy, but what are options for an external mic
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i started on a dslr as far as hd filming.  I had a vx1000 and 2000 but the 1000 i sold and the 2000 got swooped.  With the dslr i got a 60d used.  Its pretty good you can actually adjust the audio levels on this model as opposed to the 7d and t3i series.  flip out screen is good and for external mic i would get the rode video mic with a wind shield.  the wind shield is really expensive so i would suggest going to walmart or something and buy a cheap teddy bear to use the arm/leg as the wind screen. you can get a fish for 300 and its pretty crisp
I own both a T3i and a 7D, you can adjust the mic levels in both cameras. Canon released a firmware update that allowed you to do that years ago. 60d, 7d, or the T3i would be a good setup for getting into HD. My t3i's up for sale if you're interested: http://www.ebay.com/itm/222004921083?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
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Re: vx1000 vs vx2100
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2016, 08:11:24 AM »
this thread is a gold mine. we need more camera/filming threads on SLAP

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Re: vx1000 vs vx2100
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2016, 04:56:15 PM »
If you ever wanted to see a video with 60D Footy... I made one, and the link is in my sig ;)
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Re: vx1000 vs vx2100
« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2016, 05:26:14 PM »
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If we were gonna turn this into a skateperception thread,

whats a good HD setup to start on? Ive been using vx's/gl's forever and wanna upgrade. But there are so many varibles to pay attention to. I was looking towards a dslr until I have income that can afford better. I understand the sound is sketchy, but what are options for an external mic
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i started on a dslr as far as hd filming.  I had a vx1000 and 2000 but the 1000 i sold and the 2000 got swooped.  With the dslr i got a 60d used.  Its pretty good you can actually adjust the audio levels on this model as opposed to the 7d and t3i series.  flip out screen is good and for external mic i would get the rode video mic with a wind shield.  the wind shield is really expensive so i would suggest going to walmart or something and buy a cheap teddy bear to use the arm/leg as the wind screen. you can get a fish for 300 and its pretty crisp
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I own both a T3i and a 7D, you can adjust the mic levels in both cameras. Canon released a firmware update that allowed you to do that years ago. 60d, 7d, or the T3i would be a good setup for getting into HD. My t3i's up for sale if you're interested: http://www.ebay.com/itm/222004921083?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

damn! i didn't know that! i would've copped that 7d from my homie a while back.  Shit i should keep checking on the canon website for updates. good looks!

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Re: vx1000 vs vx2100
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2016, 06:21:57 AM »
just get a RED

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Re: vx1000 vs vx2100
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2016, 03:33:27 PM »
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If we were gonna turn this into a skateperception thread,

whats a good HD setup to start on? Ive been using vx's/gl's forever and wanna upgrade. But there are so many varibles to pay attention to. I was looking towards a dslr until I have income that can afford better. I understand the sound is sketchy, but what are options for an external mic
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i started on a dslr as far as hd filming.  I had a vx1000 and 2000 but the 1000 i sold and the 2000 got swooped.  With the dslr i got a 60d used.  Its pretty good you can actually adjust the audio levels on this model as opposed to the 7d and t3i series.  flip out screen is good and for external mic i would get the rode video mic with a wind shield.  the wind shield is really expensive so i would suggest going to walmart or something and buy a cheap teddy bear to use the arm/leg as the wind screen. you can get a fish for 300 and its pretty crisp
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I own both a T3i and a 7D, you can adjust the mic levels in both cameras. Canon released a firmware update that allowed you to do that years ago. 60d, 7d, or the T3i would be a good setup for getting into HD. My t3i's up for sale if you're interested: http://www.ebay.com/itm/222004921083?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
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damn! i didn't know that! i would've copped that 7d from my homie a while back.  Shit i should keep checking on the canon website for updates. good looks!

Ahh shit I forgot when I had the t2i, I used the Magic Lantern Hack and it pretty much unlocks all the manual filming capabilities of the 5D. Its free and you can use it on all these cameras: 5D2, 5D3, 6D, 7D, 50D, 60D, 500D/T1i, 550D/T2i, 600D/T3i, 650D/T4i, 700D/T5i, 1100D/T3, EOS M.

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Re: vx1000 vs vx2100
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Re: vx1000 vs vx2100
« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2016, 01:34:24 AM »
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2100 has horrible sound and shitty colors. The only real benefit to a 2100 is that its better in low light than a 1000 but it doesn't really matter anyway if you have a camera light. 1000 has the best colors and the best sound. Its always the way to go
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i have both cameras and can never be bothered using the 1k. If you know what you're doing you can get really good colors out of the 2100 and if you know how to set the mic properly for what you are filming it sounds perfect. don't listen to this dumbass.
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can you link some of your vids? and also what about for fisheyes, i have a mk2 for my hdrfx7, no vig and it gives that look that youre a bit zoomed in the skater. arent mk1's only for vx1k?

sorry i forgot i posted in this thread. i haven't uploaded any footage to the internet in about 7 or 8 years because im a lazy shit, and all the old stuff i do have up is from using a budget 3-chip with a mini death lens that i would rather not share because it is embarrassingly bad.

mk1s are indeed designed for vx1k however you can get an alternate bayonet ring which is really easy to install from http://bayorings.com/ that will allow you to mount an mk1 on a vx2_00. i found a cheap secondhand one because not many people use a 2_00 anymore.

minty sandwhich: yes that is true, i find however that a lot of the hatred of the 2100 is from ignorance of how to adjust the colors and audio properly. if not then cest la vie mon brah

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Re: vx1000 vs vx2100
« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2016, 05:39:20 PM »
1000 for fish, 2000 for longlense.

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Re: vx1000 vs vx2100
« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2016, 09:31:59 PM »
Overall if you want to go for sd in 2016 just get a vx1k/mk1,it's a classic look you cant go wrong with.You might also look in trv900/baby death,baker 3 was filmed with it and it looks identical to vx1k/mk1,


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Re: vx1000 vs vx2100
« Reply #25 on: March 04, 2016, 09:29:09 PM »
When I was a teenager Transworld published an article matching up the VX1000 versus the VX2000 and dubbed the 2000 the winner, so I went with one of those.

I've used a VX2000 for about 10 years and switched to a 2100 about a year ago. I ultimately regret never getting a VX1000 MK1 setup. I'd miss the LCD screen but I've played back raw footage from both with headphones on and the 1000 sounds so much crispier and you just can't beat the MK1.

If you do go VX2000/2100 route I'd suggest getting an Opteka Ultra Fisheye lens over any of the Century lenses designed for that camera. I originally had an Opteka lens but then bought an MKII thinking it was an upgrade. The depth of field isn't even close to the VXMK1, there's no vignetting, and my lens got a permanent scratch on it from a loose board within 6 months, (the only lens I've ever had that happen to.) I then stumbled across a rare VX2000 MK1 thinking that all of my problems were solved, but it was practically the same lens at the MKII but without the hood around it! No vignetting at all.

I know it's possible to get a step-up ring to stick an og MK1 on a VX2000. I also remember seeing a $100 thingy you could buy to modify the bayonet mounted lenses but you'd probably have to dig through skateperception pretty deep to find the link.




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Re: vx1000 vs vx2100
« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2016, 11:20:33 AM »
heres some footage of my vx2100 with mk1 setup. vx1 audio/colors will always win but if you set the audio manually and use custom presents on the vx21 its not the worst. i would never film with an mk2, not wide enough and no classic vig look.



if i had the choice to go back and start working on videos with the vx1 i would. the vx21 is quite durable tho, i film probably 4 days a week and maybe have sent it in to be fixed twice in the 5 or so years ive had it. the lcd is a huge plus too.

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Re: vx1000 vs vx2100
« Reply #27 on: March 07, 2016, 05:56:21 AM »
heres some footage of my vx2100 with mk1 setup. vx1 audio/colors will always win but if you set the audio manually and use custom presents on the vx21 its not the worst. i would never film with an mk2, not wide enough and no classic vig look.



if i had the choice to go back and start working on videos with the vx1 i would. the vx21 is quite durable tho, i film probably 4 days a week and maybe have sent it in to be fixed twice in the 5 or so years ive had it. the lcd is a huge plus too.

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Re: vx1000 vs vx2100
« Reply #28 on: March 08, 2016, 04:09:21 PM »
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heres some footage of my vx2100 with mk1 setup. vx1 audio/colors will always win but if you set the audio manually and use custom presents on the vx21 its not the worst. i would never film with an mk2, not wide enough and no classic vig look.



if i had the choice to go back and start working on videos with the vx1 i would. the vx21 is quite durable tho, i film probably 4 days a week and maybe have sent it in to be fixed twice in the 5 or so years ive had it. the lcd is a huge plus too.
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where can i see the whole grains video, it looks sick!
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Re: vx1000 vs vx2100
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where can i see the whole grains video, it looks sick!
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thanks, still filming for it!