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Re: Fallen Footwear
« Reply #240 on: April 13, 2016, 02:06:17 PM »
Dudes would have to quit... nobody wants to get released.. and nobody wants to see these guys not get paid.
Same goes for the staff. They all know what they are doing.. and i would bet they all feel like shit while doing it.
I would even guess its getting frustrating in that building... knowing nothing stays true in a corporate structure...
The good Employees getting moved, split up, less freedom, having to explain "why", biting tongues, ect.

There truly is no justification.... there isn't. Its all justified by a temporary "at least they get paid" moment of time.. but we all know this trend isn't going to last forever.. it never does.. but when the "cycle" dips out of their favor.... its going to change and a lot of patient people are going to get shafted.

But your right... it might be too late..... there really isn't many places to go anymore. The whole infrastructure needs to be rebuilt. Its taken a beating... Not many places left.

Even if all, or half of the pro's for Nike quit of their own terms - that's still a healthy amount of guys that are used to a certain income, a certain lifestyle, and we both know that the only way any team can afford it, would be sacrificing team riders to make room. Loyalty isn't a currency that any brand uses - skater-owned or not. What happens if Shane and Ishod start talking to DC about coming onboard, and DC doesn't have the money to keep everybody? Does MikeMo or Davis get a pay cut? Do they get cut altogether? Maybe they start looking at marketability, and in corporate speak, who "will lead them into the next era of growth"?

The trend isn't going to last forever. It's volatile, and there are dips and gains. And of course we all like the "Well, at least so and so is getting a check while they can" argument. It's growing into a potential problem because a lot of professionals, both in skateboarding and in the staff, have now built a dependency on Nike. And honestly, this is a problem for the industry, and for you, not us.

Whether or not Nike exists in skateboarding, it doesn't effect me, it doesn't effect any kid doing kickflips in their driveway. Skateboarding is the same for the majority of people. It only effects the people who get paid by skateboarding. Consumers aren't to blame with this. The professionals and industry icons that said "Hey we're OK with Nike!" are to blame. But again, those are the people that will get hung out to dry when and if Nike moves on, so it really doesn't effect any of us on here at all.


What you don't know is some of us have taken huge pay cuts. Myself.... I've taken a 75% pay hit in the last two years. So the comments about I'm chasing checks, cashing in, all that speculation... You really don't know.

FYI my "car money" comes from other places. Not just skateboarding. I'm diversified. I can ride the ups and downs of the skate waves. I speak my opinion because this shit matters to me. If there is no dream to become a "pro skater" for future generations.... Then I never get to share the feeling I have from become pro with anyone. Skateboarding from the business standpoint is allowing(allowed) itself to be bought.

I know that some professional riders have taken pay cuts. I don't know what your situation is exactly, and I never claimed to. I never said you were chasing a check. Quote somebody else on that.

I also never said a work about your "car money", so quote somebody else on that. I'm glad you're diversified. You'd have to be an idiot not to be at your age and with the shelf life of a professional skater (This is not a shot at you. You're above average, and you've done a lot to stay relevant. Professional skateboarding is short-term, so you have to diversify or look for stable passive income).

The skateboard industry created a dependency on Nike and Nike's income. Not us. And that's why aspects of the industry at under Nike's influence. Not us.

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Re: Fallen Footwear
« Reply #241 on: April 13, 2016, 02:08:04 PM »
I have to go to the grocery store on my way home from work and am wondering if anyone wants to tell me what I should buy there too.

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« Reply #242 on: April 13, 2016, 02:13:24 PM »
The whole "fuck nike" thing has been around for awhile but it seemed pointless.

It's starting to look like the movement is really gaining traction with notable people speaking out. This is exciting. How cool would it be if skateboarders took skateboarding back? Nike done fucked up by thinking they could just have everyone on their team and nothing would happen. Skateboarders are fucking over it now.

History will be made when someone quits Nike. All we need is for it to be really considered Kook-y to wear Nikes which it is already starting to be. The timing sucks though because we are losing all our shoe companies before we can tear down Nike.

We need to start making fun of people who are wearing Nikes, like people who push Mongo. Call out your bro's wearing them.
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Re: Fallen Footwear
« Reply #243 on: April 13, 2016, 02:14:51 PM »
All we need is for it to be really considered Kook-y to wear Nikes which it is already starting to be. The timing sucks though because we are losing all our shoe companies before we can tear down Nike.

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Re: Fallen Footwear
« Reply #245 on: April 13, 2016, 02:28:27 PM »
I said it on the last Fuck Nike thread, and I'm saying it here. If the shops are getting fucked over by Nike, then the shops need to quit buying Nike rider hard goods. It will matter.

thats the worst idea ever and would only help to sink small shops while the chain/mall stores survived.  tell a shop NOT to sell Grant Taylor AH boards, or Ishod/Brock Real boards, Prod/Shane Primitive boards, Worrest Krooked boards, Malto Girl boards, etc. etc. etc. 

C'mon man, you don't HONESTLY think that's a good idea. 
It's about validation. If core shops banded together and said that these riders are bad for core skating, then the pros brands would take a hit. I bet the pros would lobby Nike to be less bullying to shops. Every one of those pros had a shop sponsor that hooked them up at first. Pros don't want to be a joke in shops. If you ran your shop right, had the support of other shops, this could create change. Core shops need to create alliances for other reasons as well. Why not band together and take it to the bully?

Pros want to pay their bills. Most of them could probably give a fuck what somebody at a shop thinks of them, joke or otherwise.

So your whole position is the core shops can send a message to Nike, or Adidas, that they won't support their riders' hardgoods (the smallest fucking margin in skateboarding) by not carrying a specific Nike rider's signature board, or brand as a whole?

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« Reply #246 on: April 13, 2016, 02:40:53 PM »
I said it on the last Fuck Nike thread, and I'm saying it here. If the shops are getting fucked over by Nike, then the shops need to quit buying Nike rider hard goods. It will matter.

thats the worst idea ever and would only help to sink small shops while the chain/mall stores survived.�  tell a shop NOT to sell Grant Taylor AH boards, or Ishod/Brock Real boards, Prod/Shane Primitive boards, Worrest Krooked boards, Malto Girl boards, etc. etc. etc.� 

C'mon man, you don't HONESTLY think that's a good idea.� 
It's about validation. If core shops banded together and said that these riders are bad for core skating, then the pros brands would take a hit. I bet the pros would lobby Nike to be less bullying to shops. Every one of those pros had a shop sponsor that hooked them up at first. Pros don't want to be a joke in shops. If you ran your shop right, had the support of other shops, this could create change. Core shops need to create alliances for other reasons as well. Why not band together and take it to the bully?

Pros want to pay their bills. Most of them could probably give a fuck what somebody at a shop thinks of them, joke or otherwise.

So your whole position is the core shops can send a message to Nike, or Adidas, that they won't support their riders' hardgoods (the smallest fucking margin in skateboarding) by not carrying a specific Nike rider's signature board, or brand as a whole?

Yeah, let's stick it to the shoe companies by not carrying a pro's board.  You DO realize how illogical that is, right?  You're not fucking over Nike, you're fucking over the skateboarder and the board companies. 
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Re: Fallen Footwear
« Reply #247 on: April 13, 2016, 02:54:07 PM »
I have to go to the grocery store on my way home from work and am wondering if anyone wants to tell me what I should buy there too.

I think Kroger would be considered core 

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« Reply #248 on: April 13, 2016, 03:04:59 PM »
I have to go to the grocery store on my way home from work and am wondering if anyone wants to tell me what I should buy there too.
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« Reply #249 on: April 13, 2016, 03:06:40 PM »
I have to go to the grocery store on my way home from work and am wondering if anyone wants to tell me what I should buy there too.
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Re: Fallen Footwear
« Reply #250 on: April 13, 2016, 03:07:01 PM »
I have to go to the grocery store on my way home from work and am wondering if anyone wants to tell me what I should buy there too.

I think Kroger would be considered core 
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« Reply #251 on: April 13, 2016, 03:13:26 PM »
It definitely sucks to see shoe brands ran by skaters go out of business but it looks like there'll be a new one soon, the newest issue of Transworld says Joe Castrucci and Kevin Furtado from Dekline are starting State footwear and may have Ben Gore, Kevin Coakley, and Christian Maalouf

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Re: Fallen Footwear
« Reply #252 on: April 13, 2016, 03:22:14 PM »
Let's protest in Beaverton with Brewce Martin and Andy Roy.

After that, Nike SB is done.



Made in China for pennies on the dollar.

The skate game is done. Core is gone.

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« Reply #253 on: April 13, 2016, 03:25:11 PM »
It definitely sucks to see shoe brands ran by skaters go out of business but it looks like there'll be a new one soon, the newest issue of Transworld says Joe Castrucci and Kevin Furtado from Dekline are starting State footwear and may have Ben Gore, Kevin Coakley, and Christian Maalouf
Damn that sounds sick. Hope the shoes aren't just vans/cons clones.
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« Reply #254 on: April 13, 2016, 03:27:33 PM »
From @the_skatenerd on Instagram:
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the_skatenerd This is an excerpt from @olsonstuff's new @thrashermag interview that I found quite disturbing, especially since I'm sure Alex knows the struggles of owning his own small company. First off, one of my favorite shoes of all time was the Rowley Classic made by Vans. I had skated dozens of them in the early 2000s and they definitely weren't of the highest quality when it came to durability. The reality is ALL companies make some great durable shoes and also some shit shoes. So to make a blanket statement saying the quality of corporate brands is night and day, is simply not true. Secondly, generalizing all skate shoes into the $80 category is misleading. @nikesb is the most expensive brand on the market with most of their shoes being in the $85 to $110 range, while a core skater-owned company like @etniesskateboarding or @esskateboarding has most of their shoes in the $55 to $75 range. There's definitely more bang for your buck with the core companies. Alex also claims that smaller brands can't get the type of quality as the corporate giants. Now, I ain't never seen a better Frontside Flip than @andrewreynolds and he's been doing them exclusively in @emerica's for practically two decades. Also, he's almost fucking 40 still jumping down shit, so the quality and protection for his feet doesn't seem to be an issue there. The reality is, the CEO of Nike alone has a net worth of 18.7 BILLION MOTHERFUCKING DOLLARS! They have the ability to advertise pretty much everywhere (including Alex's very comment in Thrasher) and they'll always beat the small guys when it comes to buying out team riders. Is it going to take Nike and co. to start making skateboards and kill off all the other board companies for people to wake up and realize these fuckers are just in it for the coin? In the end, Nike holds demos requiring their team riders to wear identical Nike jerseys. That's the epitome of what their company stands for. That's what you support when you buy their products...team jerseys. #UniformsAreForJocks

The thing is know were to point your product. Quality matters, but advertising matters even more. You need to get cool guys riding for you, the ones that make product move, appeal to whats hot and not pigeon hole yourself into one exclusive style. Nike apeal to all the skater types, thats why they are successful, Fallen did shoes for Hesh/rail guys, and that niche is over, there was no demand for them and they couldnt keep up with the trends so they eventually fell out. It's how things work now.
I could type for so long but i've been into some kind of battle against Dont Do It dudes on the facebook and i'm so over it. Hearing people say that your arent a true skateboarder if you dont stick with skater owned brands, now here i see people saying you should make fun of people for using Nike/adidas, skate shops should stop selling peoples boards if they are corporate riders... wtf?? Jesus, just buy what you like and what makes you feel better. At the end of the day skateboarding will continue his path...

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Re: Fallen Footwear
« Reply #255 on: April 13, 2016, 03:33:40 PM »
It definitely sucks to see shoe brands ran by skaters go out of business but it looks like there'll be a new one soon, the newest issue of Transworld says Joe Castrucci and Kevin Furtado from Dekline are starting State footwear and may have Ben Gore, Kevin Coakley, and Christian Maalouf
Damn that sounds sick. Hope the shoes aren't just vans/cons clones.

They are really good looking. A few good vulc and cupsole shoes in the first line. They also have Jon Nguyen and Jordan Sanchez
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Re: Fallen Footwear
« Reply #256 on: April 13, 2016, 03:55:44 PM »
It definitely sucks to see shoe brands ran by skaters go out of business but it looks like there'll be a new one soon, the newest issue of Transworld says Joe Castrucci and Kevin Furtado from Dekline are starting State footwear and may have Ben Gore, Kevin Coakley, and Christian Maalouf
Damn that sounds sick. Hope the shoes aren't just vans/cons clones.

They are really good looking. A few good vulc and cupsole shoes in the first line. They also have Jon Nguyen and Jordan Sanchez

Damn, i'm hyped for this!!

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« Reply #257 on: April 13, 2016, 04:00:24 PM »

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« Reply #258 on: April 13, 2016, 04:09:33 PM »
I feel bummed, back when the Slash shoe came out I thought it was the shit. I was stoked but my mom frowned upon it because of the pentagram, my aunt saw my mom and they both started barking at me about it. I was bummed because I liked them and their dislike of the pentagram only made them cooler. Maybe now I can find them on the low  :'(
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« Reply #259 on: April 13, 2016, 04:26:16 PM »
It definitely sucks to see shoe brands ran by skaters go out of business but it looks like there'll be a new one soon, the newest issue of Transworld says Joe Castrucci and Kevin Furtado from Dekline are starting State footwear and may have Ben Gore, Kevin Coakley, and Christian Maalouf
Damn that sounds sick. Hope the shoes aren't just vans/cons clones.

They are really good looking. A few good vulc and cupsole shoes in the first line. They also have Jon Nguyen and Jordan Sanchez

Fuck! This is sick as shit! Really?

Maybe it can just be the shoes from Habitat but not called Habitat?! So sick
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« Reply #260 on: April 13, 2016, 04:30:01 PM »
It definitely sucks to see shoe brands ran by skaters go out of business but it looks like there'll be a new one soon, the newest issue of Transworld says Joe Castrucci and Kevin Furtado from Dekline are starting State footwear and may have Ben Gore, Kevin Coakley, and Christian Maalouf
Damn that sounds sick. Hope the shoes aren't just vans/cons clones.

They are really good looking. A few good vulc and cupsole shoes in the first line. They also have Jon Nguyen and Jordan Sanchez

Fuck! This is sick as shit! Really?

Maybe it can just be the shoes from Habitat but not called Habitat?! So sick
it looks like this is a pair of them

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« Reply #261 on: April 13, 2016, 04:40:22 PM »
From @the_skatenerd on Instagram:


the_skatenerd This is an excerpt from @olsonstuff's new @thrashermag interview that I found quite disturbing, especially since I'm sure Alex knows the struggles of owning his own small company. First off, one of my favorite shoes of all time was the Rowley Classic made by Vans. I had skated dozens of them in the early 2000s and they definitely weren't of the highest quality when it came to durability. The reality is ALL companies make some great durable shoes and also some shit shoes. So to make a blanket statement saying the quality of corporate brands is night and day, is simply not true. Secondly, generalizing all skate shoes into the $80 category is misleading. @nikesb is the most expensive brand on the market with most of their shoes being in the $85 to $110 range, while a core skater-owned company like @etniesskateboarding or @esskateboarding has most of their shoes in the $55 to $75 range. There's definitely more bang for your buck with the core companies. Alex also claims that smaller brands can't get the type of quality as the corporate giants. Now, I ain't never seen a better Frontside Flip than @andrewreynolds and he's been doing them exclusively in @emerica's for practically two decades. Also, he's almost fucking 40 still jumping down shit, so the quality and protection for his feet doesn't seem to be an issue there. The reality is, the CEO of Nike alone has a net worth of 18.7 BILLION MOTHERFUCKING DOLLARS! They have the ability to advertise pretty much everywhere (including Alex's very comment in Thrasher) and they'll always beat the small guys when it comes to buying out team riders. Is it going to take Nike and co. to start making skateboards and kill off all the other board companies for people to wake up and realize these fuckers are just in it for the coin? In the end, Nike holds demos requiring their team riders to wear identical Nike jerseys. That's the epitome of what their company stands for. That's what you support when you buy their products...team jerseys. #UniformsAreForJocks

When I was reading this excerpt from his interview, i kept thinking about how untrue his response was. Perhaps an attempt to justify his situation, regardless of that, Olson's points are simply unfounded. I have been skating the Romero laced for months (55 bucks new) and they are fantastic. We keep talking about how the Nike takeover is just the result of capitalism, which is funny to me. Ideally you cannot "take over" a free market, but you can certainly control the consumers via saturating the industry by way of advertisement. We as skateboarders are forced to see the Nike ads, but we are not forced to purchase the product. Then again, if Nike received zero support from skateboarders they would still be able to comfortably exist in our world, we just wouldn't be cryin about it. 
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Re: Fallen Footwear
« Reply #262 on: April 13, 2016, 04:41:58 PM »
It definitely sucks to see shoe brands ran by skaters go out of business but it looks like there'll be a new one soon, the newest issue of Transworld says Joe Castrucci and Kevin Furtado from Dekline are starting State footwear and may have Ben Gore, Kevin Coakley, and Christian Maalouf
Damn that sounds sick. Hope the shoes aren't just vans/cons clones.

They are really good looking. A few good vulc and cupsole shoes in the first line. They also have Jon Nguyen and Jordan Sanchez

Fuck! This is sick as shit! Really?

Maybe it can just be the shoes from Habitat but not called Habitat?! So sick
it looks like this is a pair of them

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Re: Fallen Footwear
« Reply #263 on: April 13, 2016, 04:42:34 PM »
It definitely sucks to see shoe brands ran by skaters go out of business but it looks like there'll be a new one soon, the newest issue of Transworld says Joe Castrucci and Kevin Furtado from Dekline are starting State footwear and may have Ben Gore, Kevin Coakley, and Christian Maalouf
Damn that sounds sick. Hope the shoes aren't just vans/cons clones.

They are really good looking. A few good vulc and cupsole shoes in the first line. They also have Jon Nguyen and Jordan Sanchez

Fuck! This is sick as shit! Really?

Maybe it can just be the shoes from Habitat but not called Habitat?! So sick


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« Reply #264 on: April 13, 2016, 04:54:25 PM »
I've never bought a pair of Nike shoes before, never liked Nike even though I have to admit, some of their shoes look sick, and a lot of pros I like ride for the company. I don't buy Nike purely because of ethical reasons as stated by most in the thread, but at the same time, I've been guilty of buying CONS (owned by Nike) and a few pair of Adidas. I'm pretty much a hypocrite in this sense, I can't get over how well the few Cons and Adidas I've owned have skated.

Still, 70% of the shoes I buy have been skater owned, mostly Lakai, Etnies, Emerica and DC, they are just way cheaper. At the same time, I think most of these brands have been marketing themselves terribly, they don't fit the whole metropolitan skate vibe that seems to be popular nowadays. I think there's a reason why CONS and Adidas has such a grasp on me, their edits have been so on point and appealing, I don't see other shoe companies making any effort to appeal in the way they are, and that's a shame because the shoes can definitely compete in quality.

I think the people who worship Nike shoes are the type of people that are too scared to venture outside, and find other shoes that could work for them. I never ride the same shoe twice in a row, I like trying new things in the hopes of finding something new that I like, I could never skate 10 pairs of Janoski's in a row, that's way too boring.

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« Reply #265 on: April 13, 2016, 04:56:19 PM »
There is a simple fact of the matter. If skateboarders only supported skater owned brands, those brands would make enough money to pay big name pros. That's obvious. The weird thing to me is that skateboarders don't understand how fucking amazing it is to have the option to support skater owned shit. You think tennis players get to buy tennis player made balls? Soccer players wearing soccer player owned shin guards? No. Skateboarding was a community and because no one else made the shit we wanted we made it ourselves, and when someone figured it out, like Independent, Sole Tech, Toy Machine, we bought their shit and so we built an industry. We created an economy by skaters and for skaters. Nothing else is like that! Now it's slipping away.

Within a few year that has just stopped mattering to huge amounts of skateboarders. I don't know why, I have some guesses. Regardless, if we, the skateboarding community, don't stop giving money to people who don't give a fuck about skateboarding, except as a revenue source, the world skateboarders created will end. We'll just buy our shit at malls and sports stores.

This generation was given a world of skater owned and operated opportunities and options, and they will have thrown it away because Dunks are cool. There is no justification of corporate owned bullshit that stops it from being sad to see it go.

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Re: Fallen Footwear
« Reply #266 on: April 13, 2016, 05:07:32 PM »

Still, 70% of the shoes I buy have been skater owned, mostly Lakai, Etnies, Emerica and DC, they are just way cheaper. At the same time, I think most of these brands have been marketing themselves terribly, they don't fit the whole metropolitan skate vibe that seems to be popular nowadays. I think there's a reason why CONS and Adidas has such a grasp on me, their edits have been so on point and appealing, I don't see other shoe companies making any effort to appeal in the way they are, and that's a shame because the shoes can definitely compete in quality.

I think the people who worship Nike shoes are the type of people that are too scared to venture outside, and find other shoes that could work for them. I never ride the same shoe twice in a row, I like trying new things in the hopes of finding something new that I like, I could never skate 10 pairs of Janoski's in a row, that's way too boring.

There's an interesting point to be made from this quote. Why are skateboarders so susceptible to marketing nowadays? Regardless of the companies intentions behind the marketing (i.e cons trying to exploit the "metropolitan skate image") we as skateboarders seem to create these associations which are otherwise non existent. For example, you are more than capable of wearing a pair of Fallens with your dickie pants, carabiner, colorful griptape, krux trucks and bleached hair.   
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« Reply #267 on: April 13, 2016, 05:10:08 PM »
While on the subject of Nike riders Daryl Angel had some comments in thrasher I found really funny.


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« Reply #268 on: April 13, 2016, 05:28:59 PM »
I'm about to pile up and burn everything in my apartment that isn't skater owned...
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Re: Fallen Footwear
« Reply #269 on: April 13, 2016, 05:35:40 PM »
It definitely sucks to see shoe brands ran by skaters go out of business but it looks like there'll be a new one soon, the newest issue of Transworld says Joe Castrucci and Kevin Furtado from Dekline are starting State footwear and may have Ben Gore, Kevin Coakley, and Christian Maalouf
Damn that sounds sick. Hope the shoes aren't just vans/cons clones.

They are really good looking. A few good vulc and cupsole shoes in the first line. They also have Jon Nguyen and Jordan Sanchez

Fuck! This is sick as shit! Really?

Maybe it can just be the shoes from Habitat but not called Habitat?! So sick
it looks like this is a pair of them

HELLO!

http://statefootwear.com/
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