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Re: manolo tapes/ ben k beef?
« Reply #300 on: March 28, 2017, 04:04:07 PM »
The term skinhead and neo-nazi are being tossed around interchangeably - I know this has been touched on, but come on -

This kid shaved his head and is dressed like a punk. I had plenty of SHARP friends who dressed just like this - and if there was any racial altercation at shows, guess who showed up to back up any minorities being fucked with?

For being skaters 'open to all cultures' this is pretty embarrassing.

Don't get me wrong - I see where Manolo is coming from - but to me, (and I know this is an exaggerated example) that's like calling someone in a burka a terrorist - just because they're wearing something that often times falls inline with violent and extreme individuals, doesn't necessarily constitute its original intent or categorize everyone who wears one.

This! People need to read this and understand it.

The ignorance and hatred and stupidity in this thread is fucking mind boggling. Neo nazis appropriated the skinhead look. Not the other way around. Being a skinhead doesn't mean you're a neo nazi nor does looking like a skinhead. Dressing like a skinhead is not giving out the image that you're a neo nazi any more than dressing in some muslim robe and hat is giving out the image that you're a terrorist.

If you are a person who sees a skinhead and thinks he's certainly a neo nazi, you're the one being an ignorant judgemental idiot, not the other person. Same goes for the muslim thing. Stop being idiots people. Stop being ignorant. Stop being so god damn judgemental. FFS!

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WHY THE FUCK IS IT OTHER PEOPLE'S RESPONSIBILITY TO LIKE OR RESEARCH YOUR FASHION STYLE?
Stop playing the oppressed teenager role. People judge you based on how you dress, that's just reality. Its not like racism, sexism, religious oppression or anything like that.
Grow the fuck up baby. People judge you based on how you present yourself and all the crybaby bullshit in the world won't change that.

in other news, women who get raped while wearing short skirts probably deserved it

holy fuck u are dumb. do you even realize what you're saying with this?
   

telling people that they deserve whatever happens to them because of the clothes they're trying to wear?  i think that sounds a lot dumber
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Re: manolo tapes/ ben k beef?
« Reply #301 on: March 28, 2017, 04:08:43 PM »
the comparison is completely flawed and stupid. who wore originally short skirts? and why was it ok to rape that certain group?

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Re: manolo tapes/ ben k beef?
« Reply #302 on: March 28, 2017, 04:12:32 PM »
its not you fucknut.  a lot of the arguments here sound eerily like rape-apologist bullshit. "you should know what you're getting into dressing like that".  fuck outta here with that shit

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Re: manolo tapes/ ben k beef?
« Reply #303 on: March 28, 2017, 04:16:52 PM »
I guess i need to clarify something here cause people are taking sides and it's a misunderstanding,
since my original comment was about a general look and NOT ben K.
I phrased it wrong in the comment but i wasn't talking about him or what he thinks, just the clothing/shaved head.

i was flipping through my feed on instagram saw the picture of a supreme kid, i actually had no idea who it was.. wearing what to me 
reminds me of nazi skinheads from the 80's 90's,.. posted i wouldn't like to see that look getting popular in skateboarding, cause it
became associated over the 80's with white supremacists. that's it. people read it wrong, probably told Ben someone was calling him adolph hitler and internet made the rest as usual.

I have no beef with that guy, my comment was ambigous and people read fast,
he got riled up that's understandable but be careful, most people and in the general culture in the world associates
skinheads with the white pride retards. Don't go on tour in Israel dressed like that...


And for everybody who keep acting like this look is ABSOLUTELY and in no way possible visually mistakable for nazi skinheads...
there you go:




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Re: manolo tapes/ ben k beef?
« Reply #304 on: March 28, 2017, 04:22:15 PM »
that's like saying a Sikh shouldn't wear a turban because it makes him look like a terrorist

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Re: manolo tapes/ ben k beef?
« Reply #305 on: March 28, 2017, 04:25:44 PM »
no it's not......

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Re: manolo tapes/ ben k beef?
« Reply #306 on: March 28, 2017, 04:27:00 PM »
that's like saying a Sikh shouldn't wear a turban because it makes him look like a terrorist

I'm not responsible for terrorists or neo nazis using the dress code of another cultural group.

The world is full of people that aren't familiar with punk rock subcultural way of dressing.

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« Reply #307 on: March 28, 2017, 04:29:16 PM »
U needa pack a toast ta go up in FA terrtiory. That was a threat. Ben savage, he dont play, he gon callk them young FA niggas to blast you.  Dat nigga hold rank in FA game.

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« Reply #308 on: March 28, 2017, 04:29:48 PM »
NONE OF THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF YOU JUST SAID HE LOOKED LIKE A SHAVED TESTICLE

*not my line, someone else said it on slap before but i agree with that person

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Re: manolo tapes/ ben k beef?
« Reply #309 on: March 28, 2017, 04:32:05 PM »
this thread:


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Re: manolo tapes/ ben k beef?
« Reply #310 on: March 28, 2017, 04:38:25 PM »
^we started getting into that ass and that's why this is still going
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Re: manolo tapes/ ben k beef?
« Reply #311 on: March 28, 2017, 04:40:53 PM »
Internet death threats, nice.

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Re: manolo tapes/ ben k beef?
« Reply #312 on: March 28, 2017, 06:55:22 PM »


"manolostapesTruly hope this neo nazi shit does not become a popular trend in skateboarding"

what a stupid fucking thing to say.?  he deserves to get shit on for this.

We exist in the era where everyone sees MUH NAZIS around every corner, because now, anything that isn't what the beholder likes to see is 100% pure Hitler reincarnate. 

It's to the point where someone will accuse a dude who keeps his head shaved from going bald a Nazi because it's fashionable.  So, next time you see a guy with no hair or someone wearing Doc Martens, go tell them they're worse than Hitler, it's your civic duty.

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Re: manolo tapes/ ben k beef?
« Reply #313 on: March 28, 2017, 09:22:10 PM »
its not you fucknut.  a lot of the arguments here sound eerily like rape-apologist bullshit. "you should know what you're getting into dressing like that".  fuck outta here with that shit

No it's not. Being mistaken for a neo nazi and literally getting raped are not the same thing so stop acting like it is.

that's like saying a Sikh shouldn't wear a turban because it makes him look like a terrorist

Again, no it's not. People who mistake others with turbans or burqas as terrorists are racists. There are like 3 million muslims in the US alone, and people call them terrorists because of the acts of a dozen people. They treat people differently due to an unfair comparison.

There are very large groups of people who openly look like skinheads (shaved head tucked in shirt combat boots) and are aggressive in their racist/anti semetic actions. You must realize these people are the ones who are most closely associated with this look (especially in the US), so if an average person feels uncomfortable around them and assume they are indeed a neo nazi it shouldn't be a surprise. Even the non-racist skinheads are known for being a militant group, which typically makes people uncomfortable.

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Re: manolo tapes/ ben k beef?
« Reply #314 on: March 28, 2017, 09:48:43 PM »
its not you fucknut.  a lot of the arguments here sound eerily like rape-apologist bullshit. "you should know what you're getting into dressing like that".  fuck outta here with that shit

No it's not. Being mistaken for a neo nazi and literally getting raped are not the same thing so stop acting like it is.

that's like saying a Sikh shouldn't wear a turban because it makes him look like a terrorist

Again, no it's not. People who mistake others with turbans or burqas as terrorists are racists. There are like 3 million muslims in the US alone, and people call them terrorists because of the acts of a dozen people. They treat people differently due to an unfair comparison.

There are very large groups of people who openly look like skinheads (shaved head tucked in shirt combat boots) and are aggressive in their racist/anti semetic actions. You must realize these people are the ones who are most closely associated with this look (especially in the US), so if an average person feels uncomfortable around them and assume they are indeed a neo nazi it shouldn't be a surprise. Even the non-racist skinheads are known for being a militant group, which typically makes people uncomfortable.
People seriously comparing religious attire with the ability to dress like Edward Norton in American History X have lost touch with reality.

The ironic part is, most terrorists when they commit acts of Terror go out of their way to not dress like arabs, whereas Neo-Nazi's who go out bashing absolutely dress like Ben K. Does it make it fair to judge him, probably not. But they are worlds apart. There is a massive difference between people born into a religious culture, and people willingly engaging in a sub-culture. To try and draw a parallel is overly simplistic.
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Re: manolo tapes/ ben k beef?
« Reply #315 on: March 28, 2017, 09:52:49 PM »
someone photoshop a man bun on him and end this thread

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« Reply #316 on: March 28, 2017, 10:07:52 PM »
Manolo going for attention now or what? First Ben now posting photos of neo nazis. Go skate bro

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« Reply #317 on: March 28, 2017, 10:09:15 PM »
how in the fuck did this thread go 11 pages?

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« Reply #318 on: March 28, 2017, 10:15:49 PM »
how in the fuck did this thread go 11 pages?

this is peak Slap

one part skater talking
one part fashion discussion
one part political discourse
one part photo shop
one part Gipper against the world

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« Reply #319 on: March 28, 2017, 10:31:57 PM »
how in the fuck did this thread go 11 pages?

this is peak Slap

one part skater talking
one part fashion discussion
one part political discourse
one part photo shop
one part Gipper against the world

Someone give this guy a gnar ^

Wonder how many times Ben K has been fucked with because of the skinhead look.

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Re: manolo tapes/ ben k beef?
« Reply #320 on: March 28, 2017, 10:35:50 PM »
Internet death threats, nice.

You're fucking kidding, right? Jesus...

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Re: manolo tapes/ ben k beef?
« Reply #321 on: March 28, 2017, 10:42:09 PM »
death threats are not too far off from aligning some kid with nazi-ism.

That Ron Regan dipshit loves to throw around accusations when it suits him. the "people shouldn't have to do research" argument is invalid because the hateful shit he's espousing is based on his own (albeit limited) research of what a neo-nazi looks like.

Bottom line some young kid puts some clothes on and shaves his head and people allude to him being a hate monger. If that isn't hate mongering in itself, I don't know what is.

I've hung out w/ Ben. he's a nice boy and has every right to be upset over people associating him with hate groups especially in these times. I guess compassion is relative.

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« Reply #322 on: March 28, 2017, 10:46:37 PM »

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« Reply #323 on: March 28, 2017, 10:51:08 PM »
More like:

Bottom line some young kid puts some clothes on and shaves his head and people allude to him being dressing like a a hate monger.

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« Reply #324 on: March 28, 2017, 10:54:43 PM »
More like:

Bottom line some young kid puts some clothes on and shaves his head and people allude to him being dressing like a a hate monger.

i know u think you're clever but at most he's "dressing similar to a hate monger". Any thru line connection is clearly drawn by your own hateful projecting self.

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« Reply #325 on: March 28, 2017, 10:58:29 PM »
More like:

Bottom line some young kid puts some clothes on and shaves his head and people allude to him being dressing like a a hate monger.

i know u think you're clever but at most he's "dressing similar to a hate monger". Any thru line connection is clearly drawn by your own hateful projecting self.

Now you're splitting hairs between "dressing like" and "dressing similar to"? yeah ok

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« Reply #326 on: March 28, 2017, 11:03:21 PM »
More like:

Bottom line some young kid puts some clothes on and shaves his head and people allude to him being dressing like a a hate monger.

i know u think you're clever but at most he's "dressing similar to a hate monger". Any thru line connection is clearly drawn by your own hateful projecting self.

Now you're splitting hairs between "dressing like" and "dressing similar to"? yeah ok

I do agree w/ you that arguing semantics is typically bullshit but it's poignant in this instance. Dressing "like" someone is taken in the Halloween costume veign. Ie: it's implied that you're trying to be like that person. When dressing "similar to" a group is totally circumstantial ie: Just cause racists adopted New Balances doesn't mean anyone that wears New Balance sneakers is racist.

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« Reply #327 on: March 28, 2017, 11:08:54 PM »
Best part of all of this is skateboarding has truly become everything it once used to be against:

- being judgmental
- wanting to dissect everything about someone's appearance so more judgment can be cast and accusations can be made
- being ready to stereotype based on appearance
- being upset if someone dares to look remotely like someone you don't like for any reason whatsoever
- being cool to look for any far-fetched reason to try and align someone with something you hate because of their appearance
- being totally up for ganging up on anyone who doesn't fit the mold of acceptability
- chastising and shaming those who don't "look acceptable" regardless of reason for being different

Not that skateboarders haven't been petty and judgmental since the dawn of time, but holy fuck, so many of us truly became the same fucking jocks we rallied against for years, funny how that which was once "counterculture" can't handle anyone going against the grain now.

Skateboarding is fun, skateboarders can be fucking retards. ? Precisely why I've done it 100% alone for the past decade. ? There's nothing "punk rock" left any longer, this game takes itself way too fucking seriously now.

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« Reply #328 on: March 28, 2017, 11:12:32 PM »
Quote from: D. Bag  link=topic=94872.msg2625777#msg2625777 date=1490767734
Best part of all of this is skateboarding has truly become everything it once used to be against:

- being judgmental
- wanting to dissect everything about someone's appearance so more judgment can be cast and accusations can be made
- being ready to stereotype based on appearance
- being upset if someone dares to look remotely like someone you don't like for any reason whatsoever
- being cool to look for any far-fetched reason to try and align someone with something you hate because of their appearance
- being totally up for ganging up on anyone who doesn't fit the mold of acceptability
- chastising and shaming those who don't "look acceptable" regardless of reason for being different

Not that skateboarders haven't been petty and judgmental since the dawn of time, but holy fuck, so many of us truly became the same fucking jocks we rallied against for years, funny how that which was once "counterculture" can't handle anyone going against the grain now.

Skateboarding is fun, skateboarders can be fucking retards. ? Precisely why I've done it 100% alone for the past decade. ? There's nothing "punk rock" left any longer, this game takes itself way too fucking seriously now.

This.

i know there's a lot of displaced anger in the world and I get that u gotta do something with it but if you can't consider for a second that some kid found a style he liked and then was hurt because other people projected that anger onto him, who are you really helping?

it's a witch hunt and it's not ok.

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« Reply #329 on: March 28, 2017, 11:32:46 PM »
Well holy fuck did this thread go sideways