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Re: Suciu Cross Continental vs PJ WHL
« Reply #30 on: June 11, 2017, 08:40:46 PM »
the two modern tech savant street game changer parts.

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Re: Suciu Cross Continental vs PJ WHL
« Reply #31 on: June 11, 2017, 08:41:31 PM »
Both great but no one can forget PJ in WHL. Mark's part was unreal but beside a handful of others, PJ was head and shoulders next level.

Zered in Vicious Cycle is a more fair assessment, closer time frame. I could talk about this stuff forever but I've watched Suciu's part twice the second being right now, and PJ's over 10 times.

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Re: Suciu Cross Continental vs PJ WHL
« Reply #32 on: June 11, 2017, 09:37:38 PM »
Pj Ladd made me believe that skateboarding was magic, and I'd been skating ten years when that part came out. Suciu's various parts have pretty much just been a testament to the fact that magic is a farce, tricks played on the willingly ignorant. There will never be another PJ, including PJ, just as there will never be another Penny. Skateboarding can never be amazing again. Good news is that it's still pretty fun to do I guess.

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Re: Suciu Cross Continental vs PJ WHL
« Reply #33 on: June 12, 2017, 01:27:57 AM »
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Re: Suciu Cross Continental vs PJ WHL
« Reply #34 on: June 12, 2017, 04:13:01 AM »
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one thing i always thought really made PJ's part in WHL what it was, in addition to the phenomenal tech skating, is the vibe of the spots he was skating. i have never been to boston so i wouldn't really know, but watching that part (which i still do a lot, it's fascinated me ever since it first came out) it just transpires that he's mostly skating local spots, on which he looks totally familiar with the terrain which more often than not looks rugged as fuck. he goes really fast the whole time too, does all those shifty flip tricks that kind of look like a tech extension of oyola's style. he has that city skating vibe going on all the while doing fucked up hard tricks, which are seldom seen in such settings and consequently look all the more impressive and rad. that plus the typical rugged skate rat look, it's really easy as the average skater (especially of that era) to project themselves in the dirty hoodies or identify with the worn-out shoes - it just feels a lot more like what we all know, the basic struggles of street skating, except the way PJ 'street skates' is out of this world. skating was never the same after PJ's part dropped, and in a way it pioneered the tech ledge and flatground movement then displayed by the likes of mike mo, then cory kennedy then shane o neil, except i never thought any of them ever matched WHL PJ in terms of flavor. the way i see it, suciu's part was a good part by a really good skater, but PJ's contribution to the culture really changed the game
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i remember seeing the video at the local shop back then and the guys all were like " it's only a shop video but that guy makes all the pros look so bad- yes, he is that fucked up good!" but when i saw that part i could not and still cannot believe. don't get me wrong i am a huge fan of sucius skating but you just cannot match the impact of PJs part back then.....wich had the advantage of still being filmed in an era before youtube and shit. i still think that sucius SABOTAGE 3 part is his most definate part though above cross continental.

the epoch the video came out is actually a very good point to bring up, for several reasons. it was pre-youtube as you rightfully said, back when local full-lengths and shop videos still mattered to the majority of skaters as long as they had any sort of quality to them (something i find is still a thing, but has been diluting ever since the epoch where the big corporations started to explicitly take over and, more generally, exploiting the internet as a massive marketing tool gradually became the main thing to do with it). it came out at a time when we weren't being massively overwhelmed with information and 'content' yet, so it was easier to focus on individual projects and outputs.

moreover, i feel like the industry still felt kind of 'ours' back then - although some questionable shifts were happening already, in reality topics such as the x-games, or extreme sports groups purchasing skate brands were most suburban soul skaters' biggest worries at the time - gear manufactured by outside corporations were less of an option (whereas nowadays, is it fair to ponder if, realistically and outside of our demographic, it's become the average kid's go-to ?). case in point, it was probably easier then for the average skater in general to relate to what felt like our common dirty secret - secret society insider shit - and PJ's skate rat personality as portrayed in WHL totally embodied that vibe. it may have been one of the strongest cultural contributions (of its time, at least) to make the average skater feel like they belonged to something special, thereby enhancing the effect of the obviously incredible skating.

and that being said, at the same time the digital age actually really was just around the corner and as far as i recall, the video was one of the first ever to benefit from the worldwide exposure inherent to being massively shared on p2p networks such as emule, kazaa, soulseek, limewire... back when not just about everything and anything was being shared (or even filmed with cell phones in the first place). i don't know how all of you first got to see WHL in the first place, but from what i saw here in europe most everyone would download it from there, some actively going out of their way to look it up upon reading about it in the most up-to-date of the few skate magazines we had, others just because it was one of the hot files sitting there right next to, say, classic vids such as questionable and video days, as well as the few randomly popular clips of the time, like that now ancient eric koston vs. paul rodriguez flatground game of skate, or 'the blowjob video' in a pre-free-porn-streaming era. it was a pretty convenient film to find, before the internet got flooded so even in those regards, it really came out at the right time.

sorry for the wall of text, but that particular video part represents a key time period in skateboarding for me, it changed the way i looked at it at the time so obviously it is going to be one of my favorite things to nerd out on despite its age (which is an argument i think is irrelevant in skateboarding anyway - great skateboarding is timeless, only trends come and go). funny to hear about people going out of their way to learn 360 flips after it dropped, i did the same thing, with nollie 360 flips too. and in general it just influenced me to try and make my lines more frantic for a brief moment - putting more tricks into them, popping a new one sooner after landing the former one, quickly shifting my feet. may be a stretch but i'm now starting to ponder if that part alone might have had an effect on the general pace of pro's lines at the time ? like the rhythm at which they were doing tricks as opposed to just flowing in between them (think donger or SF skaters for a vulgarization of what i mean). as though long lines with little tech action were suddenly being thought of as boring. again, trends...
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Re: Suciu Cross Continental vs PJ WHL
« Reply #35 on: June 12, 2017, 04:58:23 AM »
Suicu had a better front shuv at pulaski than Puig
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Re: Suciu Cross Continental vs PJ WHL
« Reply #36 on: June 12, 2017, 05:08:20 AM »
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Re: Suciu Cross Continental vs PJ WHL
« Reply #37 on: June 12, 2017, 05:09:47 AM »
When PJWHL came out, I was skating the most in my life and skateboarding media was not as saturated as now, so it had an incredible impact on my skateboarding. He also skated relatable spots, so that helped. Looking back on that part now it seems a lot less impressive, but enjoyable still.

I just rewatched Suciu's part and shit is insane, so the question is not out of line. But by 2012, video parts already became a commodity and get forget easily, so he never god the same chance as PJ. The sheer breadth of his skills in that part is amazing. He skates everything and kills it.


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Re: Suciu Cross Continental vs PJ WHL
« Reply #38 on: June 12, 2017, 05:43:16 AM »
Is this a question of a better "coming into their own" parts or respective sphere of influence? PJ wins on both, especially considering the current trend of skateboarding at that time, but that Mark Suciu part may have been the last widely watched single part, before Thrasher started posting three parts a day -- almost a pre-web clip web part, in a way. He clearly put a lot of thought into the preparation and execution of his part, which is rad and makes it stand out much more.

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Re: Suciu Cross Continental vs PJ WHL
« Reply #39 on: June 12, 2017, 06:28:03 AM »
Just rewatched both videos, you can't compare Suciu's spots and tricks selection to PJ.
There are too much flatgroud tricks for me in PJ's part (how many nollie heel shifty ?) and same spot three or four times...

Suciu's skating is like he is finding the right trick for the right spot.
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Re: Suciu Cross Continental vs PJ WHL
« Reply #40 on: June 12, 2017, 07:57:15 AM »
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Suicu had a better front shuv at pulaski than Puig
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Re: Suciu Cross Continental vs PJ WHL
« Reply #41 on: June 12, 2017, 02:38:43 PM »
Not sure how these two parts are comparable. I love Suciu's skating and that part, but how many parts have had the impact of PJLWHL?

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Re: Suciu Cross Continental vs PJ WHL
« Reply #42 on: June 12, 2017, 04:28:15 PM »
Is this a question of a better "coming into their own" parts or respective sphere of influence? PJ wins on both, especially considering the current trend of skateboarding at that time, but that Mark Suciu part may have been the last widely watched single part, before Thrasher started posting three parts a day -- almost a pre-web clip web part, in a way. He clearly put a lot of thought into the preparation and execution of his part, which is rad and makes it stand out much more.



that's where i was going, you framed the question better than me.

zered was mentioned as well. just parts that someone is so passionately on a killing spree, and clearly not filmed over 5 years like a crailtap part or even AVE in vans.

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Re: Suciu Cross Continental vs PJ WHL
« Reply #43 on: June 12, 2017, 04:37:01 PM »
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Re: Suciu Cross Continental vs PJ WHL
« Reply #44 on: June 12, 2017, 05:07:21 PM »
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Is this a question of a better "coming into their own" parts or respective sphere of influence? PJ wins on both, especially considering the current trend of skateboarding at that time, but that Mark Suciu part may have been the last widely watched single part, before Thrasher started posting three parts a day -- almost a pre-web clip web part, in a way. He clearly put a lot of thought into the preparation and execution of his part, which is rad and makes it stand out much more.


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that's where i was going, you framed the question better than me.

zered was mentioned as well. just parts that someone is so passionately on a killing spree, and clearly not filmed over 5 years like a crailtap part or even AVE in vans.

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Zered is a great example, as is Jake Johnson in Mind Field (as someone previously mentioned). The first two that popped to mind for me were Dylan's solo part and Jerry Hsu in Bag of Suck.
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Re: Suciu Cross Continental vs PJ WHL
« Reply #45 on: June 12, 2017, 05:56:04 PM »
Everyone killed it in WHL, but there is no denying that's the best part ever released In a shop video.

That part was beyond fucked. Nbds left right front and center.

First time I watched it he was shitting on pros, suicu not so much. His trick selection and talent is obviously next level, but it's never been close to PJs impact.

It's also weird that PJs first part was by far his best. How do you match that?

Suicu is incredible, I love watching his footy, but it's nowhere near pj. Only one close in recent times is Corey Kennedy. And pj still takes it imo
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« Reply #46 on: June 13, 2017, 01:46:59 AM »
Suciu Cross Continental was holy shit rad!

PJ WHL was holy fuck fucking shit rad!

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Re: Suciu Cross Continental vs PJ WHL
« Reply #47 on: June 13, 2017, 02:04:25 AM »
4 minute video parts don't come out of nowhere anymore now that every single thing kids film goes on Instagram as soon as possible. I can't see another part impacting skating as heavily as PJ did in WHL. Watching an unknown kid from Boston do tricks no one had seen since the Plan B era 90's in lines on those windowsills was like nothing else. And he's just having so much fun and doesn't seem to know or care about California at all. It still stokes me out.
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Re: Suciu Cross Continental vs PJ WHL
« Reply #49 on: June 13, 2017, 02:40:14 AM »
when pj's part came out i was in uni, everyone was talking about it and we had it playing in the vcr for at least the remaining time of the semester. Like, the video actually playing non stop for a few months in a student house. we did not watch anything else for a while.
when Suciu's part came out i totally freaked out and forwarded the vid to all my friends. Kept talking about the clip for a few months.

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Re: Suciu Cross Continental vs PJ WHL
« Reply #50 on: June 13, 2017, 06:16:58 AM »
P-rod street cinema is most influential than PJ WHL.

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Re: Suciu Cross Continental vs PJ WHL
« Reply #51 on: June 13, 2017, 08:26:31 AM »
P-rod street cinema is most influential than PJ WHL.

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question is, do you prefer the VHS part or the DVD recut version of WHL? - slight variations in there

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Re: Suciu Cross Continental vs PJ WHL
« Reply #52 on: June 13, 2017, 09:25:53 AM »
Dont forget that PJ said Suciu was one of his favorite skaters (before he blew up) on a text yo self on the berrics and it dramatically helped his career.


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Re: Suciu Cross Continental vs PJ WHL
« Reply #53 on: June 13, 2017, 03:54:57 PM »
Alexis Sablone killed it in WHL, so did King of Freestyle
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« Reply #54 on: June 13, 2017, 04:09:55 PM »
It was kind of crazy at the time being a New Englander when PJ WHL came out, because I think in the back of our minds we knew something was incredibly fucking special there, and we championed him as one of our own, but I don't know that we fully realized he would usher in this whole new era of street skating.

The impact of that video was huge! Absolutely monstrous! I feel like when you watch some of the ridiculous flip trickery nonsense when you watch BATB, it owes itself in a large part to the savant consistency PJ applied in that video.

Mike Mo is essentially leftover primordial matter from when model. 1 PJ was master crafted.
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« Reply #55 on: June 13, 2017, 04:12:58 PM »
so did southie and cutthroat colin fiske.
on the way to somerville to watch the screening we seen pj skating the windowsills [i don't know why we cut through financial to get to damn somerville but we did]. dude was so non-rockstar, skate rat while a few hours later a video w/ his name on it is playing.
shit, he might have still been skating windowsills while the movie played for all i know. i wanna say baby schizo was filming the movie screen like a 90s bootleg.
pj> everything before or after.

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Re: Suciu Cross Continental vs PJ WHL
« Reply #56 on: June 13, 2017, 04:21:26 PM »
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« Reply #57 on: June 13, 2017, 04:21:38 PM »
so did southie and cutthroat colin fiske.
on the way to somerville to watch the screening we seen pj skating the windowsills [i don't know why we cut through financial to get to damn somerville but we did]. dude was so non-rockstar, skate rat while a few hours later a video w/ his name on it is playing.
shit, he might have still been skating windowsills while the movie played for all i know. i wanna say baby schizo was filming the movie screen like a 90s bootleg.
pj> everything before or after.

PJ was probably most def was skating those windowsills while minds were being blown

Even if that's sheer legend, that's the mysterious legacy PJ deserves.

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Re: Suciu Cross Continental vs PJ WHL
« Reply #58 on: June 13, 2017, 11:34:29 PM »
Suciu duh, this is 2017.

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Re: Suciu Cross Continental vs PJ WHL
« Reply #59 on: June 14, 2017, 12:44:20 AM »
It was kind of crazy at the time being a New Englander when PJ WHL came out, because I think in the back of our minds we knew something was incredibly fucking special there, and we championed him as one of our own, but I don't know that we fully realized he would usher in this whole new era of street skating.

The impact of that video was huge! Absolutely monstrous! I feel like when you watch some of the ridiculous flip trickery nonsense when you watch BATB, it owes itself in a large part to the savant consistency PJ applied in that video.

Mike Mo is essentially leftover primordial matter from when model. 1 PJ was master crafted.

What was so cool about this video was getting the VHS, inviting friends over bc that's the only way to see it, and then waiting for them to overcome their skepticism and watch their minds being blown.   I think people maybe don't remember the time when videos/parts were rare and game changing parts ever rarer.  I'm not sure if this caused it, but it at least added to the 00s Accel resurgence and helped baggies pants skaters feel better as pants were nearing peak tightness