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« Reply #30 on: November 10, 2017, 02:27:21 PM »
israel stole the folks nation symbol.
symbols cannot be created nor destroyed, only repurposed.
that indian was prolly a nazi, don't let him pull your leg
http://rlawellness.wikispaces.com/file/view/folk_nation/223060286/289x211/folk_nation

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« Reply #31 on: November 10, 2017, 02:33:22 PM »
israel stole the folks nation symbol.
symbols cannot be created nor destroyed, only repurposed.
that indian was prolly a nazi, don't let him pull your leg
http://rlawellness.wikispaces.com/file/view/folk_nation/223060286/289x211/folk_nation

I'm pretty certain he wasn't a Nazi. When I confronted him about it and said the word 'Hitler' he was really scared. His English wasn't great but as soon as I said that he said he would take it down. I don't think a nazi would do that?

Funnily enough, this was in a really multicultural part of Melbourne where a pretty famous skinhead movie was filmed

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« Reply #32 on: November 10, 2017, 02:34:29 PM »
I have only just recently learned that that swastika logo isn't just associated with Nazis, but before then was actually used in India for completely different reasons.

I know this because I saw a swastika above the cash register at an Indian supermarket so I asked the guy why it was there. It raises a good question: Is it okay for them to use it if they were completely unaware of how it was used throughout WW2? The worker didn't know it had anything to do with Hitler.

I think in Australia in 2017, the swastika is primarily associated with killing jews so ummmm fuck no we shouldn't use it, even if you are unaware. Not in a public place at least.
So you're saying a symbol that has been around for thousands of years can't be displayed by someone from the culture it originates from because it was appropriated by Nazis? Ok man. You should go back there and tell him that.

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« Reply #33 on: November 10, 2017, 02:35:36 PM »
israel stole the folks nation symbol.
symbols cannot be created nor destroyed, only repurposed.
that indian was prolly a nazi, don't let him pull your leg
http://rlawellness.wikispaces.com/file/view/folk_nation/223060286/289x211/folk_nation

I'm pretty certain he wasn't a Nazi. When I confronted him about it and said the word 'Hitler' he was really scared. His English wasn't great but as soon as I said that he said he would take it down. I don't think a nazi would do that?

Funnily enough, this was in a really multicultural part of Melbourne where a pretty famous skinhead movie was filmed
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« Reply #34 on: November 10, 2017, 02:38:21 PM »
Swastiker's only offensive if you use the er

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« Reply #35 on: November 10, 2017, 02:41:20 PM »
I have only just recently learned that that swastika logo isn't just associated with Nazis, but before then was actually used in India for completely different reasons.

I know this because I saw a swastika above the cash register at an Indian supermarket so I asked the guy why it was there. It raises a good question: Is it okay for them to use it if they were completely unaware of how it was used throughout WW2? The worker didn't know it had anything to do with Hitler.

I think in Australia in 2017, the swastika is primarily associated with killing jews so ummmm fuck no we shouldn't use it, even if you are unaware. Not in a public place at least.
So you're saying a symbol that has been around for thousands of years can't be displayed by someone from the culture it originates from because it was appropriated by Nazis? Ok man. You should go back there and tell him that.

No what I mean is that you can't just use these symbols as you please hence why I said 'not in a public place at least'

Would it be okay for this guy to wear a swastika in a Jewish community? No. Would it be okay to use in India? Yeah, probably.

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« Reply #36 on: November 10, 2017, 02:47:14 PM »
I have only just recently learned that that swastika logo isn't just associated with Nazis, but before then was actually used in India for completely different reasons.

I know this because I saw a swastika above the cash register at an Indian supermarket so I asked the guy why it was there. It raises a good question: Is it okay for them to use it if they were completely unaware of how it was used throughout WW2? The worker didn't know it had anything to do with Hitler.

I think in Australia in 2017, the swastika is primarily associated with killing jews so ummmm fuck no we shouldn't use it, even if you are unaware. Not in a public place at least.
So you're saying a symbol that has been around for thousands of years can't be displayed by someone from the culture it originates from because it was appropriated by Nazis? Ok man. You should go back there and tell him that.

No what I mean is that you can't just use these symbols as you please hence why I said 'not in a public place at least'

Would it be okay for this guy to wear a swastika in a Jewish community? No. Would it be okay to use in India? Yeah, probably.

Footscray btw

Nah man. If it originated from his culture that's his right. It's your and everyone else's job to do your research and not make assumptions. Buddy doesn't have to explain shit if he doesn't want to.
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« Reply #37 on: November 10, 2017, 02:54:18 PM »
I have only just recently learned that that swastika logo isn't just associated with Nazis, but before then was actually used in India for completely different reasons.

I know this because I saw a swastika above the cash register at an Indian supermarket so I asked the guy why it was there. It raises a good question: Is it okay for them to use it if they were completely unaware of how it was used throughout WW2? The worker didn't know it had anything to do with Hitler.

I think in Australia in 2017, the swastika is primarily associated with killing jews so ummmm fuck no we shouldn't use it, even if you are unaware. Not in a public place at least.
So you're saying a symbol that has been around for thousands of years can't be displayed by someone from the culture it originates from because it was appropriated by Nazis? Ok man. You should go back there and tell him that.

No what I mean is that you can't just use these symbols as you please hence why I said 'not in a public place at least'

Would it be okay for this guy to wear a swastika in a Jewish community? No. Would it be okay to use in India? Yeah, probably.

Footscray btw

Nah man. If it originated from his culture that's his right. It's your and everyone else's job to do your research and not make assumptions. Buddy doesn't have to explain shit if he doesn't want to.

Just because it originated from his culture doesn't mean it's okay to use in a public space. The swastika originated from German culture, that doesn't make it okay to use does it? If it is everyone's job to do research then how is this guy not at fault? Over five million Jews were killed it was the largest genocide of all time. This guy was completely unaware but for some reason you are targetting me for not doing my research?

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« Reply #38 on: November 10, 2017, 03:01:27 PM »
I have only just recently learned that that swastika logo isn't just associated with Nazis, but before then was actually used in India for completely different reasons.

I know this because I saw a swastika above the cash register at an Indian supermarket so I asked the guy why it was there. It raises a good question: Is it okay for them to use it if they were completely unaware of how it was used throughout WW2? The worker didn't know it had anything to do with Hitler.

I think in Australia in 2017, the swastika is primarily associated with killing jews so ummmm fuck no we shouldn't use it, even if you are unaware. Not in a public place at least.
So you're saying a symbol that has been around for thousands of years can't be displayed by someone from the culture it originates from because it was appropriated by Nazis? Ok man. You should go back there and tell him that.

No what I mean is that you can't just use these symbols as you please hence why I said 'not in a public place at least'

Would it be okay for this guy to wear a swastika in a Jewish community? No. Would it be okay to use in India? Yeah, probably.

Footscray btw

Nah man. If it originated from his culture that's his right. It's your and everyone else's job to do your research and not make assumptions. Buddy doesn't have to explain shit if he doesn't want to.

Just because it originated from his culture doesn't mean it's okay to use in a public space. The swastika originated from German culture, that doesn't make it okay to use does it? If it is everyone's job to do research then how is this guy not at fault? Over five million Jews were killed it was the largest genocide of all time. This guy was completely unaware but for some reason you are targetting me for not doing my research?

As previously mentioned, swastika was appropriated by Germans. I'm not targeting you for not doing research, all I'm saying is that you can't get upset with him for using it. He has a right to religious freedoms.

Yes, I can agree that if he's in Australia then maybe he should be aware of what was done with the swastika by the Germans but that doesn't revoke his right to use it as it was originally intended.

While we're on the subject of research though, maybe you could use this link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
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« Reply #39 on: November 10, 2017, 03:14:37 PM »
i'm all for free speech but if we're gonna ban symbols, the union jack reminds me of the irish genocide. mike tyson's chairman mao tattoo is prolly offensive to the families of 100 million dead chinese.
the red banner of socialism and millions of dead russians under stalin.
american flag to indians and blacks.

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« Reply #40 on: November 10, 2017, 03:24:26 PM »
i'm all for free speech but if we're gonna ban symbols, the union jack reminds me of the irish genocide. mike tyson's chairman mao tattoo is prolly offensive to the families of 100 million dead chinese.
the red banner of socialism and millions of dead russians under stalin.
american flag to indians and blacks.
  Right so out of all those things you mention (union jack flag ect )in terms of which one of them presents the greatest threat of genocide in our present times, its the swatiska.  The least interesting fucking fact people tell you once in a while; "the swatiska's not bad you know, it's thousands of years old,"
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« Reply #41 on: November 10, 2017, 03:35:46 PM »
i'm all for free speech but if we're gonna ban symbols, the union jack reminds me of the irish genocide. mike tyson's chairman mao tattoo is prolly offensive to the families of 100 million dead chinese.
the red banner of socialism and millions of dead russians under stalin.
american flag to indians and blacks.
  Right so out of all those things you mention (union jack flag ect )in terms of which one of them presents the greatest threat of genocide in our present times, its the swatiska.  The least interesting fucking fact people tell you once in a while; "the swatiska's not bad you know, it's thousands of years old,"
stalin and hitler were around the same time. stalin also killed comparable amount of ukrainians by starvation [holomodor] asides a larger number of his own people.
mao was last century too.
native americans came closer to dying out as a people than jews so maybe the american flag is the most offensive?
we're used to seeing the other symbols as just flags but who's to say?

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« Reply #42 on: November 10, 2017, 03:52:42 PM »
 It's not about what's most offensive.  The arayan/racist/white power use and have used that symbol to recruit and spread hate, the swatiska is a mega brand.  It has no other present use or purpose.  The union jack and american flag which you flimsily compared to the swatiska at least have a case both ways.  Why even try for that comparison? 
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« Reply #43 on: November 10, 2017, 04:09:20 PM »


Your thoughts below.

why ya tryna start controversy for no good reason kiddo?

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« Reply #44 on: November 10, 2017, 04:09:25 PM »
I have only just recently learned that that swastika logo isn't just associated with Nazis, but before then was actually used in India for completely different reasons.

I know this because I saw a swastika above the cash register at an Indian supermarket so I asked the guy why it was there. It raises a good question: Is it okay for them to use it if they were completely unaware of how it was used throughout WW2? The worker didn't know it had anything to do with Hitler.

I think in Australia in 2017, the swastika is primarily associated with killing jews so ummmm fuck no we shouldn't use it, even if you are unaware. Not in a public place at least.

The swastika was a symbol originally used in Buddhism, Hinduism and Jainism. It wasn't roughly 1930 that the Nazi's adopted it and bastardized it's image. One culture used it as a sacred symbol, the other used it as a symbol for murder and hate.

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« Reply #45 on: November 10, 2017, 04:18:49 PM »
You know, I always thought it was odd that VANS stood for "Vans Are Nazi Sympathizers."

Now it all makes sense.

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« Reply #46 on: November 10, 2017, 04:44:58 PM »
OP : great thread.

It's a sad time when a company is afraid to take a stand against fascism. I think the graphic is sick.

As for symbols changing meaning, great. It's time to repurpose the swastika into something else, as I think it looks pretty cool.

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« Reply #47 on: November 10, 2017, 04:52:16 PM »
OP : great thread.

It's a sad time when a company is afraid to take a stand against fascism. I think the graphic is sick.

As for symbols changing meaning, great. It's time to repurpose the swastika into something else, as I think it looks pretty cool.
  -yea sounds like a piece of cake, shouldn't take long at all, good lil project.
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« Reply #48 on: November 10, 2017, 04:54:27 PM »
If the nazis could pull it off, surely we can too.

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« Reply #49 on: November 10, 2017, 04:57:51 PM »
It's not funny although its good to laught man.  The swatiska thing matters cause genocide happens
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« Reply #50 on: November 10, 2017, 05:04:27 PM »
I just think it's possible for an old buddhist symbol to mean what it originally did.

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« Reply #51 on: November 10, 2017, 05:05:15 PM »
I just think it's possible for an old buddhist symbol to mean what it originally did.
  So what if its possible, fuckn pick your battles good man!
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« Reply #52 on: November 10, 2017, 05:10:28 PM »
You'll never get those nollie heel crooks down with an attitude like that.

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« Reply #53 on: November 10, 2017, 05:14:26 PM »
i'm w/ important guy. he reclaimed bono.

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« Reply #54 on: November 10, 2017, 05:19:44 PM »
You'll never get those nollie heel crooks down with an attitude like that.
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« Reply #55 on: November 10, 2017, 06:04:33 PM »
If the nazis could pull it off, surely we can too.
I don't actually have anything to say about this, I'm just quoting it out of context so you look like a neo nazi.

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« Reply #56 on: November 10, 2017, 06:09:02 PM »
its weird that being against nazis is now seen as radical

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« Reply #57 on: November 10, 2017, 06:45:45 PM »
its weird that being against nazis is now seen as radical
It's pretty fucking unsettling. I also like how these retards constantly trying to silence free speech are the same ones who use it as a pretext to spew their hate all over us.

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« Reply #58 on: November 10, 2017, 07:11:35 PM »
why didnít the nazis just create their own symbol instead of using a reverse image swastika? thatís theft of artistic work. fucking unoriginal morons.

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« Reply #59 on: November 10, 2017, 09:04:44 PM »
why didnít the nazis just create their own symbol instead of using a reverse image swastika? thatís theft of artistic work. fucking unoriginal morons.
Unfortunately, they weren't the first and they won't be the last. What you said kinda reminds me of what Gonz said about style, like ''skateboarding is about seeing someone doing something, then doing it better and making it yours'' or something along those lines.