hes cool for sure. A little under rated I'll give you that. He was a sick mini ramp skater tho. But vert? You got dudes from Shroder's era like Miller, Blaize Bloune, Tom Grolholski, Hosoi, Jeff phillips, (I think Lester peaced out b4 Shroder showed up) Jason Jesse, Gator. And Tom Penny and Ben Pappas were good vert riders too (obviously Tom and Ben came later), Todd Guy (I can't spell his last name) who rode for Liberty is a god for sure. You should have made the thread about him.