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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: FancyWhore on March 17, 2021, 09:53:19 AM
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confirmed by a story on the gram once again (100 emoji)
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God damn
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"R*pe" haha. Sorry i can't take someone seriously who talks like this. It's too hip for something as serious as rape . makes it look insincere .
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Where's Heckler when you need him lol
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If this is true then go to the fucking police. Make a joint statement. Take him through an official court of law.
Not instagram! You are not the fucking law! Sick of this shit.
Yeah, that’s really not a smart move on her part. Like if any of that isn’t true, and it’s provable she is putting herself up for criminal action. Cancel culture teaching people how not to go about conducting solving problems.
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You'd think going to the police would be the right move but rapists very rarely face any sort of consequence for their actions legally. Some people don't realize they've been raped or abused until years later after any sort of "evidence" is gone. Can't say what she SHOULD do since I'm not in her shoes but gathering info and having it set and prepared for the ensuing scrutiny she's going to face would be a good idea.
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oh fun, once again, dudes of slap not understanding sexual abuse and trauma. this will go super well
if this is true, it's a massive bummer, and i hope the women get the help and justice they deserve
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Also love how people claim "cancel Culture" is so horrid like it's ever actually worked. Louis C.K still had a standup special, R Kelly had fans bail him out of jail, and a majority of celebs who get caught saying something racist still make bank. Cancel Culture isn't real for people who make money or are in the public eye, and Al won't face any sort of punishment. You can still watch him drop a part every 3 or so years.
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Al Davis is a rapist and Converse loves him
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Damn i was hoping scumbag was a company or smth.
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"R*pe" haha. Sorry i can't take someone seriously who talks like this. It's too hip for something as serious as rape . makes it look insincere .
People type it that way because Instagram sometimes removes stories and posts with “rape” written in full. Also, it’s sad that’s all you took away from this post, and can disregard something so serious over something as insignificant as spelling. Not saying he’s guilty, I’m just saying don’t disregard an accusation like that over something so trivial.
Some of y’all are so certain about Nyjah being a rapist when his accuser calls him out on Twitter, but when it’s a “cool guy” like Al everyone all the sudden wants to deny it, because the girl spoke out on Instagram.
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This makes me sad. I was really hoping al was one of the good guys...
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damn now i feel like a fool for donating $500 for him to get some photos developed
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If this is true that really really sucks.
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It's on IG stories so i would assume it must be true
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You'd think going to the police would be the right move but rapists very rarely face any sort of consequence for their actions legally. Some people don't realize they've been raped or abused until years later after any sort of "evidence" is gone. Can't say what she SHOULD do since I'm not in her shoes but gathering info and having it set and prepared for the ensuing scrutiny she's going to face would be a good idea.
Completely true, but the reverse of this works as well. It just never gets publicized since the only people we equate cancel culture with are celebrities. I know specifically of someone I work with who this happened to on the al side of the matter. He’s a sketchy dude, so I wouldn’t be shocked u know if he did do something fucked up. Well given thats my just gut feeling on the person, well some chick tried to do this to him, and he had a lot of money and absolutely buried her in legal fees and court, and now she is 500 k in debt. So if the guy actually did rape her, he also got her in debt for the rest of her life funding him. Like if u want to go the nuclear option, u genuinely never know the results. I think that’s just an illogical way of solving the problem.
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"R*pe" haha. Sorry i can't take someone seriously who talks like this. It's too hip for something as serious as rape . makes it look insincere .
People type it that way because Instagram sometimes removes stories and posts with “rape” written in full. Also, it’s sad that’s all you took away from this post, and can disregard something so serious over something as insignificant as spelling. Not saying he’s guilty, I’m just saying don’t disregard an accusation like that over something so trivial.
Some of y’all are so certain about Nyjah being a rapist when his accuser calls him out on Twitter, but when it’s a “cool guy” like Al everyone all the sudden wants to deny it, because the girl spoke out on Instagram.
I did not know that. Good info
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Lol
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"R*pe" haha. Sorry i can't take someone seriously who talks like this. It's too hip for something as serious as rape . makes it look insincere .
You can't take someone seriously because they don't want their post to get flagged on instagram?
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Cheetah, I've contacted McDonald's corporate and they're going to terminate your WiFi access unless you buy something.
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If this is true then go to the fucking police. Make a joint statement. Take him through an official court of law.
Not instagram! You are not the fucking law! Sick of this shit.
I'm no Jah fan, but when The Jah got accused, SLAP was all over him. Now when a SLAP favorite gets accused of the same thing, it's all "innocent until proven guilty". I hope the best for Al and hope this is a false aqusation. Always liked his skating, but never met him as a person. He always seemed cool.
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hope the women he's hurt can find healing and support
fuck this guy
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Incredibly disappointed to hear this. These women need to be supported and treated with respect.
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It's on IG stories so i would assume it must be true
People want extensive evidence when the skater is 'cool'. I'm still waiting for someone to show me any evidence or show me any girl who accused Chase Webb. I'm not saying Chase Webb is a great guy but it always bothered me that literally nobody could come up with anything other than drunk Chima making an unfounded claim on The Bunt, and it got taken as absolute gospel because we already don't like Chase Webb so it must be true.
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hope the women he's hurt can find healing and support
fuck this guy
If it's true, I hope so as well, with anyone effected receives appropriate physically, emotionally, or mental help.
Innocent until proven guilty. In the US you can go to the police and say anything. I've never met you, but I could go to the police and say, fredgallSOTY did XXX to me and they would be required to launch an investigation. It would cost us both sides a shit ton in lawyers, they do their thing, and a judge makes the final decision based on the evidence brought forward.
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Cheetah, I've contacted McDonald's corporate and they're going to terminate your WiFi access unless you buy something.
Thanks for the sig
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reminds me of when he had a $15,000 kickstarter to get some photos developed
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reminds me of when he had a $15,000 kickstarter to get some photos developed
I always thought that was a pretty kooky move. If you can’t afford the costs associate with shooting film, don’t shoot film.
Hope those affected by his actions - if true - get any support and help they require. Such a scummy thing to do to a person, not to mention it sounds like it wasn’t an isolated incident
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I am immediately convinced by something written by someone I’ve never met and am now so mad at someone else who I will also never meet.
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Al Davis blocked me on his cousin records account a bit ago when I told him that he was gassing up a local abuser and reposting his clips and shit. I’ve been bummed on him for a bit because that felt like apologist behavior, but this makes it even worse. (Unrelated but he also blocked me on his main like a year before I got blocked on the cousin records account because I requested too many times)
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hope the women he's hurt can find healing and support
fuck this guy
If it's true, I hope so as well, with anyone effected receives appropriate physically, emotionally, or mental help.
Innocent until proven guilty. In the US you can go to the police and say anything. I've never met you, but I could go to the police and say, fredgallSOTY did XXX to me and they would be required to launch an investigation. It would cost us both sides a shit ton in lawyers, they do their thing, and a judge makes the final decision based on the evidence brought forward.
You're assuming cops believe women, that they're arsed enough to do a thorough investigation and that all rape allegations end up in court.
And to the others talking about going to the police or thinking the women make this shit up, read up on why they might not choose to speak up after the fact, and just how many false accusations there are. The info on this out there, and has already been discussed in other threads about abusive pros or whoever.
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I enjoy what I've seen of this guy's skating, but I distinctly remember a few years back following him on Instagram for like a month or so, and I sensed quickly that this guy was a huge piece of shit. The two things that stood out were him defending the GX guys who caved in the head of the security guard because "they are legends" and this guy was a loser with a minimum wage job, and then the GX1000 Japan video where he is gleefully tagging another country and disrespecting old women
This is not to say that the allegations are necessarily true, but he does certainly seem to be a douchebag
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Quick! Every incel with post counts under 100 give us your hot take as you take a break from brushing your neckbeards and plan your next mass shooting.
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but his pants tho
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hope the women he's hurt can find healing and support
fuck this guy
If it's true, I hope so as well, with anyone effected receives appropriate physically, emotionally, or mental help.
Innocent until proven guilty. In the US you can go to the police and say anything. I've never met you, but I could go to the police and say, fredgallSOTY did XXX to me and they would be required to launch an investigation. It would cost us both sides a shit ton in lawyers, they do their thing, and a judge makes the final decision based on the evidence brought forward.
you’ve clearly never gone to a cop for anything.
hope these women can find some level of peace and solace. it’s good that they’re beginning to connect with each other, i’m sure that’s going to be a valuable support system in dealing with both the trauma of al’s actions and the trauma that internet chuds attacking them will cause.
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Al Davis is a rapist and Converse loves him
Was waiting for this
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I am immediately convinced by something written by someone I’ve never met and am now so mad at someone else who I will also never meet.
It's hilarious when people make posts like this insinuating the accuser is lying while pretending it's none of their business despite taking time out of their day to actively comment on the situation on a public forum lmao.
I Wonder if Al and Kenny Anderson hang out, sounds like they've got some things in common.
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Dang - I remember when someone posted something talking about the GX crew’s notorious behavior towards women. Everyone thought it was just about that one guy who used to be on WKND. Looks like the net was wider than previously thought.
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How does anyone know what to take seriously anymore?
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How does anyone know what to take seriously anymore?
I guess the sheer amount of comments from people with real accounts tilt it strongly towards believable for me. It would seem odd that there would be a coordinated attack on some random skater like Al who isn’t like a household name or anything unless there was a kernel of truth to it at least
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I am immediately convinced by something written by someone I’ve never met and am now so mad at someone else who I will also never meet.
It's hilarious when people make posts like this insinuating the accuser is lying while pretending it's none of their business despite taking time out of their day to actively comment on the situation on a public forum lmao.
I Wonder if Al and Kenny Anderson hang out, sounds like they've got some things in common.
This isnt a game no more.
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Everyone should operate with caution in these situations. I have no idea what happened and neither does anyone else. There is a reason why centuries of progress have created formal, dispassionate legal mechanisms for adjudicating such claims and potential crimes. At present we have a hazy accusation with no evidence or real, material information. To suggest it is more, is pure speculation, which is insufficient to do much of anything. There's a reason we don't have a system for mediating out conflicts based on guilt by association or loud voices.
Everything she may be saying is 100 percent accurate, but thus far, there is nothing to suggest it means anything - one way or the another.
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damn if this is legit this would be a huge bummer.
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Everyone should operate with caution in these situations. I have no idea what happened and neither does anyone else. There is a reason why centuries of progress have created formal, dispassionate legal mechanisms for adjudicating such claims and potential crimes. At present we have a hazy accusation with no evidence or real, material information. To suggest it is more, is pure speculation, which is insufficient to do much of anything. There's a reason we don't have a system for mediating out conflicts based on guilt by association or loud voices.
Everything she may be saying is 100 percent accurate, but thus far, there is nothing to suggest it means anything - one way or the another.
That dispassionate legal system sure worked out well for Brock Turner
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Everyone should operate with caution in these situations. I have no idea what happened and neither does anyone else. There is a reason why centuries of progress have created formal, dispassionate legal mechanisms for adjudicating such claims and potential crimes. At present we have a hazy accusation with no evidence or real, material information. To suggest it is more, is pure speculation, which is insufficient to do much of anything. There's a reason we don't have a system for mediating out conflicts based on guilt by association or loud voices.
Everything she may be saying is 100 percent accurate, but thus far, there is nothing to suggest it means anything - one way or the another.
That dispassionate legal system sure worked out well for Brock Turner
This argument is meant to score some points or seem clever. But the point stands: our highly imperfect legal system is better than whatever it is you believe accusation by instagram is. The system fails, and failed in that case to be sure, which doesn't mean it should be dismissed wholesale and replaced by accusation. The system should be improved, and what your banal, pot shot has no value or meaning to that goal.
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Send Al to Horny jail
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Everyone should operate with caution in these situations. I have no idea what happened and neither does anyone else. There is a reason why centuries of progress have created formal, dispassionate legal mechanisms for adjudicating such claims and potential crimes. At present we have a hazy accusation with no evidence or real, material information. To suggest it is more, is pure speculation, which is insufficient to do much of anything. There's a reason we don't have a system for mediating out conflicts based on guilt by association or loud voices.
Everything she may be saying is 100 percent accurate, but thus far, there is nothing to suggest it means anything - one way or the another.
That dispassionate legal system sure worked out well for Brock Turner
This argument is meant to score some points or seem clever. But the point stands: our highly imperfect legal system is better than whatever it is you believe accusation by instagram is. The system fails, and failed in that case to be sure, which doesn't mean it should be dismissed wholesale and replaced by accusation. The system should be improved, and what your banal, pot shot has no value or meaning to that goal.
Ah yes, scoring a point by noting an incident where a young man’s future was preserved because the judge didn’t want to ruin his life over a youthful indiscretion like raping an unconscious woman. Surely, the only time this has happened.
How has “accusation by Instagram” affected any of the skaters, except Johan who fessed up and got his minor lumps, who have been credibly accused of sexual assault? Unless you’ve been hiding under a rock, you should be aware of the legal issues that hinder rapists being brought to justice. Hell, watch the Woody Allen doc on HBO and learn how divorce proceedings punish the parent who levels sexual abuse accusations, particularly when credible, against the other parent.
The one person this topic noted has been joined by plenty other accusations in the comments. This will likely not preface legal proceedings and no posse is being rounded up, but show me what avenue is open for people to confront or name their abusers and tell me what possible incentive the others have to lie about this?
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Yeah bro, an orchestrated attack on a random skater between multiple women seems way more likely than another shitty guy being shitty. They are probably just jealous of his nollie heels
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The original point is you dont know, and I dont know. Which is why a system in which we marshal evidence to buttress claims is used rather than whatever you are putting forward here.
The rush to certitude about what did or did not happen is unhelpful.
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The original point is you dont know, and I dont know. Which is why a system in which we marshal evidence to buttress claims is used rather than whatever you are putting forward here.
The rush to certitude about what did or did not happen is unhelpful.
and the rush to ignore this and wait for criminal proceedings that will absolutely never come is the most fucking useless thing you could do
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Everyone should operate with caution in these situations. I have no idea what happened and neither does anyone else. There is a reason why centuries of progress have created formal, dispassionate legal mechanisms for adjudicating such claims and potential crimes. At present we have a hazy accusation with no evidence or real, material information. To suggest it is more, is pure speculation, which is insufficient to do much of anything. There's a reason we don't have a system for mediating out conflicts based on guilt by association or loud voices.
Everything she may be saying is 100 percent accurate, but thus far, there is nothing to suggest it means anything - one way or the another.
That dispassionate legal system sure worked out well for Brock Turner
This argument is meant to score some points or seem clever. But the point stands: our highly imperfect legal system is better than whatever it is you believe accusation by instagram is. The system fails, and failed in that case to be sure, which doesn't mean it should be dismissed wholesale and replaced by accusation. The system should be improved, and what your banal, pot shot has no value or meaning to that goal.
Ah yes, scoring a point by noting an incident where a young man’s future was preserved because the judge didn’t want to ruin his life over a youthful indiscretion like raping an unconscious woman. Surely, the only time this has happened.
How has “accusation by Instagram” affected any of the skaters, except Johan who fessed up and got his minor lumps, who have been credibly accused of sexual assault? Unless you’ve been hiding under a rock, you should be aware of the legal issues that hinder rapists being brought to justice. Hell, watch the Woody Allen doc on HBO and learn how divorce proceedings punish the parent who levels sexual abuse accusations, particularly when credible, against the other parent.
The one person this topic noted has been joined by plenty other accusations in the comments. This will likely not preface legal proceedings and no posse is being rounded up, but show me what avenue is open for people to confront or name their abusers and tell me what possible incentive the others have to lie about this?
Nah, he's right. If this is your standard, it would be really easy to send you to jail too. And I say this as someone who doesn't do anything like the accusation and doesn't know anyone else who does either. Being impaneled on a jury is more educational than reading random posts on an internet messageboard. You can scoff at that all you want, but you won't learn a damn thing.
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Everyone should operate with caution in these situations. I have no idea what happened and neither does anyone else. There is a reason why centuries of progress have created formal, dispassionate legal mechanisms for adjudicating such claims and potential crimes. At present we have a hazy accusation with no evidence or real, material information. To suggest it is more, is pure speculation, which is insufficient to do much of anything. There's a reason we don't have a system for mediating out conflicts based on guilt by association or loud voices.
Everything she may be saying is 100 percent accurate, but thus far, there is nothing to suggest it means anything - one way or the another.
That dispassionate legal system sure worked out well for Brock Turner
This argument is meant to score some points or seem clever. But the point stands: our highly imperfect legal system is better than whatever it is you believe accusation by instagram is. The system fails, and failed in that case to be sure, which doesn't mean it should be dismissed wholesale and replaced by accusation. The system should be improved, and what your banal, pot shot has no value or meaning to that goal.
Ah yes, scoring a point by noting an incident where a young man’s future was preserved because the judge didn’t want to ruin his life over a youthful indiscretion like raping an unconscious woman. Surely, the only time this has happened.
How has “accusation by Instagram” affected any of the skaters, except Johan who fessed up and got his minor lumps, who have been credibly accused of sexual assault? Unless you’ve been hiding under a rock, you should be aware of the legal issues that hinder rapists being brought to justice. Hell, watch the Woody Allen doc on HBO and learn how divorce proceedings punish the parent who levels sexual abuse accusations, particularly when credible, against the other parent.
The one person this topic noted has been joined by plenty other accusations in the comments. This will likely not preface legal proceedings and no posse is being rounded up, but show me what avenue is open for people to confront or name their abusers and tell me what possible incentive the others have to lie about this?
I'm not sure what point your making. I didnt speak to any previous people accused or skaters. I was addressing this accusation. The point stands: it would better to not treat instagram comments without much more as dispositive. I'm well aware of the pitfalls of how "legal issues" can undermine victims, as well as Woody Allen. I'm not sure that is relevant here, or what I was talkin about, is the point.
I said at the outset people should chill on jumping to a conclusion based on an instagram or series of instagram comments. I think that point stands.
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Just here to chime in from the She-man Man haters club
If you were accustomed to how common this is, you wouldn't be so shocked
That and, if you cared about the emotional welfare of women but I DIGRESS
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"R*pe" haha. Sorry i can't take someone seriously who talks like this. It's too hip for something as serious as rape . makes it look insincere .
People type it that way because Instagram sometimes removes stories and posts with “rape” written in full. Also, it’s sad that’s all you took away from this post, and can disregard something so serious over something as insignificant as spelling. Not saying he’s guilty, I’m just saying don’t disregard an accusation like that over something so trivial.
Some of y’all are so certain about Nyjah being a rapist when his accuser calls him out on Twitter, but when it’s a “cool guy” like Al everyone all the sudden wants to deny it, because the girl spoke out on Instagram.
Okay well my bad on that i didn't know that was the reason people did that.
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The original point is you dont know, and I dont know. Which is why a system in which we marshal evidence to buttress claims is used rather than whatever you are putting forward here.
The rush to certitude about what did or did not happen is unhelpful.
Im not sure how you can suggest I wish to "ignore it" which is not anything I've said. Im merely encouraging people to withhold judgement against an accused person until you have more than what has been provided. What rights do you think you are providing to anyone - the accuser or the accused by implying that these posts reach a specific conclusion. As you me know, there is both good practical and theoretical reasons for having a system based on providing the accused opportunities to defend themselves as well as accusers to avail themselves or rights. We have a history in which racist mob rule controlled a large swath of the country and did not afford accused relevant means to redress that inequity. The system is flawed but it is better than whatever it is you think you are doing.
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You'd think going to the police would be the right move but rapists very rarely face any sort of consequence for their actions legally. Some people don't realize they've been raped or abused until years later after any sort of "evidence" is gone. Can't say what she SHOULD do since I'm not in her shoes but gathering info and having it set and prepared for the ensuing scrutiny she's going to face would be a good idea.
I've never been raped but i reckon id know right away as i was penetrated
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The original point is you dont know, and I dont know. Which is why a system in which we marshal evidence to buttress claims is used rather than whatever you are putting forward here.
The rush to certitude about what did or did not happen is unhelpful.
Im not sure how you can suggest I wish to "ignore it" which is not anything I've said. Im merely encouraging people to withhold judgement against an accused person until you have more than what has been provided. What rights do you think you are providing to anyone - the accuser or the accused by implying that these posts reach a specific conclusion. As you me know, there is both good practical and theoretical reasons for having a system based on providing the accused opportunities to defend themselves as well as accusers to avail themselves or rights. We have a history in which racist mob rule controlled a large swath of the country and did not afford accused relevant means to redress that inequity. The system is flawed but it is better than whatever it is you think you are doing.
So a broken system that rarely metes out justice is better than listening to and validating the experiences of people who have been victims of abuse because you don’t like the medium by which they share?
Al Davis’s career isn’t going to be effected one iota by this, just as KA’s wasn’t. So what are you railing against?
And you don’t understand that the Woody Allen points?! Yikes. How about this precious legal system rarely takes offenders to task and often punishes the accusers more than those who actually committed the crime. So maybe IG is just where they have to do it when they see rank hypocrisy like Kenny Anderson or Al Davis praising on Instagram strong women. And you see shit like that constantly. Hell, Mitchell and Ness the sports memorabilia co. had an International Women’s Day post featuring a woman wearing a #8 Kobe jersey for fuck’s sake, if you’d like another hallmark of justice
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The original point is you dont know, and I dont know. Which is why a system in which we marshal evidence to buttress claims is used rather than whatever you are putting forward here.
The rush to certitude about what did or did not happen is unhelpful.
Im not sure how you can suggest I wish to "ignore it" which is not anything I've said. Im merely encouraging people to withhold judgement against an accused person until you have more than what has been provided. What rights do you think you are providing to anyone - the accuser or the accused by implying that these posts reach a specific conclusion. As you me know, there is both good practical and theoretical reasons for having a system based on providing the accused opportunities to defend themselves as well as accusers to avail themselves or rights. We have a history in which racist mob rule controlled a large swath of the country and did not afford accused relevant means to redress that inequity. The system is flawed but it is better than whatever it is you think you are doing.
i would say providing the accusers the right to be heard judgement free is important. as you may know, there are good and practical reasons for women and non-men whole-stepping around the law and judicial system for any number of reasons. because you’re clearly ornery, let’s go through some. these women may not believe in imprisonment, which is the end result of a criminal trial. they may not want to have to relive their trauma in front of complete strangers and then have the details of which argued by those strangers. they may not want to have police ignore them or outright deny their ability to press charges. they may not want to hear from police, prosecutors, juries, or lawyers about how it was their fault they were assaulted. they may not want to have years of their lives defined by a criminal trial connected to their trauma. there are a million other reasons too.
this is clearly the recourse these women feel most comfortable with discussing their experiences. they have absolutely zero reason to lie en masse. to imply that they are or to try to cast dispersions on what they’re saying is such small behavior. if you care about al, or community in general, you should want him rehabilitated and not jailed. calling out also means calling in. it’s a moment for his friends, mentors, etc to step up and help him change his behavior to be able to re-enter society as someone that can be trusted and give respect to the people in his life.
i obviously know that you’re just being prickly to be prickly and you don’t care about any of this. so for clarity, fuck you.
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The original point is you dont know, and I dont know. Which is why a system in which we marshal evidence to buttress claims is used rather than whatever you are putting forward here.
The rush to certitude about what did or did not happen is unhelpful.
Im not sure how you can suggest I wish to "ignore it" which is not anything I've said. Im merely encouraging people to withhold judgement against an accused person until you have more than what has been provided. What rights do you think you are providing to anyone - the accuser or the accused by implying that these posts reach a specific conclusion. As you me know, there is both good practical and theoretical reasons for having a system based on providing the accused opportunities to defend themselves as well as accusers to avail themselves or rights. We have a history in which racist mob rule controlled a large swath of the country and did not afford accused relevant means to redress that inequity. The system is flawed but it is better than whatever it is you think you are doing.
this is clearly the recourse these women feel most comfortable with discussing their experiences. they have absolutely zero reason to lie en masse. to imply that they are or to try to cast dispersions on what they’re saying is such small behavior. if you care about al, or community in general, you should want him rehabilitated and not jailed. calling out also means calling in. it’s a moment for his friends, mentors, etc to step up and help him change his behavior to be able to re-enter society as someone that can be trusted and give respect to the people in his life.
i obviously know that you’re just being prickly to be prickly and you don’t care about any of this. so for clarity, fuck you.
(1) The court of law is the forum to be heard free of judgement. People are free to exercise free speech rights, within limits, on any topic. I'd hardly call instagram a "judgement free" zone or to place to not want to "relive their trauma in front of strangers". So Im not sure this makes any sense.
(2) "Whole-stepping" around the law may appeal to people, but unfortunately it is not recognized as a legal means of recourse for an accuser, and very importantly for the accused. You seem to have divined the a whole set of reasons that you believe are good ideas for "whole-stepping" the law. The accusers here, at least thus far, have not suggested this. You are merely speculating their motives, including that they even wish to "whole step" the law.
(3) I have not accused or implied them to be lying or lying en masse. You should be more careful with such accusations.
(4) I'm not sure you should decide what is best for 'al. He is afforded certain rights under the law, and I dont think you should assume he agrees with your view that he should be "rehabilitated" or anything in regards to these accusations until he says so.
(5) Calling me "ornery' and lying that I suggest these women are lying, and ending this with a "fuck you," is worthless and shows your points are neither sharp nor well anchored. In your quest to string buzzwords together, it would maybe behoove you to learn more about not only the rights of the accused but familiarize yourself with two centuries of extralegal standards in which black men, not afforded rights to protect themselves against accusations, have been tried in the court of public opinion and sentenced to grizzly outcomes. It is one of the strong reasons we have a legal system that affords those accused of crimes to avail themselves of rights.
(6) What stated off as me merely suggesting people, including yourself, should not per se determine an outcome here has resulted in you deciding that Al committed felonies, that he does not deserve any legal rights or evidentiary standard before making that decision, and then inventing a lot ideas about why people are doing what they are doing here - none of which you know. I'll leave for others to determine the strength of your argument, but I would suggest you would not like to meet the justice that you are doling out to others.
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The original point is you dont know, and I dont know. Which is why a system in which we marshal evidence to buttress claims is used rather than whatever you are putting forward here.
The rush to certitude about what did or did not happen is unhelpful.
Im not sure how you can suggest I wish to "ignore it" which is not anything I've said. Im merely encouraging people to withhold judgement against an accused person until you have more than what has been provided. What rights do you think you are providing to anyone - the accuser or the accused by implying that these posts reach a specific conclusion. As you me know, there is both good practical and theoretical reasons for having a system based on providing the accused opportunities to defend themselves as well as accusers to avail themselves or rights. We have a history in which racist mob rule controlled a large swath of the country and did not afford accused relevant means to redress that inequity. The system is flawed but it is better than whatever it is you think you are doing.
this is clearly the recourse these women feel most comfortable with discussing their experiences. they have absolutely zero reason to lie en masse. to imply that they are or to try to cast dispersions on what they’re saying is such small behavior. if you care about al, or community in general, you should want him rehabilitated and not jailed. calling out also means calling in. it’s a moment for his friends, mentors, etc to step up and help him change his behavior to be able to re-enter society as someone that can be trusted and give respect to the people in his life.
i obviously know that you’re just being prickly to be prickly and you don’t care about any of this. so for clarity, fuck you.
(1) The court of law is the forum to be heard free of judgement. People are free to exercise free speech rights, within limits, on any topic. I'd hardly call instagram a "judgement free" zone or to place to not want to "relive their trauma in front of strangers". So Im not sure this makes any sense.
(2) "Whole-stepping" around the law may appeal to people, but unfortunately it is not recognized as a legal means of recourse for an accuser, and very importantly for the accused. You seem to have divined the a whole set of reasons that you believe are good ideas for "whole-stepping" the law. The accusers here, at least thus far, have not suggested this. You are merely speculating their motives, including that they even wish to "whole step" the law.
(3) I have not accused or implied them to be lying or lying en masse. You should be more careful with such accusations.
(4) I'm not sure you should decide what is best for 'al. He is afforded certain rights under the law, and I dont think you should assume he agrees with your view that he should be "rehabilitated" or anything in regards to these accusations until he says so.
(5) Calling me "ornery' and lying that I suggest these women are lying, and ending this with a "fuck you," is worthless and shows your points are neither sharp nor well anchored. In your quest to string buzzwords together, it would maybe behoove you to learn more about not only the rights of the accused but familiarize yourself with two centuries of extralegal standards in which black men, not afforded rights to protect themselves against accusations, have been tried in the court of public opinion and sentenced to grizzly outcomes. It is one of the strong reasons we have a legal system that affords those accused of crimes to avail themselves of rights.
(6) What stated off as me merely suggesting people, including yourself, should not per se determine an outcome here has resulted in you deciding that Al committed felonies, that he does not deserve any legal rights or evidentiary standard before making that decision, and then inventing a lot ideas about why people are doing what they are doing here - none of which you know. I'll leave for others to determine the strength of your argument, but I would suggest you would not like to meet the justice that you are doling out to others.
How many times a day do you stroke it to Ben Shapiro?
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The original point is you dont know, and I dont know. Which is why a system in which we marshal evidence to buttress claims is used rather than whatever you are putting forward here.
The rush to certitude about what did or did not happen is unhelpful.
Im not sure how you can suggest I wish to "ignore it" which is not anything I've said. Im merely encouraging people to withhold judgement against an accused person until you have more than what has been provided. What rights do you think you are providing to anyone - the accuser or the accused by implying that these posts reach a specific conclusion. As you me know, there is both good practical and theoretical reasons for having a system based on providing the accused opportunities to defend themselves as well as accusers to avail themselves or rights. We have a history in which racist mob rule controlled a large swath of the country and did not afford accused relevant means to redress that inequity. The system is flawed but it is better than whatever it is you think you are doing.
this is clearly the recourse these women feel most comfortable with discussing their experiences. they have absolutely zero reason to lie en masse. to imply that they are or to try to cast dispersions on what they’re saying is such small behavior. if you care about al, or community in general, you should want him rehabilitated and not jailed. calling out also means calling in. it’s a moment for his friends, mentors, etc to step up and help him change his behavior to be able to re-enter society as someone that can be trusted and give respect to the people in his life.
i obviously know that you’re just being prickly to be prickly and you don’t care about any of this. so for clarity, fuck you.
(1) The court of law is the forum to be heard free of judgement. People are free to exercise free speech rights, within limits, on any topic. I'd hardly call instagram a "judgement free" zone or to place to not want to "relive their trauma in front of strangers". So Im not sure this makes any sense.
(2) "Whole-stepping" around the law may appeal to people, but unfortunately it is not recognized as a legal means of recourse for an accuser, and very importantly for the accused. You seem to have divined the a whole set of reasons that you believe are good ideas for "whole-stepping" the law. The accusers here, at least thus far, have not suggested this. You are merely speculating their motives, including that they even wish to "whole step" the law.
(3) I have not accused or implied them to be lying or lying en masse. You should be more careful with such accusations.
(4) I'm not sure you should decide what is best for 'al. He is afforded certain rights under the law, and I dont think you should assume he agrees with your view that he should be "rehabilitated" or anything in regards to these accusations until he says so.
(5) Calling me "ornery' and lying that I suggest these women are lying, and ending this with a "fuck you," is worthless and shows your points are neither sharp nor well anchored. In your quest to string buzzwords together, it would maybe behoove you to learn more about not only the rights of the accused but familiarize yourself with two centuries of extralegal standards in which black men, not afforded rights to protect themselves against accusations, have been tried in the court of public opinion and sentenced to grizzly outcomes. It is one of the strong reasons we have a legal system that affords those accused of crimes to avail themselves of rights.
(6) What stated off as me merely suggesting people, including yourself, should not per se determine an outcome here has resulted in you deciding that Al committed felonies, that he does not deserve any legal rights or evidentiary standard before making that decision, and then inventing a lot ideas about why people are doing what they are doing here - none of which you know. I'll leave for others to determine the strength of your argument, but I would suggest you would not like to meet the justice that you are doling out to others.
How many times a day do you stroke it to Ben Shapiro?
I'm a left wing person who works in the legal domain. The fact that believe the core constitutional criminal legal procedure rights, as provided for by the 6th amendment, are controversial and associate the rights afforded to the accused as being right wing (or anything related a childlike Ben Shapiro), suggests you know nothing of which you speak, including the liberal rights you believe your are advancing.
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Funny how these 'reasonable' calls for caution come up only when sexual assault or harassment are involved. Well, that and racist attacks/incidents. Misogyny and racism go hand in hand, I guess.
These guys are more than happy to ignore the fact that the legal system has so many times fucked the victims and that simply talking about rape is traumatic for them. But sure, let's be careful and not jump to any conclusions before (and only if) there is a trial and a verdict.
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The original point is you dont know, and I dont know. Which is why a system in which we marshal evidence to buttress claims is used rather than whatever you are putting forward here.
The rush to certitude about what did or did not happen is unhelpful.
Im not sure how you can suggest I wish to "ignore it" which is not anything I've said. Im merely encouraging people to withhold judgement against an accused person until you have more than what has been provided. What rights do you think you are providing to anyone - the accuser or the accused by implying that these posts reach a specific conclusion. As you me know, there is both good practical and theoretical reasons for having a system based on providing the accused opportunities to defend themselves as well as accusers to avail themselves or rights. We have a history in which racist mob rule controlled a large swath of the country and did not afford accused relevant means to redress that inequity. The system is flawed but it is better than whatever it is you think you are doing.
this is clearly the recourse these women feel most comfortable with discussing their experiences. they have absolutely zero reason to lie en masse. to imply that they are or to try to cast dispersions on what they’re saying is such small behavior. if you care about al, or community in general, you should want him rehabilitated and not jailed. calling out also means calling in. it’s a moment for his friends, mentors, etc to step up and help him change his behavior to be able to re-enter society as someone that can be trusted and give respect to the people in his life.
i obviously know that you’re just being prickly to be prickly and you don’t care about any of this. so for clarity, fuck you.
(1) The court of law is the forum to be heard free of judgement. People are free to exercise free speech rights, within limits, on any topic. I'd hardly call instagram a "judgement free" zone or to place to not want to "relive their trauma in front of strangers". So Im not sure this makes any sense.
(2) "Whole-stepping" around the law may appeal to people, but unfortunately it is not recognized as a legal means of recourse for an accuser, and very importantly for the accused. You seem to have divined the a whole set of reasons that you believe are good ideas for "whole-stepping" the law. The accusers here, at least thus far, have not suggested this. You are merely speculating their motives, including that they even wish to "whole step" the law.
(3) I have not accused or implied them to be lying or lying en masse. You should be more careful with such accusations.
(4) I'm not sure you should decide what is best for 'al. He is afforded certain rights under the law, and I dont think you should assume he agrees with your view that he should be "rehabilitated" or anything in regards to these accusations until he says so.
(5) Calling me "ornery' and lying that I suggest these women are lying, and ending this with a "fuck you," is worthless and shows your points are neither sharp nor well anchored. In your quest to string buzzwords together, it would maybe behoove you to learn more about not only the rights of the accused but familiarize yourself with two centuries of extralegal standards in which black men, not afforded rights to protect themselves against accusations, have been tried in the court of public opinion and sentenced to grizzly outcomes. It is one of the strong reasons we have a legal system that affords those accused of crimes to avail themselves of rights.
(6) What stated off as me merely suggesting people, including yourself, should not per se determine an outcome here has resulted in you deciding that Al committed felonies, that he does not deserve any legal rights or evidentiary standard before making that decision, and then inventing a lot ideas about why people are doing what they are doing here - none of which you know. I'll leave for others to determine the strength of your argument, but I would suggest you would not like to meet the justice that you are doling out to others.
How many times a day do you stroke it to Ben Shapiro?
I'm a left wing person who works in the legal domain. The fact that believe the core constitutional criminal legal procedure rights, as provided for by the 6th amendment, are controversial and associate the rights afforded to the accused as being right wing (or anything related a childlike Ben Shapiro), suggests you know nothing of which you speak, including the liberal rights you believe your are advancing.
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The original point is you dont know, and I dont know. Which is why a system in which we marshal evidence to buttress claims is used rather than whatever you are putting forward here.
The rush to certitude about what did or did not happen is unhelpful.
Im not sure how you can suggest I wish to "ignore it" which is not anything I've said. Im merely encouraging people to withhold judgement against an accused person until you have more than what has been provided. What rights do you think you are providing to anyone - the accuser or the accused by implying that these posts reach a specific conclusion. As you me know, there is both good practical and theoretical reasons for having a system based on providing the accused opportunities to defend themselves as well as accusers to avail themselves or rights. We have a history in which racist mob rule controlled a large swath of the country and did not afford accused relevant means to redress that inequity. The system is flawed but it is better than whatever it is you think you are doing.
this is clearly the recourse these women feel most comfortable with discussing their experiences. they have absolutely zero reason to lie en masse. to imply that they are or to try to cast dispersions on what they’re saying is such small behavior. if you care about al, or community in general, you should want him rehabilitated and not jailed. calling out also means calling in. it’s a moment for his friends, mentors, etc to step up and help him change his behavior to be able to re-enter society as someone that can be trusted and give respect to the people in his life.
i obviously know that you’re just being prickly to be prickly and you don’t care about any of this. so for clarity, fuck you.
(1) The court of law is the forum to be heard free of judgement. People are free to exercise free speech rights, within limits, on any topic. I'd hardly call instagram a "judgement free" zone or to place to not want to "relive their trauma in front of strangers". So Im not sure this makes any sense.
(2) "Whole-stepping" around the law may appeal to people, but unfortunately it is not recognized as a legal means of recourse for an accuser, and very importantly for the accused. You seem to have divined the a whole set of reasons that you believe are good ideas for "whole-stepping" the law. The accusers here, at least thus far, have not suggested this. You are merely speculating their motives, including that they even wish to "whole step" the law.
(3) I have not accused or implied them to be lying or lying en masse. You should be more careful with such accusations.
(4) I'm not sure you should decide what is best for 'al. He is afforded certain rights under the law, and I dont think you should assume he agrees with your view that he should be "rehabilitated" or anything in regards to these accusations until he says so.
(5) Calling me "ornery' and lying that I suggest these women are lying, and ending this with a "fuck you," is worthless and shows your points are neither sharp nor well anchored. In your quest to string buzzwords together, it would maybe behoove you to learn more about not only the rights of the accused but familiarize yourself with two centuries of extralegal standards in which black men, not afforded rights to protect themselves against accusations, have been tried in the court of public opinion and sentenced to grizzly outcomes. It is one of the strong reasons we have a legal system that affords those accused of crimes to avail themselves of rights.
(6) What stated off as me merely suggesting people, including yourself, should not per se determine an outcome here has resulted in you deciding that Al committed felonies, that he does not deserve any legal rights or evidentiary standard before making that decision, and then inventing a lot ideas about why people are doing what they are doing here - none of which you know. I'll leave for others to determine the strength of your argument, but I would suggest you would not like to meet the justice that you are doling out to others.
How many times a day do you stroke it to Ben Shapiro?
I'm a left wing person who works in the legal domain. The fact that believe the core constitutional criminal legal procedure rights, as provided for by the 6th amendment, are controversial and associate the rights afforded to the accused as being right wing (or anything related a childlike Ben Shapiro), suggests you know nothing of which you speak, including the liberal rights you believe your are advancing.
More speaking about your auto-fellating, smug debate style than anything left/right wing. I could sit here and parse your word dumps and show that you are just as guilty of taking out comments to an imagined conclusion and you accuse us of doing.
What matters is, Converse shared a post where Al Davis praised the strong women in his life. A woman who wanted to share her personal experience with Al Davis’s treatment of women used that very post to make her (and seven other women’s) point. Not sure why she has to find some other method or medium to share her experiences to satisfy you, but good luck trying to take down the court of public opinion. I’m all those men accuse of sexual misdeeds who are completely innocent are indebted to your bravery.
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The original point is you dont know, and I dont know. Which is why a system in which we marshal evidence to buttress claims is used rather than whatever you are putting forward here.
The rush to certitude about what did or did not happen is unhelpful.
Im not sure how you can suggest I wish to "ignore it" which is not anything I've said. Im merely encouraging people to withhold judgement against an accused person until you have more than what has been provided. What rights do you think you are providing to anyone - the accuser or the accused by implying that these posts reach a specific conclusion. As you me know, there is both good practical and theoretical reasons for having a system based on providing the accused opportunities to defend themselves as well as accusers to avail themselves or rights. We have a history in which racist mob rule controlled a large swath of the country and did not afford accused relevant means to redress that inequity. The system is flawed but it is better than whatever it is you think you are doing.
this is clearly the recourse these women feel most comfortable with discussing their experiences. they have absolutely zero reason to lie en masse. to imply that they are or to try to cast dispersions on what they’re saying is such small behavior. if you care about al, or community in general, you should want him rehabilitated and not jailed. calling out also means calling in. it’s a moment for his friends, mentors, etc to step up and help him change his behavior to be able to re-enter society as someone that can be trusted and give respect to the people in his life.
i obviously know that you’re just being prickly to be prickly and you don’t care about any of this. so for clarity, fuck you.
(1) The court of law is the forum to be heard free of judgement. People are free to exercise free speech rights, within limits, on any topic. I'd hardly call instagram a "judgement free" zone or to place to not want to "relive their trauma in front of strangers". So Im not sure this makes any sense.
(2) "Whole-stepping" around the law may appeal to people, but unfortunately it is not recognized as a legal means of recourse for an accuser, and very importantly for the accused. You seem to have divined the a whole set of reasons that you believe are good ideas for "whole-stepping" the law. The accusers here, at least thus far, have not suggested this. You are merely speculating their motives, including that they even wish to "whole step" the law.
(3) I have not accused or implied them to be lying or lying en masse. You should be more careful with such accusations.
(4) I'm not sure you should decide what is best for 'al. He is afforded certain rights under the law, and I dont think you should assume he agrees with your view that he should be "rehabilitated" or anything in regards to these accusations until he says so.
(5) Calling me "ornery' and lying that I suggest these women are lying, and ending this with a "fuck you," is worthless and shows your points are neither sharp nor well anchored. In your quest to string buzzwords together, it would maybe behoove you to learn more about not only the rights of the accused but familiarize yourself with two centuries of extralegal standards in which black men, not afforded rights to protect themselves against accusations, have been tried in the court of public opinion and sentenced to grizzly outcomes. It is one of the strong reasons we have a legal system that affords those accused of crimes to avail themselves of rights.
(6) What stated off as me merely suggesting people, including yourself, should not per se determine an outcome here has resulted in you deciding that Al committed felonies, that he does not deserve any legal rights or evidentiary standard before making that decision, and then inventing a lot ideas about why people are doing what they are doing here - none of which you know. I'll leave for others to determine the strength of your argument, but I would suggest you would not like to meet the justice that you are doling out to others.
if you think the american legal system was set up to give black folks the opportunity to avail themselves of rights you have to be the dumbest person on the internet.
once again, fuck you. i genuinely, sincerely hope there are not people, especially women, in your life that depend on you for emotional support.
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The original point is you dont know, and I dont know. Which is why a system in which we marshal evidence to buttress claims is used rather than whatever you are putting forward here.
The rush to certitude about what did or did not happen is unhelpful.
Im not sure how you can suggest I wish to "ignore it" which is not anything I've said. Im merely encouraging people to withhold judgement against an accused person until you have more than what has been provided. What rights do you think you are providing to anyone - the accuser or the accused by implying that these posts reach a specific conclusion. As you me know, there is both good practical and theoretical reasons for having a system based on providing the accused opportunities to defend themselves as well as accusers to avail themselves or rights. We have a history in which racist mob rule controlled a large swath of the country and did not afford accused relevant means to redress that inequity. The system is flawed but it is better than whatever it is you think you are doing.
this is clearly the recourse these women feel most comfortable with discussing their experiences. they have absolutely zero reason to lie en masse. to imply that they are or to try to cast dispersions on what they’re saying is such small behavior. if you care about al, or community in general, you should want him rehabilitated and not jailed. calling out also means calling in. it’s a moment for his friends, mentors, etc to step up and help him change his behavior to be able to re-enter society as someone that can be trusted and give respect to the people in his life.
i obviously know that you’re just being prickly to be prickly and you don’t care about any of this. so for clarity, fuck you.
(1) The court of law is the forum to be heard free of judgement. People are free to exercise free speech rights, within limits, on any topic. I'd hardly call instagram a "judgement free" zone or to place to not want to "relive their trauma in front of strangers". So Im not sure this makes any sense.
(2) "Whole-stepping" around the law may appeal to people, but unfortunately it is not recognized as a legal means of recourse for an accuser, and very importantly for the accused. You seem to have divined the a whole set of reasons that you believe are good ideas for "whole-stepping" the law. The accusers here, at least thus far, have not suggested this. You are merely speculating their motives, including that they even wish to "whole step" the law.
(3) I have not accused or implied them to be lying or lying en masse. You should be more careful with such accusations.
(4) I'm not sure you should decide what is best for 'al. He is afforded certain rights under the law, and I dont think you should assume he agrees with your view that he should be "rehabilitated" or anything in regards to these accusations until he says so.
(5) Calling me "ornery' and lying that I suggest these women are lying, and ending this with a "fuck you," is worthless and shows your points are neither sharp nor well anchored. In your quest to string buzzwords together, it would maybe behoove you to learn more about not only the rights of the accused but familiarize yourself with two centuries of extralegal standards in which black men, not afforded rights to protect themselves against accusations, have been tried in the court of public opinion and sentenced to grizzly outcomes. It is one of the strong reasons we have a legal system that affords those accused of crimes to avail themselves of rights.
(6) What stated off as me merely suggesting people, including yourself, should not per se determine an outcome here has resulted in you deciding that Al committed felonies, that he does not deserve any legal rights or evidentiary standard before making that decision, and then inventing a lot ideas about why people are doing what they are doing here - none of which you know. I'll leave for others to determine the strength of your argument, but I would suggest you would not like to meet the justice that you are doling out to others.
How many times a day do you stroke it to Ben Shapiro?
I'm a left wing person who works in the legal domain. The fact that believe the core constitutional criminal legal procedure rights, as provided for by the 6th amendment, are controversial and associate the rights afforded to the accused as being right wing (or anything related a childlike Ben Shapiro), suggests you know nothing of which you speak, including the liberal rights you believe your are advancing.
More speaking about your auto-fellating, smug debate style than anything left/right wing. I could sit here and parse your word dumps and show that you are just as guilty of taking out comments to an imagined conclusion and you accuse us of doing.
What matters is, Converse shared a post where Al Davis praised the strong women in his life. A woman who wanted to share her personal experience with Al Davis’s treatment of women used that very post to make her (and seven other women’s) point. Not sure why she has to find some other method or medium to share her experiences to satisfy you, but good luck trying to take down the court of public opinion. I’m all those men accuse of sexual misdeeds who are completely innocent are indebted to your bravery.
Putting your thoughtless ad hominem to the side (maybe autofellatio to you but basically talking like an adult in the real word), your still changing the point. At no point do I say this woman should be silenced or she should choose a different medium for expressing her feelings. I made a very minor comment at the beginning about not be conclusive about al’s guilt and letting this play out. The woman and other woman should feel free to speak out as wherever they see fit. The two points don’t stand in contradiction. Chill and maybe let this unwind itself more before you determine someone to be guilty. That shouldn’t be controversial.
To your sarcastic and garbled point about my bravery. Sure, man, whatever. No one is being brave on this board, myself included. But if you spent some more time dealing with people accused of crimes, including drug crimes (I have no experience representing people accused of sex crimes), it might change your opinion on being quick to judgment.
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The original point is you dont know, and I dont know. Which is why a system in which we marshal evidence to buttress claims is used rather than whatever you are putting forward here.
The rush to certitude about what did or did not happen is unhelpful.
Im not sure how you can suggest I wish to "ignore it" which is not anything I've said. Im merely encouraging people to withhold judgement against an accused person until you have more than what has been provided. What rights do you think you are providing to anyone - the accuser or the accused by implying that these posts reach a specific conclusion. As you me know, there is both good practical and theoretical reasons for having a system based on providing the accused opportunities to defend themselves as well as accusers to avail themselves or rights. We have a history in which racist mob rule controlled a large swath of the country and did not afford accused relevant means to redress that inequity. The system is flawed but it is better than whatever it is you think you are doing.
this is clearly the recourse these women feel most comfortable with discussing their experiences. they have absolutely zero reason to lie en masse. to imply that they are or to try to cast dispersions on what they’re saying is such small behavior. if you care about al, or community in general, you should want him rehabilitated and not jailed. calling out also means calling in. it’s a moment for his friends, mentors, etc to step up and help him change his behavior to be able to re-enter society as someone that can be trusted and give respect to the people in his life.
i obviously know that you’re just being prickly to be prickly and you don’t care about any of this. so for clarity, fuck you.
(1) The court of law is the forum to be heard free of judgement. People are free to exercise free speech rights, within limits, on any topic. I'd hardly call instagram a "judgement free" zone or to place to not want to "relive their trauma in front of strangers". So Im not sure this makes any sense.
(2) "Whole-stepping" around the law may appeal to people, but unfortunately it is not recognized as a legal means of recourse for an accuser, and very importantly for the accused. You seem to have divined the a whole set of reasons that you believe are good ideas for "whole-stepping" the law. The accusers here, at least thus far, have not suggested this. You are merely speculating their motives, including that they even wish to "whole step" the law.
(3) I have not accused or implied them to be lying or lying en masse. You should be more careful with such accusations.
(4) I'm not sure you should decide what is best for 'al. He is afforded certain rights under the law, and I dont think you should assume he agrees with your view that he should be "rehabilitated" or anything in regards to these accusations until he says so.
(5) Calling me "ornery' and lying that I suggest these women are lying, and ending this with a "fuck you," is worthless and shows your points are neither sharp nor well anchored. In your quest to string buzzwords together, it would maybe behoove you to learn more about not only the rights of the accused but familiarize yourself with two centuries of extralegal standards in which black men, not afforded rights to protect themselves against accusations, have been tried in the court of public opinion and sentenced to grizzly outcomes. It is one of the strong reasons we have a legal system that affords those accused of crimes to avail themselves of rights.
(6) What stated off as me merely suggesting people, including yourself, should not per se determine an outcome here has resulted in you deciding that Al committed felonies, that he does not deserve any legal rights or evidentiary standard before making that decision, and then inventing a lot ideas about why people are doing what they are doing here - none of which you know. I'll leave for others to determine the strength of your argument, but I would suggest you would not like to meet the justice that you are doling out to others.
once again, fuck you. i genuinely, sincerely hope there are not people, especially women, in your life that depend on you for emotional support.
Why do people who think they are the good guy always do the tough guy internet thing? My points are simple, I understand the legal system well (I’ve represented people related to drug crimes), my points are simply that people should refrain from drawing conclusions immediately. The fact that this is controversial and invites your tough guy internet thing is on you.
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labor really put in work to make an ass of himself on this one
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Fuck this really bums me out if it's true, has anyone seen anyone else back up these accusations? She said that she was not the only victim of his.
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The original point is you dont know, and I dont know. Which is why a system in which we marshal evidence to buttress claims is used rather than whatever you are putting forward here.
The rush to certitude about what did or did not happen is unhelpful.
Im not sure how you can suggest I wish to "ignore it" which is not anything I've said. Im merely encouraging people to withhold judgement against an accused person until you have more than what has been provided. What rights do you think you are providing to anyone - the accuser or the accused by implying that these posts reach a specific conclusion. As you me know, there is both good practical and theoretical reasons for having a system based on providing the accused opportunities to defend themselves as well as accusers to avail themselves or rights. We have a history in which racist mob rule controlled a large swath of the country and did not afford accused relevant means to redress that inequity. The system is flawed but it is better than whatever it is you think you are doing.
this is clearly the recourse these women feel most comfortable with discussing their experiences. they have absolutely zero reason to lie en masse. to imply that they are or to try to cast dispersions on what they’re saying is such small behavior. if you care about al, or community in general, you should want him rehabilitated and not jailed. calling out also means calling in. it’s a moment for his friends, mentors, etc to step up and help him change his behavior to be able to re-enter society as someone that can be trusted and give respect to the people in his life.
i obviously know that you’re just being prickly to be prickly and you don’t care about any of this. so for clarity, fuck you.
(1) The court of law is the forum to be heard free of judgement. People are free to exercise free speech rights, within limits, on any topic. I'd hardly call instagram a "judgement free" zone or to place to not want to "relive their trauma in front of strangers". So Im not sure this makes any sense.
(2) "Whole-stepping" around the law may appeal to people, but unfortunately it is not recognized as a legal means of recourse for an accuser, and very importantly for the accused. You seem to have divined the a whole set of reasons that you believe are good ideas for "whole-stepping" the law. The accusers here, at least thus far, have not suggested this. You are merely speculating their motives, including that they even wish to "whole step" the law.
(3) I have not accused or implied them to be lying or lying en masse. You should be more careful with such accusations.
(4) I'm not sure you should decide what is best for 'al. He is afforded certain rights under the law, and I dont think you should assume he agrees with your view that he should be "rehabilitated" or anything in regards to these accusations until he says so.
(5) Calling me "ornery' and lying that I suggest these women are lying, and ending this with a "fuck you," is worthless and shows your points are neither sharp nor well anchored. In your quest to string buzzwords together, it would maybe behoove you to learn more about not only the rights of the accused but familiarize yourself with two centuries of extralegal standards in which black men, not afforded rights to protect themselves against accusations, have been tried in the court of public opinion and sentenced to grizzly outcomes. It is one of the strong reasons we have a legal system that affords those accused of crimes to avail themselves of rights.
(6) What stated off as me merely suggesting people, including yourself, should not per se determine an outcome here has resulted in you deciding that Al committed felonies, that he does not deserve any legal rights or evidentiary standard before making that decision, and then inventing a lot ideas about why people are doing what they are doing here - none of which you know. I'll leave for others to determine the strength of your argument, but I would suggest you would not like to meet the justice that you are doling out to others.
once again, fuck you. i genuinely, sincerely hope there are not people, especially women, in your life that depend on you for emotional support.
Why do people who think they are the good guy always do the tough guy internet thing? My points are simple, I understand the legal system well (I’ve represented people related to drug crimes), my points are simply that people should refrain from drawing conclusions immediately. The fact that this is controversial and invites your tough guy internet thing is on you.
not pretending to be tough or good. i would say the fact that you've dedicated your life to the legal system and your insisting upon it being known you've repped drug cases might highlight the fact that you're not able to see the legal system in the brutal light of day. i've got an extraordinary amount of people i love and cherish that have been sexually assaulted and attacked by people like this. frankly, they've been coerced, inappropriately touched or propositioned by people that run this same phony legal jargon nonsense after the fact. if i'm prickly in the hopes of giving women a fair shake in coming to terms with their own traumas i'm perfectly cool with that. i think you if you have a problem with it, you should maybe investigate yourself.
once again, and for clarity, fuck you. please, stay away from women or any other person you may be sexually attracted to until you do the necessary internal work to redefine enthusiastic consent and its implications. within yourself. i do it every time this topic is thrust upon me. it's important work.
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(1) The court of law is the forum to be heard free of judgement. People are free to exercise free speech rights, within limits, on any topic. I'd hardly call instagram a "judgement free" zone or to place to not want to "relive their trauma in front of strangers". So Im not sure this makes any sense.
Why you say this? Isn’t court of law where you go specifically FOR judgement?
Also, why a POC like Al Davis should trust US justice system is as questionable as why a victim of sexual assault should depend on same system for justice. Like you mentioned; history.
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Is it ad hominem if you make fun of a person whilst debating their points?
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Fuck this really bums me out if it's true, has anyone seen anyone else back up these accusations? She said that she was not the only victim of his.
Not necessarily these accusations but i can say this has happened in my crew.
He hit on my friends gf at a bar, saw my friend and proceeded to still mack
He caresses random girls ears in tenderloin bars and whispers sketchy shit
When i was 18 and had a 17 year old friend who wasnt really a skater but was just a girl that knew of skating, he sent her DMs to hit him up and kick it when he must of been between 34-36.
I always tripped out when i went to sf in my twenties but then i realized those fools would go to our college parties or kickbacks when there were no younger than 28 (the old guard of GX as in Yonnie and Al). I dont live there anymore so i kind of forgot about all that.
Im gonna be pretty honest, i know he gets a lot of love on SLAP but my old group in sf is hyped hes not skating and in the spotlight often. Dudes a bummer to even think about.
And i know a lot of you guys bring up legalities and the trivial-ness of instagram posts and their legitimacy, but I’ll just say from firsthand experience dude sucks as a person and even if he hasnt done anything that could face a court of law, i believe ive heard enough personal anecdotes from different people that have stories of him being a shit person to form an opinion.
In terms of retroactive justice, if i knew what was the right way to approach it i would tell you. But I’ll admit when i dont, so i am not going to pretend like i do.
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Fuck this really bums me out if it's true, has anyone seen anyone else back up these accusations? She said that she was not the only victim of his.
Not necessarily these accusations but i can say this has happened in my crew.
He hit on my friends gf at a bar, saw my friend and proceeded to still mack
He caresses random girls ears in tenderloin bars and whispers sketchy shit
When i was 18 and had a 17 year old friend who wasnt really a skater but was just a girl that knew of skating, he sent her DMs to hit him up and kick it when he must of been between 34-36.
I always tripped out when i went to sf in my twenties but then i realized those fools would go to our college parties or kickbacks when there were no younger than 28 (the old guard of GX as in Yonnie and Al). I dont live there anymore so i kind of forgot about all that.
Im gonna be pretty honest, i know he gets a lot of love on SLAP but my old group in sf is hyped hes not skating and in the spotlight often. Dudes a bummer to even think about.
And i know a lot of you guys bring up legalities and the trivial-ness of instagram posts and their legitimacy, but I’ll just say from firsthand experience dude sucks as a person and even if he hasnt done anything that could face a court of law, i believe ive heard enough personal anecdotes from different people that have stories of him being a shit person to form an opinion.
In terms of retroactive justice, if i knew what was the right way to approach it i would tell you. But I’ll admit when i dont, so i am not going to pretend like i do.
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You'd think going to the police would be the right move but rapists very rarely face any sort of consequence for their actions legally. Some people don't realize they've been raped or abused until years later after any sort of "evidence" is gone. Can't say what she SHOULD do since I'm not in her shoes but gathering info and having it set and prepared for the ensuing scrutiny she's going to face would be a good idea.
I've never been raped but i reckon id know right away as i was penetrated
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Fuck this really bums me out if it's true, has anyone seen anyone else back up these accusations? She said that she was not the only victim of his.
Not necessarily these accusations but i can say this has happened in my crew.
He hit on my friends gf at a bar, saw my friend and proceeded to still mack
He caresses random girls ears in tenderloin bars and whispers sketchy shit
When i was 18 and had a 17 year old friend who wasnt really a skater but was just a girl that knew of skating, he sent her DMs to hit him up and kick it when he must of been between 34-36.
I always tripped out when i went to sf in my twenties but then i realized those fools would go to our college parties or kickbacks when there were no younger than 28 (the old guard of GX as in Yonnie and Al). I dont live there anymore so i kind of forgot about all that.
Im gonna be pretty honest, i know he gets a lot of love on SLAP but my old group in sf is hyped hes not skating and in the spotlight often. Dudes a bummer to even think about.
And i know a lot of you guys bring up legalities and the trivial-ness of instagram posts and their legitimacy, but I’ll just say from firsthand experience dude sucks as a person and even if he hasnt done anything that could face a court of law, i believe ive heard enough personal anecdotes from different people that have stories of him being a shit person to form an opinion.
In terms of retroactive justice, if i knew what was the right way to approach it i would tell you. But I’ll admit when i dont, so i am not going to pretend like i do.
https://youtu.be/Fxm9bR1mxas
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I will wait for further information before forming an opinion
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Funny how these 'reasonable' calls for caution come up only when sexual assault or harassment are involved. Well, that and racist attacks/incidents. Misogyny and racism go hand in hand, I guess.
These guys are more than happy to ignore the fact that the legal system has so many times fucked the victims and that simply talking about rape is traumatic for them. But sure, let's be careful and not jump to any conclusions before (and only if) there is a trial and a verdict.
You raped me. You are going to jail.
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Before some of y’all start (or continue) chirping about how they want to hear both sides, they don’t believe the victim(s), or making hella offensive jokes about rape and minimizing the trauma it causes; let’s take a few minutes and realize how fucking insensitive and irresponsible that is.
If you don’t believe what’s being said I implore you to go over the file I will link, and if you’re too lazy to do that I will post a few highlights.
For what it’s worth, these facts are coming from The National Sexual Violence Resource Center.
The majority of sexual assaults, an estimated 63 percent, are never reported to the police (Rennison, 2002). The prevalence of false reporting cases of sexual violence is low (Lisak, Gardinier, Nicksa, & Cote, 2010), yet when survivors come forward, many face scrutiny or encounter barriers. For example, when an assault is reported, survivors may feel that their victimization has been redefined and even distorted by those who investigate, process, and categorize cases.
Understanding victim behavior
and its social context is critical to understanding the obstacles victims face in reporting. Incorrect ideas about rape, known as rape myths, are culturally ingrained. “Determining whether rapes are ‘real’ is intensely entangled in rape myths that blame victims, excuse rapists, and erroneously support that false rape claims are a common problem” (Belknap, 2010, P. 1335)
An unfounded report is a case that is investigated and found to be false or baseless. The ‘unfounded’ classification is often confused with false allegations, in part because the definitions may seem similar. For example, unfounded cases include those that law enforcement believes do not meet the legal criteria for rape. It does not mean that some form of sexual assault may not have occurred, but only that from the legal perspective, in that jurisdiction, the case does not meet the legal criteria, or it is “baseless.”
False report
A false report is a reported crime to a law enforcement agency that an investigation factually proves never occurred.
Baseless report
A baseless report is one in which it is determined that the incident does not meet the elements of the crime, but is presumed truthful.
Research shows that rates of false reporting
are frequently inflated, in part because of inconsistent definitions and protocols, or a weak understanding of sexual assault. Misconceptions about false reporting rates have direct, negative consequences and can contribute to why many victims don’t report sexual assaults (Lisak et al., 2010).
Sources:
https://www.nsvrc.org/sites/default/files/Publications_NSVRC_Overview_False-Reporting.pdf
https://www.nsvrc.org/statistics
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Bonita Applebaum. You lost. Take your L, and go home. Your cape is showing.
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The fact that people can't recognize aspects of both of these arguments as valid, hurts my brain/heart. This is an incredibly nuanced issue, women need to be heard and protected from these creeps, but at the same time we can't have a fucking unruly witch-hunt based on words alone. Have some fucking empathy, and try to think about the downsides of your preferred course of action. Both "solutions" right now have the potential to absolutely destroy perfectly good people, and that's wrong. Rapists should not go free, false accusations should have real consequences. Women should feel safe and confident in their ability to report this horrible shit and it be taken care of. Men should feel safe and confident in their innocence if they have done nothing to jeopardize it. Stop acting like you've got this shit figured out, because we clearly DON'T.
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The fact that people can't recognize aspects of both of these arguments as valid, hurts my brain/heart. This is an incredibly nuanced issue, women need to be heard and protected from these creeps, but at the same time we can't have a fucking unruly witch-hunt based on words alone. Have some fucking empathy, and try to think about the downsides of your preferred course of action. Both "solutions" right now have the potential to absolutely destroy perfectly good people, and that's wrong. Rapists should not go free, false accusations should have real consequences. Women should feel safe and confident in their ability to report this horrible shit and it be taken care of. Men should feel safe and confident in their innocence if they have done nothing to jeopardize it. Stop acting like you've got this shit figured out, because we clearly DON'T.
This stuff gets so polarizing on here, nice to see someone who can see the merits of every side.
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The fact that people can't recognize aspects of both of these arguments as valid, hurts my brain/heart. This is an incredibly nuanced issue, women need to be heard and protected from these creeps, but at the same time we can't have a fucking unruly witch-hunt based on words alone. Have some fucking empathy, and try to think about the downsides of your preferred course of action. Both "solutions" right now have the potential to absolutely destroy perfectly good people, and that's wrong. Rapists should not go free, false accusations should have real consequences. Women should feel safe and confident in their ability to report this horrible shit and it be taken care of. Men should feel safe and confident in their innocence if they have done nothing to jeopardize it. Stop acting like you've got this shit figured out, because we clearly DON'T.
This.
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the sooner people admit the system is broken we can start to work on changing it- pretending that IG/social media is a valid method for dispensing justice, esp something as sensitive and nuanced as sexual assault is just as dumb as thinking the legal system as it stands will dispense anything resembling unbiased judgement, both in regards to sexuality as well as the history of race in this country.
trying to pretend it’s an either/or dichotomy is incredibly foolish.
fuck anyone who ever disrespects a woman.
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the sooner people admit the system is broken we can start to work on changing it- pretending that IG/social media is a valid method for dispensing justice, esp something as sensitive and nuanced as sexual assault is just as dumb as thinking the legal system as it stands will dispense anything resembling unbiased judgement, both in regards to sexuality as well as the history of race in this country.
trying to pretend it’s an either/or dichotomy is incredibly foolish.
fuck anyone who ever disrespects a woman.
Nah dog, fuck nuance and grey area. I just want to pick a side and fight until nothing gets solved and we're all a lot angrier.
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The fact that people can't recognize aspects of both of these arguments as valid, hurts my brain/heart. This is an incredibly nuanced issue, women need to be heard and protected from these creeps, but at the same time we can't have a fucking unruly witch-hunt based on words alone. Have some fucking empathy, and try to think about the downsides of your preferred course of action. Both "solutions" right now have the potential to absolutely destroy perfectly good people, and that's wrong. Rapists should not go free, false accusations should have real consequences. Women should feel safe and confident in their ability to report this horrible shit and it be taken care of. Men should feel safe and confident in their innocence if they have done nothing to jeopardize it. Stop acting like you've got this shit figured out, because we clearly DON'T.
This.
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The fact that people can't recognize aspects of both of these arguments as valid, hurts my brain/heart. This is an incredibly nuanced issue, women need to be heard and protected from these creeps, but at the same time we can't have a fucking unruly witch-hunt based on words alone. Have some fucking empathy, and try to think about the downsides of your preferred course of action. Both "solutions" right now have the potential to absolutely destroy perfectly good people, and that's wrong. Rapists should not go free, false accusations should have real consequences. Women should feel safe and confident in their ability to report this horrible shit and it be taken care of. Men should feel safe and confident in their innocence if they have done nothing to jeopardize it. Stop acting like you've got this shit figured out, because we clearly DON'T.
This.
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The fact that people can't recognize aspects of both of these arguments as valid, hurts my brain/heart. This is an incredibly nuanced issue, women need to be heard and protected from these creeps, but at the same time we can't have a fucking unruly witch-hunt based on words alone. Have some fucking empathy, and try to think about the downsides of your preferred course of action. Both "solutions" right now have the potential to absolutely destroy perfectly good people, and that's wrong. Rapists should not go free, false accusations should have real consequences. Women should feel safe and confident in their ability to report this horrible shit and it be taken care of. Men should feel safe and confident in their innocence if they have done nothing to jeopardize it. Stop acting like you've got this shit figured out, because we clearly DON'T.
This.
This
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Cousin rapist
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The fact that people can't recognize aspects of both of these arguments as valid, hurts my brain/heart. This is an incredibly nuanced issue, women need to be heard and protected from these creeps, but at the same time we can't have a fucking unruly witch-hunt based on words alone. Have some fucking empathy, and try to think about the downsides of your preferred course of action. Both "solutions" right now have the potential to absolutely destroy perfectly good people, and that's wrong. Rapists should not go free, false accusations should have real consequences. Women should feel safe and confident in their ability to report this horrible shit and it be taken care of. Men should feel safe and confident in their innocence if they have done nothing to jeopardize it. Stop acting like you've got this shit figured out, because we clearly DON'T.
When is the last time such a barrage of accusations and stories ended up NOT being true? False accusations are obviously bad but statistically speaking it is a total anomaly when it comes to these situations. Can you name a single situation in skateboarding where someone spoke out against someone, had a decent crowd backing their statement, and it was totally false? If you genuinely care to have a nuanced opinion on this you should read up on this and understand why taking to social media about these issues is not some unreasonable "cancel culture" attack.
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The fact that people can't recognize aspects of both of these arguments as valid, hurts my brain/heart. This is an incredibly nuanced issue, women need to be heard and protected from these creeps, but at the same time we can't have a fucking unruly witch-hunt based on words alone. Have some fucking empathy, and try to think about the downsides of your preferred course of action. Both "solutions" right now have the potential to absolutely destroy perfectly good people, and that's wrong. Rapists should not go free, false accusations should have real consequences. Women should feel safe and confident in their ability to report this horrible shit and it be taken care of. Men should feel safe and confident in their innocence if they have done nothing to jeopardize it. Stop acting like you've got this shit figured out, because we clearly DON'T.
When have sexual assault and/or rape allegations completely destroyed a pro skater's life?
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The fact that people can't recognize aspects of both of these arguments as valid, hurts my brain/heart. This is an incredibly nuanced issue, women need to be heard and protected from these creeps, but at the same time we can't have a fucking unruly witch-hunt based on words alone. Have some fucking empathy, and try to think about the downsides of your preferred course of action. Both "solutions" right now have the potential to absolutely destroy perfectly good people, and that's wrong. Rapists should not go free, false accusations should have real consequences. Women should feel safe and confident in their ability to report this horrible shit and it be taken care of. Men should feel safe and confident in their innocence if they have done nothing to jeopardize it. Stop acting like you've got this shit figured out, because we clearly DON'T.
When is the last time such a barrage of accusations and stories ended up NOT being true? False accusations are obviously bad but statistically speaking it is a total anomaly when it comes to these situations. Can you name a single situation in skateboarding where someone spoke out against someone, had a decent crowd backing their statement, and it was totally false? If you genuinely care to have a nuanced opinion on this you should read up on this and understand why taking to social media about these issues is not some unreasonable "cancel culture" attack.
Absolutely. This is essential and you nailed it.
Now for me to be a bitch....
Fuck a man feeling safe in his innocence
No man is innocent, and that's the real issue here
It's gonna be the same stupid merry go round of Not All Men until All Men get that shit in their heads
Now if you'll excuse me I'm gonna fuck off cause this shit is depressing.
I hate this world and I hate that this shit is fucking NORMAL.
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The fact that people can't recognize aspects of both of these arguments as valid, hurts my brain/heart. This is an incredibly nuanced issue, women need to be heard and protected from these creeps, but at the same time we can't have a fucking unruly witch-hunt based on words alone. Have some fucking empathy, and try to think about the downsides of your preferred course of action. Both "solutions" right now have the potential to absolutely destroy perfectly good people, and that's wrong. Rapists should not go free, false accusations should have real consequences. Women should feel safe and confident in their ability to report this horrible shit and it be taken care of. Men should feel safe and confident in their innocence if they have done nothing to jeopardize it. Stop acting like you've got this shit figured out, because we clearly DON'T.
When is the last time such a barrage of accusations and stories ended up NOT being true? False accusations are obviously bad but statistically speaking it is a total anomaly when it comes to these situations. Can you name a single situation in skateboarding where someone spoke out against someone, had a decent crowd backing their statement, and it was totally false? If you genuinely care to have a nuanced opinion on this you should read up on this and understand why taking to social media about these issues is not some unreasonable "cancel culture" attack.
Absolutely. This is essential and you nailed it.
Now for me to be a bitch....
Fuck a man feeling safe in his innocence
No man is innocent, and that's the real issue here
It's gonna be the same stupid merry go round of Not All Men until All Men get that shit in their heads
Now if you'll excuse me I'm gonna fuck off cause this shit is depressing.
I hate this world and I hate that this shit is fucking NORMAL.
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Funny how these 'reasonable' calls for caution come up only when sexual assault or harassment are involved. Well, that and racist attacks/incidents. Misogyny and racism go hand in hand, I guess.
These guys are more than happy to ignore the fact that the legal system has so many times fucked the victims and that simply talking about rape is traumatic for them. But sure, let's be careful and not jump to any conclusions before (and only if) there is a trial and a verdict.
You raped me. You are going to jail.
You're a grown-ass man who gets off on edgelording in threads about racism and sexual assault. You're pathetic. Bye.
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The fact that people can't recognize aspects of both of these arguments as valid, hurts my brain/heart. This is an incredibly nuanced issue, women need to be heard and protected from these creeps, but at the same time we can't have a fucking unruly witch-hunt based on words alone. Have some fucking empathy, and try to think about the downsides of your preferred course of action. Both "solutions" right now have the potential to absolutely destroy perfectly good people, and that's wrong. Rapists should not go free, false accusations should have real consequences. Women should feel safe and confident in their ability to report this horrible shit and it be taken care of. Men should feel safe and confident in their innocence if they have done nothing to jeopardize it. Stop acting like you've got this shit figured out, because we clearly DON'T.
I really hope you've never said this to victims of rape and sexual assault.
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Man, I knew I was getting agreed with too much on SLAP for that to continue haha. Just a couple quick clarifications before I exit this convo. I said false accusations have the POTENTIAL to ruin lives, I feel that's pretty obvious. I agree with pizza that more accusations are legit than not, however I don't feel that the potential of ruining an innocent person's life is a cost ever worth paying. Alan, I have no issue stating this to anyone, and I'm completely compassionate towards all victims of assault, I have no idea what you're getting at.
Fuck a man feeling safe in his innocence
No man is innocent, and that's the real issue here
There's no sense in trying to reason with the unreasonable. I sincerely wish all victims of assault get the justice they deserve, and I fear the day an innocent person's life lays in the hands of another person's words alone. I'm out of this thread, I promised myself no more serious discussions on SLAP, and I'm remembering why. Have a good one guys, and be good to eachother.
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The fact that people can't recognize aspects of both of these arguments as valid, hurts my brain/heart. This is an incredibly nuanced issue, women need to be heard and protected from these creeps, but at the same time we can't have a fucking unruly witch-hunt based on words alone. Have some fucking empathy, and try to think about the downsides of your preferred course of action. Both "solutions" right now have the potential to absolutely destroy perfectly good people, and that's wrong. Rapists should not go free, false accusations should have real consequences. Women should feel safe and confident in their ability to report this horrible shit and it be taken care of. Men should feel safe and confident in their innocence if they have done nothing to jeopardize it. Stop acting like you've got this shit figured out, because we clearly DON'T.
When is the last time such a barrage of accusations and stories ended up NOT being true? False accusations are obviously bad but statistically speaking it is a total anomaly when it comes to these situations. Can you name a single situation in skateboarding where someone spoke out against someone, had a decent crowd backing their statement, and it was totally false? If you genuinely care to have a nuanced opinion on this you should read up on this and understand why taking to social media about these issues is not some unreasonable "cancel culture" attack.
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I said false accusations have the POTENTIAL to ruin lives, I feel that's pretty obvious.
Why even bring this up? This sort of talk only serves to discredit the victim. Also, it's a weird sort of compassion to tell a victim that it's possible they're lying.
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The fact that people can't recognize aspects of both of these arguments as valid, hurts my brain/heart. This is an incredibly nuanced issue, women need to be heard and protected from these creeps, but at the same time we can't have a fucking unruly witch-hunt based on words alone. Have some fucking empathy, and try to think about the downsides of your preferred course of action. Both "solutions" right now have the potential to absolutely destroy perfectly good people, and that's wrong. Rapists should not go free, false accusations should have real consequences. Women should feel safe and confident in their ability to report this horrible shit and it be taken care of. Men should feel safe and confident in their innocence if they have done nothing to jeopardize it. Stop acting like you've got this shit figured out, because we clearly DON'T.
When is the last time such a barrage of accusations and stories ended up NOT being true? False accusations are obviously bad but statistically speaking it is a total anomaly when it comes to these situations. Can you name a single situation in skateboarding where someone spoke out against someone, had a decent crowd backing their statement, and it was totally false? If you genuinely care to have a nuanced opinion on this you should read up on this and understand why taking to social media about these issues is not some unreasonable "cancel culture" attack.
I’m not saying that’s the case here, these accusations seem 100%, I’m just saying that it’s not always that cut and dry
What happened to the skater? Was his life destroyed?
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Damn i was hoping scumbag was a company or smth.
I thought Al Davis left Quasi for Scum Co. & Sons....now I'm just sad on this rainy afternoon.
If these multiple accusations are true...I wonder if Quasi will kick him off
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Always found his skating super boring. Another skater with more style than substance. If these accusations are true I hope the victims get as much justice and support as possible.
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oh fun, once again, dudes of slap not understanding sexual abuse and trauma. this will go super well
if this is true, it's a massive bummer, and i hope the women get the help and justice they deserve
I appreciate people like you.
To those who do not have a clue, do some reading that doesn’t involve this board and other nonsense.
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how can someone switch tre so beautifully and be so ugly inside :'(
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I have literally no useful opinion on Al's case in particular but I've been thinking lately-- you know what's interesting? I feel like the cancellations happen mostly to people that use their image to sell shit.
Like somehow, your ability to get publically called out is directly proportional to how much you use your name and image (or companies use them) in the public sphere, social media, etc. That's maybe why a public callout is so rife in skateboarding: the whole industry is based on image building and cults of personality. But its also true for politicians, huge influencers, actors, etc etc. Jim from your local paper companies' Accounting department with no instagram does not get cancelled in this fashion.
For a long time we were sold products because of his tasteful midwest ripper cool factor. And indeed the girl was responding to a Cons post, which is technically an ad cashing in on his public image to sell shoes.
I don't know quite what I'm getting at, but maybe when you work in an industry where you make money because your name and image is thrust into other peoples lives, then maybe you should expect some negative things to come from that. Yin/Yang, there's no free lunch, etc etc. If you want to run your sex life hard and fast and be aggro/creepy/forceful with women, just something to think about: your name is out there. You aren't some random dude. Yes, that's how you make your money, but there's gotta be downsides to skating for a living, traveling the world, and not doing 9-5 wage slave shit like the rest of us. this is probably one of them.
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I have literally no useful opinion on Al's case in particular but I've been thinking lately-- you know what's interesting? I feel like the cancellations happen mostly to people that use their image to sell shit.
Like somehow, your ability to get publically called out is directly proportional to how much you use your name and image (or companies use them) in the public sphere, social media, etc. That's maybe why a public callout is so rife in skateboarding: the whole industry is based on image building and cults of personality. But its also true for politicians, huge influencers, actors, etc etc. Jim from your local paper companies' Accounting department with no instagram does not get cancelled in this fashion.
For a long time we were sold products because of his tasteful midwest ripper cool factor. And indeed the girl was responding to a Cons post, which is technically an ad cashing in on his public image to sell shoes.
I don't know quite what I'm getting at, but maybe when you work in an industry where you make money because your name and image is thrust into other peoples lives, then maybe you should expect some negative things to come from that. Yin/Yang, there's no free lunch, etc etc. If you want to run your sex life hard and fast and be aggro/creepy/forceful with women, just something to think about: your name is out there. You aren't some random dude. Yes, that's how you make your money, but there's gotta be downsides to skating for a living, traveling the world, and not doing 9-5 wage slave shit like the rest of us. this is probably one of them.
Imagine hearing a story about someone being a rapist and your chief concern is "cancel culture".
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Isn't that just a long winded way of saying only famous people get cancelled? That seems kind of obvious, you can't get cancelled if there's nothing to cancel you from. Although I'm with others in this thread that the whole notion of cancelling is bollocks anyway
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The fact that people can't recognize aspects of both of these arguments as valid, hurts my brain/heart. This is an incredibly nuanced issue, women need to be heard and protected from these creeps, but at the same time we can't have a fucking unruly witch-hunt based on words alone. Have some fucking empathy, and try to think about the downsides of your preferred course of action. Both "solutions" right now have the potential to absolutely destroy perfectly good people, and that's wrong. Rapists should not go free, false accusations should have real consequences. Women should feel safe and confident in their ability to report this horrible shit and it be taken care of. Men should feel safe and confident in their innocence if they have done nothing to jeopardize it. Stop acting like you've got this shit figured out, because we clearly DON'T.
When is the last time such a barrage of accusations and stories ended up NOT being true? False accusations are obviously bad but statistically speaking it is a total anomaly when it comes to these situations. Can you name a single situation in skateboarding where someone spoke out against someone, had a decent crowd backing their statement, and it was totally false? If you genuinely care to have a nuanced opinion on this you should read up on this and understand why taking to social media about these issues is not some unreasonable "cancel culture" attack.
Absolutely. This is essential and you nailed it.
Now for me to be a bitch....
Fuck a man feeling safe in his innocence
No man is innocent, and that's the real issue here
It's gonna be the same stupid merry go round of Not All Men until All Men get that shit in their heads
Now if you'll excuse me I'm gonna fuck off cause this shit is depressing.
I hate this world and I hate that this shit is fucking NORMAL.
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Imagine hearing a story about someone being a rapist and your chief concern is "cancel culture".
yo... not my "chief concern" whatsoever and I almost instantly regret using the word "cancel" as it almost appears as though i'm belittling it. That's just the term that came to mind. Its just some side thoughts on social media and how it relates to an industry based on marketing and image.
Isn't that just a long winded way of saying only famous people get cancelled? That seems kind of obvious, you can't get cancelled if there's nothing to cancel you from.
yes, that's a more concise way of saying it.
But that's kind of the key right? It's so hard for me to even imagine feeling bad for the "accused". this is what you signed up for; trading being in the public sphere in order to sell shit to kids' parents and be able to have an alternative lifestyle.
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Wait, wait, wait...a non-rich black dude that operates in mostly white spaces made it to eight rapes before it was reported to police?
We need to separate the persona from the crime and understand that people we like can do gross things, but also get the message out there that victims need to go to police with this stuff. Instagram or a Slap thread isn’t shit and has done nothing to any of the people accused.
I understand officers suck at believing women, but trust me...they’ll believe you a whole lot more when a non famous black guy is involved.
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Wait, wait, wait...a non-rich black dude that operates in mostly white spaces made it to eight rapes before it was reported to police?
We need to separate the persona from the crime and understand that people we like can do gross things, but also get the message out there that victims need to go to police with this stuff. Instagram or a Slap thread isn’t shit and has done nothing to any of the people accused.
I understand officers suck at believing women, but trust me...they’ll believe you a whole lot more when a non famous black guy is involved.
Who's to say that they haven't?
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Wait, wait, wait...a non-rich black dude that operates in mostly white spaces made it to eight rapes before it was reported to police?
We need to separate the persona from the crime and understand that people we like can do gross things, but also get the message out there that victims need to go to police with this stuff. Instagram or a Slap thread isn’t shit and has done nothing to any of the people accused.
I understand officers suck at believing women, but trust me...they’ll believe you a whole lot more when a non famous black guy is involved.
Fair point, but if he was in a legal situation like that I don’t see a big corporation still backing him. Not dropping Nyjah is one thing, because of the money involved. But it’s nothing to let go of Al Davis.
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labor really put in work to make an ass of himself on this one
Actually that labor person is the only one seeing this in a rational way.
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labor really put in work to make an ass of himself on this one
Actually that labor person is the only one seeing this in a rational way.
Correct.
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Maybe labor could argue that Al was merely asked to bust up 8 chifferobes.
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Wow I don't understand at all why they wouldn't go to the police after being raped...
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/19/us/police-sexual-assaults-maryland-scope
Also this is entirely based off of convictions. How many do you think didn't get reported or further investigated? Probably the majority.
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Wow I don't understand at all why they wouldn't go to the police after being raped...
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/19/us/police-sexual-assaults-maryland-scope
Also this is entirely based off of convictions. How many do you think didn't get reported or further investigated? Probably the majority.
Yeah the police also get away with murder all the time, but they’re your go-to when a murder happens, not Instagram (well...unless you’re live streaming a police murder).
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Wow I don't understand at all why they wouldn't go to the police after being raped...
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/19/us/police-sexual-assaults-maryland-scope
Also this is entirely based off of convictions. How many do you think didn't get reported or further investigated? Probably the majority.
Yeah the police also get away with murder all the time, but they’re your go-to when a murder happens, not Instagram.
I understand what you're saying but when police have consistently proved that they either don't take sexual assault seriously or even that they are often the perpetrators of sexual assault, than we can't base whether or not accusations are valid strictly off of whether or not they were reported to the police.
There are definitely certain issues when it comes to using instagram as a place to hold people accountable for their shitty actions, but when the justice system fails victims again and again, it can become the only option especially to people in marginalized communities.
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Imagine hearing a story about someone being a rapist and your chief concern is "cancel culture".
yo... not my "chief concern" whatsoever and I almost instantly regret using the word "cancel" as it almost appears as though i'm belittling it. That's just the term that came to mind. Its just some side thoughts on social media and how it relates to an industry based on marketing and image.
You opened your post saying that you have no opinion on the subject being discussed and proceeded on some stupid tangent about social media. How the fuck else am I supposed to take that?
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Wow I don't understand at all why they wouldn't go to the police after being raped...
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/19/us/police-sexual-assaults-maryland-scope
Also this is entirely based off of convictions. How many do you think didn't get reported or further investigated? Probably the majority.
Yeah the police also get away with murder all the time, but they’re your go-to when a murder happens, not Instagram.
That's a good point. In the grand scheme of the judicial system.... The police are the ones I trust the least.
But unfortunately there is little alternative.
I can't speak for other countries but in my country rape/abuse is taken seriously and will certainly be prosecuted by the DPP once the case is presented to them.
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If we could somehow harness the power of debate within threads about racism or sexual assault we may be able to find the key to renewable energy.
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Wow I don't understand at all why they wouldn't go to the police after being raped...
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/19/us/police-sexual-assaults-maryland-scope
Also this is entirely based off of convictions. How many do you think didn't get reported or further investigated? Probably the majority.
Yeah the police also get away with murder all the time, but they’re your go-to when a murder happens, not Instagram.
That's a good point. In the grand scheme of the judicial system.... The police are the ones I trust the least.
But unfortunately there is little alternative.
I can't speak for other countries but in my country rape/abuse is taken seriously and will certainly be prosecuted by the DPP once the case is presented to them.
It is probably different in other places but I have seen for myself that in the United States victims of rape are often looked down upon. I have watched friends of mine be subject to claims of "being dramatic", or just straight up victim blaming "what were you wearing" "how much had you drank." This shit is incredibly common here, both with police and non police, to the point where nearly every female friend of mine has been a victim of sexual assault that has either gone unreported or not investigated.
I could link some overly academic articles about police's perception of victims of rape but I'll spare you because it's not a pleasant read.
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Imagine hearing a story about someone being a rapist and your chief concern is "cancel culture".
yo... not my "chief concern" whatsoever and I almost instantly regret using the word "cancel" as it almost appears as though i'm belittling it. That's just the term that came to mind. Its just some side thoughts on social media and how it relates to an industry based on marketing and image.
Reread the post. I meant "i have nothing to add about whether he's guilty or not". Words aren't easy but I'm not gonna apologize for trying just because you're all fired up and interpreted what I said differently than i meant. I don't know why you're so mad, especially when i'm saying i think the accused in these situations dont deserve as much sympathy as they seem to get.
but i suspect you don't actually care what I was trying to say and are just trying to make me look stupid and insensitive at all costs, so shalom to you
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Imagine hearing a story about someone being a rapist and your chief concern is "cancel culture".
yo... not my "chief concern" whatsoever and I almost instantly regret using the word "cancel" as it almost appears as though i'm belittling it. That's just the term that came to mind. Its just some side thoughts on social media and how it relates to an industry based on marketing and image.
Reread the post. I meant "i have nothing to add about whether he's guilty or not". Words aren't easy but I'm not gonna apologize for trying just because you're all fired up and interpreted what I said differently than i meant. I don't know why you're so mad, especially when i'm saying i think the accused in these situations dont deserve as much sympathy as they seem to get.
but i suspect you don't actually care what I was trying to say and are just trying to make me look stupid and insensitive at all costs, so shalom to you
If you have nothing to add then don't write a multi paragraph post about a different subject that's been beaten to death, you daft fucking idiot. No, I don't care what you were trying to say. It was dumb and it makes you look stupid and insensitive about a serious subject.
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If we could somehow harness the power of debate within threads about racism or sexual assault we may be able to find the key to renewable energy.
Both of these things are more important than skateboarding.
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wait..why is she calling out converse? Does converse know about these accusations? Cause if not....why call them out on it?
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i mean i just don’t understand why someone would just lash out and make these statements if it weren’t somewhat true? say they did have some sort of emotional involvement with one another and he just broke her heart, i can see someone being upset about that, but not accusing them of rape and abuse because that’s just way too much unless that did actually happen. instagram story or legal action, i believe the victim.
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wait..why is she calling out converse? Does converse know about these accusations? Cause if not....why call them out on it?
that's the 'cancelling' in question. She (and I do not blame her) wants al off converse because he is a rapist, and she understands that a company like that would not like to platform someone with credible rape allegations against them. that's the point of posting about it this way, as opposed to getting blown off by the police. It's a different form of punishment that is ultimately easier on the culprit than getting locked up, but still kicks them out of their industry, putting them in a position where they can't hurt people so easily. Ultimately it seems like a shitty situation where these women can't do much beyond calling the behavior out. Power to them
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not surprised, heard he was being gross towards women on a cons australia tour. he's washed and wears silly hats
free max b
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"Why don't they go to the police and go the legal route???"
Here's an article about how rape kits for unsolved/uncharged cases were destroyed
https://www.kare11.com/mobile/article/news/investigations/kare-11-investigates-police-in-minnesota-destroyed-hundreds-of-rape-kits-putting-cases-in-peril/89-1ff69998-cabe-49ce-998c-771e5f0f61dc (https://www.kare11.com/mobile/article/news/investigations/kare-11-investigates-police-in-minnesota-destroyed-hundreds-of-rape-kits-putting-cases-in-peril/89-1ff69998-cabe-49ce-998c-771e5f0f61dc)
And here's one about undercover cops sexually assaulting women
https://www.kare11.com/mobile/article/news/minneapolis-drops-undercover-massage-prostitution-stings/89-105428393 (https://www.kare11.com/mobile/article/news/minneapolis-drops-undercover-massage-prostitution-stings/89-105428393)
What should these women have done?
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Imagine hearing a story about someone being a rapist and your chief concern is "cancel culture".
yo... not my "chief concern" whatsoever and I almost instantly regret using the word "cancel" as it almost appears as though i'm belittling it. That's just the term that came to mind. Its just some side thoughts on social media and how it relates to an industry based on marketing and image.
Reread the post. I meant "i have nothing to add about whether he's guilty or not". Words aren't easy but I'm not gonna apologize for trying just because you're all fired up and interpreted what I said differently than i meant. I don't know why you're so mad, especially when i'm saying i think the accused in these situations dont deserve as much sympathy as they seem to get.
but i suspect you don't actually care what I was trying to say and are just trying to make me look stupid and insensitive at all costs, so shalom to you
If you have nothing to add then don't write a multi paragraph post about a different subject that's been beaten to death, you daft fucking idiot. No, I don't care what you were trying to say. It was dumb and it makes you look stupid and insensitive about a serious subject.
Hey pizza, I love ya and all, but can you calm the hell down already? The person that you are tearing apart has made it abundantly clear that they were are on your (the right) side of the argument.
I get that abuse (in any form) is an exceedingly contentious topic, and I understand your anger (especially when dealing with some of the turds on here), but you've been on a warpath all day and it's really not going to solve anything, especially when attacking people based on whether you determine their opinion to be valid or not.
I wish that I had something better to say in regards to the Davis situation. As somebody that had to deal with abuse for well over a decade of their childhood, topics like these (and the subsequent arguments/trolling/etc. that inevitably follow it) kinda throw my head into a whirlwind. For fuck's sake though, PLEASE believe all accusations until proven otherwise. I can assure you that opening up to somebody (let alone an entire platform) about being abused is beyond "difficult". It's a trauma like nothing else (coupling guilt, seething hatred, fear, physical/mental pain, emotions that don't seem to hold a basis in logic, etc.). Be decent to the people around you, it's not that fucking difficult.
I'm sorry if I've added nothing to the conversation. This thread has taken me to a brutally upsetting place that I definitely wasn't expecting.
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But you guys are acting like Instagram works better than the police in these situations when you know it’s not true, even with the high levels of incompetence. Sexual assault is a fucking crime, not a learning opportunity.
At best calling out cons will pressure Al to make a statement, he’s probably gonna deny it, then it’s a “he said she said” that eventually goes away like the other three threads similar to this one.
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At best calling out cons will pressure Al to make a statement, he’s probably gonna deny it, then it’s a “he said she said” that eventually goes away like the other three threads similar to this one.
Yeah but that's not because the survivors approach it wrong
It's because at the end of the day no one gives a fuck
Cops, detectives, CEOs, team managers, other pros
No one gives a single fuck
What's some bitch to them? We don't mean shit
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But you guys are acting like Instagram works better than the police in these situations when you know it’s not true, even with the high levels of incompetence. Sexual assault is a fucking crime, not a learning opportunity.
At best calling out cons will pressure Al to make a statement, he’s probably gonna deny it, then it’s a “he said she said” that eventually goes away like the other three threads similar to this one.
Calling out and holding the companies and industry that back dudes like this is a valid option when the police in your country are notorious for again not only not taking rape and other forms of sexual assault seriously, but actually committing those crimes themselves.
Like yeah you're right and this would be a completely valid take if you removed the entire history of police in the United States from the context. Going through instagram may not be an ideal route but at the end of the day it is completely understandable why someone would choose to go that route, when the entirety of the legal system is notorious for failing victims of sexual assault.
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A very low bar to clear, but at least Grant/WKND acknowledged AND did something about the accusations, regardless of their other missteps.
Cons has been consistently fucking up with the character of their team. Jason Jessee, KA, and Al Davis. Yeesh
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A very low bar to clear, but at least Grant/WKND acknowledged AND did something about the accusations, regardless of their other missteps.
Cons has been consistently fucking up with the character of their team. Jason Jessee, KA, and Al Davis. Yeesh
Never been a better time to switch to Last Resort's
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But you guys are acting like Instagram works better than the police in these situations when you know it’s not true, even with the high levels of incompetence. Sexual assault is a fucking crime, not a learning opportunity.
At best calling out cons will pressure Al to make a statement, he’s probably gonna deny it, then it’s a “he said she said” that eventually goes away like the other three threads similar to this one.
Like yeah you're right and this would be a completely valid take if you removed the entire history of police in the United States from the context. Going through instagram may not be an ideal route but at the end of the day it is completely understandable why someone would choose to go that route, when the entirety of the legal system is notorious for failing victims of sexual assault.
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i think it’s important to point out that going to the police and posting on IG aren’t mutually exclusive either.
not that i’d advocate for going to the police ever but i’m also not the victim(s)
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wait..why is she calling out converse? Does converse know about these accusations? Cause if not....why call them out on it?
that's the 'cancelling' in question. She (and I do not blame her) wants al off converse because he is a rapist, and she understands that a company like that would not like to platform someone with credible rape allegations against them. that's the point of posting about it this way, as opposed to getting blown off by the police. It's a different form of punishment that is ultimately easier on the culprit than getting locked up, but still kicks them out of their industry, putting them in a position where they can't hurt people so easily. Ultimately it seems like a shitty situation where these women can't do much beyond calling the behavior out. Power to them
Good point. I saw it as "Fuck cons for keeping this rapist on the team, while Cons having no idea that this has occurred", kinda thing.
I'm in no way denying her or the other victim's statements. I hope this does lead to Cons doing something about it if true.
And their team...KA, Jason, and now Al? Damn.
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Probably more effective to take to @ leejberman (cons Tm) or chad bowers (quasi) to get them to see the comments, but most of the commenters don’t seem to realize this isn’t a new partnership between cons and Al Davis
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Everyone needs to get of their pulpit stand. We all can agree that rape and sexual abuse against women is heinous and should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. Is out justice system perfect no? It never will be that’s just human nature folks. So because you feel the justice system is rigged or whatever doesn’t mean these women should avoid going to the police. If they have legitimate facts backing their statement, It would be highly likely that the accuser would be punished. Some people need to realize that simply saying on a Instagram post of about abuse, doesn’t mean 100% guilt. Like many others have stated let’s wait for more Information with valid facts to then make a decision. I personally have had a friend who lost his reputation because his ex accused of these horrible acts he never committed. She simply wanted to get at him for hurting her. Nor am I saying that every girl who posts about abuse is lying. Just that we can’t take Instagram posts on face value.
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Imagine hearing a story about someone being a rapist and your chief concern is "cancel culture".
yo... not my "chief concern" whatsoever and I almost instantly regret using the word "cancel" as it almost appears as though i'm belittling it. That's just the term that came to mind. Its just some side thoughts on social media and how it relates to an industry based on marketing and image.
Reread the post. I meant "i have nothing to add about whether he's guilty or not". Words aren't easy but I'm not gonna apologize for trying just because you're all fired up and interpreted what I said differently than i meant. I don't know why you're so mad, especially when i'm saying i think the accused in these situations dont deserve as much sympathy as they seem to get.
but i suspect you don't actually care what I was trying to say and are just trying to make me look stupid and insensitive at all costs, so shalom to you
If you have nothing to add then don't write a multi paragraph post about a different subject that's been beaten to death, you daft fucking idiot. No, I don't care what you were trying to say. It was dumb and it makes you look stupid and insensitive about a serious subject.
Hey pizza, I love ya and all, but can you calm the hell down already? The person that you are tearing apart has made it abundantly clear that they were are on your (the right) side of the argument.
I get that abuse (in any form) is an exceedingly contentious topic, and I understand your anger (especially when dealing with some of the turds on here), but you've been on a warpath all day and it's really not going to solve anything, especially when attacking people based on whether you determine their opinion to be valid or not.
I wish that I had something better to say in regards to the Davis situation. As somebody that had to deal with abuse for well over a decade of their childhood, topics like these (and the subsequent arguments/trolling/etc. that inevitably follow it) kinda throw my head into a whirlwind. For fuck's sake though, PLEASE believe all accusations until proven otherwise. I can assure you that opening up to somebody (let alone an entire platform) about being abused is beyond "difficult". It's a trauma like nothing else (coupling guilt, seething hatred, fear, physical/mental pain, emotions that don't seem to hold a basis in logic, etc.). Be decent to the people around you, it's not that fucking difficult.
I'm sorry if I've added nothing to the conversation. This thread has taken me to a brutally upsetting place that I definitely wasn't expecting.
just wanna say you’re loved and respected here. by opening yourself up personally you’ve added to the conversation, and i hope that you’ve found some solace from opening up and some healing from the brutal place. if not, or if you (or anyone) needs more conversing in a private space, my PMs are open
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so that’s why he wears the camo stuff
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Wow I don't understand at all why they wouldn't go to the police after being raped...
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/19/us/police-sexual-assaults-maryland-scope
Also this is entirely based off of convictions. How many do you think didn't get reported or further investigated? Probably the majority.
Yeah the police also get away with murder all the time, but they’re your go-to when a murder happens, not Instagram (well...unless you’re live streaming a police murder).
There's generally a lot more evidence that a murder has taken place than a rape
Murder victims don't get to decide whether to report the crime to the police or not
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Wow I don't understand at all why they wouldn't go to the police after being raped...
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/19/us/police-sexual-assaults-maryland-scope
Also this is entirely based off of convictions. How many do you think didn't get reported or further investigated? Probably the majority.
Yeah the police also get away with murder all the time, but they’re your go-to when a murder happens, not Instagram (well...unless you’re live streaming a police murder).
There's generally a lot more evidence that a murder has taken place than a rape
Murder victims don't get to decide whether to report the crime to the police or not
Yeah of course, murders are much easier to trace than rape. The victim also doesn’t have to deal with the shame or fear of addressing police because they’re dead, I get that.
I look at it like this: If you knew your daughter or niece was a victim of sexual assault - or any violent crime - you’re going to go to the police with that shit. I would find it hard to believe that someone closely connected to something like that would suggest that Instagram is a better route. Based on the kook bomb and comments here, it’s an unpopular opinion, but that’s how I see it.
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Wow I don't understand at all why they wouldn't go to the police after being raped...
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/19/us/police-sexual-assaults-maryland-scope
Also this is entirely based off of convictions. How many do you think didn't get reported or further investigated? Probably the majority.
Yeah the police also get away with murder all the time, but they’re your go-to when a murder happens, not Instagram (well...unless you’re live streaming a police murder).
There's generally a lot more evidence that a murder has taken place than a rape
Murder victims don't get to decide whether to report the crime to the police or not
Yeah of course, murders are much easier to trace than rape. The victim also doesn’t have to deal with the shame or fear of addressing police because they’re dead, I get that.
I look at it like this: If you knew your daughter or niece was a victim of sexual assault - or any violent crime - you’re going to go to the police with that shit. I would find it hard to believe that someone closely connected to something like that would suggest that Instagram is a better route. Based on the kook bomb and comments here, it’s an unpopular opinion, but that’s how I see it.
I'm assuming that they did go to the police but they didn't have any tangible evidence or enough time had passed where the legal route was not an option... or an investigation yielded no legal basis for punishing Al (see the Julz Lynn/Neil Hendrix case). So their next option was blasting him on IG.
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Imagine actually thinking the police care about rape/sexual assault survivors.
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Kids are impressionable; they see their favorite pro at a party or at a demo or signing acting like a total creep/scumbag towards women, they’re gonna think it’s ok to do so too. Said creep pro gets called out for it on social media, realizes he’s not invincible with that shit, and hopefully thinks twice about being a total creep, and maybe even puts out some sort of post denouncing that behavior, thus in turn showing impressionable kids that that sort of behavior is not ok and comes with repercussions, which will hopefully in turn make some of them think twice about being creeps and make them aware that behavior is not ok. Yeah, I see no harm here in social media call outs. Only loser here is the accused, and if it turns out he is innocent then he’ll probably bounce back from it with little to no repercussions anyways; hell, he’ll probably bounce back with no repercussions regardless cuz 95% of the time that’s just the cycle that shit goes in when it happens.
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I have literally had a therapist tell me I have no right to hate and not trust our legal system because I never reported what happened to me when I was 6 years old. Like somehow its my fault it kept happening , rapists typically threaten their victims and manipulate them in order force them to remain silent, mine did.
In cases like this when accused has the potential to harm others I will always trust the victims first.
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Imagine actually thinking the police care about rape/sexual assault survivors.
(https://www.rainn.org/sites/default/files/Out_Of_1000_SexualAssaults_053019.png)
Well according to that infographic 770 of 1000 perpetrators get away because they weren’t reported. A fifth of what does get reported leads to an arrest. Pretty lousy, but still better than not reporting. Especially if you can identify the guy and have 8 different accounts of his bullshit.
As someone mentioned before she could have reported, but I don’t see Cons knowingly backing Al if something like that was looming.
I have literally had a therapist tell me I have no right to hate and not trust our legal system because I never reported what happened to me when I was 6 years old. Like somehow its my fault it kept happening , rapists typically threaten their victims and manipulate them in order force them to remain silent, mine did.
In cases like this when accused has the potential to harm others I will always trust the victims first.
That’s pretty fucked, you were a 6 year old. What were you supposed to do?
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Kids are impressionable; they see their favorite pro at a party or at a demo or signing acting like a total creep/scumbag towards women, they’re gonna think it’s ok to do so too. Said creep pro gets called out for it on social media, realizes he’s not invincible with that shit, and hopefully thinks twice about being a total creep, and maybe even puts out some sort of post denouncing that behavior, thus in turn showing impressionable kids that that sort of behavior is not ok and comes with repercussions, which will hopefully in turn make some of them think twice about being creeps and make them aware that behavior is not ok. Yeah, I see no harm here in social media call outs. Only loser here is the accused, and if it turns out he is innocent then he’ll probably bounce back from it with little to no repercussions anyways; hell, he’ll probably bounce back with no repercussions regardless cuz 95% of the time that’s just the cycle that shit goes in when it happens.
I think you're right for the most part when it comes to doing creepy shit, like the anecdotes that were given about Al earlier in the thread have. Those anecdotes definitely make him look sleazy and definitely not the best dude, but I think that's something that he could move on from if he took accountability and changed his actions in the future. That being said what Al is being accused of is much worse than run of the mill creepy shit, it's rape and physical abuse. Anyways, I hope the severity of what he has been accused of doesn't get swept under the rug by his sponsors, and that they address it some form and kick him off if he is guilty.
Also is it just me or does it really make absolutely no sense why his sponsors are still sticking by him? Dude hasn't skated in years and years to the point where you would think they would jump at the opportunity to cut him.
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Imagine actually thinking the police care about rape/sexual assault survivors.
(https://www.rainn.org/sites/default/files/Out_Of_1000_SexualAssaults_053019.png)
https://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-police-discover-1-700-untested-rape-kits-spanning-30-years/564989082/
Agreed, when I saw this I was fuming.
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At this point, it’s a wonder Converse doesn’t just throw in the towel on the Cons skate program.
Between 1010, KA, and now this biz about Al Davis being a r*pist, their rep has taken a beating.
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This will forever make me wonder what Dela meant by ¨who gives a fuck what that girl thinks¨
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAi6yOhsiDc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAi6yOhsiDc)
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Also is it just me or does it really make absolutely no sense why his sponsors are still sticking by him? Dude hasn't skated in years and years to the point where you would think they would jump at the opportunity to cut him.
The IG post is like 48 hours old lmao
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Fuck Al Davis but
Slap is a court made by criminals.
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Kinda makes me glad I punted on copping a Cousin Records hoodie.
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Yeah you know it's really fucked how this shit always turns into the Dudes Encyclopedia Of How Survivors Should Handle Their Trauma
A part of me hates being the bitch on here but you know everyone doing that shit should be ashamed of yourselves
This is why nothing ever happens to rapists and abusers
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At this point, it’s a wonder Converse doesn’t just throw in the towel on the Cons skate program.
Between 1010, KA, and now this biz about Al Davis being a r*pist, their rep has taken a beating.
Why would they turf the whole program due to a few bad eggs who they have parted ways with?
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Yeah you know it's really fucked how this shit always turns into the Dudes Encyclopedia Of How Survivors Should Handle Their Trauma
A part of me hates being the bitch on here but you know everyone doing that shit should be ashamed of yourselves
This is why nothing ever happens to rapists and abusers
thank god we have posting on the internet, that’ll def fix the wounded discombobulated mess of our legal system and take down patriarchy no if’s and’s or but’s
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Sarcastic posts help even less.
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Sarcastic posts help even less.
again- it’s a shame we’re so devoid of imagination as a species that we can’t possibly think of solutions to the problems facing us beyond “using instagram” or “going to a laughably inept and uncaring legal system”.
there’s no right answer and pretending like anyone knows better deserves sarcasm. sorry.
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I'd say solutions exist, it's just that there's no political will to enforce them, especially when it comes to policing. I don't think it's surprising that victims don't trust cops, and chose to talk about this on the internet. Also, like others have said, we don't know whether she went to the police or not. Besides, women have been warning each other about shitty dudes (not necessarily rapists or abusers) forever, it's not a new thing.
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Yeah you know it's really fucked how this shit always turns into the Dudes Encyclopedia Of How Survivors Should Handle Their Trauma
A part of me hates being the bitch on here but you know everyone doing that shit should be ashamed of yourselves
This is why nothing ever happens to rapists and abusers
thank god we have posting on the internet, that’ll def fix the wounded discombobulated mess of our legal system and take down patriarchy no if’s and’s or but’s
There have been things I've read on this message board that made me rethink my attitude and want to change my behavior. Specifically some things that @Armin Tamzarian explained about micro-aggression and language that really shook me. They tried to explain to SLAP why so much casual acceptance of language caused them incredible pain and I watched as some SLAP posters responded by blaming queer over sensitivity, believing that the people who have used homophobic language were the norm and unfair social expectations were the lens perceiving them. These SLAP posters actually saw themselves as the victims of their past homophobic language rather than the queer persons they unknowingly or knowingly hurt.
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preaching ain’t teaching playboy
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preaching ain’t teaching playboy
yeah and comebacks aren't listening
look I'm just saying there's value in the opportunity to recognize these voices
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Sarcastic posts help even less.
again- it’s a shame we’re so devoid of imagination as a species that we can’t possibly think of solutions to the problems facing us beyond “using instagram” or “going to a laughably inept and uncaring legal system”.
there’s no right answer and pretending like anyone knows better deserves sarcasm. sorry.
Out of genuine curiosity, what OTHER imaginative solutions would you propose since both of the avenues previously discussed here in are flawed.
Beyond legal sanction/punishment, or public shaming/castigation, what are some other options available to victims?
Obviously, the legal system is in need of fixing, or a complete rebuild that isn’t based on excluding certain classes of citizen, but is that the responsibility of the victims to take on and affect, before they can receive justice?
I agree there should be other channels for dealing w/ this, but as our system stands at present, what are your thoughts/ideas on how to go about this.
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Sarcastic posts help even less.
again- it’s a shame we’re so devoid of imagination as a species that we can’t possibly think of solutions to the problems facing us beyond “using instagram” or “going to a laughably inept and uncaring legal system”.
there’s no right answer and pretending like anyone knows better deserves sarcasm. sorry.
It's a shame you're so devoid of any empathy and imagination that you can't possibly see any situation from other perspective than your own.
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Okay gatekeeping troll. Obviously not the main point, and You’re using a trivial thing to shrug this off .. makes you perhaps seem insincere.
"R*pe" haha. Sorry i can't take someone seriously who talks like this. It's too hip for something as serious as rape . makes it look insincere .
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LOL my dude
First off: you'll notice I've made no defense of survivors posting their story on the internet, and I have no stake in the argument about whether going to the cops is the better way. I'm not interested in that debate. You curiously have assumed I'm making an argument that I have not made.
So let me make this plain.
In order to solve the problem we need to identify the problem:
The problem is rapists.
The problem is abusers.
The problem will never be solved by what survivors do with their case. This is because they didn't cause the problem in the first place. Put simplest: they are not the problem.
It doesn't require any imagination to get to this conclusion.
I'm not pretending to know better. I'm just not being an ass. It's very easy.
If you really think it takes a force of imagination to see what the solution to rape and abuse is, well my friend you are fucking heartless.
The only solution to this problem is for rapists and abusers to .... hmmm ... not rape and abuse.
I know it's radical, perhaps unimaginable - take your time.
Lastly: the reason why it's such a shameful waste of time to critique survivors is cause it's not the fucking point. Survivors always get pinned with the responsibility of getting RAPED and ABUSED. The conversation becomes one of what a survivor ought to do with their story, and never a conversation of what the fuck actually went wrong.
Sit with that. I know you won't, but I'll still ask you to.
Patriarchy has nothing to do with this by the way. That's laughably not the point. Shows where your head's at but I digress.
Anyway suck my shriveled sack, full offense
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LOL my dude
First off: you'll notice I've made no defense of survivors posting their story on the internet, and I have no stake in the argument about whether going to the cops is the better way. I'm not interested in that debate. You curiously have assumed I'm making an argument that I have not made.
So let me make this plain.
In order to solve the problem we need to identify the problem:
The problem is rapists.
The problem is abusers.
The problem will never be solved by what survivors do with their case. This is because they didn't cause the problem in the first place. Put simplest: they are not the problem.
It doesn't require any imagination to get to this conclusion.
I'm not pretending to know better. I'm just not being an ass. It's very easy.
If you really think it takes a force of imagination to see what the solution to rape and abuse is, well my friend you are fucking heartless.
The only solution to this problem is for rapists and abusers to .... hmmm ... not rape and abuse.
I know it's radical, perhaps unimaginable - take your time.
Lastly: the reason why it's such a shameful waste of time to critique survivors is cause it's not the fucking point. Survivors always get pinned with the responsibility of getting RAPED and ABUSED. The conversation becomes one of what a survivor ought to do with their story, and never a conversation of what the fuck actually went wrong.
Sit with that. I know you won't, but I'll still ask you to.
Patriarchy has nothing to do with this by the way. That's laughably not the point. Shows where your head's at but I digress.
Anyway suck my shriveled sack, full offense
^^^Pretty much sums it up.
Also, let me add this, to emphasize my agreement:
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Yeah you know it's really fucked how this shit always turns into the Dudes Encyclopedia Of How Survivors Should Handle Their Trauma
A part of me hates being the bitch on here but you know everyone doing that shit should be ashamed of yourselves
This is why nothing ever happens to rapists and abusers
thank god we have posting on the internet, that’ll def fix the wounded discombobulated mess of our legal system and take down patriarchy no if’s and’s or but’s
Lol. You got emotional and couldn't help but post the dumbest strawman argument imaginable. Very sad stuff.
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LOL my dude
First off: you'll notice I've made no defense of survivors posting their story on the internet, and I have no stake in the argument about whether going to the cops is the better way. I'm not interested in that debate. You curiously have assumed I'm making an argument that I have not made.
So let me make this plain.
In order to solve the problem we need to identify the problem:
The problem is rapists.
The problem is abusers.
The problem will never be solved by what survivors do with their case. This is because they didn't cause the problem in the first place. Put simplest: they are not the problem.
It doesn't require any imagination to get to this conclusion.
I'm not pretending to know better. I'm just not being an ass. It's very easy.
If you really think it takes a force of imagination to see what the solution to rape and abuse is, well my friend you are fucking heartless.
The only solution to this problem is for rapists and abusers to .... hmmm ... not rape and abuse.
I know it's radical, perhaps unimaginable - take your time.
Lastly: the reason why it's such a shameful waste of time to critique survivors is cause it's not the fucking point. Survivors always get pinned with the responsibility of getting RAPED and ABUSED. The conversation becomes one of what a survivor ought to do with their story, and never a conversation of what the fuck actually went wrong.
Sit with that. I know you won't, but I'll still ask you to.
Patriarchy has nothing to do with this by the way. That's laughably not the point. Shows where your head's at but I digress.
Anyway suck my shriveled sack, full offense
Also, let me add this, to emphasize my agreement:
!!!
One more time for the people in the back.
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sorry i was overcome by class rage
edit: i was totally projecting and conflating what armin was saying with the outlook and attitudes of every ~20 year old person who moves to my area and jacks my rent up. it wasn’t correct and i apologize.
that being said i think this still cause for deeper nuance then “lol what even ARE men” or whatever. at no point was i backing al or his behavior- simply saying that the machismo that’s endemic in the west is not gonna be undone with snotty sloganeering. i also at no point said the victim behaved or acted incorrectly and i think they should take whatever route they think will deliver them the most peace of mind. i’m just saying if you want to actually fix the problem it’s going to take more than stating the obvious (sexual assault is wrong) over and over.
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Cons finally booted him
Where are you seeing this? He's still on their team page and the original IG post is still up.
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sorry i was overcome by class rage
edit: i was totally projecting and conflating what armin was saying with the outlook and attitudes of every ~20 year old person who moves to my area and jacks my rent up. it wasn’t correct and i apologize.
that being said i think this still cause for deeper nuance then “lol what even ARE men” or whatever. at no point was i backing al or his behavior- simply saying that the machismo that’s endemic in the west is not gonna be undone with snotty sloganeering. i also at no point said the victim behaved or acted incorrectly and i think they should take whatever route they think will deliver them the most peace of mind. i’m just saying if you want to actually fix the problem it’s going to take more than stating the obvious (sexual assault is wrong) over and over.
Thanks for apologizing that the price of rent somehow managed to keep you from sympathizing with victims of sexual assault. I also thought it was neat when you accused those who do openly sympathize with them of "snotty sloganeering" and then went on to claim you're against talking about it at all because it's not solution-oriented, while not offering any solutions yourself.
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sorry i was overcome by class rage
edit: i was totally projecting and conflating what armin was saying with the outlook and attitudes of every ~20 year old person who moves to my area and jacks my rent up. it wasn’t correct and i apologize.
It was more than not correct, it was pretty offensive.
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sorry i was overcome by class rage
edit: i was totally projecting and conflating what armin was saying with the outlook and attitudes of every ~20 year old person who moves to my area and jacks my rent up. it wasn’t correct and i apologize.
that being said i think this still cause for deeper nuance then “lol what even ARE men” or whatever. at no point was i backing al or his behavior- simply saying that the machismo that’s endemic in the west is not gonna be undone with snotty sloganeering. i also at no point said the victim behaved or acted incorrectly and i think they should take whatever route they think will deliver them the most peace of mind. i’m just saying if you want to actually fix the problem it’s going to take more than stating the obvious (sexual assault is wrong) over and over.
Thanks for apologizing that the price of rent somehow managed to keep you from sympathizing with victims of sexual assault. I also thought it was neat when you accused those who do openly sympathize with them of "snotty sloganeering" and then went on to claim you're against talking about it at all because it's not solution-oriented, while not offering any solutions yourself.
Also too, victims of sexual assault and rape would like to be heard and taken seriously first before talks about "solutions" can even begin.
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sorry i was overcome by class rage
edit: i was totally projecting and conflating what armin was saying with the outlook and attitudes of every ~20 year old person who moves to my area and jacks my rent up. it wasn’t correct and i apologize.
that being said i think this still cause for deeper nuance then “lol what even ARE men” or whatever. at no point was i backing al or his behavior- simply saying that the machismo that’s endemic in the west is not gonna be undone with snotty sloganeering. i also at no point said the victim behaved or acted incorrectly and i think they should take whatever route they think will deliver them the most peace of mind. i’m just saying if you want to actually fix the problem it’s going to take more than stating the obvious (sexual assault is wrong) over and over.
Thanks for apologizing that the price of rent somehow managed to keep you from sympathizing with victims of sexual assault. I also thought it was neat when you accused those who do openly sympathize with them of "snotty sloganeering" and then went on to claim you're against talking about it at all because it's not solution-oriented, while not offering any solutions yourself.
hey, fuck you cause this did not happen. you don’t know my experiences w/r/t sexual assault and at no point was i victim blaming- you’re just looking for a reason to be mad because i think what armin’s doing is unproductive in actually fighting rape culture/patriarchy.
as someone who grew up in an environment that propagated a lot of unhealthy attitudes towards women i will say it took a lot of patient people time to teach me why these attitudes were bad and help me see other perspectives. undoing what capitalism has done to us is going to take patience and the belief that people (men included) are capable of changing.
there’s already people doing prison outreach and the like- if there was a way to do it on the day to day i’d be first in line to assist but i honestly don’t have a solution other than “let’s try to see people as capable of change and not inhuman monsters that we just hope go away” because that doesn’t fix the root causes of this disgusting fucked up behavior, seen?
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Hey so, I keep getting my name thrown around with things I never said and never suggested.
i honestly don’t have a solution other than “let’s try to see people as capable of change and not inhuman monsters that we just hope go away” because that doesn’t fix the root causes of this disgusting fucked up behavior, seen?
This particular conclusion is very troubling. I never entertained the thought of whether rapists are capable of change or even monstrous individuals. Like many arguments you have assumed I am making - but am explicitly not - it is simply not my interest.
All I have argued & suggested - over and over again - is that rape and abuse is purely the responsibility of rapists and abusers. To me, this is the only essential argument to solving the problem of rape and abuse. Everything else is secondary at best. This has nothing to do with rape culture; this has nothing to do with patriarchy; those are distracting terms that get used as red herrings.
The reason why my argument is so specific, is because here and in any community of skaters (to think small) the responsibility for rape and abuse is never accepted; it always devolves into a gossip party about how kids are ruining the world and survivors are apparently very bad at dealing with a trauma that we haven't experienced.
Again: my only argument is and will always remain the argument that rapists and abusers are solely responsible for rape and abuse. I find it really puzzling why this continues to trigger you, and why you continue to project onto me and the imaginary bubble of quote-unquote 'individuals like me' when you have no knowledge of my age, background, life experiences - etc.
I would not project like that onto you or anyone I was arguing with because it is both a waste of time and an admission of not having anything of value to say.
Now I will try to bring it all home, because I'm tired.
Prioritizing the need for people - any person - to unlearn harmful behaviors that enable rape and abuse will always be futile if the full responsibility for rape and abuse is never established. It's like trying to teach someone to drive on the highway before they can drive on the neighborhood roads.
In my opinion, you do not know how to drive on the neighborhood roads, but are trying to have a showdown with me on the highway. If you need me, I'll be back on the small streets trying to stick to the basics.
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ALSO pardon the double post but let me make this clear:
I'm stupid, I'm flawed, I'm a bitch, I'm mentally ill, I'm unstable, I'm often wrong, I have many mistakes I've needed to correct, I have many regrets I'll need to live with for my whole life, I'm a nervous person, I suck at many things, I don't have all the answers, and I don't even think I have many answers.
None of these things contradict having a point to make. I'm not better than you and I'm not better than anyone. I'm not wise. I just have feelings and I'm gonna fucking let them speak for themselves.
Shalom.
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ALSO pardon the double post but let me make this clear:
I'm stupid, I'm flawed, I'm a bitch, I'm mentally ill, I'm unstable, I'm often wrong, I have many mistakes I've needed to correct, I have many regrets I'll need to live with for my whole life, I'm a nervous person, I suck at many things, I don't have all the answers, and I don't even think I have many answers.
None of these things contradict having a point to make. I'm not better than you and I'm not better than anyone. I'm not wise. I just have feelings and I'm gonna fucking let them speak for themselves.
Shalom.
I’m on team Armin.
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ALSO pardon the double post but let me make this clear:
I'm stupid, I'm flawed, I'm a bitch, I'm mentally ill, I'm unstable, I'm often wrong, I have many mistakes I've needed to correct, I have many regrets I'll need to live with for my whole life, I'm a nervous person, I suck at many things, I don't have all the answers, and I don't even think I have many answers.
None of these things contradict having a point to make. I'm not better than you and I'm not better than anyone. I'm not wise. I just have feelings and I'm gonna fucking let them speak for themselves.
Shalom.
I’m on team Armin.
Right?!?
I mean, I want this discussion to continue for all kinds of reasons, but I kinda feel like [/thread] after that, ya’ know?
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ALSO pardon the double post but let me make this clear:
I'm stupid, I'm flawed, I'm a bitch, I'm mentally ill, I'm unstable, I'm often wrong, I have many mistakes I've needed to correct, I have many regrets I'll need to live with for my whole life, I'm a nervous person, I suck at many things, I don't have all the answers, and I don't even think I have many answers.
None of these things contradict having a point to make. I'm not better than you and I'm not better than anyone. I'm not wise. I just have feelings and I'm gonna fucking let them speak for themselves.
Shalom.
I’m on team Armin.
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sorry i was overcome by class rage
edit: i was totally projecting and conflating what armin was saying with the outlook and attitudes of every ~20 year old person who moves to my area and jacks my rent up. it wasn’t correct and i apologize.
that being said i think this still cause for deeper nuance then “lol what even ARE men” or whatever. at no point was i backing al or his behavior- simply saying that the machismo that’s endemic in the west is not gonna be undone with snotty sloganeering. i also at no point said the victim behaved or acted incorrectly and i think they should take whatever route they think will deliver them the most peace of mind. i’m just saying if you want to actually fix the problem it’s going to take more than stating the obvious (sexual assault is wrong) over and over.
Thanks for apologizing that the price of rent somehow managed to keep you from sympathizing with victims of sexual assault. I also thought it was neat when you accused those who do openly sympathize with them of "snotty sloganeering" and then went on to claim you're against talking about it at all because it's not solution-oriented, while not offering any solutions yourself.
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LOL my dude
First off: you'll notice I've made no defense of survivors posting their story on the internet, and I have no stake in the argument about whether going to the cops is the better way. I'm not interested in that debate. You curiously have assumed I'm making an argument that I have not made.
So let me make this plain.
In order to solve the problem we need to identify the problem:
The problem is rapists.
The problem is abusers.
The problem will never be solved by what survivors do with their case. This is because they didn't cause the problem in the first place. Put simplest: they are not the problem.
It doesn't require any imagination to get to this conclusion.
I'm not pretending to know better. I'm just not being an ass. It's very easy.
If you really think it takes a force of imagination to see what the solution to rape and abuse is, well my friend you are fucking heartless.
The only solution to this problem is for rapists and abusers to .... hmmm ... not rape and abuse.
I know it's radical, perhaps unimaginable - take your time.
Lastly: the reason why it's such a shameful waste of time to critique survivors is cause it's not the fucking point. Survivors always get pinned with the responsibility of getting RAPED and ABUSED. The conversation becomes one of what a survivor ought to do with their story, and never a conversation of what the fuck actually went wrong.
Sit with that. I know you won't, but I'll still ask you to.
Patriarchy has nothing to do with this by the way. That's laughably not the point. Shows where your head's at but I digress.
Anyway suck my shriveled sack, full offense
Also, let me add this, to emphasize my agreement:
!!!
One more time for the people in the back.
And a fourth time for anyone who still missed it.
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So is Converse just going to pretend like this never happened and keep Al on the team?
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So is Converse just going to pretend like this never happened and keep Al on the team?
Or maybe they’ll pretend like this never happened and quietly drop him, hoping nobody beyond SLAP (and the victims) pays notice.
I’m not putting much stock in a public statement on their part.
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"R*pe" haha. Sorry i can't take someone seriously who talks like this. It's too hip for something as serious as rape . makes it look insincere .
People type it that way because Instagram sometimes removes stories and posts with “rape” written in full. Also, it’s sad that’s all you took away from this post, and can disregard something so serious over something as insignificant as spelling. Not saying he’s guilty, I’m just saying don’t disregard an accusation like that over something so trivial.
Some of y’all are so certain about Nyjah being a rapist when his accuser calls him out on Twitter, but when it’s a “cool guy” like Al everyone all the sudden wants to deny it, because the girl spoke out on Instagram.
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So is Converse just going to pretend like this never happened and keep Al on the team?
I’m not putting much stock in a public statement on their part.
converse is 100% not going to say anything because they probably can’t terminate his contract immediately and they definitely don’t want to open themselves up to a libel suit. if he’s not on the team page, that’s the most anyone’s gonna get
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Do people still wear his cousin records stuff or whatever it is?
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Do people still wear his cousin records stuff or whatever it is?
i look at mine in shame all the time now
i want a refund
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Has Al released any kind of public statement regarding all this? I haven't been paying 100% attention. The rule is: "you have 24 hours before the public controls the narrative" isn't it?
There's enough evidence out there for never back anything he does again but I'd like to see a statement of some kind.
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its crazy that people bought that scifi ripoff 'cousin' shit to begin with. shit was designed on MS Piaint and printed on gilden tees. marked up 600%
also i didnnt know dude was 44 hahah keep it movin ya comedy store secuity geezer.
Also: dela is equally insufferable as a human. i dont give a shit what anyone can do on a skateboard, some people just suck at existing. especially when drunk 247. and habitat is fucking done but i doubt anyone else is willing to deal with him.
bunch of 40 somethings pretending to be 19 drinking fucking budlight at skatespots and yelling LETSGOO. give it up.
free max b
free max b
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its crazy that people bought that scifi ripoff 'cousin' shit to begin with. shit was designed on MS Piaint and printed on gilden tees. marked up 600%
also i didnnt know dude was 44 hahah keep it movin ya comedy store secuity geezer.
Also: dela is equally insufferable as a human. i dont give a shit what anyone can do on a skateboard, some people just suck at existing. especially when drunk 247. and habitat is fucking done but i doubt anyone else is willing to deal with him.
bunch of 40 somethings pretending to be 19 drinking fucking budlight at skatespots and yelling LETSGOO. give it up.
free max b
free max b
really disturbing thinking now about how a few women posted on their stories a while back thanking cousin records for the package sent to them consisting of sweaters & shirts.
can’t forget how dela was part of the black rock incident.
some of the comments on the cons post are from those who’ve had personal experiences with him. one comment says al & yonnie cruz both abused his sister when she was 17. seriously, what the fuck is up with that crew?
another comment says it happened to her, her friend and multiple others, and that al contacts women in barcelona, sf, ohio, australia & new york. (sending them packages as well, perhaps?)
trash.
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its crazy that people bought that scifi ripoff 'cousin' shit to begin with. shit was designed on MS Piaint and printed on gilden tees. marked up 600%
also i didnnt know dude was 44 hahah keep it movin ya comedy store secuity geezer.
Also: dela is equally insufferable as a human. i dont give a shit what anyone can do on a skateboard, some people just suck at existing. especially when drunk 247. and habitat is fucking done but i doubt anyone else is willing to deal with him.
bunch of 40 somethings pretending to be 19 drinking fucking budlight at skatespots and yelling LETSGOO. give it up.
free max b
free max b
Worse
Russell.
Dude blocked everyone who connected on that cons post. If that isn't guilty IDK what is
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Still weird to see Pals_Questions supportive comment on there. Also “funny” to see @Spacetravelisboring defending al
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Still weird to see Pals_Questions supportive comment on there. Also “funny” to see @Spacetravelisboring defending al
Damn, i just checked the comments for the first time. It's pretty brutal. Converse really just ignoring all that? Their marketing team is as shitty as their shoes
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Still weird to see Pals_Questions supportive comment on there. Also “funny” to see @Spacetravelisboring defending al
What post are you referring to ? Can you link me
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Still weird to see Pals_Questions supportive comment on there. Also “funny” to see @Spacetravelisboring defending al
What post are you referring to ? Can you link me
Here's the link, and screenshots. The screenshots are scrollshots, so the thumbnail only shows the top of each. There's heeeeeaaaps of comments.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CMciJcIBFMq/?igshid=ooafekgwosqv
(https://i.ibb.co/KGCFmPm/IMG-20210324-225750.jpg) (https://ibb.co/KGCFmPm)
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ALSO pardon the double post but let me make this clear:
I'm stupid, I'm flawed, I'm a bitch, I'm mentally ill, I'm unstable, I'm often wrong, I have many mistakes I've needed to correct, I have many regrets I'll need to live with for my whole life, I'm a nervous person, I suck at many things, I don't have all the answers, and I don't even think I have many answers.
None of these things contradict having a point to make. I'm not better than you and I'm not better than anyone. I'm not wise. I just have feelings and I'm gonna fucking let them speak for themselves.
Shalom.
Man, Armin, you spoke to me. Went on a sweet hypomanic ride that turned to severe depression. It's like you you are speaking my mind.
Always dug his skating but this is pretty unsavory. Always pictured him and Dela as chill dudes. I need to quit making stories in my head about people I don't know
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Still weird to see Pals_Questions supportive comment on there. Also “funny” to see @Spacetravelisboring defending al
What post are you referring to ? Can you link me
https://www.instagram.com/p/CMciJcIBFMq/?igshid=ooafekgwosqv
(https://i.ibb.co/KGCFmPm/IMG-20210324-225750.jpg) (https://ibb.co/KGCFmPm)
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Dam
Bad bad baaaaaaad
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Still weird to see Pals_Questions supportive comment on there. Also “funny” to see @Spacetravelisboring defending al
No surprise there. What's his handle on IG?
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People are fighting the wars with fucking sycophants of rape on that post, I can only imagine how exhausting that is. But they still find a way to say the funniest shit, so I really just want to highlight the following quote from one of the comments:
"Oh and his generic flea market hotep granny art is whack as fuck too. Nobody wants to see that shit"
I love all of you, even the ones I hate
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Still weird to see Pals_Questions supportive comment on there. Also “funny” to see @Spacetravelisboring defending al
It’s also Spacetravelisboring. He’s replied to several people with variations of “how do you know for sure”
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Again, do you all think Cons or Quasi will raise the issue, or will they just stay mute. I'm actually really curious to see how Quasi handles this issue because Al is one of their pros and I believe the most senior pro on the team.
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Has Al released any kind of public statement regarding all this? I haven't been paying 100% attention. The rule is: "you have 24 hours before the public controls the narrative" isn't it?
There's enough evidence out there for never back anything he does again but I'd like to see a statement of some kind.
If Al has a lawyer then his lawyer is probably telling him to keep his mouth shut til further notice. If you’re not good or intricate with words (which I doubt Al is) then a half assed insincere social media apology is probably just going to make things worse.
Surprised that post is still up on Cons Instagram with all the comments too.
I’m surprised Cons doesn’t have a special “scumbag PR team” set up yet to deal with situations just like this; Jason Jesse, KA, Al Davis..... They sure know how to choose em.
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Still weird to see Pals_Questions supportive comment on there. Also “funny” to see @Spacetravelisboring defending al
What post are you referring to ? Can you link me
https://www.instagram.com/p/CMciJcIBFMq/?igshid=ooafekgwosqv
(https://i.ibb.co/KGCFmPm/IMG-20210324-225750.jpg) (https://ibb.co/KGCFmPm)
(https://i.ibb.co/6tDm5r8/Screenshot-2021-03-24-21-25-05.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6tDm5r8)
(https://i.ibb.co/xmMNy78/Screenshot-2021-03-24-21-25-55.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xmMNy78)
(https://i.ibb.co/V3JHFkQ/Screenshot-2021-03-24-21-26-34.jpg) (https://ibb.co/V3JHFkQ) (https://i.ibb.co/n7cxVfY/Screenshot-2021-03-24-21-27-17.jpg) (https://ibb.co/n7cxVfY)
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WELP. Glad I never got any GX1000 stuff.
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Has Al released any kind of public statement regarding all this? I haven't been paying 100% attention. The rule is: "you have 24 hours before the public controls the narrative" isn't it?
There's enough evidence out there for never back anything he does again but I'd like to see a statement of some kind.
Surprised that post is still up on Cons Instagram with all the comments too.
I’m surprised Cons doesn’t have a special “scumbag PR team” set up yet to deal with situations just like this; Jason Jesse, KA, Al Davis..... They sure know how to choose em.
Al's lawyer:
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and to think when this thread first appeared I thought al davis was riding for that dumbass bumbag company or whatever. Jesus.
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I dont have the energy to go through 80 pages again
Can someone remind me where Dela fit in to the murdering of the gard at blackrock ?
What a toxic combo him and Davis.
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I dont have the energy to go through 80 pages again
Can someone remind me where Dela fit in to the murdering of the gard at blackrock ?
What a toxic combo him and Davis.
Was the main aggressor. Got physical with the guard before anyone else. Shoved the guard as hard as he could after the guard threw his board in the street. Then Dela shoved him again, knocking him down. That’s when Jessie threw a walkie talkie at the guard and he switched his attention from Dela to Viera.
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I dont have the energy to go through 80 pages again
Can someone remind me where Dela fit in to the murdering of the gard at blackrock ?
What a toxic combo him and Davis.
I see.
Fuck these cunts. I really liked gx and I love/d Quasi but this is absolute scumbag behavior from both these dudes.
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I dont have the energy to go through 80 pages again
Can someone remind me where Dela fit in to the murdering of the gard at blackrock ?
What a toxic combo him and Davis.
iirc footage shows him as being the first one to push the guard (not the push that hurt the guard but the push that made things escalate)
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Maybe my thinking is fucked up on this, but to me this is a "where there's smoke, there's fire" situation and I'm way more likely to bet on the odds of this being valid off of shear strength in numbers. I've had a friend who was lied on by some vindictive woman in the past (which I know she was lying bc my man never left my sight that evening and she was too wasted on Xanax to know so), but this whole Al Davis thing is not some isolated incident born out of spite. We have what, double digit amounts of women coming out of the wood work to bravely exclaim to the world that they were victimized by him? I've heard people in the industry mention shit like this about Al in the past over time as just chatty patty type shit, but never has there been such a forceful & outspoken cooperative movement to address his behavior head on.
What kills me is that Converse is doubling down by making a post quoting him saying “Black Joy makes me think of all the Black Women in my family. We wouldn’t be anywhere without women in this world. Respect and protect them at all costs.” - Al Davis. Idk, maybe this shit fucks me up bc it's another black man who has taken up a voice for us and has subsequently represented us wrong in a public light during such a tumultuous time. Like this dude is really talking about black joy and respecting/ protecting women with all this shit coming out now, all while he ignores the voices of the people he hurt? He's making us look bad, and now you have kids saying "communitychange___HE IS A NIGGER" sparking up that hatred towards us again as a whole. Not only do I want his sponsors to drop him, but I wanna see some real established representatives of black skateboarding come out and take their cosign from this dude. That's the only way I can see it quelling the deep seeded racist tendencies of people against us, we need to come together and show that we don't carry this man as one of us anymore.
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i understand a handful of the industry guys that commented on Converse's post are Al's friends (Zered, Manderson, Curtin, Montoya, etc.) but liking their comments while ignoring the much more evident conversation/accusations occurring in the comments is such a godawful look, incriminating even.
what does Quasi have to say?
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i understand a handful of the industry guys that commented on Converse's post are Al's friends (Zered, Manderson, Curtin, Montoya, etc.) but liking their comments while ignoring the much more evident conversation/accusations occurring in the comments is such a godawful look, incriminating even.
what does Quasi have to say?
Yeah man I'm all for a fair trial and I am skeptical of insta calling out without knowing all the facts but like ... As an another poster said
The sheer volume of people stepping forward here beggars belief. Like its pretty damming.
How could Quasi not comment.
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Really surprised that the post is still up. Pretty shitty that everyone in the industry seems to be ignoring this whole situation.
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i understand a handful of the industry guys that commented on Converse's post are Al's friends (Zered, Manderson, Curtin, Montoya, etc.) but liking their comments while ignoring the much more evident conversation/accusations occurring in the comments is such a godawful look, incriminating even.
what does Quasi have to say?
Yeah man I'm all for a fair trial and I am skeptical of insta calling out without knowing all the facts but like ... As an another poster said
The sheer volume of people stepping forward here beggars belief. Like its pretty damming.
How could Quasi not comment.
I have trouble looking at WKND the same way after the whole Johan situation. Good on Alexis for taking her talents elsewhere.
Looking at Quasi's latest post, I only saw one or two comments mentioning Al compared with the mass on CONS' post.
I get that the nature of their post merits more reaction, but I have trouble believing Quasi is completely aloof or blindsided by this. CONS is a corporation compared with Quasi, a smaller brand started by a group of friends. Again, given their closer friendship with Al, I have trouble believing this is the first they've ever heard of such allegations.
If addressing allegations is too much for Quasi's cool guy image, I have zero problems with never buying one of their boards again. I think its mostly up to the board brands to hold these abusers accountable and implement industry wide change, not the outsider corporations like Nike/CONS/Adidas/NB. (But not to be confused, I think these shoe brands should also take action.)
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i understand a handful of the industry guys that commented on Converse's post are Al's friends (Zered, Manderson, Curtin, Montoya, etc.) but liking their comments while ignoring the much more evident conversation/accusations occurring in the comments is such a godawful look, incriminating even.
what does Quasi have to say?
I’d guess they haven’t gone back to that post or read the comments.
I asked quasi what they think of the comments on the al Davis post, but obviously they didn’t address it. It’s like the Biebel thing: I get he’s your friend, but he doesn’t/can’t skate anymore, so it shouldn’t be too painful to remove them from the team
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i understand a handful of the industry guys that commented on Converse's post are Al's friends (Zered, Manderson, Curtin, Montoya, etc.) but liking their comments while ignoring the much more evident conversation/accusations occurring in the comments is such a godawful look, incriminating even.
what does Quasi have to say?
I’d guess they haven’t gone back to that post or read the comments.
I asked quasi what they think of the comments on the al Davis post, but obviously they didn’t address it. It’s like the Biebel thing: I get he’s your friend, but he doesn’t/can’t skate anymore, so it shouldn’t be too painful to remove them from the team
Quasi has been kinda quiet in general, except for on their Quasi snowboard page. Apparently theres a huge snowboard drop coming according to their story post from a few days back
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i understand a handful of the industry guys that commented on Converse's post are Al's friends (Zered, Manderson, Curtin, Montoya, etc.) but liking their comments while ignoring the much more evident conversation/accusations occurring in the comments is such a godawful look, incriminating even.
what does Quasi have to say?
I’d guess they haven’t gone back to that post or read the comments.
I asked quasi what they think of the comments on the al Davis post, but obviously they didn’t address it. It’s like the Biebel thing: I get he’s your friend, but he doesn’t/can’t skate anymore, so it shouldn’t be too painful to remove them from the team
Quasi has been kinda quiet in general, except for on their Quasi snowboard page. Apparently theres a huge snowboard drop coming according to their story post from a few days back
They do snowboards too ? Lame
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i understand a handful of the industry guys that commented on Converse's post are Al's friends (Zered, Manderson, Curtin, Montoya, etc.) but liking their comments while ignoring the much more evident conversation/accusations occurring in the comments is such a godawful look, incriminating even.
what does Quasi have to say?
Yeah man I'm all for a fair trial and I am skeptical of insta calling out without knowing all the facts but like ... As an another poster said
The sheer volume of people stepping forward here beggars belief. Like its pretty damming.
How could Quasi not comment.
I have trouble looking at WKND the same way after the whole Johan situation. Good on Alexis for taking her talents elsewhere.
Looking at Quasi's latest post, I only saw one or two comments mentioning Al compared with the mass on CONS' post.
I get that the nature of their post merits more reaction, but I have trouble believing Quasi is completely aloof or blindsided by this. CONS is a corporation compared with Quasi, a smaller brand started by a group of friends. Again, given their closer friendship with Al, I have trouble believing this is the first they've ever heard of such allegations.
If addressing allegations is too much for Quasi's cool guy image, I have zero problems with never buying one of their boards again. I think its mostly up to the board brands to hold these abusers accountable and implement industry wide change, not the outsider corporations like Nike/CONS/Adidas/NB. (But not to be confused, I think these shoe brands should also take action.)
I agree, it seems like it is Quasi's responsibility.
Maybe, and just maybe, quasi isn't ready to address this yet and they're just taking their time in choosing the right words and way to address it. It's not an easy thing to do , and i understand wanting to be delicate here. Maybe, I guess I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.
Or, they just won't.
Don't get it twisted, I'm absolutely not defending al or saying he shouldn't be held accountable. I just think there's a right and a wrong way to do it. Merely canceling him is not an effective way to go about it.
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Don't they have a video coming out real soon? I assume they'd be busy with that.
The snowboard stuff is clearly a joke.
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There's no way Quasi don't know about this. Their DM's must be blowing up rn with people wanting a response. I'm really hoping they're just taking their time to deal with this in the best way they can. Possibly seeking advice from lawyers, PR experts etc.
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i understand a handful of the industry guys that commented on Converse's post are Al's friends (Zered, Manderson, Curtin, Montoya, etc.) but liking their comments while ignoring the much more evident conversation/accusations occurring in the comments is such a godawful look, incriminating even.
what does Quasi have to say?
I’d guess they haven’t gone back to that post or read the comments.
I asked quasi what they think of the comments on the al Davis post, but obviously they didn’t address it. It’s like the Biebel thing: I get he’s your friend, but he doesn’t/can’t skate anymore, so it shouldn’t be too painful to remove them from the team
Quasi has been kinda quiet in general, except for on their Quasi snowboard page. Apparently theres a huge snowboard drop coming according to their story post from a few days back
They do snowboards too ? Lame
definitely a joke. mostly them eating shit riding their decks like snowskates
they did still say they had something dropping soon though
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who is al davis
yo I been wondering this the whole time
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Don't they have a video coming out real soon? I assume they'd be busy with that.
The snowboard stuff is clearly a joke.
I wonder if they go back and remove him from the video now...
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removing 0 clips shouldn't take long
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Z I N G
free max b
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I’m still a bit shocked he’s Reynolds’ age
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I always figured he must be a really cool likeable dude to have those sponsors cuz his skating is so mediocre and boring. What a piece of shit.
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I always figured he must be a really cool likeable dude to have those sponsors cuz his skating is so mediocre and boring.
The technical term for that is terpeninging
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I’m still a bit shocked he’s Reynolds’ age
He's not. I saw a post from a family member on his account before going private "Happy 37th Al!" maybe like a month or two ago.
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I’m still a bit shocked he’s Reynolds’ age
He's not. I saw a post from a family member on his account before going private "Happy 37th Al!" maybe like a month or two ago.
Ah people were throwing around that he’s in his 40s a bunch. Still, assumed he was 31ish not older than me
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Still weird to see Pals_Questions supportive comment on there. Also “funny” to see @Spacetravelisboring defending al
What post are you referring to ? Can you link me
https://www.instagram.com/p/CMciJcIBFMq/?igshid=ooafekgwosqv
(https://i.ibb.co/KGCFmPm/IMG-20210324-225750.jpg) (https://ibb.co/KGCFmPm)
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(https://i.ibb.co/xmMNy78/Screenshot-2021-03-24-21-25-55.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xmMNy78)
(https://i.ibb.co/V3JHFkQ/Screenshot-2021-03-24-21-26-34.jpg) (https://ibb.co/V3JHFkQ) (https://i.ibb.co/n7cxVfY/Screenshot-2021-03-24-21-27-17.jpg) (https://ibb.co/n7cxVfY)
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Holy shit.
Yea, fuck this dude forever.
Heart goes out to the victims.
Damn.
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I always figured he must be a really cool likeable dude to have those sponsors cuz his skating is so mediocre and boring.
The technical term for that is terpeninging
He’s coming for soty this year. Just you wait
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Damn the one comment is pretty detailed and calls out Yonnie as well ...
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Damn the one comment is pretty detailed and calls out Yonnie as well ...
The Elliot Burner one ? Fucking rotten shit.
These guys make Johan look tame.
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are these "the jocks of SF" that the one girl was talking aboutt?
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yo I been wondering this the whole time
I think he owned or coached the Oakland Raiders, a low level professional football team known for their super loyal fans that cosplay as Vikings or some shit at games
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Damn the one comment is pretty detailed and calls out Yonnie as well ...
The Elliot Burner one ? Fucking rotten shit.
These guys make Johan look tame.
Yes we need to start bringing up Yonnie’s name a lot more
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are these "the jocks of SF" that the one girl was talking aboutt?
Apparently so. At this point, seems like Eddie Cernicky, Nile Gibbs, and dude with the beard whose name I don't remember are the last upstanding GX dudes.
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Damn the one comment is pretty detailed and calls out Yonnie as well ...
The Elliot Burner one ? Fucking rotten shit.
These guys make Johan look tame.
Yes we need to start bringing up Yonnie’s name a lot more
Remember when he turned pro for Chocolate and filmed a chick blowing him on his Instagram story ... was that cool?
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Damn the one comment is pretty detailed and calls out Yonnie as well ...
The Elliot Burner one ? Fucking rotten shit.
These guys make Johan look tame.
Yes we need to start bringing up Yonnie’s name a lot more
Remember when he turned pro for Chocolate and filmed a chick blowing him on his Instagram story ... was that cool?
Ha.... What ?
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Damn the one comment is pretty detailed and calls out Yonnie as well ...
The Elliot Burner one ? Fucking rotten shit.
These guys make Johan look tame.
Yes we need to start bringing up Yonnie’s name a lot more
Remember when he turned pro for Chocolate and filmed a chick blowing him on his Instagram story ... was that cool?
No it is not bc apparently he doesn’t disclose his chlymidia and herpes infections to his sexual partners...
Shout out to James Kelch for at least putting a negative comment on there. It’s just “fake ass” but at least it’s something
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Am I the only one who's really, really hoping that Jake Johnson isn't mixed up in any of this shit? He's buddies with Al and the GX dudes. My appreciation for skateboarding culture (the act of me skateboarding is somewhat separate) isn't terribly diminished if I ignore Al Davis or Jason Jesse or GX1000 (I prefer the Ben Gore-Chris Athans approach to SF), but if Jake turns out to be a scumbag too, I'm going to be pretty disappointed.
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Am I the only one who's really, really hoping that Jake Johnson isn't mixed up in any of this shit? He's buddies with Al and the GX dudes. My appreciation for skateboarding culture (the act of me skateboarding is somewhat separate) isn't terribly diminished if I ignore Al Davis or Jason Jesse or GX1000 (I prefer the Ben Gore-Chris Athans approach to SF), but if Jake turns out to be a scumbag too, I'm going to be pretty disappointed.
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Am I the only one who's really, really hoping that Jake Johnson isn't mixed up in any of this shit? He's buddies with Al and the GX dudes. My appreciation for skateboarding culture (the act of me skateboarding is somewhat separate) isn't terribly diminished if I ignore Al Davis or Jason Jesse or GX1000 (I prefer the Ben Gore-Chris Athans approach to SF), but if Jake turns out to be a scumbag too, I'm going to be pretty disappointed.
Wha yah seh?! Chris Athans ah ryde fi GX now ya laggahead
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Damn the one comment is pretty detailed and calls out Yonnie as well ...
The Elliot Burner one ? Fucking rotten shit.
These guys make Johan look tame.
Yes we need to start bringing up Yonnie’s name a lot more
Remember when he turned pro for Chocolate and filmed a chick blowing him on his Instagram story ... was that cool?
No it is not bc apparently he doesn’t disclose his chlymidia and herpes infections to his sexual partners...
Shout out to James Kelch for at least putting a negative comment on there. It’s just “fake ass” but at least it’s something
Nothing but respect for the mayor.
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Am I the only one who's really, really hoping that Jake Johnson isn't mixed up in any of this shit? He's buddies with Al and the GX dudes. My appreciation for skateboarding culture (the act of me skateboarding is somewhat separate) isn't terribly diminished if I ignore Al Davis or Jason Jesse or GX1000 (I prefer the Ben Gore-Chris Athans approach to SF), but if Jake turns out to be a scumbag too, I'm going to be pretty disappointed.
Wha yah seh?! Chris Athans ah ryde fi GX now ya laggahead
Burned by the Sizzla! I didn't know that was a sure thing. And his style of SF hill skating is a little more old-school Tommy Guerrero-style driveway cruising lines than a lot of the GX- trick into an insane straight hill bomb, at least that's how I and I think of it.
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Anyone see Yonnie get called out on some Johan shit?
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Anyone see Yonnie get called out on some Johan shit?
No can you link
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Looks like Atiba Applebum mentioned it above, but saw this on insta earlier
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Someone better send a fax to the Craig PR department ASAP.
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Am I the only one who's really, really hoping that Jake Johnson isn't mixed up in any of this shit? He's buddies with Al and the GX dudes. My appreciation for skateboarding culture (the act of me skateboarding is somewhat separate) isn't terribly diminished if I ignore Al Davis or Jason Jesse or GX1000 (I prefer the Ben Gore-Chris Athans approach to SF), but if Jake turns out to be a scumbag too, I'm going to be pretty disappointed.
Wha yah seh?! Chris Athans ah ryde fi GX now ya laggahead
Totally
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are these "the jocks of SF" that the one girl was talking aboutt?
Except for the fact that they all still openly associate and hang out with Jamal knowing what he’s done which makes them apologists.
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Am I the only one who's really, really hoping that Jake Johnson isn't mixed up in any of this shit? He's buddies with Al and the GX dudes. My appreciation for skateboarding culture (the act of me skateboarding is somewhat separate) isn't terribly diminished if I ignore Al Davis or Jason Jesse or GX1000 (I prefer the Ben Gore-Chris Athans approach to SF), but if Jake turns out to be a scumbag too, I'm going to be pretty disappointed.
#prayforJJsSoul
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As if on cue
http://www.instagram.com/p/CNCAlfNFD7j/?igshid=1u3wb9s4r00f3 (http://www.instagram.com/p/CNCAlfNFD7j/?igshid=1u3wb9s4r00f3)
Not sure if it means anything, but chocolates IG stories had yonnie in one of them during the miniramp session, but that clip seems to have been removed
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Yeah, wonder if the Al D edition next on deck.
Sucks to read about Yonnie. Felt like something was coming seeing Hillaryshanks stories and the stories shots I posted. Kinda forgot about luredbyproskateboarders.
Guess Yonnie gonna be working that warehouse life.
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Can there just be like a “Dark Side of The Ring” style documentary series already on the downfall of Crailtap and all the dark times that have plagued them recently? I really do think it’d make for a good series.
The whole MJ getting kicked off Chocolate incident, CK going to prison, Mike Mo’s accident, the rise and fall of Biebel, KA abuse allegations, and now Yonnie Cruz. That’s already six episodes just right there.
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dudes get canceled for herpes now?
When they don't disclose such information with their sexual partners and spread herpes, yeah they do.
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I think these guys are pieces of shit but it's not like your favorite skaters weren't all scumbags before we had social media. Hell even Karl Watson has admitted too being a shithead during the EMB days.
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In order to cancel we need to understand the art of the cancel.
So having seen the herpes thing. Carrol gave Yonnie the Herps, and Yonnie passed it on to multiple woman..but who gave Carrol the Herps? We need to find the origin of the Herps in order to go full cancel.
I've really gone in deep and we need to cancel Jesus and all deities as they made herpes and allowed it to be passed. Once we have fully canceled them we can go down the list of others to cancel, its the only rational thing to do..
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Don’t worry guys, I got this.
I’ll cancel Cons and Al David for you all this week.
So much work to do!
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https://instagram.com/tweetsbyzach
Focus.
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Can there just be like a “Dark Side of The Ring” style documentary series already on the downfall of Crailtap and all the dark times that have plagued them recently? I really do think it’d make for a good series.
The whole MJ getting kicked off Chocolate incident, CK going to prison, Mike Mo’s accident, the rise and fall of Biebel, KA abuse allegations, and now Yonnie Cruz. That’s already six episodes just right there.
Sam Smyth wearing blackface in the 2000s
Cory Kennedy killing friends via drunk driving
Biebel beating up the homeless and mentally ill then gloating about it
KA sexually assaulting and / or beating women
Yonnie Cruz spreading herpes with his blister covered boner
Not to mention the bad business they did which caused a dozen+ original riders to quit because having no board sponsor was a better alternative
I just don't get why (insert person here) isn't running over to craig for his next board sponsor
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In order to cancel we need to understand the art of the cancel.
So having seen the herpes thing. Carrol gave Yonnie the Herps, and Yonnie passed it on to multiple woman..but who gave Carrol the Herps? We need to find the origin of the Herps in order to go full cancel.
I've really gone in deep and we need to cancel Jesus and all deities as they made herpes and allowed it to be passed. Once we have fully canceled them we can go down the list of others to cancel, its the only rational thing to do..
Herp Zero
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As if on cue
http://www.instagram.com/p/CNCAlfNFD7j/?igshid=1u3wb9s4r00f3 (http://www.instagram.com/p/CNCAlfNFD7j/?igshid=1u3wb9s4r00f3)
Boy, crail really knows how to pick em... not that wknd handled it gracefully, but I'd bet crail is just gonna sweep it under the rug instead of addressing it all.
Not sure if it means anything, but chocolates IG stories had yonnie in one of them during the miniramp session, but that clip seems to have been removed
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I think these guys are pieces of shit but it's not like your favorite skaters weren't all scumbags before we had social media. Hell even Karl Watson has admitted too being a shithead during the EMB days.
imagine a world where Karl Watson is a scumbag.
I remember the other I talked to a fellow and we mentioned something like "Karl is the least hate-able person on earth, period", or something like that.
Since this turned into a herpes thread, should we make a STD thread or nah? prbly nah? sorry mates work is sucking over here.
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yeah pro skaters have been on stds for a while. didn't mike carroll tell a story about using someone's acne medication, tetracycline, to treat his std back in the day?
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About sir Alexander Davis and fellow mate Yonnie Cruz n' many others, that's obviously fucking thrash. Really looked up to these guys when I was younger, but undeniably disgusted by their actions.
Those allegations should be taken to court or whatever it legally belongs.
I think sponsor should openly (or not) take actions on their riders, make a publicly declaration about the subject, kick em out and done.
ps: someone said something about a WKND incident, can anybody enlighten me about?
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About sir Alexander Davis and fellow mate Yonnie Cruz n' many others, that's obviously fucking thrash. Really looked up to these guys when I was younger, but undeniably disgusted by their actions.
Those allegations should be taken to court or whatever it legally belongs.
I think sponsor should openly (or not) take actions on their riders, make a publicly declaration about the subject, kick em out and done.
ps: someone said something about a WKND incident, can anybody enlighten me about?
Johan got the boot for spreading stds without telling a girl he hooked up with. But WKND was sus because they joked about Johan spreading stds during his "Roast."
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dudes get canceled for herpes now?
If he’s knowingly spreading it and telling women to stfu about it, then that’s pretty foul (and still abuse). Legally and PR wise, it’s a weird space because he could just say “I didn’t know I had a dirty dick because I showed no symptoms and this chick is just super pissed”. Also mad people have herpes, like 1 in 5 Americans. It spreads pretty easily and doesn’t show as often as people think.
The insta comments alluded to something a little more violent and meticulous. Especially with the constant references to the age gaps in the women he prefers.
Basically yes, you can get canceled over herpes. But it’s more about the withholding of information (which I’m sure tons of Americans do sadly).
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I think these guys are pieces of shit but it's not like your favorite skaters weren't all scumbags before we had social media. Hell even Karl Watson has admitted too being a shithead during the EMB days.
imagine a world where Karl Watson is a scumbag.
I remember the other I talked to a fellow and we mentioned something like "Karl is the least hate-able person on earth, period", or something like that.
People talk about Karl being a lil shithead back in the day but all the stories I hear about him being a shithead involve him spitballing people, him throwing big gulps or water balloons at people, shit like that. More so just childish prankster shit, not, you know, sexual assault or Knowingly spreading STDs to people.
Kelch talks about him being a trouble maker a lil bit here in his CBI interview
https://chromeballincident.blogspot.com/2011/08/chrome-ball-interview-29-james-kelch.html?m=1
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About sir Alexander Davis and fellow mate Yonnie Cruz n' many others, that's obviously fucking thrash. Really looked up to these guys when I was younger, but undeniably disgusted by their actions.
Those allegations should be taken to court or whatever it legally belongs.
I think sponsor should openly (or not) take actions on their riders, make a publicly declaration about the subject, kick em out and done.
ps: someone said something about a WKND incident, can anybody enlighten me about?
Johan got the boot for spreading stds without telling a girl he hooked up with. But WKND was sus because they joked about Johan spreading stds during his "Roast."
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I think these guys are pieces of shit but it's not like your favorite skaters weren't all scumbags before we had social media. Hell even Karl Watson has admitted too being a shithead during the EMB days.
imagine a world where Karl Watson is a scumbag.
I remember the other I talked to a fellow and we mentioned something like "Karl is the least hate-able person on earth, period", or something like that.
Kelch talks about him being a trouble maker a lil bit here in his CBI interview
https://chromeballincident.blogspot.com/2011/08/chrome-ball-interview-29-james-kelch.html?m=1
Thank you, comrads
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Idk man, take that shit to the courts. It doesn’t cost anything to file a police report. It’s Al Davis, a literal nobody outside of the very small skateboard world.
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Can there just be like a “Dark Side of The Ring” style documentary series already on the downfall of Crailtap and all the dark times that have plagued them recently? I really do think it’d make for a good series.
The whole MJ getting kicked off Chocolate incident, CK going to prison, Mike Mo’s accident, the rise and fall of Biebel, KA abuse allegations, and now Yonnie Cruz. That’s already six episodes just right there.
Sam Smyth wearing blackface in the 2000s
Cory Kennedy killing friends via drunk driving
Biebel beating up the homeless and mentally ill then gloating about it
KA sexually assaulting and / or beating women
Yonnie Cruz spreading herpes with his blister covered boner
Not to mention the bad business they did which caused a dozen+ original riders to quit because having no board sponsor was a better alternative
I just don't get why (insert person here) isn't running over to craig for his next board sponsor
Damn I guess Chris Roberts really is kind of a saint compared to his brethren
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Idk man, take that shit to the courts. It doesn’t cost anything to file a police report. It’s Al Davis, a literal nobody outside of the very small skateboard world.
There's statistics that show most rape accusations do not end up being prosecuted which then puts a target on the victims back for the abuser. That's why people are getting called out and publicly shamed, because law enforcement can't convict abusers nor protect victims.
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Idk man, take that shit to the courts. It doesn’t cost anything to file a police report. It’s Al Davis, a literal nobody outside of the very small skateboard world.
That was my initial thought early in the thread. The argument I’ve been hit with here is that making such a suggestion is a form of victim blaming.
While I still have a hard time believing that it’s difficult to use the justice system against a non-famous black guy (especially with multiple accusers), I’m trying to not be so stubborn that I miss the point.
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I think it’d be hard to prove it in court unless Yonnie had medical records indicating he had stds at a date before its established he had relations with the infected. Otherwise it’s he said/she said which rarely fares well for the “she”
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Looks like Megan Baltimore is blocking people who tag her in that Yonnie post
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Looks like Megan Baltimore is blocking people who tag her in that Yonnie post
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Looks like Megan Baltimore is blocking people who tag her in that Yonnie post
Maybe she gave Rickk the herp and never told him. She schooled Yonnie to use the "Ohhh wahh, no way...You know what? I'm achy and my crotch burning too."
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I thought this was gonna be an Al Davis x Baby Scumbag post lol. Very dissapointed to hear this and hope the women get the support and closure they deserve.
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Al Davis been irrelevant for awhile now so cons and quasi can just let him fizzle out of skateboarding without any real statement.
Idk how Crail can ignore the Yonnie allegations though, especially when Johan was punished for the same thing. Actually makes me sick to think the entire chocolate team could be laughing about it in Miami rn while Yonnie picks up another victim from lot 11.
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I’m not sure any of these companies do any real due diligence on these guys. I work at a hospital where we do extensive background checks and we still miss stuff. Some people just haven’t been caught yet.
It’s what they knew about, when they act on that information, and what they do moving forward.
It’s very possible that Crail is just hearing about this now. You just hope they look into it with good faith and make the appropriate action.
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I doubt crail will sweep this under the rug, idk who runs the whole operation but Crail is the most family friendly brand in skating, they won't let their image be brought down by one guy
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Al Davis been irrelevant for awhile now so cons and quasi can just let him fizzle out of skateboarding without any real statement.
Idk how Crail can ignore the Yonnie allegations though, especially when Johan was punished for the same thing. Actually makes me sick to think the entire chocolate team could be laughing about it in Miami rn while Yonnie picks up another victim from lot 11.
there is no excuse for both Cons and Quasi to stay silent in a situation like this. Regardless of Al's relevancy in skateboarding today, his actions are atrocious and must be dealt with publicly. Both of those teams have had no problem in the past using his image and skating to make money and it feels like a punch in the gut when they can't even produce a written statement acknowledging what's being said about Al. This also applies to crail as well...smh
TBH I did not like how WKND handled the Johan situation by playing dumb, but at least they took the time to address the issue and take action.
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I doubt crail will sweep this under the rug, idk who runs the whole operation but Crail is the most family friendly brand in skating, they won't let their image be brought down by one guy
Well, this is guy number two on chocolate.
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Crail blocked every person who made a comment about Bieble cheering on that homeless guy getting dummied. Brilliant PR strategists over there.
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Also, why are people tagging Converse when trying to out Yonnie on the IG post? He’s posted a Lakai pic 4 days ago? Are people confusing him with Milton???
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did any pro skaters in the James Kelch era not do statutory rape
It's more than likely that they did.
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Can there just be like a “Dark Side of The Ring” style documentary series already on the downfall of Crailtap and all the dark times that have plagued them recently? I really do think it’d make for a good series.
The whole MJ getting kicked off Chocolate incident, CK going to prison, Mike Mo’s accident, the rise and fall of Biebel, KA abuse allegations, and now Yonnie Cruz. That’s already six episodes just right there.
Sam Smyth wearing blackface in the 2000s
Cory Kennedy killing friends via drunk driving
Biebel beating up the homeless and mentally ill then gloating about it
KA sexually assaulting and / or beating women
Yonnie Cruz spreading herpes with his blister covered boner
Not to mention the bad business they did which caused a dozen+ original riders to quit because having no board sponsor was a better alternative
I just don't get why (insert person here) isn't running over to craig for his next board sponsor
Damn I guess Chris Roberts really is kind of a saint compared to his brethren
It'd be amazing if the younger girl & chocolate roster just fucked off and did their own thing. I'm sure Rickk and Mike would just have to salute it too, I think they're far too twisted up in this sticky mud to actually progress as a business anymore and they know it. Maybe they're scared to make a stand on this kind of stuff because they're afraid of themselves being called out on a greater scale, pot calling the kettle black type shit? Obviously, that's pure speculation but everyone's heard 90s/00s pro skater stories, god knows what random tapes a tour filmer could pull out one day huh.
Otherwise, it's really not that hard to condemn this kind of behavior as a business and it doesn't take a genius to know the outcome only gets worse the more silent you are, especially if the people are contractors and not even employees.
And here was me excited for the chocolate video, now I feel like it's going to really piss me off seeing the dusty spunk boyz all up in it. That along with Stevie's homophobic spat last year will sure make it a tough watch.
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Can there just be like a “Dark Side of The Ring” style documentary series already on the downfall of Crailtap and all the dark times that have plagued them recently? I really do think it’d make for a good series.
The whole MJ getting kicked off Chocolate incident, CK going to prison, Mike Mo’s accident, the rise and fall of Biebel, KA abuse allegations, and now Yonnie Cruz. That’s already six episodes just right there.
You missed one of the more tragic ones, although not recent, Keenen Milton likely ODing and drowning at a Independence Day Party, although that got covered in an Epicly Later'd. Although, what actually happened there is still shrouded by multiple rumors/claims.
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I bet Al Dabis has bad breath, I will remember to skip his part every time
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imagine a world where Karl Watson is a scumbag.
I remember the other I talked to a fellow and we mentioned something like "Karl is the least hate-able person on earth, period", or something like that.
well Kenny Anderson was CONS-idered to be the perfect man
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did any pro skaters in the James Kelch era not do statutory rape
It's more than likely that they did.
Aren't there stories from girls giving blowjobs to the whole EMB crew in one afternoon?
I read/heard those stories and always thought it was disgusting.
I definitely heard ALF speak about this and it's always in the back of my mind since then ... never looked at him the same.
Are there really girls out there that are "hoeing" so hard they'd voluntarily do that? Straight up disrespectful towards her, voluntarily or not ...
A dude with the right mindset would say: "Get up, and go home, this ain't right'
As if a girl would be like: "Well my chores are done, my shedule is free this afternoon ... let's go suck some dicks in a van!" ...
Hard to imagine.
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if I remember correctly back when there were 6-7 skate magazines to read while taking a shit, every emb guy had a very similar sketchy story in their interviews.
But I believe Carroll went the most in depth, regarding a local girl at EMB that would get trizzed, let the younger ones hit/ give blowjobs (remember that most of these dudes were between 11-17 years old when emb was what it was.).
I don’t remember but I think “Thunder [something, maybe Betty]” was her nickname and Carroll’s story involved her when he was 14/15 but I don’t remember the girls age. The reason Craig’s so quiet is bc they were literally all on some sketchy shit, and they know someone out there has plenty of dirt on em.
And just to clarify: if any of this is yonnie/ Alan Davis shit is remotely true which I don’t doubt, hopefully they get Daryl Angel’d the fuck out of the industry. But the odds of that happening are pretty slim we all know how this goes. Sucks bc all victims of abuse deserve closure at the very least.
Sidenote anyone listen to zack wallins bunt episode? Nice to hear another person in skating go on record and say fuck Daryl angel. I’ve heard filmers/ random
Homies speak up but no pro skateboarders. That dude really fuckin sucks huh
Respect all women. it’s a fairly simple concept but these skateboarding manchildren that can’t grasp that gotta go forever.
That’s my rant for the day.
Free max b
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if I remember correctly back when there were 6-7 skate magazines to read while taking a shit, every emb guy had a very similar sketchy story in their interviews.
But I believe Carroll went the most in depth, regarding a local girl at EMB that would get trizzed, let the younger ones hit/ give blowjobs (remember that most of these dudes were between 11-17 years old when emb was what it was.).
I don’t remember but I think “Thunder [something, maybe Betty]” was her nickname and Carroll’s story involved her when he was 14/15 but I don’t remember the girls age. The reason Craig’s so quiet is bc they were literally all on some sketchy shit, and they know someone out there has plenty of dirt on em.
And just to clarify: if any of this is yonnie/ Alan Davis shit is remotely true which I don’t doubt, hopefully they get Daryl Angel’d the fuck out of the industry. But the odds of that happening are pretty slim we all know how this goes. Sucks bc all victims of abuse deserve closure at the very least.
Sidenote anyone listen to zack wallins bunt episode? Nice to hear another person in skating go on record and say fuck Daryl angel. I’ve heard filmers/ random
Homies speak up but no pro skateboarders. That dude really fuckin sucks huh
Respect all women. it’s a fairly simple concept but these skateboarding manchildren that can’t grasp that gotta go forever.
That’s my rant for the day.
Free max b
Yup, definitely.
I have a hard time 'liking' some of those EMB dudes when I read all of that ...
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if I remember correctly back when there were 6-7 skate magazines to read while taking a shit, every emb guy had a very similar sketchy story in their interviews.
But I believe Carroll went the most in depth, regarding a local girl at EMB that would get trizzed, let the younger ones hit/ give blowjobs (remember that most of these dudes were between 11-17 years old when emb was what it was.).
I don’t remember but I think “Thunder [something, maybe Betty]” was her nickname and Carroll’s story involved her when he was 14/15 but I don’t remember the girls age. The reason Craig’s so quiet is bc they were literally all on some sketchy shit, and they know someone out there has plenty of dirt on em.
And just to clarify: if any of this is yonnie/ Alan Davis shit is remotely true which I don’t doubt, hopefully they get Daryl Angel’d the fuck out of the industry. But the odds of that happening are pretty slim we all know how this goes. Sucks bc all victims of abuse deserve closure at the very least.
Sidenote anyone listen to zack wallins bunt episode? Nice to hear another person in skating go on record and say fuck Daryl angel. I’ve heard filmers/ random
Homies speak up but no pro skateboarders. That dude really fuckin sucks huh
Respect all women. it’s a fairly simple concept but these skateboarding manchildren that can’t grasp that gotta go forever.
That’s my rant for the day.
Free max b
Hurricane Helen IIRC.
Also being in the Southbank scene (used to call the payphone at EMB collect from the payphone at southbank) in the mid to late 90s there were girls who just gravitated towards skateboarders. I wouldn't say that got passed around but they did get around so to speak. I imagine like any sport some girls get around with a bunch of dudes involved in that same sport.
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So is Quasi going to say anything or nah?
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"R*pe" haha. Sorry i can't take someone seriously who talks like this. It's too hip for something as serious as rape . makes it look insincere .
I start skating again after 16 years and there are still dorks like you around. How disappointing.
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Can there just be like a “Dark Side of The Ring” style documentary series already on the downfall of Crailtap and all the dark times that have plagued them recently? I really do think it’d make for a good series.
The whole MJ getting kicked off Chocolate incident, CK going to prison, Mike Mo’s accident, the rise and fall of Biebel, KA abuse allegations, and now Yonnie Cruz. That’s already six episodes just right there.
Dark Side of the Bearing
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"R*pe" haha. Sorry i can't take someone seriously who talks like this. It's too hip for something as serious as rape . makes it look insincere .
I start skating again after 16 years and there are still dorks like you around. How disappointing.
Shut up you old sissy
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"R*pe" haha. Sorry i can't take someone seriously who talks like this. It's too hip for something as serious as rape . makes it look insincere .
I start skating again after 16 years and there are still dorks like you around. How disappointing.
Shut up you old sissy
Nah man, I think you need to sit this one out and learn something you fucking bafoon
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"R*pe" haha. Sorry i can't take someone seriously who talks like this. It's too hip for something as serious as rape . makes it look insincere .
I start skating again after 16 years and there are still dorks like you around. How disappointing.
Shut up you old sissy
Nah man, I think you need to sit this one out and learn something you fucking bafoon
You shut the fuck up too bitch
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"R*pe" haha. Sorry i can't take someone seriously who talks like this. It's too hip for something as serious as rape . makes it look insincere .
I start skating again after 16 years and there are still dorks like you around. How disappointing.
Shut up you old sissy
Nah man, I think you need to sit this one out and learn something you fucking bafoon
You shut the fuck up too bitch
Feel bad for you bud.
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"R*pe" haha. Sorry i can't take someone seriously who talks like this. It's too hip for something as serious as rape . makes it look insincere .
I start skating again after 16 years and there are still dorks like you around. How disappointing.
Shut up you old sissy
Nah man, I think you need to sit this one out and learn something you fucking bafoon
You shut the fuck up too bitch
Are you extra defensive because you pull the same type of stuff as Al or because you feel dumb?
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So is Quasi going to say anything or nah?
Highly doubt it. Quasi barely posts on any platform so no way they´d acknowledge this. They probably don´t feel like its their place.
Other riders on the other hand are awful quiet about it.
Maybe they don´t lurk slap or read comments
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And their team...KA, Jason, and now Al? Damn.
It's probably been scrubbed now but I know there was a photo of the three of them together at 1010s house that would play a lot different today then it did 3 years ago. It was taken when the Cons team was rallying around 1010 after his racist behavior had been exposed.
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And their team...KA, Jason, and now Al? Damn.
Oh yeah, the team visit to 1010's ranch or whatever.
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"R*pe" haha. Sorry i can't take someone seriously who talks like this. It's too hip for something as serious as rape . makes it look insincere .
I start skating again after 16 years and there are still dorks like you around. How disappointing.
Shut up you old sissy
Nah man, I think you need to sit this one out and learn something you fucking bafoon
You shut the fuck up too bitch
Are you extra defensive because you pull the same type of stuff as Al or because you feel dumb?
Because i feel you're dumb. Next question .
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Looks like Megan Baltimore is blocking people who tag her in that Yonnie post
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"R*pe" haha. Sorry i can't take someone seriously who talks like this. It's too hip for something as serious as rape . makes it look insincere .
I start skating again after 16 years and there are still dorks like you around. How disappointing.
Shut up you old sissy
Nah man, I think you need to sit this one out and learn something you fucking bafoon
You shut the fuck up too bitch
Are you extra defensive because you pull the same type of stuff as Al or because you feel dumb?
Because i feel you're dumb. Next question .
Chill out, your inner-elliot rodger is showing
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Hit up Quasi on insta like a man. I encourage others to do so too. Perhaps if they see it affecting their bottom line they'll act, and if they do, Cons might follow suit. If he loses his platform and this information becomes more widespread, perhaps he won't be able to continue to do this to women. (https://i.ibb.co/2WWxxsv/Screenshot-20210402-094735.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0mmTTFC)
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I'm drawing a blank right now on the name but there was that Plan B wheel that was I think a weird dig at one of the girls that used to hang out with EMB
6:50 Smelly caca chlamydia balls (if I'm hearing that right... trying not to play the video too loud in my office)
He talks about it right before the 6:50 part though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_m5BiivSAg
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"R*pe" haha. Sorry i can't take someone seriously who talks like this. It's too hip for something as serious as rape . makes it look insincere .
I start skating again after 16 years and there are still dorks like you around. How disappointing.
Shut up you old sissy
Nah man, I think you need to sit this one out and learn something you fucking bafoon
You shut the fuck up too bitch
Are you extra defensive because you pull the same type of stuff as Al or because you feel dumb?
Because i feel you're dumb. Next question .
Chill out, your inner-elliot rodger is showing
No idea who that is but go on geek.
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I'm drawing a blank right now on the name but there was that Plan B wheel that was I think a weird dig at one of the girls that used to hang out with EMB
6:50 Smelly caca chlamydia balls (if I'm hearing that right... trying not to play the video too loud in my office)
He talks about it right before the 6:50 part though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_m5BiivSAg
You got it exactly. I was thinking titty caca something but that's all I could come up with.
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"R*pe" haha. Sorry i can't take someone seriously who talks like this. It's too hip for something as serious as rape . makes it look insincere .
I start skating again after 16 years and there are still dorks like you around. How disappointing.
Shut up you old sissy
Nah man, I think you need to sit this one out and learn something you fucking bafoon
You shut the fuck up too bitch
Are you extra defensive because you pull the same type of stuff as Al or because you feel dumb?
Because i feel you're dumb. Next question .
Chill out, your inner-elliot rodger is showing
No idea who that is but go on geek.
How many times will the words sissy, bitch, and geek be used in your manifesto?
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Hit up Quasi on insta like a man. I encourage others to do so too. Perhaps if they see it affecting their bottom line they'll act, and if they do, Cons might follow suit. If he loses his platform and this information becomes more widespread, perhaps he won't be able to continue to do this to women. (https://i.ibb.co/2WWxxsv/Screenshot-20210402-094735.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0mmTTFC)
Thanks for doing this, honestly I was about to do something like this as well. I'm a big Gilbert fan and Quasi fan in general, I hope Quasi addresses something.
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When was the last time he was even featured in a post from Quasi on Instagram?
I just had a quick look and the last post that was soley in reference to him was June 2018. Almost 3 years ago. I don't believe Quasi need to come out and make any sort of statement for someone they've barely promoted as a rider in the last few years. This can be dealt with internally.
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Hit up Quasi on insta like a man. I encourage others to do so too. Perhaps if they see it affecting their bottom line they'll act, and if they do, Cons might follow suit. If he loses his platform and this information becomes more widespread, perhaps he won't be able to continue to do this to women. (https://i.ibb.co/2WWxxsv/Screenshot-20210402-094735.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0mmTTFC)
Thanks for doing this, honestly I was about to do something like this as well. I'm a big Gilbert fan and Quasi fan in general, I hope Quasi addresses something.
I think you still should. The more people hit them up the better. They'll either be pressured to respond or their silence will be easier to condemn
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When was the last time he was even featured in a post from Quasi on Instagram?
I just had a quick look and the last post that was soley in reference to him was June 2018. Almost 3 years ago. I don't believe Quasi need to come out and make any sort of statement for someone they've barely promoted as a rider in the last few years. This can be dealt with internally.
It can be, but should it? Wouldn’t it be nice to hear a brand take a stand AGAINST it, especially in the age of promoting skating that doesn’t just involve cis-males
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When was the last time he was even featured in a post from Quasi on Instagram?
I just had a quick look and the last post that was soley in reference to him was June 2018. Almost 3 years ago. I don't believe Quasi need to come out and make any sort of statement for someone they've barely promoted as a rider in the last few years. This can be dealt with internally.
at the very least they should acknowledge they've parted ways
this is the second post i've seen of yours today that has sympathized with those accused of abuse/companies that promote them. get a grip dude
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When was the last time he was even featured in a post from Quasi on Instagram?
I just had a quick look and the last post that was soley in reference to him was June 2018. Almost 3 years ago. I don't believe Quasi need to come out and make any sort of statement for someone they've barely promoted as a rider in the last few years. This can be dealt with internally.
at the very least they should acknowledge they've parted ways
this is the second post i've seen of yours today that has sympathized with those accused of abuse/companies that promote them. get a grip dude
I'm not sympathising with Al Davis at all. I've heard stories. He can save it, and I hope Quasi & Cons do drop him. Think some of the grandstanding by some slap posters is misguided though.
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Now that they've made justin henry pro and are promoting it on their instagram i just can't think they did it to hide the al davis case.
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Now that they've made justin henry pro and are promoting it on their instagram i just can't think they did it to hide the al davis case.
Might be the worst take I've seen on here.
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Now that they've made justin henry pro and are promoting it on their instagram i just can't think they did it to hide the al davis case.
Might be the worst take I've seen on here.
Don't get me wrong, i love Henry's skating, huge fan. The problem is their lack of courage to address the Al Davis situation, and him turning pro during this whole controversy without Quasi addressing or kicking Al just seems like their avoiding talking about it.
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Now that they've made justin henry pro and are promoting it on their instagram i just can't think they did it to hide the al davis case.
Might be the worst take I've seen on here.
Idk I think this controversy might just be contained within slap and converse’s Instagram, realistically how much is this affecting Quasi
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Now that they've made justin henry pro and are promoting it on their instagram i just can't think they did it to hide the al davis case.
Might be the worst take I've seen on here.
They have removed his boards from the webstore. They've clearly addressed it in house.
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Now that they've made justin henry pro and are promoting it on their instagram i just can't think they did it to hide the al davis case.
Might be the worst take I've seen on here.
Looking through this point of view, yeah i think it's not affecting them so much because they weren't promoting Al
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Now that they've made justin henry pro and are promoting it on their instagram i just can't think they did it to hide the al davis case.
Might be the worst take I've seen on here.
They have removed his boards from the webstore. They've clearly addressed it in house.
Converse scrubbed the original post and took him off the team page too. His career's probably a wrap.
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Now that they've made justin henry pro and are promoting it on their instagram i just can't think they did it to hide the al davis case.
Might be the worst take I've seen on here.
They have removed his boards from the webstore. They've clearly addressed it in house.
No they didn’t. It’s there
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I started a comment/ thread on the new quasi full length
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Now that they've made justin henry pro and are promoting it on their instagram i just can't think they did it to hide the al davis case.
Might be the worst take I've seen on here.
They have removed his boards from the webstore. They've clearly addressed it in house.
No they didn’t. It’s there
I stand corrected, must have scrolled past it. It's weird they left that up but took him off their team page.
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Send Al to Horny jail
i've been saying for years that the gx crew is a bunch of arrogant pricks who love sucking their own dicks. what more can i say...entitled scumbags who think their fits and zany lines are god's gift
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They have definitely been planning Henry going pro. Dude had a colorway with Vans and been working on a part. This has been in the works. I don't even know why I feel inclined to address this or acknowledge whoever posted it was a cover up.
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I find weird how the Yonnie thread is blowing up more than the Al one, I mean I guess it's because Yonnie is more of an active pro in the industry?
Spreading an STI knowingly is horrible, but compared to rape accusations by 7 different women, I find the Al Davis situation a lot worse.
I also remember sometime last year Taylor Nawrocki posted something about BLM on his IG, and Al Davis had commented on it saying something like 'TOO LATE DOG'. I always found that weird.
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I find weird how the Yonnie thread is blowing up more than the Al one, I mean I guess it's because Yonnie is more of an active pro in the industry?
Spreading an STI knowingly is horrible, but compared to rape accusations by 7 different women, I find the Al Davis situation a lot worse.
I also remember sometime last year Taylor Nawrocki posted something about BLM on his IG, and Al Davis had commented on it saying something like 'TOO LATE DOG'. I always found that weird.
Double standards
They don't want to shit on quasi.
What Yonnie did was bad.... But Al Davis is evil.
All forgotten about now. Like GX.
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GX1000 could’ve been the sickest company ever with the sickest crew of dudes ever but nooooooo they all had to be a bunch of scumbags or cocky fratboy jocks or sexual abusers, or a combo of all three.
Perfect example of how you could come out with one of the gnarliest, most beloved videos ever (Roll Up) and still flush it all away if the crew of dudes behind it are total pieces of shit.
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Al D is barely even in the industry. Yonnie is a lot more active. It's not that hard to think about. Al has been dropped by Quasi and that Cons post was likely pandering to the woke crowd for marketing and was a poor choice at that.
Also, if you've ever met anyone that reps the Bay Area like the GX dudes, they are almost always arrogant and lame.
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not for nothing, what yonnie did is also rape
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Hit up Quasi on insta like a man. I encourage others to do so too. Perhaps if they see it affecting their bottom line they'll act, and if they do, Cons might follow suit. If he loses his platform and this information becomes more widespread, perhaps he won't be able to continue to do this to women. (https://i.ibb.co/2WWxxsv/Screenshot-20210402-094735.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0mmTTFC)
Thanks for doing this, honestly I was about to do something like this as well. I'm a big Gilbert fan and Quasi fan in general, I hope Quasi addresses something.
I messaged Quasi on IG as well. In their response, they said they don't sponsor Al Davis. Nothing beyond that that would allude to whether he was let go pre-controversy or after.
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I find weird how the Yonnie thread is blowing up more than the Al one, I mean I guess it's because Yonnie is more of an active pro in the industry?
Spreading an STI knowingly is horrible, but compared to rape accusations by 7 different women, I find the Al Davis situation a lot worse.
I also remember sometime last year Taylor Nawrocki posted something about BLM on his IG, and Al Davis had commented on it saying something like 'TOO LATE DOG'. I always found that weird.
I think it’s because someone, maybe Inks and Images, gave their personal account to LuredByProSkaters. The Al Davis stuff has just remained in the Cons post comments and hasn’t been expanded upon. That’s the only thing I can say to it
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Hit up Quasi on insta like a man. I encourage others to do so too. Perhaps if they see it affecting their bottom line they'll act, and if they do, Cons might follow suit. If he loses his platform and this information becomes more widespread, perhaps he won't be able to continue to do this to women. (https://i.ibb.co/2WWxxsv/Screenshot-20210402-094735.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0mmTTFC)
Thanks for doing this, honestly I was about to do something like this as well. I'm a big Gilbert fan and Quasi fan in general, I hope Quasi addresses something.
I messaged Quasi on IG as well. In their response, they said they don't sponsor Al Davis. Nothing beyond that that would allude to whether he was let go pre-controversy or after.
That’s a pretty chickenshit way of handling it. Getting rid of him so you don’t have to say shit about it. Woof
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The fact that people can't recognize aspects of both of these arguments as valid, hurts my brain/heart. This is an incredibly nuanced issue, women need to be heard and protected from these creeps, but at the same time we can't have a fucking unruly witch-hunt based on words alone. Have some fucking empathy, and try to think about the downsides of your preferred course of action. Both "solutions" right now have the potential to absolutely destroy perfectly good people, and that's wrong. Rapists should not go free, false accusations should have real consequences. Women should feel safe and confident in their ability to report this horrible shit and it be taken care of. Men should feel safe and confident in their innocence if they have done nothing to jeopardize it. Stop acting like you've got this shit figured out, because we clearly DON'T.
This.
If you look at the stats, there are way more sexual assaults on women than women making false accusations. Lumping them together like some kind of competing problem in society is just fence sitting bullshit.
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him (silently?) being removed from his sponsors isn't the answer.
i understand brands wanting to cut ties, but its about creating an awareness so this behavior doesn't continue and endanger anyone else.
he's directly benefited from endorsements, so quietly letting him go doesn't seem to hurt his image at all or promote any sort of accountability. but then again none of this is all that surprising in a male dominated industry.
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I find weird how the Yonnie thread is blowing up more than the Al one, I mean I guess it's because Yonnie is more of an active pro in the industry?
Spreading an STI knowingly is horrible, but compared to rape accusations by 7 different women, I find the Al Davis situation a lot worse.
I also remember sometime last year Taylor Nawrocki posted something about BLM on his IG, and Al Davis had commented on it saying something like 'TOO LATE DOG'. I always found that weird.
I think it's because of a lack of new content. Quasi and Cons have stayed quiet, even if Quasi dropped him. We don't have an @inkandimages here talking about their experience with him, or public posts, nothing from @luredbyskaters, just comments in a Cons post. It infuriates me that this approach from these companies seems to be working >:(
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Is it possible that Al was quietly dropped by Quasi before all of this came out? I'm not trying to excuse them for not speaking up, but it would help explain why they haven't said anything. I doubt they would want to get involved if he was already off before this point.
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Is it possible that Al was quietly dropped by Quasi before all of this came out? I'm not trying to excuse them for not speaking up, but it would help explain why they haven't said anything. I doubt they would want to get involved if he was already off before this point.
they could at have the decency to make a public statement acknowledging the situation and declaring that they do not support abusers... it's the least they could do. it bums me out too because i used to love quasi, but this shit is embarrassing.
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Is it possible that Al was quietly dropped by Quasi before all of this came out? I'm not trying to excuse them for not speaking up, but it would help explain why they haven't said anything. I doubt they would want to get involved if he was already off before this point.
Would be an awful coincidence if they dropped him before this but kept his boards in the online shop, and they just so happened to only sell out a week or so ago, shortly after this had all blown up... I'm saying nah.
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Al Davis, Bay Area, San Francisco. Everybodys on here wondering bout this but dont know the story? I know his so called 'ex', shes a skate groupie ho. She was dating Al, then found out he had other girlfriends, so shes all butthurt with her friends making shit up bout Al. Als got money, gets girls, girls get jealous they got played then make shit up to get back at him. Fuck that ho n all her lil lame ass nobody ho friends. Dont hate the player, hate the game you lost at bitch.
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Al Davis, Bay Area, San Francisco. Everybodys on here wondering bout this but dont know the story? I know his so called 'ex', shes a skate groupie ho. She was dating Al, then found out he had other girlfriends, so shes all butthurt with her friends making shit up bout Al. Als got money, gets girls, girls get jealous they got played then make shit up to get back at him. Fuck that ho n all her lil lame ass nobody ho friends. Dont hate the player, hate the game you lost at bitch.
Al Davis hi
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1-2, 1-2, Al Davis, Bay Area, San Francisco.
Everybodys on here wondering bout this/
but dont know the story? I know his/
so called 'ex'/
shes a skate groupie ho (groupie ho!)
She was dating Al/
then found out/
he had other girlfriends/
so shes all butthurt with her friends/
making shit up bout Al (bout Al!)
Als got money, gets girls, girls get jealous they got played/
then make shit up to get back at him/
Fuck that ho n all her lil lame/
ass nobody ho friends/
Dont hate the player, hate the game you lost at bitch.
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Yes Al Davis was so wealthy he had to have a gofundme to get his pictures developed foh
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Yes Al Davis was so wealthy he had to have a gofundme to get his pictures developed foh
He played those putting money into his account also
Hes still making money😂🤣😂
And besides is that all you got that he had a gofundme, please FOH😈
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Yes Al Davis was so wealthy he had to have a gofundme to get his pictures developed foh
that alone makes him a fucking kook.
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Yes Al Davis was so wealthy he had to have a gofundme to get his pictures developed foh
He played those putting money into his account also
Hes still making money&#128514;&#129315;&#128514;
And besides is that all you got that he had a gofundme, please FOH&#128520;
So are you trying to make the dude seem like an alright guy, or rather prove that he is indeed, a scumbag?
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Al Davis, Bay Area, San Francisco. Everybodys on here wondering bout this but dont know the story? I know his so called 'ex', shes a skate groupie ho. She was dating Al, then found out he had other girlfriends, so shes all butthurt with her friends making shit up bout Al. Als got money, gets girls, girls get jealous they got played then make shit up to get back at him. Fuck that ho n all her lil lame ass nobody ho friends. Dont hate the player, hate the game you lost at bitch.
found him
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Yes Al Davis was so wealthy he had to have a gofundme to get his pictures developed foh
He played those putting money into his account also
You do remember you signed up on here to defend him, right?
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Al Davis, Bay Area, San Francisco. Everybodys on here wondering bout this but dont know the story? I know his so called 'ex', shes a skate groupie ho. She was dating Al, then found out he had other girlfriends, so shes all butthurt with her friends making shit up bout Al. Als got money, gets girls, girls get jealous they got played then make shit up to get back at him. Fuck that ho n all her lil lame ass nobody ho friends. Dont hate the player, hate the game you lost at bitch.
https://youtu.be/ifaoKZfQpdA
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1-2, 1-2, Al Davis, Bay Area, San Francisco.
Everybodys on here wondering bout this/
but dont know the story? I know his/
so called 'ex'/
shes a skate groupie ho (groupie ho!)
She was dating Al/
then found out/
he had other girlfriends/
so shes all butthurt with her friends/
making shit up bout Al (bout Al!)
Als got money, gets girls, girls get jealous they got played/
then make shit up to get back at him/
Fuck that ho n all her lil lame/
ass nobody ho friends/
Dont hate the player, hate the game you lost at bitch.
wow thank you for this. too too good
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Al Davis, Bay Area, San Francisco. Everybodys on here wondering bout this but dont know the story? I know his so called 'ex', shes a skate groupie ho. She was dating Al, then found out he had other girlfriends, so shes all butthurt with her friends making shit up bout Al. Als got money, gets girls, girls get jealous they got played then make shit up to get back at him. Fuck that ho n all her lil lame ass nobody ho friends. Dont hate the player, hate the game you lost at bitch.
what’s up lennie? kinda weird to pop your head in on this one, but god bless
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Al Davis, Bay Area, San Francisco. Everybodys on here wondering bout this but dont know the story? I know his so called 'ex', shes a skate groupie ho. She was dating Al, then found out he had other girlfriends, so shes all butthurt with her friends making shit up bout Al. Als got money, gets girls, girls get jealous they got played then make shit up to get back at him. Fuck that ho n all her lil lame ass nobody ho friends. Dont hate the player, hate the game you lost at bitch.
Lennie Kirk?
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Al Davis, Bay Area, San Francisco. Everybodys on here wondering bout this but dont know the story? I know his so called 'ex', shes a skate groupie ho. She was dating Al, then found out he had other girlfriends, so shes all butthurt with her friends making shit up bout Al. Als got money, gets girls, girls get jealous they got played then make shit up to get back at him. Fuck that ho n all her lil lame ass nobody ho friends. Dont hate the player, hate the game you lost at bitch.
Lennie Kirk?
only other posts are him setting some other dude straight in a way ONLY lennie kirk/someone as absurd as him, would.
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Al Davis, Bay Area, San Francisco. Everybodys on here wondering bout this but dont know the story? I know his so called 'ex', shes a skate groupie ho. She was dating Al, then found out he had other girlfriends, so shes all butthurt with her friends making shit up bout Al. Als got money, gets girls, girls get jealous they got played then make shit up to get back at him. Fuck that ho n all her lil lame ass nobody ho friends. Dont hate the player, hate the game you lost at bitch.
Lennie Kirk?
only other posts are him setting some other dude straight in a way ONLY lennie kirk/someone as absurd as him, would.
also the use of 13 as IE and just being from SF. has to be
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you think you can just a ban a hacker like lennie? pretty sure we just signed our own eDeath eWarrants
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Hey ya'll remember that one time Lennie Kirk came on here to defend Al Davis after Al had been kicked from his sponsors?
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you're aware of the "SF rape culture" thread and the posts in the Yonnie thread about SF dudes sticking by their homies even when they've done horrible shit, and blaming the victims, right neverends? Cuz damn you just verified every one of those accusations in one post.
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So, whenever I see his 'ex' at skate spots she has all her skater girlfriends sitting at her feet like sheep, listening to her whine n complain bout her life. Then when she leaves you hear her girl skater friends saying "I wish she would shut the fuck up & let us skate, all day with lying bullshit." This 'ex' brags bout being a groupie to rappers. Her character is ho shit. Shes manipulating all you to believe her bcuz she got played. Shes just another ho from the dusty past.
Hi Al and his boys
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Is it possible that Al was quietly dropped by Quasi before all of this came out? I'm not trying to excuse them for not speaking up, but it would help explain why they haven't said anything. I doubt they would want to get involved if he was already off before this point.
they could at have the decency to make a public statement acknowledging the situation and declaring that they do not support abusers... it's the least they could do. it bums me out too because i used to love quasi, but this shit is embarrassing.
Abusers are literally all over the place these days, I don't know why people feel like they need to hold the brands accountable for this when there wasn't necessarily any obvious evidence of it beforehand. The WKND thing was different because obviously they were aware of it and they even joked about it but there's no reason to assume Quasi was in on this or had any knowledge. You're going to end up with every brand ever on your 'cancelled' list within the next five years and have to make your own skateboards.
I get it, this is shitty, fuck Al Davis and fuck abusers. But I don't think every company necessarily needs to put out a statement when this happens. They're just going to issue some blanket bullshit one way or the other that means nothing anyways and people on here are going to say 'it's not enough' regardless.
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you're aware of the "SF rape culture" thread and the posts in the Yonnie thread about SF dudes sticking by their homies even when they've done horrible shit, and blaming the victims, right neverends? Cuz damn you just verified every one of those accusations in one post.
don’t hate the player, hate the game ur clearly losing at
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you're aware of the "SF rape culture" thread and the posts in the Yonnie thread about SF dudes sticking by their homies even when they've done horrible shit, and blaming the victims, right neverends? Cuz damn you just verified every one of those accusations in one post.
You suck but this made me laugh tbh. Why you have so much sympathy for some easily manipulated mark ass hoe bois? Are they your homies?
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you're aware of the "SF rape culture" thread and the posts in the Yonnie thread about SF dudes sticking by their homies even when they've done horrible shit, and blaming the victims, right neverends? Cuz damn you just verified every one of those accusations in one post.
Wait I'm confused now...is this XoXoFlip?
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You're aware of the 'SF Ho culture' thats been in SF since the gold rush days rght?
lol he's a historian
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Is it possible that Al was quietly dropped by Quasi before all of this came out? I'm not trying to excuse them for not speaking up, but it would help explain why they haven't said anything. I doubt they would want to get involved if he was already off before this point.
they could at have the decency to make a public statement acknowledging the situation and declaring that they do not support abusers... it's the least they could do. it bums me out too because i used to love quasi, but this shit is embarrassing.
Abusers are literally all over the place these days, I don't know why people feel like they need to hold the brands accountable for this when there wasn't necessarily any obvious evidence of it beforehand. The WKND thing was different because obviously they were aware of it and they even joked about it but there's no reason to assume Quasi was in on this or had any knowledge. You're going to end up with every brand ever on your 'cancelled' list within the next five years and have to make your own skateboards.
I get it, this is shitty, fuck Al Davis and fuck abusers. But I don't think every company necessarily needs to put out a statement when this happens. They're just going to issue some blanket bullshit one way or the other that means nothing anyways and people on here are going to say 'it's not enough' regardless.
Gonna oppose this one. I've got as much evidence to say that Quasi knew about Al's antics as you have to assume they didn't. Wanna know how? Cause they haven't actually said anything. WKND knew, so Quasi could have known, it's obviously not unheard of is it?
These assumptions of a cooler company being on the right side of things are what lead to blurred lines. It's what leads to skaters shrugging these things off when their mates do them. Skate companies have influence, they need to understand that and be clear. It's clearly wrong, they all know it, so why can't they use their influence to say it? The industry will be in a forever loop of this shit happening otherwise.
Jimmy turns pro for ____, Jimmy rapes girls, Jimmy quietly gets kicked off ____, ____ never explains it or says that they're against it.... Timmy turns pro for ____, Timmy rapes girls etc. etc. the cycle continues.
It's important to remember that most skaters do not read slap and don't know these things at all, the industry is profiting off those people never finding out about this stuff which is perpetuating skate rape culture in the process.
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You're aware of the 'SF Ho culture' thats been in SF since the gold rush days rght?
lol he's a historian
A ho-storian, if you will.
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neverends for the quickest on/of Slap ever? That lasted like 5 minutes and 2 posts.
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You're aware of the 'SF Ho culture' thats been in SF since the gold rush days rght?
lol he's a historian
A ho-storian, if you will.
I certainly will!
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Ok, so heres the deal, My name is Tyreese, from east Oakland, I wrote(sold13r,neverends) all these bout this bitch accusing Al. I live in oakland & these hos always be at the oakland courthouse hoing/sk8ing. If any of you want to interview them or if any of you got an issue with me come here to the courthouse in oakland, ask for me, & after you get knocked out, maybe you can see more clearly the truth bout these scrub bitches. Good luck tho, because they sure aren't gonna help your ass, what up against 18 of us? See you there.
if you want to be taken seriously on the next go around, maybe refrain from being disgustingly misogynistic. i would never believe a single word out of someone’s mouth that can’t refrain calling women hoes or bitches in every single sentence. the one solace that i and most reading this can have is that it’s evident that you’re life is fully devoid of meaning and joy. good luck with that. when you wake up tomorrow and feel deep resentment towards the world, look inward. you might find some stuff to work on. and if you work, (and maybe divorce yourself from your kook ass friends) you might find that life isn’t so miserable after all, and the only person “out to get you” is you. if not, blow your head off, no one will care, especially not your 18 boys
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Ok, so heres the deal, My name is Tyreese, from east Oakland, I wrote(sold13r,neverends) all these bout this bitch accusing Al. I live in oakland & these hos always be at the oakland courthouse hoing/sk8ing. If any of you want to interview them or if any of you got an issue with me come here to the courthouse in oakland, ask for me, & after you get knocked out, maybe you can see more clearly the truth bout these scrub bitches. Good luck tho, because they sure aren't gonna help your ass, what up against 18 of us? See you there.
“You might find that life isn’t so miserable.” Also! “Blow your head off.”
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If the rest of the scumbags come out of the woodwork to defend you, then yes... you are a scumbag
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hi, i’m the guy who beats up people at oakland courthouse and i’m here to serve as a character witness for my friend lmaooo
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Hahahahahah. Al Davis has lame ass friends. Quit sinnin
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What is it with the Bay Area creeps like Tyreese and xoflipxo that they keep demanding that we travel to them in order for them to beat us up. How about they come to where I am and beat me up. Seems only fairer!
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there isnt any worse look than having a bunch of idiots come out to defend you on slap. it's such a boneheaded move that i almost want to believe it's a 4D chess move to try and make Al look worse, but, since that isn't possible his friends must really be that mentally deficient
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There is no crew of dudes waiting to beat people up at the Courthouse. Just high school kids, the same pros and their friends, and the same older dudes every day. It’s hilarious to think about which of these Tyrese actually is.
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There is no crew of dudes waiting to beat people up at the Courthouse. Just high school kids, the same pros and their friends, and the same older dudes every day. It’s hilarious to think about which of these Tyrese actually is.
All Gippers former students he’s radicalized against Pals
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There is no crew of dudes waiting to beat people up at the Courthouse. Just high school kids, the same pros and their friends, and the same older dudes every day. It’s hilarious to think about which of these Tyrese actually is.
All Gippers former students he’s radicalized against Pals
Ahahaha
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There is no crew of dudes waiting to beat people up at the Courthouse. Just high school kids, the same pros and their friends, and the same older dudes every day. It’s hilarious to think about which of these Tyrese actually is.
All Gippers former students he’s radicalized against Pals
Ahahaha
also hhahaha
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There is no crew of dudes waiting to beat people up at the Courthouse. Just high school kids, the same pros and their friends, and the same older dudes every day. It’s hilarious to think about which of these Tyrese actually is.
All Gippers former students he’s radicalized against Pals
Ahahaha
also hhahaha
Could be CoTG
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There is no crew of dudes waiting to beat people up at the Courthouse. Just high school kids, the same pros and their friends, and the same older dudes every day. It’s hilarious to think about which of these Tyrese actually is.
All Gippers former students he’s radicalized against Pals
maybe my new favorite slap post hahaha
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It's on IG stories so i would assume it must be true
People want extensive evidence when the skater is 'cool'. I'm still waiting for someone to show me any evidence or show me any girl who accused Chase Webb. I'm not saying Chase Webb is a great guy but it always bothered me that literally nobody could come up with anything other than drunk Chima making an unfounded claim on The Bunt, and it got taken as absolute gospel because we already don't like Chase Webb so it must be true.
Underrated post right here
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yall know chase went on that active erica and brink show and mentioned putting a screwdriver in his friends ass BEFORE chima called him out right? brink even gave him a few chances to say he was kidding or whatever but he doubled down. Chima didnt make it up, he was quoting chases own story.
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yall know chase went on that active erica and brink show and mentioned putting a screwdriver in his friends ass BEFORE chima called him out right? brink even gave him a few chances to say he was kidding or whatever but he doubled down. Chima didnt make it up, he was quoting chases own story.
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I think there refereeing TK chase gabor
Edit: impressed @Pete was able to understand what I was trying to write above. Def don’t know what happened there
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oh shit i thought that was the same person. my bad, i dont fuck with anyone named chase.
edit: ite i guess i dont even know who chase webb is. but yeah chase gabor went on that show and really bragged and double down about putting things in his friends butts while they were trying to sleep or whatever. im not trying to derail this thread like that one moron was.
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Kid should be named "caught" instead of chase the way he just brags about being a piece of shit.
Pete was on the money
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvZlRC8Bo0Q&ab_channel=RIDEChannel
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My local got a email yesterday from Quasi announcing Al is no longer on and they hope the victims get the help they need
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My local got a email yesterday from Quasi announcing Al is no longer on and they hope the victims get the help they need
Would it be that hard to just post that on insta. Instead of quasi sweeping it under the rug.
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My local got a email yesterday from Quasi announcing Al is no longer on and they hope the victims get the help they need
I’m surprised quasi hasn’t posted anything yet
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hi, i’m the guy who beats up people at oakland courthouse and i’m here to serve as a character witness for my friend lmaooo
Wonder if he has the same cut of pants as Al. Not joking.
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My local got a email yesterday from Quasi announcing Al is no longer on and they hope the victims get the help they need
I’m surprised quasi hasn’t posted anything yet
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i skate at the courthouse weekly and never see the hos that were mentioned in this thread.
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Just to bump to remind people that Al is likely the worst of all these terrible guys...
I was asked to post this GoFundMe for one of Al’s victims who is struggling to pay the hospital bills for injuries that Al inflicted. Help if you can.
http://www.gofundme.com/f/help-survivor-pay-off-er-bill?utm_campaign=p_cf+share-flow-1&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer (http://www.gofundme.com/f/help-survivor-pay-off-er-bill?utm_campaign=p_cf+share-flow-1&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer)
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Quasi sended an email to their distributor
they cut Al promodel
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Just to bump to remind people that Al is likely the worst of all these terrible guys...
I was asked to post this GoFundMe for one of Al’s victims who is struggling to pay the hospital bills for injuries that Al inflicted. Help if you can.
http://www.gofundme.com/f/help-survivor-pay-off-er-bill?utm_campaign=p_cf+share-flow-1&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer (http://www.gofundme.com/f/help-survivor-pay-off-er-bill?utm_campaign=p_cf+share-flow-1&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer)
Sad world we live in when someone has to start a gofundme for $541.
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Just to bump to remind people that Al is likely the worst of all these terrible guys...
I was asked to post this GoFundMe for one of Al’s victims who is struggling to pay the hospital bills for injuries that Al inflicted. Help if you can.
http://www.gofundme.com/f/help-survivor-pay-off-er-bill?utm_campaign=p_cf+share-flow-1&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer (http://www.gofundme.com/f/help-survivor-pay-off-er-bill?utm_campaign=p_cf+share-flow-1&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer)
Sad world we live in when someone has to start a gofundme for $541.
Probably feels like she shouldn’t have to pay for something that wasn’t her fault, which is fair. $541 isn’t shit for you or me, but that’s a lot of money when you’re young.
I just need more information, because there is a small chance that this is a hustle. Who is the victim, and what were the injuries that Al caused? Was this just a doctors visit with lousy insurance, or was a procedure done? Why is this person asking for $600 when the bill is under $550 (maybe that’s to cover a gofundme service fee, not sure)?
Edit: I can understand why the name is marked out, but why is any portion of the bill that would show the date of the ER visit cropped out? There is a possibility that some San Fran dude just dm’d a Slap guy a gofundme link for a quick payday.
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Damn I didn't know we were naming hospitals after Mark Zuckerberg already
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oh fun, once again, dudes of slap not understanding sexual abuse and trauma. this will go super well
if this is true, it's a massive bummer, and i hope the women get the help and justice they deserve
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Damn I didn't know we were naming hospitals after Mark Zuckerberg already
donate a 100 mil and you can get your name on one
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Just to bump to remind people that Al is likely the worst of all these terrible guys...
I was asked to post this GoFundMe for one of Al’s victims who is struggling to pay the hospital bills for injuries that Al inflicted. Help if you can.
http://www.gofundme.com/f/help-survivor-pay-off-er-bill?utm_campaign=p_cf+share-flow-1&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer (http://www.gofundme.com/f/help-survivor-pay-off-er-bill?utm_campaign=p_cf+share-flow-1&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer)
Sad world we live in when someone has to start a gofundme for $541.
Probably feels like she shouldn’t have to pay for something that wasn’t her fault, which is fair. $541 isn’t shit for you or me, but that’s a lot of money when you’re young.
I just need more information, because there is a small chance that this is a hustle. Who is the victim, and what were the injuries that Al caused? Was this just a doctors visit with lousy insurance, or was a procedure done? Why is this person asking for $600 when the bill is under $550 (maybe that’s to cover a gofundme service fee, not sure)?
Edit: I can understand why the name is marked out, but why is any portion of the bill that would show the date of the ER visit cropped out? There is a possibility that some San Fran dude just dm’d a Slap guy a gofundme link for a quick payday.
From the person who asked me to post. She has verified it’s a real person
http://ibb.co/vLhm8cL (http://ibb.co/vLhm8cL)
(If anyone can repost the image better than me, while I figure it out, I’d appreciate it)
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I got you, fam.
(https://i.ibb.co/9yh2jpy/7-B6-C15-AB-8-A8-C-46-D9-9-D92-DC722854-A9-AD.png) (https://ibb.co/vLhm8cL)
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yo nah theres not some incel posing as a victim and using slap for real is there?? what the fuck
hopfefully thats not the case ever.
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yo nah theres not some incel posing as a victim and using slap for real is there?? what the fuck
hopfefully thats not the case ever.
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I trust the person that had me post this. They’ve been doing a lot to help Yonnie’s victims on their IG page, so it seems all legit. Unless they say it’s cool to share their page, I’m not going to, but they’ve been referenced before
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yo nah theres not some incel posing as a victim and using slap for real is there?? what the fuck
hopfefully thats not the case ever.
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I trust the person that had me post this. They’ve been doing a lot to help Yonnie’s victims on their IG page, so it seems all legit. Unless they say it’s cool to share their page, I’m not going to, but they’ve been referenced before
I know the person, and this is legit. To the other poster who said it was a "sad world" where there was a GoFundMe for $541, please consider that the lens through which you view finances may not be the same for everyone else -- I gently urge you to remember this. It is a very sad world, indeed. For many reasons.
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Now that's dm'ing like a man - Gunna gnar you everyday for a week
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There's someone I follow on instagram who was alluding to the Yonnie thing before it broke out. Then after the post from luredby this person was talking maaaddd shit in Yonnie and rightfully so.
However this same person just posted a photo print of Al's and just tagged him.
The world is complex and layered. I need a break from IG. Either way. Fuck Al D too.
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I had to Rick Ross grunt off of that one.
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I had to Rick Ross grunt off of that one.
Needs to go to Cons, Lee Berman, Gx1000 too
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I feel like you guys are going too hard on Quasi when they weren’t even promoting him as a skater at all since the Mother video. It seems to me they distanced themselves from Al before this incident came to light. As unfortunate as the victims situation is, I don’t see why Quasi should have to pay for her hospital bill (if they did that’s fucking great tho).
People should be going after CONS since they were still promoting him on insta and cameos in videos until recently, and as a big company that on their words champions human rights. I remember them posting Al content a lot during the BLM protests just last year, also the GX dudes.
I remember Delatorre and Al were tight, makes you wonder how much shit he knows or has been involved in too?
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I feel like you guys are going too hard on Quasi when they weren’t even promoting him as a skater at all since the Mother video. It seems to me they distanced themselves from Al before this incident came to light. As unfortunate as the victims situation is, I don’t see why Quasi should have to pay for her hospital bill (if they did that’s fucking great tho).
People should be going after CONS since they were still promoting him on insta and cameos in videos until recently, and as a big company that on their words champions human rights. I remember them posting Al content a lot during the BLM protests just last year, also the GX dudes.
I remember Delatorre and Al were tight, makes you wonder how much shit he knows or has been involved in too?
Agreed. Barking up the wrong tree with Quasi. Just seems so misguided. Al should man up and pay.
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Quasi should at the very least acknowledge the situation publicly. Is selling his pro model board years after the mother video came out not promoting him?