Woodshop Directory 2020 Thread

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Are Madness boards any good?
I uhhhh ordered a board while drunk last night and then forgot until I received the shipping notification this morning. I've been riding BBS or PS exclusively for the past four years so don't know what to expect. I just bought it because it's 9" with 14.25" wb and front wheel wells.

pretty good
a friend of mine had 2 in a row and he's stoked
it seems dwindle R7 are good

[TumKayo]

How can we tell if a Toy Machine is PS or Generator? I have the Leabres Fountain 8.0, and I love it. It's super flat, flatter than my mellow Baker OG shape, making me think it's PS sticks.

Any reason why one or the other would better for big boards (9.0-9.25), generator or PS?

[Glurmpz]

How can we tell if a Toy Machine is PS or Generator?

Well they haven't used Generator in years so it's either PS or China pressed. The China ones are steeper, the PS stix ones have the serial number.

[TwisT]

last time I was at the shop everything had stickers on it. hencho en Mexico, made in the US, American Made, Made in china, pressed in Canada etc...

Whats anybody know the what the legal requirements are for those labels?

[Junglist]

Foundation is back at Watson but toy machine isn’t which is so weird. Watson Toy Machine boards were awesome

[yourbreakfsat]

Are Madness boards any good?
I uhhhh ordered a board while drunk last night and then forgot until I received the shipping notification this morning. I've been riding BBS or PS exclusively for the past four years so don't know what to expect. I just bought it because it's 9" with 14.25" wb and front wheel wells.

They have steep concave and steep kicks.

I had one a year ago and rode it with Indys. While I think it was a good board, something felt super off about it and I eventually got another deck the next chance I could. I think it was just because of how steep the concave and kicks were, which I don't really prefer.

[TumKayo]

Foundation is back at Watson but toy machine isn’t which is so weird. Watson Toy Machine boards were awesome

I just got back into skating after 7 years and bought a Toy Machine recently, thinking it was still from Watson. It felt different, so I went on this thread later and saw it could be from BBS, which I know I love cuz I grew up skating Expedition One and DGK. Asked a question and found out it has to be from PS Stix, cuz it’s not from China. I’ve been comparing with a DGK and Baker recently too.

I learned today that anything made from Watson, Generator, or PS Stix is a high quality board, each just have slightly different feels. I absolutely love the PS Stix Toy Machine, and I used to think I hated anything other than Watson or Generator.

[Damoforce]

China Toy Machine is junk, changed my mind lol

Lasted 3 days, pressure cracked instantly and the nose was way noticeably steeper than the tale. Maybe from PS Stix they could be ok.

Rode a Folklore, Aussie brand. Went soft after a week, they said it should hold pop longer so maybe a bad board. But again, they won't let anyone know their woodshop

[rocklobster]

China Toy Machine is junk, changed my mind lol

Lasted 3 days, pressure cracked instantly and the nose was way noticeably steeper than the tale. Maybe from PS Stix they could be ok.

Rode a Folklore, Aussie brand. Went soft after a week, they said it should hold pop longer so maybe a bad board. But again, they won't let anyone know their woodshop

Damn, was it their regular boards or their Fibertech Lite ones? I rode a Fibertech Lite last year after picking one up on a business trip. Best deck I rode in the past 12 months. They are super secretive about their woodshop.

[TumKayo]

Are primitive price point decks BBS as well?

[rocklobster]

Are primitive price point decks BBS as well?

Dont think so team boards are from China

[ish_wav]

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Are primitive price point decks BBS as well?

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Dont think so team boards are from China

Is this newest run of Primitive BBS? They look a lot like clutch O Shape in their most recent insta posts.

[TheLowerBack]

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Are primitive price point decks BBS as well?

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They could just be using different woodshops due to the drought. Anything goes right now

Dont think so team boards are from China

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Is this newest run of Primitive BBS? They look a lot like clutch O Shape in their most recent insta posts.

[Glurmpz]

Foundation is back at Watson but toy machine isn’t which is so weird. Watson Toy Machine boards were awesome

All the Foundation boards we have at the shop are still China pressed.

[TumKayo]

Thanks

[Glurmpz]

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Foundation is back at Watson but toy machine isn’t which is so weird. Watson Toy Machine boards were awesome

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I just got back into skating after 7 years and bought a Toy Machine recently, thinking it was still from Watson. It felt different, so I went on this thread later and saw it could be from BBS, which I know I love cuz I grew up skating Expedition One and DGK. Asked a question and found out it has to be from PS Stix, cuz it’s not from China. I’ve been comparing with a DGK and Baker recently too.

I learned today that anything made from Watson, Generator, or PS Stix is a high quality board, each just have slightly different feels. I absolutely love the PS Stix Toy Machine, and I used to think I hated anything other than Watson or Generator.

Toy Machine hasn’t used Watson in probably over a decade - I worked for the distro when they stopped getting anything done at Watson and it was a loooooong time ago. They were BBS for many years until they switched to a mix of PS and China.

[Junglist]

Interesting to hear that Glurmpz, I thought the team boards were Watson until at least 2015 or 2016, I guess then bbs toy machines were awesome. Foundation is Watson though, Watson’s Instagram account has their most recent boards on there. Could it be that Canadian and US boards are different?

[Glurmpz]

Foundation is Watson though, Watson’s Instagram account has their most recent boards on there. Could it be that Canadian and US boards are different?

That’s a new development then. Foundation used Watson for a while again back in the mid 2010s, but they went to BBS as well, then PS, then China. Probably using Watson after complaints on the China boards. Tum Yeto actually owns Watson but the woodshop presses primarily longboards and old school/pool shapes.

[TumKayo]

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Foundation is back at Watson but toy machine isn’t which is so weird. Watson Toy Machine boards were awesome

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I just got back into skating after 7 years and bought a Toy Machine recently, thinking it was still from Watson. It felt different, so I went on this thread later and saw it could be from BBS, which I know I love cuz I grew up skating Expedition One and DGK. Asked a question and found out it has to be from PS Stix, cuz it’s not from China. I’ve been comparing with a DGK and Baker recently too.

I learned today that anything made from Watson, Generator, or PS Stix is a high quality board, each just have slightly different feels. I absolutely love the PS Stix Toy Machine, and I used to think I hated anything other than Watson or Generator.

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Toy Machine hasn’t used Watson in probably over a decade - I worked for the distro when they stopped getting anything done at Watson and it was a loooooong time ago. They were BBS for many years until they switched to a mix of PS and China.

I had a couple Toy Machines, around 2003-2004 and 2005-2006 maybe. I was in my young teens, and I don't actually know where they were made. I did research back in 2012, remembering those TM boards because they were some of my favorites, and came to the conclusion that they were Watson back when I had them. I could be way off.

My current 8.0 Leabres Fountain deck is probably my favorite deck. Is that PS Stix? It feels very high quality, I don't think it's from China. Compared to both mellow concave Baker 8.475 and DGK 7.8 Cap Shanahan, it's much more flat. I love the shape. The flatter profile feels more comfortable for a long session. It also feels a little less stiff than my BBS stuff, in a good way.   

[rocklobster]

Loving my Santa Cruz P2 8.25, are the Almost Impact Support (2 carbon discs instead of the 1 strip) comparable in performance? Also general reviews of DSM pro boards would be appreciated.

[Damoforce]

Loving my Santa Cruz P2 8.25, are the Almost Impact Support (2 carbon discs instead of the 1 strip) comparable in performance? Also general reviews of DSM pro boards would be appreciated.

On the Folklore decks, regular board was the sog. I'm on the FibreTech now to see how that holds up.

I have a Globe G3 and did have an Almost in my hands. Both look to be discs but not 100%

My Globe G3 has outlasted 4 other boards. The impact jazz they have seen to do the job and it hasn't razor tailed as quickly as my other decks.

[Mbrimson88]

On the Folklore decks, regular board was the sog. I'm on the FibreTech now to see how that holds up.

I have a Globe G3 and did have an Almost in my hands. Both look to be discs but not 100%

My Globe G3 has outlasted 4 other boards. The impact jazz they have seen to do the job and it hasn't razor tailed as quickly as my other decks.

Ever tried the Elan Redline decks?

They are a similar concave to Folklore and those other brands (might even come from the same woodshop) but have a few layers of strength through them.

I had a few come through the shop and the guys that skated them thought they were pretty good.

[Eric Dolphy]

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Are Madness boards any good?
I uhhhh ordered a board while drunk last night and then forgot until I received the shipping notification this morning. I've been riding BBS or PS exclusively for the past four years so don't know what to expect. I just bought it because it's 9" with 14.25" wb and front wheel wells.

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They have steep concave and steep kicks.

I had one a year ago and rode it with Indys. While I think it was a good board, something felt super off about it and I eventually got another deck the next chance I could. I think it was just because of how steep the concave and kicks were, which I don't really prefer.

Reporting back.
'Twas definitely made in China, it said so in three places. Resin7 construction. Concave and kicks were mellow, not steep. Pop was good. A lot of really nice attention to detail, the bottom veneer looked like it had been stained twice or something, had this nice textured screenprint, a little silkscreen MADNESS along the right outer edge, and a lasercut logo on top. Selling it to a mate tho because the shape isn't right for me. I'm used to the Quasi with super square kicks, or something resembling the Polar 1991 shape, so a football is all wrong for me. I need corners. Would still recommend tho, it was snappy and responsive.

[Damoforce]

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On the Folklore decks, regular board was the sog. I'm on the FibreTech now to see how that holds up.

I have a Globe G3 and did have an Almost in my hands. Both look to be discs but not 100%

My Globe G3 has outlasted 4 other boards. The impact jazz they have seen to do the job and it hasn't razor tailed as quickly as my other decks.

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Ever tried the Elan Redline decks?

They are a similar concave to Folklore and those other brands (might even come from the same woodshop) but have a few layers of strength through them.

I had a few come through the shop and the guys that skated them thought they were pretty good.

No I have not, I was looking at them yesterday. They have a carbon insert i think too.

[rocklobster]

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On the Folklore decks, regular board was the sog. I'm on the FibreTech now to see how that holds up.

I have a Globe G3 and did have an Almost in my hands. Both look to be discs but not 100%

My Globe G3 has outlasted 4 other boards. The impact jazz they have seen to do the job and it hasn't razor tailed as quickly as my other decks.

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Ever tried the Elan Redline decks?

They are a similar concave to Folklore and those other brands (might even come from the same woodshop) but have a few layers of strength through them.

I had a few come through the shop and the guys that skated them thought they were pretty good.

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No I have not, I was looking at them yesterday. They have a carbon insert i think too.

Probably the same woodshop which I have yet to CSI the source. China is doing a bunch of CF boards but none are similar to the ones that Elan or Folklore are putting out. Preduce (a brand from Thailand) is doing CF boards and I suspect it's from the same woodshop as the Elan or Folklore ones.

[FakieDisaster]

here in south east asia my rule of thumb unless already stated at the sticker, boards are always coming from the china.

[Mbrimson88]

Probably the same woodshop which I have yet to CSI the source. China is doing a bunch of CF boards but none are similar to the ones that Elan or Folklore are putting out. Preduce (a brand from Thailand) is doing CF boards and I suspect it's from the same woodshop as the Elan or Folklore ones.

Try Excel for the woodshop, which is what someone else said to me, but I would not know exactly though.  It fits with the pricepoint / budget version wood source too.

The main difference is the Folklore decks I have in pieces from other skaters all have just the one carbon fibre top, but the Redlines have the carbon fibre top, as well as at least one, maybe two other layers through the wood, which definitely make them a lot longer lasting and almost unbreakable, but I have seen one that snapped but still didn't want to come apart into two pieces.  Wish I had taken pics of it at the time, but it was interesting to see.

[Damoforce]

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Probably the same woodshop which I have yet to CSI the source. China is doing a bunch of CF boards but none are similar to the ones that Elan or Folklore are putting out. Preduce (a brand from Thailand) is doing CF boards and I suspect it's from the same woodshop as the Elan or Folklore ones.

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Try Excel for the woodshop, which is what someone else said to me, but I would not know exactly though.  It fits with the pricepoint / budget version wood source too.

The main difference is the Folklore decks I have in pieces from other skaters all have just the one carbon fibre top, but the Redlines have the carbon fibre top, as well as at least one, maybe two other layers through the wood, which definitely make them a lot longer lasting and almost unbreakable, but I have seen one that snapped but still didn't want to come apart into two pieces.  Wish I had taken pics of it at the time, but it was interesting to see.

Are they hard and stiff? I've also found Folklore razor tail quick af. One week in and it's not 100% gone but if I ride 5 more times this week the decks done in 2.

[Mbrimson88]

Are they hard and stiff? I've also found Folklore razor tail quick af. One week in and it's not 100% gone but if I ride 5 more times this week the decks done in 2.

I think any deck would wear down quickly in the tail if you are skating rough ground, crusty parks or spots, compared to slippery new park concrete, wood or metal ramps or something similar.

I have also seen a couple of guys I know who love those Powell Flight boards put something like glue or resin on the tail end that helps them last longer.  I am not a fan of this, even though I am really into messing with my setups and making things work just right or making things last longer, messing with the tail end is not something I want to get into.

[Mbrimson88]

Here are a couple of links that have names of woodshops in China, who supply to some of the biggest names in the skate industry.

https://www.listthe.com/skateboard

https://matchory.com/top-skateboard-manufacturing-companies

List includes:

HUIZHOU EXCEL SPORTING GOODS LTD

HUIZHOU CHOP CHOP WOODSHOP CO LTD (Dwindle)

ZHONGSHAN JEEPING WOODEN INDUSTRIAL


As was said earlier, when you see names like Crailtap or NHS we know all their stuff is made in China now, but names like Skate One (Powell) or Deluxe, it would seem it is only their cheap completes, or other goods that come from China, not their normal wood or their pro trucks or Spitfire wheels, etc.


I know this has been posted before, but having the links all in the one post is easier for me too:

https://sgbonline.com/dwindle-opens-chop-chop-wood-shop-in-china-for-skate-decks/