CURRENT WOODSHOP DIRECTORY 2021 + misc deck and board info, help, questions, etc

[Woodshop]

Adding this one here - more so for another shop board addition


Prolific - BBS

@FUBAR hell yeah for the Prolific board
 
8.25 shop deck (BBS wood)
Ventures
53mm Spitfires
Swiss
Jessup
Shortys 7/8 hardware

[Woodshop]

Sometimes other threads are an awesome read as well as very relevant to board information.


BBS Molds thread here:


https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=120188.0


Copied these I put up in the BBS thread, as they are also relative to the Woodshop thread as well.

Different concaves, as well as different shapes, molds and lengths of wheelbases.













The question of Dwindle decks came up, went looking and found this, so thought it should be posted here too:



Check out the Dwindle website for lots more info:

https://dwindle.com/


In particular the catalogs have all the relevant info, but I would do this on a computer, not a phone or small screen.

https://dwindle.com/catalogs


I also noticed in the most recent one they have "Full nose and tail" shown now, which might be a new thing, or might not.

Screen shot here, beside a normal board, also showing mellow concave option:

[MysticalTypeExperience]

Can someone suggest me some shapes that are:
8.5-8.75" (ideally 8.5) wide
32.3"+ long (looking for extra long decks)
14.1-14.375" wheelbase
Preferably BBS, Dwindle, South Central, or Pennswood

I think this Uma might be the ticket: https://www.uma-landsleds.com/products/uma-premature-permaculture-maite-deck-8-5

They say it's only 31.91" long, but Skate Warehouse says it's 32.61". It certainly looks long as fuck with tons of fingers of flat.

[Woodshop]

Can someone suggest me some shapes that are:
8.5-8.75" (ideally 8.5) wide
32.3"+ long (looking for extra long decks)
14.1-14.375" wheelbase
Preferably BBS, Dwindle, South Central, or Pennswood

I think this Uma might be the ticket: https://www.uma-landsleds.com/products/uma-premature-permaculture-maite-deck-8-5

They say it's only 31.91" long, but Skate Warehouse says it's 32.61". It certainly looks long as fuck with tons of fingers of flat.

I feel like those dimensions are about right for the good (semi squared off) boards that Alien Workshop and Habitat are putting out, being out of BBS and easy to get hold of.

Most of the bigger sizes are all the same length and wheelbase, at least in 8.5 and 8.75 I have seen, all 32.25 long with 14.25 wb.

A few passed through my hands on to someone else who was super keen on them, all looking super solid, long kicks, etc.


Around here they are often on sale too, which helps, but most shops that stock them have some discount from time to time as well.


Hope that helps.

[TwisT]

Anyone know what woodshop Arbor uses for their street decks?

To go back to this question. On their website they have an hour long documentary that may have some insight. I'm not watching it. Sometimes when they do factory shots, you can see other boards lying around and get a feel for it who it might be. The arbor site says the recycle and reclaim all wood waste, so I'd image you have be in the US or at least North America close enough to Arbor HQ.

this website says they use Sector 9, but this could be out of date judging by the website.
https://www.nordboards.com/arbor3.html

There's always the option to DM or email them.

[Woodshop]

This post in the random question thread is so good, I am going to add it here:

What are the best skate shops out there for searching decks by specific widths, lengths, and wheelbases? Right now I use Skate Warehouse, Tactics and OCD Skate Shop but there has to be more/better options out there.

Southside skate shop in Houston usually lists length. Zumiez is good for top pics if you're trying to  figure out the woodshop.

Some of the best ones are actually Japanese shops. Rf skate is my favourite, you have to use Google translate but it's easy enough to navigate. They take detailed pics and actually measure every deck (in cm so it's even more accurate) and lay the deck on top of a krooked board so you can see how flat or steep it is in comparison. Hell, they even measure concave. It's heaven for mentally ill gear nerds. There's a couple other sites that take similar pics but rf has a huge selection, updates it fairly often, and leave the old ones up for a while after they sell out so you can still use it for reference.

https://r-fskate.com/shopbrand/deck/

https://www.slamcity.com/

Great pics to help with shape choice as well.

SPoT
https://skateparkoftampa.com/spot/cz.aspx?ID=1

[Violator]

That Japanese shop's product photos help out a lot!  I wonder if there's a shop out there that measures the width over the front and back truck for shaped decks?  Any help out there would be greatly appreciated 

[WavyDavy]

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The only woodshop in Germany i know is egal skateboards.
https://egal-skateboards.de/

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Sweet!

I hadn't seen or heard of them at all, that I know of.


Wood looks pretty good too.

Ballroom skateboards from Frankfurt are made by esb woodshop
https://www.instagram.com/ballroom_skateboards/

[rawbertson.]

in the opening post you said Chapman is not making decks, but I am fairly certain that is where my local shop gets his decks done, and also Comacan Sakteboards in canada. i can confirm

[Woodshop]

That Japanese shop's product photos help out a lot!  I wonder if there's a shop out there that measures the width over the front and back truck for shaped decks?  Any help out there would be greatly appreciated 

The Conflict Skates shop site usually has a good range of boards, as well as that exact measurement info on all shaped boards.

They really do go above and beyond with that sort of thing, which is great.  Length, width, wheelbase, nose and tail, width over trucks, concave, etc.

I have even looked up specific boards they no longer have in stock and might not show on the web store, with the product name and shop name:


https://www.conflictskates.co.uk/cliche--101-jesus-skateboard-deck-98-x-319-gabriel-rodriguez--marc-mckee-19380-p.asp


https://www.conflictskates.co.uk/

[Woodshop]

in the opening post you said Chapman is not making decks, but I am fairly certain that is where my local shop gets his decks done, and also Comacan Sakteboards in canada. i can confirm

I guess the easiest way to help with that question is to take a couple of quotes from others, but pretty much the manufacturing woodshop side of things closed, sold the presses, then restarted a few years later just printing graphics on boards from other woodshops.

@Mbrimson88 unless anyone has intel specifically to the contrary, I think Chapman should be removed from the list or at least the brands should be asterisk'd. Their woodshop closed a couple years ago and AFAIK they have just been screening graphics on Clutch-pressed boards. I have handled a few recent "Chapman" blanks that were Clutch for sure.

Are they actually pressing their decks though or just distributing them? If it's the latter there's a good chance they're coming from China. It's a pretty common business model over here to import a mass of blanks, store them, and then print and apply heat transfers on demand. Dunno how common or feasible it is in Europe though. Chapman does it with clutch blanks but I would assume it's a lot cheaper and easier to import from China for euros.

[Violator]

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That Japanese shop's product photos help out a lot!  I wonder if there's a shop out there that measures the width over the front and back truck for shaped decks?  Any help out there would be greatly appreciated 

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The Conflict Skates shop site usually has a good range of boards, as well as that exact measurement info on all shaped boards.

They really do go above and beyond with that sort of thing, which is great.  Length, width, wheelbase, nose and tail, width over trucks, concave, etc.

I have even looked up specific boards they no longer have in stock and might not show on the web store, with the product name and shop name:


https://www.conflictskates.co.uk/cliche--101-jesus-skateboard-deck-98-x-319-gabriel-rodriguez--marc-mckee-19380-p.asp


https://www.conflictskates.co.uk/

this rules, Thanks so much!!!

[rocklobster]

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That Japanese shop's product photos help out a lot!  I wonder if there's a shop out there that measures the width over the front and back truck for shaped decks?  Any help out there would be greatly appreciated 

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The Conflict Skates shop site usually has a good range of boards, as well as that exact measurement info on all shaped boards.

They really do go above and beyond with that sort of thing, which is great.  Length, width, wheelbase, nose and tail, width over trucks, concave, etc.

I have even looked up specific boards they no longer have in stock and might not show on the web store, with the product name and shop name:


https://www.conflictskates.co.uk/cliche--101-jesus-skateboard-deck-98-x-319-gabriel-rodriguez--marc-mckee-19380-p.asp


https://www.conflictskates.co.uk/

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this rules, Thanks so much!!!

Not sure how much I trust a store that used Comic Sans MS as their font

[Mbrimson88]

I know some people had been asking about this for a while, but I thought I should do something to help (and it is a rainy day here today, so I have time).



How to...

Measure a skateboard deck (correctly)

So there have often been questions and very different measurements when it comes to skateboard deck dimensions, along with various forms or items to measure them, but I hope to help with the most simple and easy way to correctly measure your board, as per industry standards.

I have a flat metal square ruler, a standard tape measure, a soft tape measure and a tailors tape, for reference here, but the standard tape measure with the hook end is the best for an accurate measurement of length and width.

They all give the same measurements when used correctly on this Antihero eagle deck that is said to be 8.25 x 32 with 14.38 wheelbase, 6.8 nose and 6.6 tail. The one difference being these DLX 8.25 decks are often a touch wider, coming in around 8.3 or so.

The board length is often the most confused measurement, but decks should be measured from tip to tip straight across, not from the top ply layer (which will give a shorter length) and not with the concave (which will give a longer length) and most definitely not with graphic side up as that will give a super long measurement.

Note: One woodshop in particular always measured the length with the concave, so if you have a PS Stix deck it will often be shorter than listed, when compared to many other brands or other woodshop dimensions.

Width is again straight across from tip to tip, often the middle ply will sit out further than the top ply layer, but as boards can often taper, measure across in a few places, such as where the trucks are and the middle of the board too.

Wheelbase is measured from the middle of the deck bolt holes closest to each other, at each end of the board, usually anywhere from 14 to 15" but more commonly 14.25 to 14.5" apart.

Nose and tail are from the tip, same as the length in a straight line to the middle of the closest deck bolt holes, most commonly popsicle shaped decks having the nose around a quarter inch longer, but often twin boards will have the same length kicks, all up between 6.5" to 7" but quite a few are longer and many are shorter too.

[Woodshop]

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That Japanese shop's product photos help out a lot!  I wonder if there's a shop out there that measures the width over the front and back truck for shaped decks?  Any help out there would be greatly appreciated 

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The Conflict Skates shop site usually has a good range of boards, as well as that exact measurement info on all shaped boards.

They really do go above and beyond with that sort of thing, which is great.  Length, width, wheelbase, nose and tail, width over trucks, concave, etc.

I have even looked up specific boards they no longer have in stock and might not show on the web store, with the product name and shop name:


https://www.conflictskates.co.uk/cliche--101-jesus-skateboard-deck-98-x-319-gabriel-rodriguez--marc-mckee-19380-p.asp


https://www.conflictskates.co.uk/

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this rules, Thanks so much!!!

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Not sure how much I trust a store that used Comic Sans MS as their font

Ha yeah, sometimes there are simple things that just make you wonder, but I feel like every time I have checked something, especially boards I have had, they are maybe the most accurate in measurements I have seen online.

It might be an English thing.

Jolly good, old chap!

[Mbrimson88]

EUROPEAN WOODSHOP Thread has given me some more info


https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=120227.0

EU pals what up!

i’ve been working at a skateshop for the past couple months and we’ve been looking into making our shop boards for some time now. we’re hoping to get them in for spring/summer. i’ve been doing some research and here are the woodshops i found so far:

* Info below taken out of the post from Roba to make it easier to read *


https://www.mdcn-dist.net/ - based in hamburg, i know about one polish company that made boards there but i didn’t get to try them out

https://quarterdist.com/ - supposedly magenta made boards there for a while during covid? i skated a few magenta boards during that time period but i’m 99% sure all of them were bbs

https://hlcskateboardfactory.com/ - those are jart boards, they are pretty good but the minimum order is 50 decks which is a little steep

http://www.sk8boardfactory.com/ - this one is called crs, i know nothing about them, don’t know where they are located, what companies use their decks etc

http://cirus.hu/main - hungarian skateboard manufacturer, ben degros skated one of their decks and liked it but it wasn’t their regular maple board so i’m not too sure about them

https://instagram.com/berlinboardsbrewery?utm_medium=copy_link - this is a new manufacturer from berlin, i don’t know nothing about them as well

there are also two skateboard manufacturers in poland (locals, nibiru) but i’ve skated boards from both and they were kinda shitty. there’s also gnosis in the uk but because of brexit they might be too expensive for us.

is there anything else? do any of you have any experience with boards from the woodshops i listed here? please let me know guys



Then other posts with more info as well:

The first two are not woodshops. They import their decks from China and Print them in their Warehouse.
Mdcn sucks. Quater has been alright usually: very nice and stiff in the beginning, but they get soft in about three weeks or so. They don‘t break easily.

Inclu skateboards are a pretty special woodshop. They produce them at a workplace for disabled people, so you would be supporting a good cause. The wood is Ok. A little bit on the heavy side. They have very limited runs usually, so you have to get lucky to get some.
https://www.instagram.com/inclu_skateboards/

Quarter distribution do smaller runs. They do most of the boards of the small local brands in my area in Germany.

This guy does smaller runs as well. He prints on hlc and BBS wood (if he can get it). Site is in German but just contact the dude via email.
https://www.blag-skateshop.de/

These guys also do smaller runs. Made in Germany. Quality is alright. Boards are a bit heavy.

https://www.instagram.com/esb_woodshop/?hl=de

artprint europe.
ask for mike moreau

Found it:

https://www.artprinteurope.com
https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/artprinteurope/
France

https://www.artprinteurope.com/skateboard/printing-options/


https://www.artprinteurope.com/skateboard/manufacturing-process/

Manufacturing process
ArtPrint has selected with the greatest of care the best skateboard factory to print your custom skateboards. Our headline is “we don’t want to offer skateboard that we don’t want to skate ourselves”. We are particularly demanding about the construction quality and ask a lot on oneself so ArtPrint has scrupulously tested the main skateboard factories before choosing the one we’re working with since more than 7 years now. We have a very large choice of 25 different board references (same source and same construction) available in 3 different concaves (medium / medium-high / high). Our catalogue contains skateboard from 7’25 to 9’ and also a couple of old school shapes & cruisers to satisfy all your different requests. The construction of our skateboards is 100% north Canadian maple that comes from forest sustainably managed then pressed with epoxy glue for a better rigidity, sturdiness and top durability.

Each skateboard is made of 7 plies whose 3 of them are colored (top, 3rd, 6th) plus top engraving including size and serial number. All our custom skateboards are guaranteed against fault and delamination.

[El Freegano]

Artprint is just printing on decks (most likly chinese wood) but the they are quite ok. I had one deck from my hommies Vitosha Skateboards that use altprint. It was light, a bit flexy, but lastet quite some time and the shape was super good for my taste.
I know 3 brands using altprint.
1. Drawing boards (uk) - they have super good graphics https://www.instagram.com/drawingboards/
2. Vitosha Skateboards (bulgaria) - https://www.instagram.com/vitosha.skateboards/
3. Skylord (bulgaria)

[Woodshop]

Drawing Boards is an interesting one.

The Drawing Boards decks that were here in AU a while back were PS Stix, then something more like PGI or similar woodshop, very flat and very round in the kicks.  I wonder if that was the same for the UK version of their stuff, now printed through Artprint as you said, but I don't think Drawing Boards is still around in AU the way they used to be.


A few others I found recently to add / check:


Good Dudes - Dwindle

Cash Only - BBS / Generator

[burm]

I know some people had been asking about this for a while, but I thought I should do something to help (and it is a rainy day here today, so I have time).



How to...

Measure a skateboard deck (correctly)

So there have often been questions and very different measurements when it comes to skateboard deck dimensions, along with various forms or items to measure them, but I hope to help with the most simple and easy way to correctly measure your board, as per industry standards.

I have a flat metal square ruler, a standard tape measure, a soft tape measure and a tailors tape, for reference here, but the standard tape measure with the hook end is the best for an accurate measurement of length and width.

They all give the same measurements when used correctly on this Antihero eagle deck that is said to be 8.25 x 32 with 14.38 wheelbase, 6.8 nose and 6.6 tail. The one difference being these DLX 8.25 decks are often a touch wider, coming in around 8.3 or so.

The board length is often the most confused measurement, but decks should be measured from tip to tip straight across, not from the top ply layer (which will give a shorter length) and not with the concave (which will give a longer length) and most definitely not with graphic side up as that will give a super long measurement.

Note: One woodshop in particular always measured the length with the concave, so if you have a PS Stix deck it will often be shorter than listed, when compared to many other brands or other woodshop dimensions.

Width is again straight across from tip to tip, often the middle ply will sit out further than the top ply layer, but as boards can often taper, measure across in a few places, such as where the trucks are and the middle of the board too.

Wheelbase is measured from the middle of the deck bolt holes closest to each other, at each end of the board, usually anywhere from 14 to 15" but more commonly 14.25 to 14.5" apart.

Nose and tail are from the tip, same as the length in a straight line to the middle of the closest deck bolt holes, most commonly popsicle shaped decks having the nose around a quarter inch longer, but often twin boards will have the same length kicks, all up between 6.5" to 7" but quite a few are longer and many are shorter too.

Thank you for putting in time for the community, but I want to sanity check a couple of things here.

The board length is often the most confused measurement, but decks should be measured from tip to tip straight across, not from the top ply layer (which will give a shorter length) and not with the concave (which will give a longer length) and most definitely not with graphic side up as that will give a super long measurement.

I cannot picture what you mean by top ply layer and shortest length.
If you measure with the concave, you will get exactly the same measurement front the top side and the graphic (bottom) side, because that is the length of the actual material before bending and bending doesn't add length. If you measure straight across, your measure will be dependent on the curvature, so it would theoretically get longer as your board flattens out.

Width is again straight across from tip to tip, often the middle ply will sit out further than the top ply layer, but as boards can often taper, measure across in a few places, such as where the trucks are and the middle of the board too.

Same thing with width, if you don't measure with the concave your measure depends on the curvature. So for instance on DLX boards I-IV would each have a different width measurement.

So these things being said, I feel measuring the actual material is the only accurate measurement you can make, and that means measuring with the concave. I can accept everyone wanting to use the measurements you described, but I would not call that the "right way".

[Mbrimson88]

Thank you for putting in time for the community, but I want to sanity check a couple of things here.

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The board length is often the most confused measurement, but decks should be measured from tip to tip straight across, not from the top ply layer (which will give a shorter length) and not with the concave (which will give a longer length) and most definitely not with graphic side up as that will give a super long measurement.

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I cannot picture what you mean by top ply layer and shortest length.
If you measure with the concave, you will get exactly the same measurement front the top side and the graphic (bottom) side, because that is the length of the actual material before bending and bending doesn't add length. If you measure straight across, your measure will be dependent on the curvature, so it would theoretically get longer as your board flattens out.

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Width is again straight across from tip to tip, often the middle ply will sit out further than the top ply layer, but as boards can often taper, measure across in a few places, such as where the trucks are and the middle of the board too.

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Same thing with width, if you don't measure with the concave your measure depends on the curvature. So for instance on DLX boards I-IV would each have a different width measurement.

So these things being said, I feel measuring the actual material is the only accurate measurement you can make, and that means measuring with the concave. I can accept everyone wanting to use the measurements you described, but I would not call that the "right way".

I get what you are saying, so here goes for my attempt to untangle what I have said and explain it a bit better.


Just checking your point about the concave first, as the pressed blank goes through the cutting process, the designated shape is cut by the machine in a vertical motion, so this board is cut to 32" long regardless of whether or not it is 15 degrees or 23 degrees in kicks, same with the width, which is cut to 8.25 whether it is steep concave or mellow concave.

Hopefully this pic I just made of a board will help, which is based on the rounding of the ply (which is what I mean by the top ply layer giving a shorter length or width) as the top and bottom ply layers will have more taken off them than the middle layers.

I worded it as I did because of one person in particular who always uses a soft tape and in the close up pics has it from the top coloured ply point, as well as always saying boards are shorter than they say on the deck dimensions, which always makes me want to try to help him understand how he is doing it is giving him incorrect measurements.

Others like Ben deGros use the hook end of a hard tape and it measures how it should.


At the end of the day, people can measure boards how ever they like, but when I see some people have been listing boards in length up to 33+ for the DLX 8.25 x 32 because they have measured on the graphic side with the concave, it is a bit funny.

Measuring tip to tip straight across is 32" and measuring with the concave on the grip side of the deck is 32.25" using the top layer or 32.5" using the whole tip to tip method.


I know one guy said the best way to actually measure anything is lay it on its back up against something, with the other end point being the total length, same with width, which ends up being the same as the measured way in the pic below.






Edit: Adding this one too

[Mbrimson88]

Here is the close up pics with the different ways to measure:


The hard yellow tape straight across is 32" tip to tip.


The soft white tape with the concave is actually more like 32.5" from what I can see, but I seem to recall it was more like 32.25 on the green ply top layer of the deck, which was how the other guy was measuring his boards.


I know the quality of the pics is not too good, as they were just low res pics from my instagram post, but I hope they still show up well enough.

[burm]

Ok yeah so you’re right on all accounts. I wasn’t considering that the board is pressed first and then cut ”2 dimensionally”, obviously then the ”right way” to measure will be the same way that they used when cutting.

This would then mean, in theory at least, that a steeper board with the same measurements (tip-to-tip) would have more material i.e. weigh more.

[SlapMcKracken]

Similar decks to fa/ hockey 8 inch / 14 wheelbase ?

I ride venture highs v hollows and most people say they are best with short wheelbase; so I would like to try this.

Had an fa deck and it felt good, so I would like to try other 14 inch wheelbase boards. No idea if longer wheelbase would feel worse for me honestly.


Quasi, aws, Habitat, wknd, gx have a similar shape I was reading, but some are not as steep I heard.

What do you guys find best to ride with high ventures ?

Do you really feel a big difference from shorter wheelbase or steeper kicks to non steeper kicks?
Do you stick with always the same or is it no problem for you switch it up all the time?

[Woodshop]

Similar decks to fa/ hockey 8 inch / 14 wheelbase ?

I ride venture highs v hollows and most people say they are best with short wheelbase; so I would like to try this.

Had an fa deck and it felt good, so I would like to try other 14 inch wheelbase boards. No idea if longer wheelbase would feel worse for me honestly.


Quasi, aws, Habitat, wknd, gx have a similar shape I was reading, but some are not as steep I heard.

What do you guys find best to ride with high ventures ?

Do you really feel a big difference from shorter wheelbase or steeper kicks to non steeper kicks?
Do you stick with always the same or is it no problem for you switch it up all the time?

I know a couple of Venture dudes who still skate pretty much the same as what I skate on Indy, but overall having the same length board with a shorter wheelbase is said to pair better with Ventures.

He rides quite a few, but Dwindle boards work for him, as well as some of the BBS boards as mentioned, Alien Workshop / Habitat still being fairly squared off and normal concave, only slightly less than FA / Hockey.

Some of the DLX / Real Full SE shapes still have big squared off kicks with much the same length and a shorter wheelbase too, so that might be another one to check for.


Others I have not seen but heard are good with 14" wb include some Pennswood boards (but not all) so maybe check them out.  Lots of people in USA really like that wood.


This thread might help too:


https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=115825.240


The 14" wheelbase thread has a bit of everything but that last page has a few more options for 8" decks too.

[Mbrimson88]

This would then mean, in theory at least, that a steeper board with the same measurements (tip-to-tip) would have more material i.e. weigh more.

Yes I would think that is correct / would be the case.

The funny thing is if I flatten out some steeper boards, they have ever so slightly longer kicks, which is a good thing for me.


The overall cutting is uniform but the sanding is where the board can be taken down a bit less or a bit more depending on how keen the person doing it is, or how long they do each board, when they are there on those belt sanders going at it.

I guess with everything, we still have human interaction as the product is not completely automated, so there are always going to be some inconsistencies, but they sure do have it down to a fine art in the whole board making process for most places nowdays.

[SlapMcKracken]

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Similar decks to fa/ hockey 8 inch / 14 wheelbase ?

I ride venture highs v hollows and most people say they are best with short wheelbase; so I would like to try this.

Had an fa deck and it felt good, so I would like to try other 14 inch wheelbase boards. No idea if longer wheelbase would feel worse for me honestly.


Quasi, aws, Habitat, wknd, gx have a similar shape I was reading, but some are not as steep I heard.

What do you guys find best to ride with high ventures ?

Do you really feel a big difference from shorter wheelbase or steeper kicks to non steeper kicks?
Do you stick with always the same or is it no problem for you switch it up all the time?

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I know a couple of Venture dudes who still skate pretty much the same as what I skate on Indy, but overall having the same length board with a shorter wheelbase is said to pair better with Ventures.

He rides quite a few, but Dwindle boards work for him, as well as some of the BBS boards as mentioned, Alien Workshop / Habitat still being fairly squared off and normal concave, only slightly less than FA / Hockey.

Some of the DLX / Real Full SE shapes still have big squared off kicks with much the same length and a shorter wheelbase too, so that might be another one to check for.


Others I have not seen but heard are good with 14" wb include some Pennswood boards (but not all) so maybe check them out.  Lots of people in USA really like that wood.


This thread might help too:


https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=115825.240


The 14" wheelbase thread has a bit of everything but that last page has a few more options for 8" decks too.

Thanks. Will read the thread and probably try an AWS deck next and after that I’ll try one with longer wheelbase and see if I feel a difference. I still have a gx deck here but this one is an 8 with a 14.25 wb.

Really curious if I’ll feel a difference

[GBLange]

soo, if we were to follow how Prof.Schmitt do the DIY shapes using the Skate Create paper template,it is like actually measuring with the concave..right? since he draws the shape on the paper template and then cuts it.and trace it on the uncut blanks.

[Woodshop]

soo, if we were to follow how Prof.Schmitt do the DIY shapes using the Skate Create paper template,it is like actually measuring with the concave..right? since he draws the shape on the paper template and then cuts it.and trace it on the uncut blanks.

Ha yeah, depending on who you ask.

PS Stix boards are shorter than pretty much everything else of the same listed dimensions because he does measure with the concave, but as long as you know that, they are easy enough to convert to "measurements of everything else", for example, a few PS Stix boards that have 8.375 x 32.25 on them were actually more like 8.25 x 31.85 but they had a fair bit of taper to so might have been about 8.3 at the shoulder going down to 8.1 before the back bolts.


Comparing the DLX 8.25 x 32 to the PS Stix 8.375 x 32.25 board, the DLX board was both longer and wider, but mainly due to the taper in the PS Stix.

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look at these specs

https://freedometoskate.com/collections/store/products/mini-8-12

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What companies have similar dims and concaves to Crail? Are Baker kicks at all similar?