I gave up on this podcast a long time ago. And it was purely because of Chris Roberts. He is super clueless, he interjects after every sentence with "oh, yeah, wow, uh-huh", he interrupts interesting stories to talk about some lame shop sponsor that no one cares about(including the guest most times), and there is just no substance to his interviews.
Kelly is a goof, but likable. Rog always drops good knowledge.